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SIRTee15:
Ok I have heard u.
But I will like to discuss initial post with someone else.
Thanks.

Elohim and Allah means same thing.

SIRTee15:
Allah is not Elohim. Allah was a vague god in pre Islamic Arabia who had three daughters and considered god of rain.
Muhammad made him God Almighty.
I don't know what u getting on about tanakh or Torah. Did I ever argue that with u?

Allah and Elohim means same thing, yahweh was an orphan god that was adopted by the Israelites from shasu tribe.
In arabic, god means allah and it’s same with Hebrew elohim.

The quran uses the same god of tanakh and Old Testament z

SIRTee15:
Ok but above has absolutely nothing to do with my initial post.
My reference is to who spoke to Muhammad?

It does. “Allah is the same person as Muhammed. If u know, u know.“
So Elohim and muhammed are the same?

You should direct your reference to the Quran on who spoke to mohammed.

Hope you know that your Old Testament belongs to judaism and they call it tanakh, christians borrowed it from them.
Most of what is written in tanakh especially torah is found in the quran and christian bible.

SIRTee15:
What did I say that's different. I wrote hebrew word for God is elohim. Yes it could be plural or singular depending on context. The verb qualifies it.
Actually it's Aramaic and Arabic that are closely related not Hebrew.
What's the aramaic word for God? That's the one similar to Allah.
Seriously the Christian God is Yahweh? Are u saying Yahweh isn't in the old testament. Yahweh is the personal name the ancient nation of Israel call God.

Elohim means gods in hebrew and it’s always plural.
Eloah is the singular.
Allah and Elohim means same thing and they are titles given to deities.
the language jesus spoke in NT is aramaic, and Aramaic, arabic and hebrew all come from semitic language.

Yahweh is the god of the Israelite of course he is in the tanakh.

Ken4Christ:
It's on account of his mercy that he saved us. But it will require your cooperation to make it vital in your life. Well, the choice is yours. If you think it's a joke, I wish you severe torture in the burning flame since that's what you want.

So your god doesn’t know the exact number of people that will go to hell?

SIRTee15:
U this girl follow me reach here
Elohim is the Hebrew word for God. I get my understanding of him in the bible. If u want to discuss elohim with me pls use the bible, otherwise I'm not interested.
God is a spirit and those that worship him must worship in spirit and in truth. John 4.24

You this ignorant lady, Elohim means gods in hebrew.
Your Old Testament was written in Hebrew, if you want to know what Elohim means you find out from the Hebrew language.
The same way Elohim is the hebrew word for god, allah is the arabic word for god.
The christian god is yahweh, he is an Elohim, moloch is also an elohim, baal is also an Elohim, the father of all Elohim is El.

Spirit means breathe. Save yourself from ignorance.

Elohim and Allah means same thing just different languages but from the same parent language. (Semetic).

jaephoenix:
3. You seem not to understand the plot. Yahweh knew all along that man would sin again after even after he destroys us with the flood. So why kill everyone in the first place? Why not kill his son first ab initio instead of the flood, since he is so bloodthirsty.

The flood plan was ineffective, sacrificing his own child, jesus too was ineffective.
This yahweh na dullard abeg.

SIRTee15:
Which Allah and elohim is the same. Allah that has two big hands and occupy space as his divine nature.
Elohim is a spirit and invisible.

Do you know that when jesus was alive in your NT he spoke aramaic, what’s god in aramaic language?

SIRTee15:
Which Allah and elohim is the same. Allah that has two big hands and occupy space as his divine nature.
Elohim is a spirit and invisible.

Allah and Elohim means same thing, Elohim means gods, the father of all gods is El.
What does “spirit and invisible” mean? All these formulated terminologies that makes no sense. Instead of you to have knowledge on what you are saying you’d rather regurgitate what your shepherds told you.

“Elohim is a spirit and invisible.“lol

SIRTee15:
I mean the deity worshiped in the Koran.
The one Muhammed said spoke to him.
Are u a Muslim? I thought u are atheist or agnostics or something.
No one spoke to Muhammad, he is the same person as Allah.
Even feminist Aishat finally decoded the trick. That was why she had the confidence to destroy some parts of the Koran kept under her custody, then claimed a goat entered her room and ate them.

The deity worshipped in the koran existed before mohammed was born.
Look up on the word “allah”
Allah and Elohim means same thing.

An atheist is someone that doesn’t believe in gods.

SIRTee15:
Allah is the same person as Muhammed. If u know, u know.

Do you know that allah and elohim means same thing, so mohammed is elohim?
Bwahahahah

SIRTee15:
Allah is the same person as Muhammed. If u know, u know.

Mohammed father name is Abd Allah bin Al-Muttalib.
Abdulahi means slave of Allah.
Seems “Allah” existed before mohammed was born.

teebagy:
u are free to believe whatever u want to.

I don’t believe stories, I know them.
Your god knows everything even your thoughts and at the same time you have freewill lol

teebagy:
God doesent create evil. God warned adam not to eat from d tree of death and knowing good and evil but to eat from the other trees but adam and eve disobeyed GOD Through satan. Thats y god departed from them and sent them out of d garden.

So your god didn’t create everything, a powerful god must have created evil cause it’s more prevalent.

Did Yahweh know that adam would sin yet created adam to sin?
Yahweh has merely created man to watch him suffer. This business of Satan, the Garden of Eden and free will is merely a facade. Yahweh merely wanted an excuse to harass, persecute, torment and oppress mankind. If an all-powerful and all-knowing being creates everything, and allows his creations to react in a certain way, he actually intended them to act in that way and is solely responsible for the results.

teebagy:
God could have done that but he would have created a robot. Once u have frewill u choose ur destination and accept d consquences of ur action. But GOD Is love and gives us chances to repent.

Did Yahweh create man the way he intended to?
He created man to be able to sin and he knew that Adam would sin before adam even sinned yet he punished adam for sinning after already knowing and intentionally making adam sin.

Queenttoast01:
No peace for the wicked, repent, be forgiven and be save

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Proverbs 16:4 – Yahweh has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble

Advice yahweh.

teebagy:
Yes He knew.

So before adam even sinned he already knew lol and you have freewill. How did he know that adam will sin?

Could God have created man so he could not sin? Could God have created man so that he would not have sinned in this particular situation?
Or was everything going according to yahweh plan?

teebagy:
Yes HE IS.

Did Yahweh know that Adam would sin?

teebagy:
When u are giving freewill u choose d path u follow. I cannot create something and want that something to have a free will then now hide bad that exist bcoz i dont want that person to b bad.. That makes that person a robot not a human. D devil rebelled against God bcoz he had free will to. Humans rebelled against God bcoz they choose d devil over him. Have u seen any scientist that create a robot and give it freewill. Bcoz someone that has freewill is truly alive and has emotions. Just like in the movie avengers when ultron got freewill through the mindstone ultron choose to rebel against his master bcoz ultron had a choice.

Is Yahweh Omniscience?
Does yahweh knows man’s thoughts?

teebagy:
ignorance. Ignorance. . When u remove urself from anything that has life. Doesent it mean that u will b left in d dark. Just like a man ending his own life and still blaming life when his choice was death does that man have any sense?.

Jargons.
Rephrase.

teebagy:
If u disobey a person did u create disobedience . God did not create sin. Sin is a rebellion against God. Just d same way u can only have darkness when there is no light. When u refuse to tell the truth that makes the person a liar does it mean the person created a lie.

If there’s nothing like “disobedience”, then how can I disobey a person?
Sin simply means disobeying yahweh.
We have light because there’s something called “darkness”.
If there’s nothing like “lie”, then how can i lie to someone?
If there’s no lie then there’s no truth.

Ken4Christ:
Instead of making a mockery at God, think about yourself. You will find it funny when you are thrown into hell. You are neglecting the free gift of salvation offered to you.

Yahweh worshipper, Instead of living a pity life asking a jewish man to come save you and be your saviour, why don’t you acquire knowledge on what you base your life on?
Your god that you worship is a dummy orphan god that was acquired by the israelites from shasu tribe. I know the indoctrination and brainwashing has run deep but you can still think, it’s not a crime yet.

How can you be guilty of what you did not do and looking for salvation here and there.
This is guilt tripping, they’ve messed with you guys.
If you don’t worship yahweh and his jewish son you will be thrown inside fire while telling you that yahweh is a merciful, loving and benevolent deity, what kind of psychological twisting is that? Bwahahahahah

peter0071:
i get your point. i only use the land as an example.

but Adam stood on our behalf in his action... which automatically affected me.

nut what Jesus did is not automatic until i accept it

And your land analogy is a bit flawed.
Stood on whose behalf? When did humanity ask adam to stand on our behalf? Why is it automatic but not for jesus?
Who did jesus stood on his behalf?

You’ve not been able to explain clearly.

peter0071:
no you re partly wrong... let me give you an instance.

if my dad sells the Family land, it automatically affects me loosing the land. However, if another later buys the land and hands it back to me, i must accept the land documents before it becomes mine.

Just like you rightfully said, Adam made a decision that affected me automatically... However, with Jesus Redemption, i must accept what He did for me, before it becomes mine.

God bless you

But your father(family) land is not yours until it is given to you and you willingly accept it with the land documents.

Adam made a decision why are you automatically paying for it?
Why don’t you also “ i must accept what He did for me, before it becomes mine.”??

ochibuogwu5:
"For if by the trespass of the one (Adam), death reigned through the one (Adam), much more surely will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in [eternal] life through the One, Jesus Christ.
18 So then as through one trespass [Adam’s sin] there resulted condemnation for all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. 19 For just as through one man’s disobedience [his failure to hear, his carelessness] the many were made sinners, so through the obedience of the one Man the many will be made righteous and acceptable to God and brought into right standing with Him." (Romans 5:17-19 AMP)

people should not repent since jesus death made us non sinners automatically just as adam sin made us sinners automatically.

Who is the publisher that jesus is serving his punishment?
This punisher wanted a whole human being life as punishment wow.
Who created man’s nature?
Who created “all human beings” that are susceptible to sin?

If a creator creates a whole batch of error-products that are bad and spoils easily who are we to blame, the creator or the products?

ochibuogwu5:
"For if by the trespass of the one (Adam), death reigned through the one (Adam), much more surely will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in [eternal] life through the One, Jesus Christ.
18 So then as through one trespass [Adam’s sin] there resulted condemnation for all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. 19 For just as through one man’s disobedience [his failure to hear, his carelessness] the many were made sinners, so through the obedience of the one Man the many will be made righteous and acceptable to God and brought into right standing with Him." (Romans 5:17-19 AMP)

Because of adam we are sinners, because of jesus we are no more sinners, so there’s no more “sin” again right?
Man was only a sinner because of adam, and now man is a non sinner because of jesus right?
And people should not repent since jesus death made us non sinners automatically just as adam sin made us sinners automatically

ochibuogwu5:
Jesus died to serve the punishment *the sin-nature of all human being deserved in the disobedience of Adam and Eve in the garden* and reconcile *all human being to God Our Father as His Sons*


"For all human being have sinned and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)

Who is the publisher that jesus is serving his punishment?
This punisher wanted a whole human being life as punishment wow.
Who created man’s nature?

Who created all human beings that are susceptible to sin?

If a creator creates a batch of errors that are prone to spoil easily who are we to blame, the creator or the creations?

ochibuogwu5:
There is a personal, particular, peculiar word from God for each of us now, if only we can open our own individual bibles and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal His proceeding/rhema word *for this current season of our lives*; YES, open your bible to that passage that He has dropped in your spirit now.......

Yahweh worshipper, why did jesus die?

teebagy:
Humans and d devil did. Darkness is an absent of light just d same way death is d absence of life.

So your god didn’t create everything. What else did your god not create?
How did human and devil create darkness?
What else can humans create?
“Light is the absent of darkness just the same way life is the absence of death.”

SIRTee15:
Gen 11.6.

your god preferred people to be disunited?

SIRTee15:
If it doesn't bother u that there was only one good fellow on earth at a particular time, then it showed u just here to argue blindly.
I asked If u could survive in sambisa as the only good person, u avoided the question.
Someone like u will start shouting insecurity in Nigeria when it's only sporadic cases of kidnapping, armed robbery and thuggery. But Noah lived in an era when everyone around him was evil and scheming wickedness.
U kept hammering on a needless point instead of reading gen 11.6 as I instructed u.
Pls don't expect a response from me anymore unless your argument is constructive. From conspiracy theories to sounding like a playing cracked disc.

One Good fellow on earth How did you know, which area was noah situated?
How many continents did they say he reach to warn them?

Your sambiasa analogy lacks zero sense.

Are you saying the rate of violence now is lesser than before because of the flood?
If everyone around noah was evil and scheming wickedness, how was noah and his family alive?
How was noah able to successfully build the boat/ship?