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You still don't get it.

I didn't say God didn't send His prophets to other peoples but after the Israelites settled down in the promised land as descendants of Jacob God never called any prophet from another nation.

Just mention another prophet after Israelites settled in the land of Canaan because that is what God promised the descendants of Jacob:

"Now if you will strictly obey my voice and keep my covenant, you will certainly become my special property out of all peoples, for the whole earth belongs to me. You will become to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you are to say to the Israelites.” Exodus 19:5

From that very moment no prophet was raised from any other nation except Israel. So that guy from Saudi Arabia is fake!

JimRohn:
Your claim is incorrect — the Bible itself records prophets and God-sent messages to non-Israelite peoples after Abraham. Saying God only called prophets from Jacob’s line ignores plain Scripture. Here’s the proof, succinct and clear:

1. Jonah was sent to Nineveh (Assyria).
God commanded Jonah to warn a major Gentile city; the people repented and were spared. (Jonah 3:1–5). That is an explicit, post-Abraham instance of a prophet sent outside Israel.

2. Elijah ministered to a non-Israelite widow in Zarephath (Sidon).
God sent Elijah to provide for and raise the widow’s son (1 Kings 17:8–24). Jesus cites this event to show prophets were sent beyond Israel (Luke 4:25–27).

3. Elisha’s miracle for Naaman the Aramean.
A foreign commander received cleansing and healing through Israel’s prophet (2 Kings 5). God used an Israelite prophet to bless a Gentile — again, not confined to Israel.

4. Balaam — a non-Israelite who spoke by God’s revelation.
Balaam (a Gentile diviner) was addressed and constrained by God, and he delivered God’s message (Numbers 22–24). This demonstrates God can speak through and to non-Israelite figures.

5. New Testament confirmation — God shows no partiality.
Peter’s vision and Cornelius’ conversion demonstrate God accepts worshippers from every nation (Acts 10:34–35). The early Church recognized the prophetic work reaching Gentiles.

6. The prophetic purpose was always universal.
God chose Abraham so “all peoples on earth will be blessed through you” (Genesis 12:3). Isaiah likewise speaks of a light to the nations (Isaiah 49:6). The biblical storyline points beyond one tribe.

Conclusion (clear and simple):
Your rule — “after Abraham no prophet was called outside Israel” — is contradicted by multiple biblical examples. If Scripture itself shows God sending messengers to non-Israelite peoples, then the idea that God’s revelation is limited by ethnicity is unsustainable. God’s mercy and guidance repeatedly cross national and ethnic boundaries in the Bible — which is precisely the pattern that Muhammad ﷺ follows as a prophet summoned to bring people back to the One God.

I'm still wondering what exactly are the rules of banning posts now on Nairaland.
Here is the post just banned.

sonmvayina:
The breath that God breath to man that is the same image and likeness as God is called?

You try jàre!

DoctorStanley:
So you don't believe one who can restore life with mere words can also take away life with mere words? Cherub doesn't mean warriors neither is their job fighting wars. Do you think the rapture will be carried out by an army? It will occur at the words of Christ, so also will the dead rise. No armies needed!

So you think it's just about talking that will raise the dead?
Ọmọ angels will be around taking orders from Jesus.

AngelahFlo:
If that's your opinion, I'll only try to make it plain to you but I'll just let you know this. The people who'll rule with Jesus in the millemial reign will be saints and that your group and others who qualify to reign with Jesus when that time comes. Thanks for your time and be at peace.

No single none Jehovah's Witnesses can go to heaven if you care to understand i will be willing to explain but if not i'm OK!

Julia25:
So according to you, God made the first born then the "first born" made the rest? Is this right? ⁽¹⁾ The scripture is clear, Jesus, the word of God, made all things so, is he still a creature? ⁽²⁾ According to you.

Is the firstborn of your family your father or he was born like the rest of his siblings?

That word FIRSTBORN says it all!

Julia25:
We don't know how Jesus had two natures, Divine and temporal, at the same time but we do know he exhibited both.

Jesus doesn't have two natures he is a perfect son of God who always does what pleases his father {John 8:29} so whatever he asks is granted immediately, if Adam did not rebel against his father the same will be the case with him.
God promised us the same thing when we finally become perfect and always doing His will whatever we ask will be granted instantly just as Jesus is having it:

Even before they call out, I will answer; While they are yet speaking, I will hear. Isaiah 65:24

We are supposed to enjoy the same kind of blessing if we are not born sinners! Romans 3:23

So Jesus was an angel in heaven before God transformed him into an embryo in Mary's womb therefore when he was on earth he is 100% human! 1John 4:2

Julia25:
Now, apply this logic to the phrase "firstborn of creation" given other biblical verses that suggest his primordial nature .
If you didn't expatiate like this, providing "context", then anyone can use what I said as a rebuttal. Now add the necessary context taking other biblical verses about him into account—Jesus.

Remember that God's word was written to mankind like a letter.

So each word carried similar meaning to what is peculiar to humans.

The word "FIRSTBORN" means one of the children but specifically the first child. So if all creations is from God's making then the firstborn of all creations is also from God's making!

Please be specific with your questions!

Julia25:
Christ is the Head of all principalities.

This was his position as the archangel but after the rebellion in heaven he is no longer in control of all the angels that's why he later fought against Satan who is in control of rebellious angels! Revelations 12:7

I'm different from your friends here so if you want to discuss with me you have to pick the points one after another not putting everything together and expecting a straightforward response.

All of them knows me very well!

So what is your next question?

It's not easy to identify an apostate or a group of apostates.

Regarding apostates Jesus said:

“Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Every tree not producing fine fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men" Matthew 7:15-20

This means that Jesus as the sower of fine seeds {Matthew 13:37} planet what will yield good fruit so if those claiming his followers are still connected to him they will unitedly produce fine fruit because they are all branches attached to one tree but if they are apostates it means they are not connected to the good tree therefore they can't produce the good fruit! John 15:4-6

The next thing you need to know is what is the FRUIT that true Christianity should produce?

Remember it's not an individual thing otherwise that would make an Atheist, Agnostic, Buddhist, Hindu, Traditionalist, Muslim and Freethinker can also produce it because there are nice people in all these schools of thought.

The FRUIT must be produced by a group having the same line of thought {John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10; 1Peter 3:8} as imperfect humans with sinful traits they unitedly produced this fine fruit because Jesus is directing them! Matthew 18:20

Julia25:
what about the spirit of God? is he also a creature?
Jesus is the "first of all creatures" as in preeminence, i can also say that Jesus is the head of all principalities and then according to your logic conclude that He is the one dishing orders for Devil and Cos to be doing evil . Do you see how misleading this is?

This is the problem with false religionists!
Instead of asking what i meant you started putting your own meaning into my post and accusing me at the same time!
Ọmọ what i mean is that Jesus is the first son as in creature God made so he as the first born knew a lot about our heavenly Father than anyone else.
And as regards being the commander of all the angels that's what orderliness means but Satan and his likes decided to rebel against God's arrangement that's why they formed their own group and Satan became their leader!

There is contradictions everywhere and no two churches fully agree on this your Trinity stuff that's why you are ashamed of mentioning the name of your church because you know there is nothing like understanding among those claiming born again.

WapMinistry:
STOP CLAIMING SUPERIORITY of your Church Denomination / Teachings over Other Church Denominations / Teachings.
The General Overseer (Presiding Minister) of your church denomination / teachings was once a member of another church denomination / teachings that groomed him or her in Christianity!!!

The truth is that what i said is practiced in my own place of worship among Jehovah's Witnesses that's why i could expatiate because i fully understood how to apply Jesus' teachings regarding worldly riches since that's what we believe and practice in my religion!

Fiscus105:
As I said, give your Bible to someone who knows how to read and interpret correctly, here is extended version of the message, I extended it backward a little and not in full, if you ready to learn, you can marry the verses 16A (wen the 3 men) to verse 20A ( the Lord says).

The meaning, Adeboye would be talking to his congregants, and he would say, THE LORD SAYS..............


Meanwhile, even if it's like that, Bible often written in "ANTHROPORMISM." That's, in a way for humans being to understand better, it was written as if, God behaving like humans, just for us to have deep understanding, and that's not how it's in reality.

You haven't quote where the Bible said it's an angel that's speaking in those verses!

MindHacker9009:
The Most High has said: “I will put My Torah within them and on their heart I will write it” (Jeremiah 31:33).

The Torah books we have today is the corrupted Torah written by men and not the Original Torah. Only the Torah The Most High have put within us and written on our heart is The Original Torah .

OK i'm waiting for this god to write what you are talking about in the hearts of people as you wish!

RevenuesBoost:
God Bless you too 🙏

The Jews till today respect and abide by the law of Moses (Judaism) and saw Jesus as a blasphemer, they said he spoke against the law of Moses and deserved a death penalty.
That's why they ganged up to crucify him.

This Birthed Christianity.

The Jewish nation is political from time immemorial but the true God is not political that's how they lost the glory! Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38

PCHC:
This is not just my opinion, but the wisdom of God: — You should seek and identify God's Voice and Spirit more than you should identify them by their fruits.

Guy there is a FRUIT God's Organization should produce.
This fruit has nine qualities: LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, KINDNESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL! Galatians 5:22-23

No imperfect human can have all these qualities but when talking about the gathering of imperfect humans where God's Holy Spirit is in control imperfect humans will exhibit these qualities as one group! John 17:22

Ọmọ you never know anything but since you feel you know i will leave you alone if you want me to go!

Jesus taught his disciples never to raise weapons against anyone! Matthew 26:52

Jesus said his disciples must have love among themselves. John 13:34-35

Jesus prayed for his disciples to have the same line of thought! John 17:22

Can you please mention any church that has all these apart from Jehovah's Witnesses?

PCHC:
The recovering of the Church is not the interpretation of the Bible reference you made of Revelation 11:7-10.

The Lord Jesus did not return in year 1914. Charles Russell was a liar and a false prophet.

Neither God nor the Lord Jesus founded the organisation of Taze Charles Russell, known as Jehovah's Witnesses. The Lord Jesus is not coming to find or be part of one group or denomination: rather He is coming or returning to take over all, including taking over all the churches and taking over all the world and taking over all kingdoms.

The returning of the Lord Jesus Christ will not be as an "Invisible King" or "Invisible Entity" you were falsely taught. Rather all eyes shall see Him when He returns, including the eyes of those that pierced Him. So, cease from this errors of He had returned as Invisible King in 1914.

Yes, the Lord Jesus is with us as the Spirit of God and Invisible God with us. But the return or coming of the Lord is Physical or Visible, just as His ascension on Mount Olives was Visible and Physical with Flesh.

The second Coming or Return of the Lord Jesus Christ would not be needing "Witnesses" to spread Him as "Eyewitnesses" or "Jehovah's Witnesses." The fact you call yourselves "Witnesses" or "Jehovah's witnesses" while testifying that the Lord Jesus has returned, shows you people are false witnesses.

If He truly returned or came, then all witnesses announcing He returned are false because He will come as the Sun rises and be seen by all. If you alone saw the sun rise, but witnessing to me that the sun has risen while I cannot see the sun with my seeing eyes, the fact you have to suffer to witness or convince people that sun has risen shows you are false or ignorant, because everyone by default would see the sun or light of the sun if it rose.

The Lord Jesus puts it this way, warning against witnesses announcing His has returned:

[Matthew 24:23-27] — "At that time, if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There He is!’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive even the elect, if that were possible. See, I have told you in advance. So if they tell you, ‘There He is, in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Here He is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man."

PCHC:
There was no age or era after the Lord Jesus Christ that true Christianity lost shape or died. Even though the number or population of the true Christians became fewer in some of these ages, true Christians were never lacked in any of the ages. Christians are the Salt of the Earth or Ages since then.

Yes, there were era when persecution and killing of Christians trended most, but yet Christians also thrived in those ages.

Wrong to credit the freedom of expression of Christianity to America or American Declaration. True Freedom and Liberty are from the LORD God and His Spirit in all ages, irrespective of state persecutions. Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty and there is Utterances (freedom of speech). It is not American Declaration, but the Declaration (Utterance) and Presence of the Spirit of the Lord.

Please interpret what Jesus meant in this verses:

When they have finished their witnessing, the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss will wage war with them and conquer them and kill them. And their corpses will be on the main street of the great city that is in a spiritual sense called Sodʹom and Egypt, where their Lord was also executed on the stake. And those of the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will look at their corpses for three and a half days, and they do not allow their corpses to be laid in a tomb. And those dwelling on the earth rejoice over them and celebrate, and they will send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those dwelling on the earth. Revelation 11:7-10

I'm quoting Jesus someone is quoting Ai on a matter having to do with preaching that Jesus who is God's Son commanded yet he claims he's doing this for Jesus not for Ai!

achorladey:
Simple question,long explanation.
These are instructions given regarding how they go about preaching not the meaning of preaching
These are instructions given on how to preach to people in their homes. Are they instructions given to those you meet on public forum like Nairaland?
Will you readily have me accept I need to adopt instructions that has nothing to do with Nairaland as what preaching means and how to go about it?
Send out is different from what preaching means.
By their fruits you shall know them. This is one of your many threads below and how you start them......
The above is the beginning of many of your threads here you use for preaching. Na so many plenty talk empty actions.
Interesting now see the below.....
From Peacecore........
Achorladey responded.......
Is Achorladey countering or preaching here?

This is a DISCUSSION not PREACHING.

Each commentator is expressing himself or herself regarding the topic.

To preach you must have a message with a theme if you are doing it for Jesus.

He commissioned preaching and gave his disciples the theme of their message:

"As you go, preach, saying: ‘The Kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.'" Matthew 10:7

Because that's the theme of his message and that of John the baptist! Matthew 3:2; 4:17

So if you are not against Jesus Christ you can't start doing your own thing your own way then claim you are preaching for Jesus!

achorladey:
Alright, are you the custodian of what preaching means on Nairaland that I need to accept your imposition of your definition regarding what it means to preach on Nairaland? You care to explain further

How did Jesus send his disciples out to PREACH?

Let's open our Bible to Luke 10:1-6

After these things the Lord designated 70 others and sent them out by twos ahead of him into every city and place where he himself was to go. Then he said to them: “Yes, the harvest is great, but the workers are few. Therefore, beg the Master of the harvest to send out workers into his harvest. Go! Look! I am sending you out as lambs in among wolves. Do not carry a money bag or a food pouch or sandals, and do not greet anyone along the road.  Wherever you enter into a house, say first: ‘May this house have peace.’  And if a friend of peace is there, your peace will rest upon him. But if there is not, it will return to you.

This is how Jesus commissioned the work of PREACHING so you have to greet the householder, introduce yourself and tell him the message you have for him. Not that you go about waiting for others to express their beliefs then countering it claiming you are preaching.

For your information the word PREACH is equivalent of PLEAD so how can you be countering someone's message claiming you are PLEADING?

achorladey:
I preach with my comment. I don't need a thread to preach. Is the message or my words not clear enough that I need to forcefully accept your imposition of a thread on me to preach on Nairaland. I still don't understand. Please explain exhaustively.

Definitely you don't know the meaning of that word "PREACH" going about to counter what people believe is NOT PREACHING.
You approach individuals respectfully to introduce yourself and the message you have for the person but countering people's comments is ARGUING.

Get that straight!

achorladey:
That's why you ran away from all of the below.....
My no thread creation giving you headache no go end today. I preach with my comment, I don't need to create a thread. Do you want to impose creating threads on me.

If you never create a thread here where you can easily do it for more than one decade definitely you don't preach outside.

Simple!

achorladey:
and yet restlessness won't stop you from calling me Antichrist.
Make me understand abi na undersit or understood down.

Antichrist means supporting disorder in the name of Jesus who is the chief agent of orderliness!

achorladey:
Yes, will it advance more antichrist name calling on me or stop it?

Highlighted is where you committed the suicide because if you do there is no way you can be on Nairaland for more ten good years without dropping a single thread about your message.

Jesus said:

Offspring of vipers, how can you speak good things when you are wicked? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. The good man out of his good treasure sends out good things, whereas the wicked man out of his wicked treasure sends out wicked things. Matthew 12:34-35

How come for eleven years you never drop a single thread on Nairaland if truly you have Good News to share?

achorladey:
Since you say so and like projecting lies and all sorts of names on others.

Have you ever preached on a housetop?

achorladey:
Diversion over wetin? That public preaching is noisemaking or wetin I don't understand.

Everyone knows noisemaking is disorder so you're yarning off point!

achorladey:
You didn't say public preaching is unchristian and Achorladey didn't tell you preaching publicly is unchristian

So what else are you dragging nah?

Paul was talking about the love Jesus preached which is LOVE for God and for neighbors {Mark 12:30-31} in this type of love you must be studious in order to know what God specifically requires of all humans.
You must know why God loves some and hate others so that you may keep your feet on the part of righteousness! Matthew 7:13-14
Next thing you need to be humble {Zephaniah 2:2-3} and view all your fellow worshipers superior to you {Philippians 2:3; Matthew 23:11} under Christ Jesus as all of you submit to the same line of thought! 1Corinthans 1:10; John 17:22

I will tell you the first out of these but the rest you must welcome true Christians to learn from my brothers.

There is an ongoing war between the forces of light and the forces of darkness {2Corinthians 6:14} God is the father of Light so he made Jesus the leader of the forces of light while Satan is the king of darkness.
Whoever disowns himself and humbly submit to Christ's kingship will be loved by our heavenly Father but all politicians are under Satan the king of darkness so it's impossible for any politician to have the type of love Jesus preached because politicians always want to rule their world and that's what Satan also wants that's why they are all his children!

achorladey:
Diversion that you speak from both side of your mouth.
No be today you dey lie on top your religion and their beliefs. That one na old story yesterday newspapers

Diversion still!

achorladey:
Too many for your lies and manipulations peddling to cover up.
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