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AntiChristian:
Muhammad did kissed his wives also!
Then he must have been worshiping them all too!

You are supposed to kiss your WIFE, and your wife will kiss you back, are you supposed to kiss a STONE that is kept in the corner of a stone house called Kaabu?

AntiChristian:
Muhammad did kissed his wives also!
Then he must have been worshiping them all too!

Does he do tawaaf around his wives before kissing them?

Before mohammed was born, the black stone was been kissed and venerated. He even went for pilgrimage in Mecca before he started Islam.

OLAADEGBU:
What stops the Infinite Uncreated Creator from creating within a second if He so wishes?

He has to wait a second, who created the concept of “seconds”?
Is Your deity not timeless?

A timeless god had to limit himself to a 24 hour time?
😂😂

Those who predict war will meet their demise prior to its occurrence.


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AntiChristian:
This has just been answered!

Yes mohammed was kissing for fun.

“I saw the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) kissing you, I would not have kissed you. And this is our position!”

“I saw the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) performing Tawaaf around the House, touching the corner [where the Stone is] with a crooked staff which he had with him, then kissing the staff.”

AntiChristian:
Our belief about the Black stone is sure different!

1. The Black Stone was sent down by Allah to this earth from Paradise.

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbas said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “The Black Stone came down from Paradise.”

(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 877; al-Nasaa’i, 2935. The hadeeth was classed as saheeh by al-Tirmidhi).

2. The Stone was whiter than milk, but the sins of the sons of Adam made it black.

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaa said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “When the Black Stone came down from Paradise, it was whiter than milk, but the sins of the sons of Adam made it black.”

(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 877; Ahmad, 2792. Classed as saheeh by Ibn Khuzaymah, 4/219. Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar classed it as qawiy (strong) in Fath al-Baari, 3/462).

(a) Al-Mubaarakfoori said in al-Marqaah: This means, the sins of the sons of Adam who touched the stone, caused it to turn black. The hadeeth should be taken at face value, because there is no reason not to, either narrated in a report or by virtue of common sense.

(Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi, 3/525)

(b) Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said: Some heretics tried to criticize this hadeeth by saying: How come the sins of the mushrikeen turned it black and the worship of the people of Tawheed did not make it white?

I answer by quoting what Ibn Qutaybah said: If Allah had willed, that would have happened. But Allah has caused it to be the case that black usually changes other colours and its not itself changed, which is the opposite to what happens with white.

(c) Al-Muhibb al-Tabari said: The fact that it is black is a lesson for those who have insight. If sins can have this effect on an inanimate rock, then the effect they have on the heart is greater.

See Fath al-Baari, 3/463

3. The Black Stone will come forth on the Day of Resurrection and will testify in favour of those who touched it in truth.

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbas said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said concerning the Stone: “By Allah, Allah will bring it forth on the Day of Resurrection, and it will have two eyes with which it will see and a tongue with which it will speak, and it will testify in favour of those who touched it in sincerity.”

Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 961; Ibn Maajah, 2944

This hadeeth was classed as hasan by al-Tirmidhi, and as qawiy by al-Haafiz ibn Hajar in Fath al-Baari, 3/462

(4) Touching, kissing or pointing to the Black Stone – this is the first thing to be done when starting Tawaaf, whether it is for Hajj or ‘Umrah, or voluntary Tawaaf.

It was narrated from Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allah (may Allah be pleased with him) that when the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) came to Makkaah, he came to the Black Stone and touched it, then he walked to the right of it and ran three times and walked four times [around the Ka’bah].

(narrated by Muslim, 1218).

(5) The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) kissed the Black Stone, and his ummah followed his lead in doing so.

It was narrated that ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) came to the Black Stone and kissed it, then he said: “I know that you are only a stone which can neither bring benefit nor cause harm. Were it not that I had seen the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) kiss you, I would not have kissed you.”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1520; Muslim, 1720)

(6) If a person is unable to kiss the Stone, he should touch it with his hand or something else, then he can kiss the thing with which he touched it.

(a) It was narrated that Naafi’ said: I saw Ibn ‘Umar touch the Stone with his hand then he kissed his hand. I said, I have never ceased to do this since I saw the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) do it.

(Narrated by Muslim, 1268)

(b) It was narrated that Abu Tufayl (may Allah be pleased with him) said: I saw the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) performing Tawaaf around the House, touching the corner [where the Stone is] with a crooked staff which he had with him, then kissing the staff.

(Narrated by Muslim, 1275).

(7) If a person is unable to do the above, then he can point to it with his hand and say “Allahu akbar”.

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbas said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) performed Tawaaf on his camel, and every time he came to the corner [where the Stone is] he would point to it and say “Allahu akbar.”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4987).

( Touching the Stone is one of the things by means of which Allah expiates for sins

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) say: “Touching them both [the Black Stone and al-Rukn al-Yamani] is an expiation for sins.”

(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 959. This hadeeth was classed as hasan by al-Tirmidhi and as saheeh by al-Haakim (1/664). Al-Dhahabi agreed with him).

It is not permissible for a Muslim to annoy other Muslims at the Stone by hitting or fighting. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) told us that the Stone will testify in favour of those who touched it in sincerity, which is not the case when a person touches it by disturbing the slaves of Allah.

And Allah knows best.

Allah sent down a stone, lol.
Other kaabas had their stones too.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demolition_of_Dhul_Khalasa

AntiChristian:
You are telling me to believe Wikipedia and your online sources as against my book that came before internet!


Hubal Stone is being kissed! Chai!
it is proven that the ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab (may Allah be pleased with him) said, when he kissed the Black Stone : I know that you are a stone and have no power to harm or benefit; were it not that I saw the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) kissing you, I would not have kissed you. And this is our position!

With regard to what some ignorant people think, that the purpose behind that is to seek blessing (barakah) from it, there is no basis for that, so it is invalid.

Sorry! I'll pass!

Lol, i wondered why the prophet was kissing it, for fun I guess

I know it’s hard to leave.

AntiChristian:
So he broke Hubal and kept worshiping it?

He was moving to monotheism.
He destroyed the idols but left the black stone.
https://www.dhushara.com/book/sakina/kaaba/BlackStone.html

AntiChristian:
The texts of Islam:

1 – Muslim (969) narrated that Abu’l-Hayaaj al-Asadi said: ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib said to me: “Shall I not send you with the same instructions as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent me? ‘Do not leave any image without defacing it or any built-up grave without leveling it.’”

2 – Muslim (832) narrated from ‘Urwah ibn ‘Abasah that he said to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “With what were you sent?” He said, “I was sent to uphold the ties of kinship, to break the idols, and so that Allaah would be worshipped alone with no partner or associate.”

Mohammed was shifting to Monotheism.
The Black Stone represents Hubal.

AntiChristian:
Where they worshipped when Abraham built the place?

They came to be worshiped in between and they were later destroyed!

Abraham didn’t build anything.
And Hubal was worshipped in the qurasyh kaaba, he was the chief god there.
There were other kaabas.

Hubal had his stone in the kaaba which is been kissed till now.

Look up “pre islamic”.

AntiChristian:
I believe my Books than your source!

I don’t want you to “Believe” me.

AntiChristian:
Which of these was Abraham and Ishmael involved in building?

No be etymology i won chop! Proof!

Hubal, Uzza, Manat and others were destroyed!

enjoy etymology. Etymology is basically the account of the birth and development of a word. I like to say, "All words have a story to tell."


Hubal, Uzza and Manat were worshipped inside where?
When you pray you turn to where?

AntiChristian:
And I didn't see Abraham and his son Ishmael in your story!

You think it was them that built the Kaaba? 😂😂

The link was on the origin of Kaaba.

AntiChristian:
The Prophet ordered the destruction of all idols!

Yea but not the black stones that represented them.
The idols were placed side by side with the stones pre-islamic, other kaabas also had their own stones with different colors, but the one in quraysh was black.

You can start from the etymology of the word “allah”.

AntiChristian:
But Allah said He is one! Not multiple gods!

That’s what they said Hubal said.

I know it’s hard to leave.
I wrote an article on the Kaaba.
https://www.nairaland.com/7717600/kaabas

AntiChristian:
Is it Elah or Alah?

They come from the same Semitic language.
Semitic means Shem.
What’s god in semitic language?

AntiChristian:
Give me proof from what I believe in!

I don’t want you to believe it.

They are all over the hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic language.

When jesus was alive in the New Testament, he spoke Aramaic, what’s “god” in Aramaic?

AntiChristian:
I asked of a proof and are these proofs?

I told you, They are all over the hebrew, aramaic and arabic language.
Your quran was written in a language..

AntiChristian:
This is where i disagree with you!

Allah says He is one! Where did you get your gods?

That’s what they said Allah said in a book.

Allah and Elohim means same thing.
Al lah means “the gods”.
Elohim means “the gods”.
It could be use as singular too.
Yahweh, hubal, zeus, ogun, marduk are all gods/allah.

In the quraysh kabal, Hubal was the head god, Allah.

AntiChristian:
Were is your proof?

It’s all over the hebrew, aramaic and Arabic language.

Both you and Christians are worshipping Abrahamaic gods.

AntiChristian:
It is proven from the Bible that Elohim = gods/God/Man/Angel etc!

But you can prove such from the Qur'an that Allah = gods!

Never!

I don't need your wikipedia or other online sources!

The bible and quran are written in a language.
Elohim and Allah means same thing, the “allah” in your quran is hubal.

I don’t need your assumption and ignorance!
Both you and christians are abrahamaic gods worshipper, you shooting yourself in the foot.

That’s right, and hope you know , Elohim and Allah means same thing, gods.

Living in the past “was”.

MindHacker9009:
At that time only those at the top could read and write that's why they could write the Bible the way is it to control the minds of the masses who could not read and write.

Did you look up what i told you to?

MindHacker9009:
Only if the people and the writters of the Bible had Wikipedia during their time then the Bible then there would have been not disputes today

They had better history book, they knew exactly what they were writing.
Look up “Hypsistos”, Religion is exciting.

preciousee17:
Rest boss.
Let me rest as well

You're using Wikipedia to counter the Bible?

I’m using history to better explain the collection of books you call “Bible”.

preciousee17:
Back to Paul, Paul called himself a Jew, Jesus Christ also came as a Jew. But with different approaches to the Jewish Laws.

Paul (a Jew) followed and re-teached Jesus Christ's (a Jew) Teachings.
People started calling them (all the disciples including Paul) Christians, meaning 'Christ-like' — Acts 11:26
Paul (and the whole believers of Jesus) later adopted the word and started using it to preach to people, that both Jews like you and Gentiles like me should/can be 'Christ-like' — Acts 26:28 (Someone is asking Paul if Paul is persuading him to be a Christian, Paul answers Yes, and that he's also wishing that everyone should be the same, just like him)

Paul can’t call himself a “jew”, he is a jew by birth lol.
And besides the religion of jews is JUDAISM, jesus read the torah and preached in a temple.
It was outsiders that called them “Chrestian” as a way of ridicule.
Can you show me where they called themselves “Christians” before antioch or Were they nameless before antioch?

Which verse did paul and other believers later adopt a name given to them by “outsiders”?
They couldn’t name themselves?
How many times did they call themselves that?

Acts 26:28, it was antionia felix that was asking, Chrestians were pagan worshippers.
Paul was a Nazarene, your jewish savior was called “jesus of Nazareth”.

And hope you know there is a difference between jesus of Nazareth and Jesus the Christ you have now.

benodic:
The water of life, even as truth, appears to be available everywhere to everyone. But only those who know how to give love are able to drink of it, to receive truth.

Sri Harold Klemp
Truth Has No Secrets

Look up “sant mat movements”.

Papers are been burned every day.

preciousee17:
Erm.. Young man, you are quoting Paul, a Christian who believed in Christ and writes all these things to help others believe and follow christ

Erm… young woman, which verse in the New Testament did paul refer to himself as “Christian”?.


The other person hailing you lol, have you ever wondered why jehovah witnesses don’t use the tag “christians”?
Have you wondered why they don’t call their place of worship “church”?
Abi you part of them gan 😂

chieveboy:
*Time* :
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“Sant mat movement”.