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[quote author=OLAADEGBU post=122688395][/quote]Is Issac Bourne not a Earth Creationist?

Who told him that every theory must have a first cause? Why not a thousand cause?

OLAADEGBU:
E.I.D. Have You Been Diagnosed?

Image saying this is the dummy that created you in his image, no wonder you are acting a dummy.

[quote author=OLAADEGBU post=122688213][/quote]Theism makes you a slave especially when you are a yahweh worshipper, it makes you a jewish slave forever condemned by yahweh until his jewish son comes to come you.

The desire to be wise and knowledgeable where did Adam get it from?

Your creator that was dead for 3 days has a wife..

OLAADEGBU:
God created all things but only Man (human) did He create in His own image and is the crown of His creation.



Says the man who believes what some pseudo-scientists say that the world came about billions of years ago without any evidence.

A bad fix
Dan Lietha on October 3, 2005

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Your god didn’t create perfect beings, he created insane people until they receive jesus they are sound abi?

The desire to be wise and knowledgeable where did Adam get it from?

[quote author=OLAADEGBU post=122688169][/quote]“At least we have the proof that our bodies contain similar elements that we have in the dust (soil) from which we were made.“

Show us the proof

OLAADEGBU:
At least we have the proof that our bodies contain similar elements that we have in the dust (soil) from which we were made.

God Defines Good!

Show us the proof.

SIRTee15:
Sickness is already in your body for a while b4 it manifest as symptoms. Not new.
Better deal that people elsewhere were already discussing b4 u came to know about it.
Death- something caused death. Accidents, illness, natural disasters. These are all effects that has a cause.
These are too basic stuffs for all knowing God.
Goodbye.

But your god doesn’t know if sickness will make me change my mind or not.
What you said about the better deal makes no sense.
Does your god know if a better deal will make me change my plans or not?
Does your god know if death will not make me go again?

Your god does not know exactly what will happen, he only has possible options. They are even basic stuffs for humans too.
I can also predict where I’ll be next year this time but I don’t know EXACTLY where I’ll be, only an OMNISCIENCE knows exactly and that’s because he wrote the script of where I’ll be exactly, I’m just acting it.

Your god is not all knowing, if he is all knowing that means you have no freewill.
choose one

SIRTee15:
The spirit is to guide the soul not control it. The soul has the final say on choice.
The rest are already answered, we going in circles now. Check previous posts.
Goodbye

There’s no compulsion but if they don’t worship you you’ll KILL THEM?

SIRTee15:
The spirit is to guide the soul not control it. The soul has the final say on choice.
The rest are already answered, we going in circles now. Check previous posts.
Goodbye

Why did your god create souls that’s contending with the spirit and his carnal nature-body who wants him to follow the pleasures of sin.
WHO CREATED MAN WITH ALL THESE?
The person that created you with all these knew exactly how you’ll react to it, why then is he suprise that you are reacting to it?


You don’t understand what you believe in.
Goodbye.

SIRTee15:
Ok
Tell me those factors that will make u change your plans suddenly. Like those last minute emergency factors that make u change your plans quickly.
Let's see if they are plans that can catch God unaware.

Sickness.
A better deal may come in.
Death.

How can you catch an omniscience god unaware that’s what happens when your god knows possible choices but not the exact choice.
And if your god knows your exact choice before you made it that means he made it for you, you’re just under the delusion that it was “choice”, since he knows the future, your “choice” must conform with it.

SIRTee15:
God gave man a soul as a marker of choice. However man's spirit was meant to guide the soul so that he always makes the right choice- obedience to God.

Now God gave man a piece of the universe to rule and dominate. It's called earth. Man was meant to be in charge in full obedience to God.

But when man fell, he handed over that dominion to satan and satan corrupted the world with sin.

Now the soul of man has to contend between the spirit who wants him to do right and his carnal nature-body who wants him to follow the pleasures of sin.

That answers all your questions.
The one about why can God make us obey him all the time has already been anwered- check previous posts.

The freewill is not for u to misbehave or serve other gods but to worship and obey God WILLINGLY WITHOUT ANY COMPULSION.

If man’s spirit was meant to guide the soul to make right choices, how did man disobey?

Are you saying your omniscience god didn’t know that adam will fall and satan will dominate?
If he knew it was an option why would it make it happen?
Did god also know that his child will eventually be sacrificed?

Why did your god create souls that’s contending with the spirit? and his carnal nature-body who wants him to follow the pleasures of sin.
WHO CREATED MAN WITH ALL THESE?
The person that created you with all these knew exactly how you’ll react to it, why then is he suprise that you are reacting to it?


And your god created perfect beings?
If god created perfect beings then how are his perfect beings easily corrupted?


That’s not what freewill means. If you have to tell me and threaten me with what i have to do with my “freewill” that’s not freewill.
There’s no compulsion but if they don’t worship you you’ll KILL THEM?
That’s emotional blackmail.

OLAADEGBU:
Family!

I am from the adamic race not from the animal kingdom.

The “adamic race” that made you a sinner and slave to jewish mythology, forever guilty and in sin until your saviour, a Jewish man comes to save you.

Who gave man his evil nature and weaknesses?

SIRTee15:
God is not responsible for the carnality of mankind. That was man's soul. Yes it's your right to disobey him and choose not to follow him.
But remember there's judgement and it's his right to execute judgement the way he deems fit.
If that's the case I wonder why we wasted 2 pages debating God's judgement on the disobedient souls in Noah's time. If it was their right to disobey God, why cry loud when God enforce his own right of judgment.

Who gave man the soul that’s responsible for the carnality of mankind?
Who created the soul that’s responsible for the carnality of mankind?

If the only correct thing to do is to obey him why did he not create man without the ability to disobey?
Since you can’t use your freewill what then is the use of the freewill?

If using my rights will make you punish me, why then did you give me the right?

SIRTee15:
Are we being rational here or just trying to proof a point?
Let's take God out of it for a while.
U plan to spend next year April in Abuja. U decided to change plan today and stay in Lagos next year april. What influenced that decision? u just made it because u want to or because of factors that influenced the decision u made in your heart?
That's why I said God knows your heart because that's where all your decision comes from.

You’re finding it difficult to defend your omniscience deity.
Plans can change at the last minute, and since your god does not know exactly what will happen, if my plan will change or not, how then does he know your future?

Your god is reacting to my actions after i made it.

If god knows your heart where your decision comes from how then do you have freewill?

OLAADEGBU:
The Insanity Of Atheism!!

Your god creates insane babies until they receive jesus?
So your god didn’t create perfect beings but mentally unsound beings
What a loving god

OLAADEGBU:
Atheism Is Insanity!!

That god should automatically start gifting new born babies “eternal life” the same way he automatically gifts babies legs and hands. Your god should create “perfect beings”.
It’s only an insane god that will create people without a gift then remember later to gift them.

SIRTee15:
Now we finally get there. Thank u Jesus.
Why don't u want to follow God? Remember Paul was more obstinate than yourself but ended up working for God.
Instead of arguing here on choices, why don't u embrace Christ fully and check out those beautiful choices he has for u.
It's more productive than debating on original sin or choices.

Yes you are starting to see your god doesn’t know all things.
Since your god does not know if I’ll follow him or not how then does he know my exact choice this time next year?

Follow a dummy Israelite god called yahweh to where?
Remember you read about one paul in a forged and edited book.

Why should I embrace christ?

seems to me that your Lord God has merely created man to watch him suffer. This business of Satan, the Garden of Eden and free will is merely a facade. God merely wanted an excuse to harass, persecute, torment and oppress mankind. If an all-powerful and all-knowing being creates everything, and allows his creations to react in a certain way, he actually intended them to act in that way and is solely responsible for the results.

OLAADEGBU:
The blood of Jesus!

Jesus is yahweh abi
When Your creator died for 3 days, who was running the world then?

[quote author=OLAADEGBU post=122680436][/quote]And yet his father sacrificed the precious blood to himself or did jesus sacrifice his own blood to himself?
Jesus is yahweh right?

OLAADEGBU:
Don’t Make That Mistake!!

Only if your god was omniscience.

SIRTee15:
Let me make it real for u.
GOD KNOWS THE EXACT CHOICE U WILL MAKE THIS SAME TIME NEXT YEAR IF U CHOOSE TO FOLLOW HIM. HE ALSO KNOWS THE EXACT CHOICE U WILL MAKE THIS SAME TIME NEXT YEAR IF U CONTINUE TO DISOBEY HIM
THE CHOICE IS FOR YOUR SOUL TO MAKE.

Your god does not know IF i will follow him or not. Your god does not know everything.
your god does not know the choice you’ll make between obeying him or not?

Since your god does not know if I’ll follow him or not how then does he know my exact choice this time next year?
You are contradicting yourself.

SIRTee15:
I think u need to do some readings on Christian theological definition of man. I sincerely don't know how to help u.
Hands and feet are not nature of man as per Christian theology. There are people without hands and feet but are very much alive. They are part of his body not nature.

Why don’t you start to learn what THEO mean in theological and help yourself?

Read what i said “ Is man's nature a part of man, just as hands and feet are a part of man?”
I didn’t say hand and feet are man’s nature.

SIRTee15:
I already answered this. Your exact choice isn't abstract. It's as a result of your thoughts and what's filled in your heart. You can't make an exact choice of spending this evening drinking alcohol in the pub if u dont drink. So God knows your heart and knows what your next exact choice will be even without u making it.
Now the question is do u know your exact choice for same time next year. Do u know EXACTLY if u would be debating with me this next time next year on Christian theology on nairaland. The answer is NO, You don't even know where u will be same time next year no matter your definition of exact choice.
But GOD knows, WHY? because he's all knowing. All your future is already in his hands whether u turning left or right.
That's the definition of all knowing.

People that drink started one day.
If god knows your exact choice before you made it how then do you have freewill?
Now you are changing mouth, your god does not know possible choices now he knows your exact choice?

How does your god know what I’ll be doing next year if I decided to change my thoughts this evening?
How was he able to plan what will happen in the future?

If all your future is in his hands that means you are a robot doing exactly what yahweh wants you to do.

[quote author=OLAADEGBU post=122680149][/quote]He created animals before adam right?
How did he know the world will be demonic?

OLAADEGBU:
Evolution Vs Reality…

What has reality got to do with fantasy?

Ray Comfort

Talking about fantasy, yahweh worshipper.

OLAADEGBU:
Says the man who believes he a primate.

Are you not a mammal or you “believe” you are a mammal??

OLAADEGBU:
Fantasy…

Belief in evolution.

Ray Comfort

Do you “believe” in gravity?

OLAADEGBU:
Adam Brought Death To The Adamic Race…

The question should be “Who brought death?”

Ray Comfort

Brought death from where? His anus?

SIRTee15:
He knows ALL THE CHOICES AVAILABLE, HE KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT U WHICHEVER WAY U TURN and the eventual outcome. Nothing takes him by surprise.

An all knowing god has no business with “available choices” that’s GAMBLING, an all knowing god knows EXACTLY the choice you’ll make.

Using your logic your god does not know what will happen tomorrow, he only knows what can possible happen, i can also do that.

Look up what omniscience means

SIRTee15:
It's not clear what u getting at here? God made man including his 2 hands and feet which is his body.
Sorry u not making yourself clear with your repeated body question.

My question is simple enough it’s you that’s complicating it.

Is man's nature a part of man, just as hands and feet are a part of man?

God made man and that same God is angry at what he made lol

SIRTee15:
Let's define all knowing God.
This doesn't mean he has a fixed destiny for u with definite outcome without any alternative. No that's not all knowing but pre-destination.
God only pre-destined for those who have commited their lives fully to him and surrendered to his will totally. His children who have said 'God take my soul, it's yours. Let your will be done in my life'
For the rest of mankind, God's desire is to bring us into his fold. He knows the pathway u taking will definitely lead to destruction if u continue in it- he knows those choices and the eventual outcome, either present or the future.
However he has another future for sinners if they can revert from their evil ways and turn to him. Thats a choice u have to make.
So according to above, God knows your future if you continur to disobey him but also knows a better future for u if u embrace him and come into his fold.
That is the meaning of all knowing God. He knows ALL THE CHOICES AVAILABLE, HE KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT U WHICHEVER WAY U TURN and the eventual outcome. Nothing takes him by surprise.

But god does not know if i will continue to disobey him or not?
How does your god know the future if he does not even know the exact choice I’ll pick in the next 1 minute?

YOUR GOD DOES NOT KNOW THE EXACT CHOICE I WILL PICK, he only knows available choices.
If he doesn’t know the exact choice I’ll pick, when i do it will suprise him.
Your god does not know EVERYTHING. Your god is not all knowing.

OLAADEGBU:
Why Did Jesus Die?

Good Question?

Ray Comfort

Who created death?
Your god didn’t create everything?