Kingsnairaland:


Lie from now till eternity

The battle is not about JW and others

Your organization is of the devil so it holds no water

The battle is about...

Good vs evil

It not about organizations
It about God kingdom and devil kingdom

God is in the business of bringing people from the devil kingdom into his

Those in the kingdom of God can't not be taken away from God's hand

We fight the fight of faith
We don't fight JW

If we see any group or church saying what Bible did not say we condemn them with proves in the Bible

If your foundation is wrong God said the self Righteousness man will fail

Remove your mind thinking is organization fight that lie from who taught u

Bible said it light vs darkness
Jesus vs Satan
Truth vs lie
Believer vs un believer


God said he has many children scattered all over the world not only in an organizations

God said the world can't see the holy spirit in his children because his children are not of this world even though they are in the world


Every point I made I can show in Bible
So when you make your own point be ready to show it

Do you accept it about
Jesus kids vs Satan kids
It not about your organization that don't know Jesus

All MaxInDHouse and his brothers are fighting for is ORGANISATION

That's why they come up with topic such as "Which ORGANISATION is doing God's will today"

Jesus did not die for ORGANISATION, he died for mankind

So instead of bringing people to ORGANISATION, bring them to Christ for it is not ORGANISATION that died for sins.

achorladey:


Point of correction: Salvation of Jehovah's servants is NOT in the hands of any man. Bros, roger that........ Janosky

The image below says something about the above

That's why I said earlier that their publications argue for and against themselves

Kingsnairaland:
is it true that they believe that humans don't have a soul and spirit that they are Just like animals

Yeap...that's pretty much what they teach new members only

As new converts gets deep into it, they soon realise there is a special group of "little flock" who goes to heaven immediately they die, to rule with Christ in heaven.

But here is where the confusion lies:

Why teach humans have no life after death to new members but still teach teach "experienced" ones that some of their members mysteriously develop a "spirit" that goes to heaven immediately they die?

Count it as one of their CONFUSIONS

achorladey:


The reason the second baptismal question remains in association with Jehovah's organization

A popular commenter here will definitely come and tell us that Jehovah's organization aka WTBTS is synonymous or a synonym for Jehovah

achorladey:


Oh how I wish it is easy for them to completely isolate from politics but reality tells me members hold position in the civil service and many government agency scattered all over this country including law enforcement agencies. You bet in one way or the other they get involved in politics.

When minimum wage are fought, reality tells me they don't have to be at the forefront of the agitation(which are most times politics in nature) but they gladly accept the benefits that emanate from such agitations . Directly or indirectly they are involved in politics. Politics is not restricted to carrying voters card jare or be a card carrying member of a political party

Shebi MaxInDHouse say he's CIA agent, thesame agency that plays politics in the world stage

achorladey:


This dedication of a thing made me go back to what they do when a new Kingdom hall is BUILT.

Earlier on this thread the Op and his brothers were making a case against falseprophet words that member gets dedicated to the religious leaders and the organization by extension. Many of them countered saying no their dedication is to Jehovah.

So back to the kingdom hall, when a new Kingdom hall is built, it is dedicated to Jehovah. Later and in recent times what is dedicated to Jehovah is sold, to those they call Christendom (empire of false religion).

At what point are these kingdom halls undedicated by Jehovah in order to allow his representatives on earth to sell it to pastorpreneurs

Is this not a testament that these kingdom halls are dedicated in reality to men - their religious leaders after all the God who they dedicate it to don't dwell in man made houses or temples?

The dedication was never to God, both the building and members all are dedicated to the organisation.

Even their so called preaching work does not lead converts to Jesus, they lead them to the ORGANISATION

Kingsnairaland:
my goodness shocking am sad we need to pray for this people rather than condemn them this is a strong yoke to bear

How did God deliver you from this yoke maximunimpact

I broke one of their core rules: NEVER STUDY BIBLE WITH APOSTATES!

I studied with like minds outside the organisation which is abomination to them

MaxInDHouse:
It's time to compare what you have in mind to Jesus' line of thought (narrow path)

Did Jesus drink alcohol? According to God's law alcohoic beverages is not a sin so Jesus drank responsibly! Luke 7:31-35

Did Jesus participate in Politics? According to God's law only the Christ can bring a better life in God's Kingdom so Jesus avoided Politics! Luke 4:5-7; John 6:15

You guys will study the Bible with JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES whether you like it or not!

No more freedom of worship abi

Even without real power they want to force everyone to study with them....

Peaceful religious group indeed

Kingsnairaland:


maximunimpact from your experience tell me why do you think they hate Jesus and the holy spirit so much

The simple answer is CONTROL!

Governing body wants total control of how their members think, they went as far as claiming fruits of the Spirit such as prophecy, dreaming dreams, speaking in tongues, seeing vision, deserning etc have all "passed away" so no one will come up any divine message not approved by watchtower.

Holy spirit was given a back seat even though they pay lip service that they are guided by the spirit.

Even Jesus role as Head of the church have been taken over by the 8-men-crew who now "represent him" in supplying spiritual food to their subjects.

So in essence holy spirit and Jesus is a threat to their self appointed position as the only channel through which Jehovah communicate to mankind. They also took over as mediators between God and mankind which is why they demand "dedication" to the Governing Body as a requirement for salvation.

MaxInDHouse:
I really feel for you my friend!

Do you see anything more than all what is in your head now?

Politics! Politics!! Politics!!!

Is all that you can see now!

Classic hypocrisy of JWs as usual

They condemn politics but sweem inside alcohol

Ask them why they'll say alcohol is not a sin but somehow politics is a sin

Compared to alcohol I chose politics

OkCornel:


Woah, over a decade!

What happened?

I studied bible outside watch tower and saw things more clearly

OkCornel:


Were you a JW before?

Yeap, over 10yrs. I left 2018.

If you go through my post before 2018 you'll see how I defended JWs like MaxInDHouse is doing now

MaxInDHouse:
I said:



So can you go straight to your question now pertaining to the post you quoted and please try to be brief!

You have no authority to demand questions here Mr CIA agent

This is not kingdom hall where what i say here is not permitted in congregation meetings, here we lay the truth bare for everyone to see!

MaxInDHouse:
Satan's organization and her members!

Satan is the God of this system of things {2Corinthians 4:4} Jesus confirmed this {John 14:30} Apostle John attested to it {1John 5:19} so all politicians are bonafide and certified members of Satan's organization!

Satan knew very well that Jesus' mission will expose all his antics so after the death of Jesus' Apostles Satan quickly initiated many individuals who are claiming Christians but fully participating in Politics {Matthew 13:25} this people will claim they're for Jesus Christ but because they're under Satan's manipulations they will not see anything evil in killing their fellow believers due to Politics. John 8:44

Many may not be active in politics perhaps they're not connected or they are supporting the loosers but they'll be complaining bitterly and ready to support a revolution anytime the call is made. Of course they will hate members of God's Organization the most because they will be feeling that this people are part and parcel of the suffering millions under the bad government they want out of power but since the JWs are neutral completely this ones will develop special interest in what is keeping JWs behind from supporting their revolutionary moves!

But Satan is happy that all these people are been carried along with his murderous mission as they'll be killing one another at will for one reason or another {Revelations 6:3-4} that's why Jesus said members of Satan's organization are murderers like their father whose seed they are! John 8:44 compare to Genesis 3:15

So Jehovah's Witnesses Organization is the one and only group that's enlightened with this information that's why you will hate that Organization (not the members) because you feel that's where all the orders stopping this people from giving their support to what you seem is needful!

So we know you people truly love us from the bottom of your hearts but we are sorry there is a great chasm between us and you people {Luke 16:26} you people also have religious leaders but because your faith is not solid in the good news of God's Kingdom you are puzzled thinking "let's join hands in making a better future for our children, by removing the bad rulers, forget about this Governing Body and their empty promises of the end of the world. They have predicted it countless times and it has all failed"

But we know that it's not the Governing Body that promised us God's Kingdom, rather it's Jesus (God's only begotten son) so no matter how long it will take we will continue waiting patiently for God's Kingdom it may delay from man's viewpoint but it will not be too late!

"For the vision is yet for its appointed time, And it is rushing toward its end, and it will not lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it! For it will without fail come true. It will not be late!" Habakkuk 2:3

So nothing can make us give up on the promises of God found in God's word (Bible) we will never join in any revolution or protest against the worldly rulers, in God's own due time he will wipe them out and replace them with his righteous Kingdom {Daniel 2:44} by then righteousness will dwell throughout the earth! Isaiah 9:7


So if truthfully you believe in Jesus Christ i'm telling you now to keep enduring because we will soon reach the finishing line {Matthew 24:13} see you in Paradise! Luke 23:43

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

The floor is now open for questioning!

One characteristics of Satan's ORGANISATION is Lies!

John 8:44-45 (KJV): Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


Watchtower claims to be the only organization to find scriptural guidance yet condemns the Vatican for doing the same thing.

Watchtower is the only organization able to interpret the Bible:

“We all need help to understand the Bible, and we cannot find the Scriptural guidance we need outside the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ organization,'” (Watchtower, Feb. 15, 1981)

The Vatican is the only organization able to interpret the Bible:

“The Vatican belittles Bible study by claiming it is the only organization authorized and qualified to interpret the Bible,” (Watchtower, July 1, 1943, p. 201).

Claiming to be Jehovah's ORGANISATION is also a lie by JWs as can be seen from self-destruct quotes from Watch Tower!

Let's see another confirmation of the many lies from their own publication below:

“Jehovah God is the Grand Identifier of his true messengers. He identifies them by making the messages he delivers through them come true. Jehovah is also the Great Exposer of false messengers. How does he expose them? He frustrates their signs and predictions. In this way he shows that they are self-appointed prognosticators, whose messages really spring from their own false reasoning – yes, their own fleshly thinking!” (Watchtower, 1997 May 1, pg. 8 ).

They have predicted Armageddon so many times but Jehovah have always frustrated their signs and predictions which proves that their messages really spring from their own false reasoning – yes, their own fleshly thinking!

MaxInDHouse:
Today Satan's organization is the political system of this world so if you're part of this organization no matter your religion you will not see anything good in God's arrangement!

How to know the organization to which you belong between the two!

God's organization:
All members will dedicate their lives to God and his coming Kingdom so the political affairs of this world will not move them. John 15:19; 18:36

They will not support any racial dispute in the world because of their love for God and Christ this will help them to continue loving their fellow believers from all races! John 13:34-35

They will preach zealously and industriously teach their neighbours the good news of God's Kingdom (government) Matthew 10:11-13

They will not pursue any career that can affect their dedication to their God so they'll prefer a simple lifestyle! Matthew 6:25-34

Because of all these members of Satan's organization will hate them with passion. Of course individuals in Satan's organization don't really hate members of God's Organization, the problem is spiritual. They're feeling that members of God's Organization are wasting their life dedicating themselves to a course that seems worthless to them!

But who are members of Satan's organization?

To be continued.....

Yea! we already know the right ORGANISATION, thesame organisation that made the statement below

“Jehovah God is the Grand Identifier of his true messengers. He identifies them by making the messages he delivers through them come true. Jehovah is also the Great Exposer of false messengers. How does he expose them? He frustrates their signs and predictions. In this way he shows that they are self-appointed prognosticators, whose messages really spring from their own false reasoning – yes, their own fleshly thinking!” (Watchtower, 1997 May 1, pg. 8 ).

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MaxInDHouse:
Our ongoing topic is:

The two rival organizations fighting ever since the beginning of mankind's history!

Jehovah has foretold through the mouth of Jacob (Israel) that there is going to be a King that will rule over his people in righteousness and to this King many people throughout the earth will become obedient {Genesis 49:10} so throughout the history of God's people they were awaiting this righteous King. David whom most Israelites respected most also prophesied that this coming King is like his Lord and this coming King will sit beside Jehovah their God {Psalms 110:1} meaning David is not even this promised King.

Isaiah also foretold that this coming King will be a Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father and Prince of Peace concluding that his reign will never end! Isaiah 9:6-7

So fear fell upon all Israelites and the began wondering who could this King be?

Daniel said this King will destroy all the world's Government and his own government will last forever! Daniel 2:44

Again who could this King be?

Well in the first century a young Jewish virgin got pregnant before her husband could touch her and she gave birth to son whose name is "Jesus" in fact angels from heaven came down to announce his birth and Satan who knew the child's mission began alerting all his people under his own Organization!

The plan is how to make the mission of this coming King fail!

But who are those under Satan's organization and to what extent is their influence?

We'll discuss this in the next post.

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Romanoff:
In this present day and age.

Woke woman spoted

MaxInDHouse:
The original post stands gìdìgbà, there's nothing Cain can do to disrupt Abel's pure worship anymore! Genesis 4:2-8

MaxInDHouse:
OK you're here to teach people what is written in the magazines of an organization, shey?
More grease to your elbow Sir!

No sir!

We are now teaching from Jehovah's channel of communication to mankind

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MaxInDHouse:
The next topic on this thread is really really a controversial topic and i'm dedicating it to all friends of the TRUTH on Nairaland.
It's going to be a lengthy discussion and whoever feels like asking related questions is free to air his or her opinion.

In the Bible book of Genesis God spoke of two rival organizations that will continue striving and fighting throughout mankind's history. God said:

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Genesis 3:15

This revealed that Jehovah God Himself is the ONE responsible for the lasting enmity between the light {pure worship) and darkness (false religions)

Jesus also emphasized that he has come to do his father's work {John 4:34} along the line he made it clear that there is going to be enmity (division) in most Jewish homes between members of the same family. Matthew 10:34-39

Before Jesus' coming God's people are form just one nation (Jews) and Jesus himself confirm that only Jews were practicing pure worship until his arrival {John 4:20-22} but things will change from the moment his ministry begins and unlike before it wouldn't be a matter of geographical location that will determine God's people rather pure worship will be based on deep understanding (spirit) and God's word (truth) John 2:23-24

After Jesus' departure a war broke out within the Jewish community and all the religious sects in Jerusalem turned against Jesus' group {Act 4:18; 5:28} the Jews themselves began killing their own children and family members who joined Jesus' group! Act 7:54-60

But what is the secret behind these two perpetual enemies that God Himself said He is the cause of their lasting enmity?

Who are one God's side and Who are on Satan's side?

Well the next post will address this issue.
Once again you're welcome and may you have PEACE!

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MaxInDHouse:
OK you're here to teach people what is written in the magazines of an organization, shey?
More grease to your elbow Sir!

MaxInDHouse question time is over!

You had your chance to TEACH us the TRUTH but you were busy dodging and asking for evidence

Now its time we teach you THE TRUTH from your own Watch Tower and AWAKE SLEEP magazines

true2god:
These were the ‘Bible Truth’ then but, according to modern JWs, led by Rutherford, they are false teachers. That is to say all the founding fathers of watchtowers, including Jaze T Russel, were all false teachers or didn’t know the Bible Truth.

This is verse modern JWs have stopped quoting all together in order not to be exposed. Thank God that this verse is still in the Bible.

This is when their light becomes darker after drinking hard liquor inside the watchtower bar. Contradicting themselves and defending their lies with utmost zeal. For the fact that they can/will blame the Christendom by using the word ‘Christian school’ when addressing the issue whether Yeshua should be worshipped, instead of them admitted that THEY once teach that, shows how dishonest and criminal-minded the governing body is.

MaxInDHouse:
Good morning Precious, how are you and hope you're coping with the situation of things around the world today?
Let's hope for the best in Jesus name, Amen!

I just want to remind you that your friend Emusan has refused to present the evidence to back his accusations.
This is the last statement i got from him when i reminded him:



That's how heartless people often lie face to face against the innocent all because they hate his choice of religion! Matthew 5:11-12

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Mr publish evidence

This below is a crowdfunding website set up by governing body of Jehovah's witnesses to collect money

https://donate.jw.org/

Apart from the crowdfunding website, they have a record of how many hours all publishers (what they call those selling magazines in the street) spend daily, weekly and monthly to enable them (governing body) calculate how much each and everyone is selling.

I don't know which other evidence of a ponzi scheme you need us to publish

if the above is not enough let's see what watch tower have to say about who they really are:

“Jehovah God is the Grand Identifier of his true messengers. He identifies them by making the messages he delivers through them come true. Jehovah is also the Great Exposer of false messengers. How does he expose them? He frustrates their signs and predictions. In this way he shows that they are self-appointed prognosticators, whose messages really spring from their own false reasoning – yes, their own fleshly thinking!” (Watchtower, 1997 May 1, pg. 8 ).

Our next topic of discussion is finally out guys, Ignore any other discussion not started by me:

In one of their teachings that they used in proving Jesus is not God but Angel Michael the watch tower came up with the idea that Jesus is not to be worshipped, but are they really sure about what they say?

Let's see how watch tower argued for and against themselves below:

Is Jesus supposed to be worshipped or not?


Yes, Jesus is supposed to be worshipped:


“Question: The fact that our Lord received worship is claimed by some to be an evidence that while on earth he was God the Father disguised in a body of flesh and not really a man. Was he really worshiped, or is the translation faulty? Answer: Yes, we believe our Lord Jesus while on earth was really worshiped, and properly so . . . It was proper for our Lord to receive worship in view of his having been the only begotten of the Father, and his agent in the creation of all things, including man,” (Watchtower, July 15, 1898, p. 216).

“For example, to which one of the angels did he ever say: ‘You are my Son; today I have become your Father’? And again: ‘I shall be a Father to him, and he will be a Son to me’? But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: ‘And let all God’s angels worship him,'” (New Heavens and a New Earth, 1953, p. 27-28).

No, Jesus is not supposed to be worshipped:

“He taught men, not to worship him, but to worship Jehovah his Father . . . ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God,'” (Make Sure of All Things, p. 283).

“What I learned was so different from what I had heard at the “Christian” school I had attended. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not worship Jesus. Rather, they worship Almighty God, the One that Jesus himself worshipped,” (Awake, Dec. 22, 1987, p. 22).

If they are this confused about Jesus being worshipped how can they be right about who they claim Jesus is today?

The floor is open for discussion now guys....

Kingsnairaland:
15 And he said to them: “Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16 He that believes and is baptized will be saved, but he that does not believe will be condemned. 17 Furthermore, these signs will accompany those believing: By the use of my name they will expel demons, they will speak with tongues, 18 and with their hands they will pick up serpents, and if they drink anything deadly it will not hurt them at all. They will lay their hands upon sick persons, and these will become well.”
19 So, then, the Lord Jesus, after having spoken to them, was taken up to heaven and sat down at the right hand of God. 20 They, accordingly, went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and backed up the message through the accompanying signs....

The above is new world translation


Tell me the Bible they use
It in their Bible but they don't preach it because they don't believe Jesus

Our next topic of discussion is finally out guys, Ignore any other discussion not started by me:

In one of their teachings that they used in proving Jesus is not God but Angel Michael the watch tower came up with the idea that Jesus is not to be worshipped, but are they really sure about what they say?

Let's see how watch tower argued for and against themselves below:

Is Jesus supposed to be worshipped or not?


Yes, Jesus is supposed to be worshipped:


“Question: The fact that our Lord received worship is claimed by some to be an evidence that while on earth he was God the Father disguised in a body of flesh and not really a man. Was he really worshiped, or is the translation faulty? Answer: Yes, we believe our Lord Jesus while on earth was really worshiped, and properly so . . . It was proper for our Lord to receive worship in view of his having been the only begotten of the Father, and his agent in the creation of all things, including man,” (Watchtower, July 15, 1898, p. 216).

“For example, to which one of the angels did he ever say: ‘You are my Son; today I have become your Father’? And again: ‘I shall be a Father to him, and he will be a Son to me’? But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: ‘And let all God’s angels worship him,'” (New Heavens and a New Earth, 1953, p. 27-28).

No, Jesus is not supposed to be worshipped:

“He taught men, not to worship him, but to worship Jehovah his Father . . . ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God,'” (Make Sure of All Things, p. 283).

“What I learned was so different from what I had heard at the “Christian” school I had attended. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not worship Jesus. Rather, they worship Almighty God, the One that Jesus himself worshipped,” (Awake, Dec. 22, 1987, p. 22).

Kingsnairaland:


This is the sign of true believers

Mark 16:17

17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

19,, So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

20, And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Watch Tower amended their bible and edited the bolded out

NWT is the worst translation ever

A wack job done by translators who lack the qualifications to do so

Janosky:

Your God died for your sins.
John 3:16 & Romans 8:3, Jesus Christ & Paul says you no follow come.
Bros, you have agreed.

Matthew 27:46, who did your God beg to save his life?

John 17:2-7, Acts 15:14,17 Jesus belongs to the GROUP chosen by his God & Father.
Una see the Bros wey dey troll Jehovah's servants in public, you dey see the truth of Acts15:14,17 & John 17:2-7 in your Bible?
Matthew 4:10 & John 20:17, did Jesus Christ command you, maximumimpact to worship him?

Point of correction: Salvation of Jehovah's servants is NOT in the hands of any man.
Bros, roger that.


That Bible in your shelf was written by men who spoke from both sides of the mouth.

Bros, is your eyes and heart open to admit that Matthew 26:31-35 is the very same accusations you made against JWs?

1 Samuel 16:6-7 , prophet Samuel prophecied from both sides of his mouth.
Bros, Roger that.


Matthew 26:31-35 We have confirmed it must be tough for you , Maximum impact putting up your own salvation in the hands of men, Bible writers who spoke from both sides of the mouth against Jesus Christ.

OkCornel:


Do I look like a Jehovah Witness to you?

my apologies, am glad you're not

OkCornel:


Bring out the lies

Back up accusations with persuasive evidence.

Patiently waiting.

Publish evidence gang

Someone who smuggles magazines filled with lies what is that person called

take for example the lie below from watch tower:

The sower in the Matthew 13 parable is Satan or Jesus?

Let's see what Watct tower have to say below:

Claim one: The sower of the mustard seed is Satan

“It is the fake ‘kingdom of the heavens,’ the counterfeit, namely, Christendom, that is filled with these symbolic birds, ‘the sons of the wicked one.’ Today it is big enough to hold them all. In the parable, the ‘man’ that sowed the mustard grain pictures the ‘wicked one,’ Satan the Devil. Outstandingly in the fourth century C.E. Satan the Devil planted or specially cultivated this symbolic ‘mustard grain’ of contaminated, adulterated, imitation Christianity,” (Man’s Salvation Out Of World Distress, 1975, p. 208).


Claim two: The sower of the mustard seed is Jesus


“In the days of Jesus Christ and his apostles, the nation of Israel was just as apostate as in the days of Jeremiah and Hosea. In fact, it was the generation of Israel that brought about the death of Jesus the Messiah and that persecuted his apostles and first-century disciples. Such Israelites especially were the ones to whom Jesus, as well as Isaiah, referred as having their eyes plastered shut, their ears unresponsive, and their hearts unreceptive so that there was no spiritual healing for them. (Isa. 6:9, 10; Matt. 13:13-15; Acts 28:24-28) Hence that apostate generation suffered national calamity in 70 C.E. So, now, does anyone ask the question, How could Jesus as the Sower of the parable plant the symbolic mustard grain and yet have it become a tree of a foreign kind, the corrupt counterfeit called Christendom? The experience of Jehovah God with the ancient nation of Israel gives the divine answer to such a questioner!” (Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1975, p. 600).

OkCornel:


You are a shameless liar.

What of these ones without question mark.

Why do you lie so shamelessly?

Cc: MaxinDHouse, Janosky

Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

You have probably lied more times today than the entire lies of the person you are accusing