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Emusan:
Jesus has come. Jesus has began to rule.
These are the fact you can't deny based on Watchtower. So, why has disciples of Jesus still dying when they are not supposed to die when Jesus will come and begin to rule as you claimed earlier?
Is the question you haven't answered.
Until then you'll be given tutorial on that.

Surely you don't want the truth!

TenQ:
Of course, by their fruit yesterday shall know them
Let me teach you what Jesus taught us about swearing
Mat 5:34-37:
"But I say to you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shall you swear by your head, because you can not make one hair white or black. But let your communication be, Yes, yes; No, no: for whatever is more than these comes of evil."
But you come to me swearing by the name of your God , Allah!?
FYI:
"Walahi talahi" mean "By Allah, by Allah" or "I swear by Allah"
You have just expressed the kind of fruit the tree of your life can bring forth!
Shame!

Walahi talahi you deserve an award as a Comedian!

TenQ:
Can't you answer simple question?

Which country on this planet have you heard that there is war, terror or violence and it is said that Jehovah's Witnesses are behind it?

TenQ:
Shame on you!
And you call yourself a former Muslim?
Just as you swallowed Taqqiya you are regurgitating it out to people who you think are less informed. Muslim does not mean Believers sir. I wonder where you learnt that. The word Islam literally means “surrender” and Muslims are those who practice Islam. Thus, Muslims are people who have Surrendered and (not even submission) to the will of Allah. So you see why even you acknowledge that you JWs are Muslims! LOL!!
Quran 5:111
"Bear witness that we have surrendered (unto Thee), we are Muslims."

You don't even understand the meaning of that word "BELIEVER"

Well the word believe means trust and to trust in someone connotes submitting to what such a person says.

For your information all the faithful ones in the Bible SUBMITTED or SURRENDER to the will of God!

TenQ:
You fit all like a glove!
Wolves, Tare, Goats = JWs

Walahi talahi you've proved what you are today.
Thanks for coming out plainly!

TenQ:
Are you more violent than Muslims? Yes or No!?

Ask the whole world that question and get the reward of hypocrisy let everyone know who you are on the inside! Luke 6:45

TenQ:
Only difference,
Muslims incorporate violence
JW are less violent

Beg God to forgive you and repent, ọmọ repent before it's too late.

"Did you say JWs are less violent" shey?

Well this is what others have observed:

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

TenQ:
You are not even close to my challenge to anyone who is of Christ Jesus
Because
Your fruit has shown that you are the Wolves in Sheep Skin
The Tare within the Wheat
And the Goats amongst the Sheep!

Sorry!

Wolves, Tare, Goats yet three different persons looked critically at this group and said:

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Thank God it's all happening life on this forum!

TenQ:
Why do you tell lies about what I didn't say?
Its the same spirit of Taqqiya as Muslims!
To Maximus
Muslim=Believer
SMH!

Ọmọ the word "Muslims" means Believers.
So Jehovah's Witnesses are PEACEFUL believers!

Emusan:
Shifting here and there won't solve your problem. You're the one who quoted Matt 6:9-10
Which is boldly written as "Pray like this: Our Father in heaven, may your name be kept holy. May your Kingdom come soon. May your will be done on earth, as it is in heaven. - Matt 6:9-10
According to this scripture has the WILL OF GOD BE DONE IN HEAVEN?
A good student of English knows the answer is YES! Jesus has come and began to rule this negates your earlier statement of no disciples of Jesus Christ will die once Jesus comes and began to rule. This is part of what OP was saying.

If you answer this question it will solve the puzzle:

Maximus692:
Please when did Michael send Satan and his demons out of heaven, before or after Jesus' ministry?

So answer the question!

TenQ:
To me,
JWs averagely are peaceful Muslims without the Mohammed!

Wow!
Jehovah's Witnesses are peaceful believers!

TenQ:
Orangutans could chestbeat all they want, the important thing if they claim to be Born Again
1. Are they of the Truth
2. Are they of Christ Jesus and not of any Angel
3. Are they consistent in TRUE knowledge of God
4. Are they consistent in Love to God and to man
5. Are they consistent to Serving God with all
6. Are they consistent with preaching the Gospel to All
7. Are they consistent with a life of Purity consistent

Unfortunately , here you are feigning a form of godliness but denying the power thereof.

2Tim 3:5:
"Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."


Jesus warned us of your kind
Mat 13:25-26:
"But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also."


Mat 7:15-19:
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that brings not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire."

So,
Feigning righteousness doesn't make you known of Christ.

Have a nice day!

So those three posts are chest beating by Jehovah's Witnesses shey?

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Ọmọ repent and stop hating the truth whom God has blessed no man can curse! Isaiah 5:20

Emusan:
If you've answered I won't be asking you again. Does this ruling extend to earth or not?
This is the question you're turning a blind eyes
Okay.
It's not NOW. It means you don't understand the scripture you're quoting.
Look at the @color-red it says "AS IT IS" if English comprehension isn't your problem you should know that "The Will of God" already in place in heaven as Jesus was talking, if not Jesus won't use such words.
Meaning of the phrase "As it is":
1. "As it is" (or "as is" )
Present Condition:
This phrase refers to something in its current state or condition.
Example: "Leave the car as it is." (meaning don't fix it or modify it).

Please when did Michael send Satan and his demons out of heaven, before or after Jesus' ministry?

jmichael259:
The conversation has ended long before you arrived. You can keep quoting a million times, there'll be no further reply for distractions, conversation stoppers and time wasters such as You. You're quoting the wrong person. Like I said, not a single care do I have for gargantuan gaga.

He is ready to continue quoting you and insulting you yet claiming you are arguing with apostates!

where is the love and in which of your churches?

achorladey:
We are taught to tell others that since sect is part of the things of the flesh, then all other religious organization seen as sectarian are fleshy in their set up.

Surely you don't know what that word SECT means so for the sake of other i will throw more light.

Sectarianism is claiming you worship the same God, sing the same songs, pray as if to the same god yet segregating among yourselves.

Jehovah's Witnesses are not worshiping the same God with anyone who is not a JW but ask Deeperlifers, RCCG, CAC, MFM, Foursquare, Apostolic, Winner, Cele, C&S Catholic, Anglican, Methodists and so on all these religions believe they are all worshipers of the same God yet they quarrel with whoever cross to another brand.

That's Sectarianism for you but when we don't pray with you, even though in any gathering we separate ourselves that is clear that we are not worshiping your God so we are no SECT but separate religion entirely!

MightySparrow:
I didn't have any for any Armageddon. It is not a cardinal topic among pentecostals. You have the fear and tie people down with fear of Armageddon. My own Bible tells me everything will be going on well as the days of Noah. So I don't fear of your Armageddon.

Old man deceiving himself!

It's like asking whether Amadioha will kill you and leave it's worshipers yet claiming you're not scared.

Emusan:
Does that mean JESUS RULING IN HEAVEN is different from JESUS SECOND COMING?
Does Jesus ruling in heaven not extend to the earth now?

According to Revelations 12:7-12 Jesus' reign which began in heaven means woe for the earth but he will later extent his rulership to the earth.
I believe it's not difficult to understand if you sincerely pay attention to that account!

Sand2022:
And the JWs took the worse divisive path by forming a sect within Christianity and severe association with other members of the body of Christ. That is apostasy.

You may join them nah as for God's true organization we are no part of the world!

You are missing something here!

Jesus began ruling in heaven in the year 1914 not earth so this is the right time to start praying fervently for his kingdom to come so that the same way Jesus and his angels ousted Satan and his demons in heaven for peace to reign in heaven {Revelations 12:7-12} since the year 1914 they should come and do the same to Satan, his cohorts and their human agents here on earth! Matthew 6:10

I believe by now it's clear shey?

Emusan:
@color just confirmed OP point.
Conflicting teachings!
You claimed Jesus' statement means the believers who are ALIVE when Jesus COMES TO START HIS government will never die again. Yet, the same you believe that Jesus has COME AND STARTED HIS GOVERNMENT SINCE 1914. Why do JWs who exercise faith in Jesus continue to die since 1914?

Emusan:
Which you strongly proved to him by claiming "...disciples who happens to be alive when Jesus comes to start his government will never die again"
The same you believe that Jesus has COME and started His government since 1914.
Yet, many JWs keep dying including the founder C.T Russell.
Is that not conflicting teachings?

jmichael259:
😂😆
I'm just saying about the possible misunderstanding from others on the outside. They need a message of comfort. That the door is not open and shut case for only and specifically Jehovah's witnesses. Many of them view the word Armageddon like they do rapture. So in this case, hearing the words with insinuations that it's Jehovah's witnesses will survive may not be the best port of call. Doubts and disbelief may arise. It might also sound counterintuitive when they start considering Isaac, Jacob, Moses etc that were before Jesus Christ or Jehovah's witnesses.
So, just as when you call upon someone and say "we're your neighbours" instead of "we've come to preach to you", it's better to keep the door open for humble inquiry and persuasive argument.
If the op likes, let them spend their lives attempting to persecute people of other faiths like Jehovah's witnesses or continue in fear instead of taking positive steps.

The OP has a blood brother who is now a baptized JW if not an elder by now but he hates JWs with passion so with the long discussion i've had with him on this forum he has become restless and when any Bible verse talks about destruction of the unbelievers Jehovah's Witnesses always come to his mind as the only true religion so he is scared that's why he is always looking for ways to engage JWs by all means insisting on knowing what awaits him just as those spirits in Tartarus {2Peter 2:4} are eagerly anticipating what we will say about ARMAGEDDON! 1Peter 1:12

jmichael259:
Just like the post by op MightySparrow, This is a little bit a misrepresentation of what Jehovah's witnesses actually teach. Salvation and everlasting life do not lie in the mere hands of men or an organisation. You don't become saved because you became a Jehovah's witness or started studying with them. At no time has their Watchtower organisation taught such a thing. I'm just saying that outsiders will misunderstanding of @bolded parts of it's worded exactly that way.
The emphasis is on "Honest hearted individuals", who will receive an opportunity by the almighty himself to become saved irrespective of their backgrounds. Many from the past like Noah, Abel will also be called upon for everlasting life.

Governing Body doesn't say anything new if you are studying with the JWs because it's whatever they found written in the Bible that they base their teachings on.
But when people including members of the group notice what is happening and compare it to what the scriptures say the fear grips many that only members of this group can be saved.
That's what is affecting the OP.
Who am i to quench his fears?
If that is what his conscience is telling him then so be it!

Chai see life o!

Jesus said:

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you shut up the Kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in, neither do you permit those on their way in to go in." Matthew 23:13

What is the name of their own churches?

Nah ANONYMOUS but because honest hearted and sincere ones are speaking up for the Good things they are seeing in God's organization!

APOPTOSIS:
Jehovah's Witness is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

Deway52:
I am convinced that jw are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a Jehovah witness, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Thanks to Jehovah i have found God's organization!

Your hatred for the true religion can't hinder sincere and honest hearted people from seeing the GOOD FRUIT of God's people! Matthew 7:16-18

MightySparrow:
So, you are going to supervise the killing of non - Jehovah's Witnesses while you inherit their houses.
Ole.

Ọmọ nah demolition we go dey do after Armageddon because each man will have his own house and vineyards so houses built today are for greedy people but in God's kingdom there is no room for greed!

Funny guys!

Courz:
You can see that the Op is afraid of your doctrines. How come? If nothing is wrong with your Cult, why will a stranger be afraid of it? That's the Holy Spirit working. The gift of discernment. You Jehovah's Witnesses don't have that gift because your JW Leaders do not work with the Holy Spirit. You know that it is forbidden to investigate your Cult. Now that he has freedom, before that freedom will be taken away from him, he has to know everything about your Cult. And you will not stop him.

Default mode!

He's fully convinced that he has found a treasure (true religion) so all he needs now is to sell whatever he has before (his old beliefs) in order to buy it {Matthew 13:45-46} meanwhile it cost him no money! Revelations 22:17 compare to Matthew 10:8

Antichristian2:
Of course people should care about lies. A book called scriptures shouldn't be this lacking in integrity!

Lacking in integrity should be the one your people called strong and weak due to outright lies found in it not reports that's compiled from different people!

In your Hadiths there are questionable records that even a kid will laugh at for instance Muhammad commanding the sun and moon to enter his pockets but that won't disturb your conscience rather it's the reports of two followers of the same man one who really was with him and the other who gathered reports that is lacking in integrity to you!

At birth women bears their father's name so when they make a vow to God only their father can break such vow and God will forgive them because their owner not them ends the vow.
God later said if the woman is married her vows can also be broken by her husband. Numbers 30:3-8

The question:

If she bears her father's name at birth and he has the right to break her vows whose name should she bear now that she's MARRIED and has BECOME ONE {Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19:5-6} with someone else who also has the right to break her vows?

Antichristian2:
Who bought it, Judas or the chief priests?

Who cares?
What really matters is Judas Iscariot who betrayed his friend died in the course and the money he got from betraying an innocent man was used to buy his burial place.
Ọmọ this totally differs from what your people fabricated as the story of Muhammad where you have strong and weak Hadith o!

Redoil:
humans are free to believe whatever they choose to believe

Question:
Why Will God Kill Everyone In Armageddon But Jehovah's Witnesses?
Answer:
God promised a time when the earth will become peaceful with peace loving people all over the planet {Psalms 37:9-11} so Himself and His only begotten Son (Jesus Christ) has been working towards this goal {John 5:17} their plan is to gather all peace lovers throughout the earth under one umbrella {Isaiah 2:2-4} and destroy all weapons of war {Psalms 46:9} it won't work if there still remains people who are making weapons and training people to kill so to permanently end wars God included it in His son's teachings that obedient humans need to forgive and forget past errors or wrongdoings of their neighbors as in to forgo whatever anyone has done to hurt us in the past {Matthew 6:15} this will help us to think of how we can progress as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers of the same God! John 17:22
That's the purpose of Christianity!
But Satan doesn't want humans to be saved so to complicate issues for humans he initiated different sects in the name of "CHRISTIANS" with false teachings after the death of Jesus' Jewish disciples! Matthew 13:25
Initially angels in heaven wanted to stop this move but Jesus commanded them to allow this falsehood until our time when they will have to separate faithful people from hypocrites! Matthew 13:30
Well after centuries of spiritual darkness Jesus returned as a spirit King and began to restructure his group though what he met wasn't the same thing he left back in the first century {Luke 18:8} but he started going from one group to another until he found this group called "International Bible Students" out of all religions claiming Abrahamic only this group was prepared to welcome this spirit King who wants to correct all the blunders man has committed in the name of God.
So Jesus chose them and started working with them until his father was satisfied with the restructuring and changed their name to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15
Note what God said in that verse, He will destroy all others except this group.
WHY?
Because they are the only ones meeting up with the goal for which Christianity was established which is gathering peace lovers {Luke 10:6} throughout the earth {Matthew 28:19-20} to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Micah 4:1-3} so when Jesus said many will claim they are Christians but he will disown them {Matthew 7:21-23} it's because they failed to meet up with God's purpose therefore instead of working for Jesus the Prince of Peace they will be deceived by Satan the killer to continue hating, fighting and killing one another! Revelations 6:3-4
That's why Jesus said he will order all of them to be killed when he start his government! Luke 19:27
My careful research makes me believe that this is the reason why Jehovah's Witnesses claim that Armageddon will spare only Jehovah's Witnesses and those who are progressively studying the Bible with them! Malachi 3:16

May you have Peace!