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AntiChristian:
If Abraham lost his mind then Jehovah must have approved that don't you think? Jehovah conscented to the fertilization of Ishmael in Hagar's womb! I know you JW so much hate Abraham as i have witness a JW spilling this same excreta while preaching before!
Abraham listened to his wife but why didn't Jehovah warn him? Wasn't Angels sent to Lot to flee Sodom but Jehovah forgot to send Angel to warn Abraham not to sleep with Hagar?

I told you that God wants us to learn from their experience since they can't know why it's wrong in polygamy!

FreeIgboho:
Meaning life doesn't begin here. Which will explain a lot of things. I mean, how can God hate Esau from birth unless something happened before birth. Same way, that you were born in Nigeria is not happenstance!

God hates Esau because he will not be loyal to the spiritual heritage of the family.

I was the chosen one out of six children because my own father was a politician so whenever a child is born their group used to call a sorcerer who will look into the child's future to know if the child will be loyal and as a child i was chosen to continue with my father's political career. I'm telling you this to know what is happening in the world of politics.

Though i grew up to be what the sorcerer saw about baby Max but when i grew older i chose to be loyal to the true God and not Satan the god of politics, this made my father cry bitterly because he felt his journey as a politician has ended because the child chosen by their Oracle refused to be a politician rather he is loyally preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom!

So i know exactly what you are trying to say but it's not what you think even Satan knows what a child will become when he grows up as both God and Satan are interested in anyone who will be 100% loyal to them. It's the loyalty aspect that God knows perfectly but as for to whom the child will be loyal depends on the child that's where FREEWILL plays it's role!

FreeIgboho:
You were asked a simple question. Is Jesus good or not?

Do you believe Jesus?
Why ask me if Jesus has answered?

Ọmọ Jesus said it's his teacher that is good which means anyone could do the same if they are willing to be taught by the same teacher.

So it's the teacher that's GOOD not His student!

FreeIgboho:
And how about the robber at the cross.

Two criminals impaled beside Jesus, one was desperate to escape from punishment while the other was honestly considering what brought Jesus to this same condition with them.

So by the end the day the one thinking about what brought Jesus there remember what they have been taught by their religious leaders that the Christ will be executed along with criminals! Isaiah 53:12

With that he told Jesus:

“Jesus, remember me when you get into your Kingdom.” Luke 23:42

What this means is that this dying man is willing to accept Jesus as King over him despite the condition Jesus is at the moment.

Ọmọ that's a great faith people like you can never ever have!

FreeIgboho:
So how does this your view fit in below:

Isaiah 64:
"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee"
And
Ephesians 1:4, "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world"

Knew the person as what?
Chosen in this context means those who falls in the category of faith in Christ Jesus that's what God foreordained before this world of evildoers exist not before creation.

Note that Satan is the God of this world {2Corinthians 4:4} doesn't mean he is the Creator rather the world of wicked people and unbelievers! John 17:14-16

FreeIgboho:
Still using the mistaken name which is meant to mean "I Am".
You say Jesus is sinless. So you don’t believe he's good?
Use your head sometimes my GOOD man!

Who taught him how to be sinless among humans?

Come on man, if Jesus didn't follow strict guidance from his father surely Satan is ready to make him sin.
So Jesus is giving the credit to the one who taught him!

FreeIgboho:
Poor guy. Still trying to fight a fought and won battle. I guess no one ever told you of
Ephesians 2:
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

The highlighted shows you what Paul is saying!

We must be saved through WORKS but is it the works of self righteousness or that of the Mosaic laws?

The answer is "NO"

So through which works are we to be saved?

By the WORKS Jesus commissioned due to the undeserved kindness of God who gave us His only begotten Son to lay his life down for us to learn from him. John 3:16

This means if Jesus never engaged in the preaching and teaching that could save humans from our sins Satan won't gather enemies from among his own people against him. So it's the teachings that Jesus laid down that's going to save us and it's only those exercising faith in that teaching that will be saved.

So it's not just by saying "I believe in God or Jesus" that will save anyone {James 2:19-20} rather it's by WORKING in line with Jesus' teachings with faith that you are on the path that leads to everlasting life! Matthew 7:21-23

FreeIgboho:
See below, scientific proof you don't have free will!

You keep jumping from pillar to post just because you don't want to admit you goofed.

Well congrats to you and your fellow worshipers of I AM as you guys can't reach a reasonable conclusion on this at least your I AM god loves such confusion among it's worshipers!

FreeIgboho:
Insinuating ke. Why don't you ask yourself how you can have free will if God knows everything?

Ọmọ God never claimed He knows everything o that's what Satan wants you to think so you can blame God and justify for your disobedience.

What God knows perfectly is His own purpose which nothing can change {Isaiah 55:11} but as for what each person will do regarding His purposes that He leaves to your own freewill.

See what God said about Abraham:


“Do not lay a hand on the boy,” he said. “Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son.”
Genesis 22:12 NIV‬

If God predestined Abraham to do that then what's extraordinary in what the man did?

FreeIgboho:
It means what we are taught growing up that formed our foundation view of things NOT teaching JW to an Iman in Suadi Arabia steeped in Islam all his life!
Meanwhile what do you think of this:
Romans 8:29-30 (ESV):
> "For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified."

because those whom he gave his first recognition he also foreordained to be patterned after the image of his Son, so that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. Moreover, those whom he foreordained are the ones he also called; and those whom he called are the ones he also declared to be righteous. Finally those whom he declared righteous are the ones he also glorified. Romans 8:29-30

God purposed that salvation will reach all other nations of the earth by means of the Jews! Zechariah 8:23 compare to John 4:22

That's what Paul meant in his letter not that God predestined anyone in person apart from Jesus all those who embraced Christianity did so by freewill {Matthew 19:27} when other Jews turned back after getting annoyed over Jesus' teachings! John 6:66

So it wasn't automatic otherwise that would have mean God is partial! Act 10:34-35

FreeIgboho:
HOW does this preclude Jesus from being God incarnate??

Jesus is not God incarnate rather he was given orders on what to do that's why he said:

“Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God" Luke 18:19

His thoughts, words and actions were like SCRIPTED as given to him by his SUPERIOR whom he doesn't want to displease! John 5:30

I told you Jesus in his prehuman existence wasn't such a gentleman he acted just as his father taught him in his real self none of those rubbish they did to him could have gone without those people paying dearly for their errors but because he was given a role to play that's why he told that man:

"I'm not good o, it's my father's attributes you are seeing in me not my very self" Luke 18:19

FreeIgboho:
I want you to use your own reasoning to see why salvation cannot be through works mainly. It has to be mainly a gift because...
(Let me see if you're smart enough to complete the statement)

If there's no works attached Jesus won't say:

“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the ONE DOING the will of my Father who is in the heavens will" Matthew 7:21 compare to James 2:18-26

The highlighted in blue shows you don't understand what you are saying!

FreeIgboho:
How does this relate to the fact that your brain is waaaay too limited to reason God? You don't determine God by reasoning but by evidence. We know Jesus is God incarnate from all that happened with him and NOT because we sat down and used our extremely limited brain to do calculations!

Ọmọ you are just deceiving yourself!

Nobody knows anything about Jesus and his disciples until we listen to the message brought {Romans 10:13-15} and it's by listening and REASONING we accepted whatever we believe today! Act 19:8

We CALCULATED what we heard and put the fragments together before coming to a conclusion.

The two thieves killed beside Jesus were opportuned to use their brains, one thought of escaping the torture and death while the other focused on what the scriptures said about the Christ {Isaiah 53:12} that's why he concluded that Jesus is truly the Christ and started begging him for mercy even though both of them are dying on the torture stake! Luke 23:40-42

Jesus expected people who heard about him to use their heads to calculate and come to the right conclusion! Matthew 16:20

Mr FreeIgboho you can try your luck in politics but in God's word you don't know anything even your profile name says it.

Good night!

FreeIgboho:
And what determines who'd live by conscience abd who'd not - all thise things I listed, none of which you chose!

Conscience is natural we all have it but then it could be trained like a tree that we water only God's word can do that yet even with the little you are given nobody can compel you to do certain things if you are normal!

FreeIgboho:
My friend, a child is born a clean slate except that he is given a certain kind of brain and a basic personality - none of which he chose. Going forward his choices will 100% depend on where and to whom he was born, what he was taught, and his environment growing up - none of which he chose!

The highlighted dismantle your lies!

Jesus sent us to go preaching and TEACHING people! Matthew 28:19-20

That's why we have Jehovah's Witnesses in all the countries of the world! Act 1:8

FreeIgboho:
And HOW will they live by conscience if they're born into an environment were they're taught it's wrong to do so and all the powerful people they knew never did such?

Conscience is inbuilt in all humans that's why two brothers do argue or quarrel over matters and stop deceiving yourself there is no human society where people don't live by conscience otherwise there won't be laws guiding inhabitants!

FreeIgboho:
That's exactly what I was saying - you are using your puny human brain to reason God. How do you know what God is supposed to do and not do?

At least God will never ever lie! Titus 1:2

So when God said:

“This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him.” Matthew 17:5

He meant we should listen to His son whom he sent {John 3:16-18} not himself!

DeepSight:
Talking about IQ when you lack a sense of humour. Now where is your sutana?

Sense of humour where you just speak without thinking shey?

Well let me show you what many have said about MaxInDHouse after engaging me in friendly discussions:

Nnamdipapa:
Max, do not descend to the levels of these people, and never let them get to you. I have noticed your interactions on NL for years and I see emotional maturity and the way you carry yourself, I have yet to see in the average Pentecostal Christian.

Sirmwill:
I am not a Jehovah Witness person
I am not even a church person
But
I can tell you ,you are saying a lot of truth but
Most people would not accept
So
Don't bother yourself much with arguments 😇

DoctorAyukebot:
You know your scriptures

Mayflowa:
Wow! See Bible scholars! So impressive!

SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.

IykeSent:
This is a deep and insightful explanation of Hebrews 1:5, showing how Jesus is uniquely God's Son not just another angel. I especially liked the connection to the temple and the idea of spiritual sonship through being “born again.God bless you for this

Questionnaires:
You Are One of The Smartest Christians on Nairaland and in Nigeria At Large.

Tayorshd87:
Awesome input 💯
That's true logically

Kingsempires:
I know you and I don't agree on the same christain doctrine but I grab point in some of your preaching
I learned something on this your comment

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

naturefellow:
Amazing! Thanks for the input. Knowledge added reading it.

Treborblue:
Wow insightful thanks very much

shinaola21:
Perfectly said bro 💯

Sojourner2000:
For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down

That is what IQ is all about not just talking back because you feel like hurting others who don't agree with your philosophy!

DeepSight:
Stop proving stubborn and vomit the exhibits. Your occultist accoutrements.

I told you:

"that post is not for you"

It was for FreeIgboho.

I deal with each person according to the level of your IQ, the way you've responded to my posts in previous times has shown me your level of understanding that is why i don't engage you anymore.

Just look at the way FreeIgboho went silent when i asked him if he has seen a JW sexually abusing a child in his own neighborhood or if he can mention any church or religion where such a thing could'nt be found.

Instantly he realized that was a blunder because there is no religion where sexual scandals can't be found neither has people in this side of the world come out to say JWs in their area are child molesters.

But you will just continue talking back to prove you are not giving in to what you condemn.

Why can't you just answer the two simple questions?

Is it based on some tools you called JWs a cult or based on the fact that we shun rebellious ones?

Are you now saying any group of people who shun rebellious members must be in possession of some tools?

That's the same way you spoke without thinking the other time only to start rearranging your words after realizing it!

DeepSight:
Bring out your occultic tools now before we drag you to the market square.

If anyone see your posts on this forum without you engaging a JW they may be having the thought that you are knowledgeable but just a few discussion with a JW see how you've messed up your entire being on this forum?

Now answer me:

Is it based on some tools you called JWs a cult or based on the fact that we shun rebellious ones?

Are you now saying any group of people who shun rebellious members must be in possession of some tools?


You people know nothing yet you want to portray yourself as knowledgeable humans!

DeepSight:
Bring out your calabash and your ritual garments and tools now, I conjure you.

Mr Reincarnation the below post is not for you o!

Maximus692:
If you agree that the TEACHER who laid the foundation is the head of CULTISM i will be proud of Jesus any time any day! Matthew 10:24-25

So are you saying Jesus was wrong for teaching his disciples to SHUN?

FreeIgboho:
But you are extremely touchy about being called a cult. Why not be proud of it since it's from Jesus??

You were asked why easing up on shunning?
And where did Jesus tell his disciples to shun people

Jesus initiated SHUNNING among his disciples! Matthew 18:15-17

DeepSight:
Where is your calabash?

Na wah o!

The post is not for you nah?

FreeIgboho:
Give example where Jesus taught his disciples to shun people

Jesus taught us that if there is any case that warrants settling among us we should encourage the two persons involved to resolve it between them but if it's not resolved we must take two other members to the one insisting on his own idea if he still disagree then the body of elders should intervene but if he still disagree with the body of elders in the congregation then we should SHUN such a person! Matthew 18:15-17

Jews used to SHUN people of other nations and tax collectors Jesus said that is the same way we should treat whoever disagree with what the entire congregation concludes as best decision!

FreeIgboho:
The question is, why easing up on shunning amidst clamor of being a cult? Why not be proud of being called that?

If you agree that the TEACHER who laid the foundation is the head of CULTISM i will be proud of Jesus any time any day! Matthew 10:24-25

So are you saying Jesus was wrong for teaching his disciples to SHUN?

DeepSight:
How is disagreeing with your doctrines the same thing as arrogance?

Jesus taught his disciples and told them to stick to that doctrine so if anyone feels like drifting away from what binds Jesus' disciples as one family of faith such a person should be SHUNNED!

You can't find this appealing after all the Bible itself doesn't make perfect sense to you as a person so why bother yourself on what Jesus taught?

DeepSight:
Jesus said he came for sinners.

All humans are sinners but Jesus only came for REPENTANT once not arrogant people!

FreeIgboho:
So why amidst all the clamor of being a cult, JW is easing up on shunning.

Whatever people say doesn't count what Jesus COMMANDED is of utmost importance to us so if others disown Jesus due to his orders we don't! Matthew 10:32-33

FreeIgboho:
So is why is JW gradually dropping it??

We follow Jesus' orders STRICTLY!

FreeIgboho:
You once again goaded me into it by harping on works when that's not what we discussing. Besides, I really don't consider those insults, but since you do I'll keep away from them!

How many JWs have you caught in your own neighborhood commiting child sexual abuse?
Which religion do you know that you can't find child sexual abuse among them?
Do you believe you are into a cult for insisting that Jesus is the only way?

You are not just man of your own words it's as simple as that!