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LienwaltAbel:
And it also said this, if you don't know what decline means, i can't help your case.

“For strategic and economic benefits”
Where is the frail? Where is the weakness?
And how did “Christianity” help Constantine to boost economic benefits

Are you reading what you posting?

LienwaltAbel:
And it also said this, if you don't know what decline means, i can't help your case.

“For strategic and economic benefits”
Where is the frail? Where is the weakness?
And how did “Christianity” help Constantine to boost economic benefits

Are you reading what you post?

AllenforGOD:
he told us that he's the only way to heaven,jesus saith"for i'm the way the truth and life no one cometh unto my father except by means of me"so jesus said again"anyone who beleives in me shall have eternal life"the eternal lid signifies heaven,so if thoust beleive in jesus you shall see heaven,if thou die not beleiving in jesus goeth hell,except ye beleives in him you shall enter the kingdom of hell.choose either of these
Heaven=eternal life.
Hell=death and eternal torment choose wisely my bro/sis

Hell means Gehenna, seems Roman Catholic told you a different thing?

Think wisely brother

LienwaltAbel:
Okay. Since you made that logical conclusion from all that it's fine. You can read this lastly:
https://www.britannica.com/place/Roman-Empire/Height-and-decline-of-imperial-Rome

Chrestian,The link said this

And explain how a small sect could be valuable to the Roman Empire.

Karnice600:
That's a fat lie.
How did King Solomon's name got to Africa, that the Queen of Sheba knew him? Was it by the sword?
How did the Ethiopian Eunoch in Africa got to know about Jesus and was eager to know more, until Philip was sent to him? Crusaders abi?
History has it that Jesus' fame went ahead of him to places that he didn't even reach while on earth. Who be Crusaders? Was John Welsley a Crusader? Was Fanny Crosby or Katherine Kulman a Crusader?
Someone ask prayed on his knees for God to give him Scotland or else he dies. A radical move that saw massive conversion in Scotland.
Or you mean Reinhard Bonnke of blessed memory was a crusader too. Or Kenneth Hagin of blessed memory, or Benson Idahosa of blessed memory, you mean they were also Crusaders?
Do you know how many millions of people converted to Christians round the world because of these men's expressions?
The numbers are still counting, irrespective of terrorists attack on churches and you're telling me Christianity no for spread if not for Crusaders.

This convo is becoming stale.

What year did all this happen?
Can you show me where you read the history

LienwaltAbel:
İf you are looking for a direct link where some popular historian said that the Roman empire was frail at the time. I'm sorry you won't find one, you'll have to first look at the state of the empire at the time, and make a logical conclusion based on your observations. Where wars constant during the time? Was there a financial crisis in the empire? Where there uprisings and many claims to the throne? Was the empire fractioned and ruled by different factions with different allegiances and ideologies? İf three or two out of the four conditions I've mentioned are true, then one can comfortably come to the conclusion that the empire was in a frail state.

Those are a list of rebellions and uprisings that took place during the 4th century, and it was in this same century that Constantine converted to Christianity. You can also read this article to understand more about the state of the empire at the time:
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.historyhit.com/emperor-constantines-victories-and-re-unification-of-the-roman-empire/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwi0zsHT79T4AhXZ4YUKHfqxD8wQFnoECAQQAg&usg=AOvVaw097BgDQXzC8_x6vomfT3Vu

Now Constantine reunited the empire under one rule and did away with fractional rule, but this wasn't really the best. The 5th century was enough proof of that.

There was never a time the Roman Empire was frail, the links you sent prove they were getting stronger.

LienwaltAbel:
By the time of Constantine's conversion the colonies of the empire were already in a bad shape, ceaseless rebellions and revolutions strained the empire badly. Go down to the 4th century section in this link:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_civil_wars_and_revolts

The 5th century was the final fll of the empire (i won't call it a complete fall though). Rome was sacked by the Vandals in 410AD due to its terrible military state, and the last emperor, Romulus Augustus, was also deposed by Odoacer in 476AD.

İf not for seun's bots i would have done some more research

Bro there’s nothing like that.

AllenforGOD:
yes i'm right, he died for you and i,he did a very wonderful and glorious thing,just to make you and i justified b4 his father<GOD

Go on Chrestian, what else did your shepherd tell you?

Lol

Lilfire:
Baba they use money fine encounter for Christianity how is that possible, Bible say sake me and you will find me, no body will help you bro no even the pope it is a personal thing that only you can do for your self, coming her to cry foul because you want the easier way out will no help, knowledge they say is power it is for a reason like this, at the right time I believe you will fine your way back home where you belong

Truly knowledge is power.

LienwaltAbel:
And the natives of places where the peaceful Christian colonisers arrived that didn't accept religion, what do you think happened to them? Besides old Christian sects like the coptics in Africa, and the Church of Antioch, the foremost Christian sect was the one established after Constantine converted. Do note that:
The Roman empire at the time was a large empire that occupied much of Europe and north africa, so when Constantine converted, it allowed for easy spread of Christianity;
Roman empire at the time was frail and was about to fall apart so Constantine needed Christianity for a sort of unification amongst it's subjects.
İf this isn't colonialism's hardwork, i don't know what it is.

Islam didn't convert everyone they conquered. Andalusia ie modern Spain and Portugal can attest to that. Non Muslims had to pay a form of tax or convert to avoid taxes. Guess what, when the Moors finally left Andalusia, Muslims and Jews were forced to convert or we're even q

Can you send a link where you read that Roman Empire was frail and about to fall,by who?

Karnice600:
Sure. I mentioned that earlier.
The horse riders with the cross emblem.

They killed other “Christian sects” that are not part of the nicene creed.

Without crusaders, Christianity won’t have spread.

I don’t think there’s any religion that has killed more people than Christianity.

snookcg:
It shows to be that no matter how hard we try, that Supreme BEING will forever be an unsolved equation and can only be if and when he is ready to reveal.
We talking about earth being billions of years old. Nigeria self nor get 5000 years memory or archeological evidence of existence to start with.

This is what you said about Big Bang theory, why don’t you use the same standard?
That’s hypocrisy.

snookcg:
What big bang!? Even the big bang is subject to debate and are backed by questionable theories and practicals and has been changed by new evidences and items taken from the moon. Make una dey watch una DStv Discovery channels well. Every chemistry physics of this world is a subject to all new proven calculations and evidence.

Now using the same standard you use for Big Bang theory, isn’t the religion narratives more dumb?

Kobojunkie:
1. Really? You condemn the man who firsts invented knives?

God didn't make wicked people. He instead made man good. Then he gave to man the choice of good and evil, and man chose evil.

2. That's irrational thinking there since you have absolutely no way of confirming that what I know isnt in fact the absolute Truth. You instead assume it isn't because you would rather believe so than trust me claim.

Who invented knives? Is the inventor also all knowing?

Karnice600:
Good findings.
Forceful expansion wasn't and isn't a Scriptural doctrine for Christians unlike islam . Colonialism wasn't driven by the quest to spread religion. Religious influence just like cultural influence, was a by product colonization. Its different from the case of what fell Constantinople and the Usman Dan Fodio quest to spread a religion.

Heard of the “crusaders”?

Righteousness2:
All around the world, we are seeing Severe shortages of Food, gas, goods and services,etc
We are witnessing unprecedented Heat, Fire, rainfall, earthquakes, Drought, Dryness, Pestilences, Famines, volcanoes? Tornadoes and much more.

GOD ALMIGHTY in HIS infinite Grace and Mercies in the last seconds of the Last days is trying to shake the world out of complacency.

The 7 yrs tribulation is fast approaching and it's events are casting its shadows on us.
Following the Imminent Rapture of true believers to Heaven, the Undiluted and Unadulterated wrath of GOD will be poured out on an Unrepentant and rebellious world.

Folks, it is time to get serious with GOD. It is time to Embrace JESUS Christ with all our Hearts and mind as our Lord and Saviour.
What will be here after the rapture is better not imagined.
There is no more time! JESUS is at Door.

You mean Judas of Galilee?


And have you read on the days of slavery, that lasted thousands of years?

Eddygourdo:
from my description and your response, it is clear you aren't at the level for me to this type of conversation with, if that is what you understood from all I said. Do not make the error to assume I wanted to convince you to believe In God. I do not care at all what you believe in. Even God doesn't care. Take care bro.

From your level and response I know you are a Chrestian.
God is a title not a person, hope you know Chrestian.

tiger28:
Sooooo the big bang made your nose , eyes, reproductive organs to make Babies, your liver etc

Some of you have been Sooooo deceived to even argue with.

Atheism is Human's "Convenient" excuse to do as they wish without any restraint!

A man can now go and kill many, thinking there is no repercussion or consequence.

And so many theists has killed because of theism.

aribisala0:
Goodbye

Stop lying profusely to defend your deity.
“UN nation approved” meaning, wtf is that??. Post your citations you can’t, post screenshot of dictionaries you read you can’t.

Goodbye Chrestian.

2016easy2017:
If you see a god, then it's not THE GOD. its the devil. Satan. Beware. He could meet you in dreams and so on

Devil is a title not a person.

aribisala0:
Is there need for quarrel ? You sound like a very bitter person
What is driving this need to prevail
Don't you have other areas in your life to feel accomplished
You are boring me
I really am not interested in this anymore. Just leave me in peace. You have some friends don't you? Talk to them.I am not your friend OK. I am ignorant OK. You done try better rest

Ad hominem, who is quarreling with a Chrestian?

You see how you are ignorant of what “theism” and “atheism” is, Monolatrist.

You the one that sounds bitter and sad, run monolatrist.

Karnice600:
You can't even spell Christian. Smh
Was just a waste of time.
All these juveniles

Dummy doesn’t know the origin of the word.

Just follow follow like a sheep that you are, dumb Chrestian.

aribisala0:
This is pointless . Words arrive in the vocabulary one day and they have several meanings as time passes
Gay used to mean happy now it means Homosexual
Atheist is A SYNONYM of agnostic
My point is that there is more than one dictionary and more than one meaning in the many dictionaries I know. If that is not you view fine but it is mine. You cannot force me to accept yours because I won't .I heard you why the quarrel?
Must we converse. It is clear I won't persuade you and you won't persuade me so why not just accept that this is pointless and leave me alone please?

Athiest comes from atheos, keep displaying your ignorance.
You are a THIEST. Only if you known the meaning monolatrist.

aribisala0:
This is pointless . Words arrive in the vocabulary one day and they have several meanings as time passes
My point is that there is more than one dictionary and more than one meaning in the many dictionaries I know. If that is not you view fine but it is mine. You cannot force me to accept yours because I won't .I heard you why the quarrel?
Must we converse. It is clear I won't persuade you and you won't persuade me so why not just accept that this is pointless and leave me alone please?

Chrestian stop lying.
Why don’t you screenshot the definition of those dictionaries.
Lying profusely to defend your deity.

The word “theism” comes from Greek, stop being a dumb Chrestian.

Karnice600:
I believe this conversation was for information exchange which should reflect simplicity and clarity in every sense. There are lots of people reading this post who would appreciate simplified terms than some historical "jargons".
You just stated what I stated. The last line, I don't think it's necessary. Keep It Short & Simple (K.I.S.S)

You are the one worshipping “historical jargons” so here we are

Karnice600:
I believe this conversation was for information exchange which should reflect simplicity and clarity in every sense. There are lots of people reading this post who would appreciate simplified terms than some historical "jargons".
You just stated what I stated. The last line, I don't think it's necessary. Keep It Short & Simple (K.I.S.S)

You are ignorant of these topic, which dumb information are you giving?
Why you don’t research on what “theism” and “atheism” is, huh Chrestian and proud monolatrist?

aribisala0:
English and comprehension is your problem. Did you comprehend what you read?
There is no need for this exchange . It is pointless
You strike me as someone with INTERNAL QUARREL looking for a sparring partner>
I am not looking for quarrel so can we end this please

You are ignorant of what “theism” and “atheism” is.

It seems one has to be intentionally dumb to be a Chrestian.

Why don’t you kindly check the meaning of both and come back?

Sheep talking about “United nations” wtf is that?
Post the link to your “citations”.

aribisala0:
No I am not there is not one United Nations approved definitions
Some citations cite it as
DISBELIEF
whilst other cite it as
UNBELIEF
and some dictionaries actually cite agnostic as a synonym of atheist.

Just so we do not derail and unnecessarily widen to other argument this thread is about Atheist . So let us not get into theism and atheism but stick to Atheist which is a personified noun just like Agnostic

The simple truth is that there is more than one dictionary definition and all you need to do is do a Google search for a SYNONYM for ATHEIST you will find AGNOSTIC. The distinction is splitting hairs and often does not exist in reality

There is no point to this though ,just self indulgence . Let us not derail the thread
Do not be in a rush to go around calling people ignorant. Look in the mirror and be mindful of the limits of what you think you know

“United nations approved” what?
You think you are talking to your fellow sheeps?

Post the links to all your false claim Chrestian.

Where does the origin of the word “atheism” and “theism” comes from?

Karnice600:
You're getting me wrong. Before most atheists became what they are, they would ve probably searched and tried different medium , researched on various ideologies to arrive at a conclusion, logical to them, that there isn't or aren't superior beings as origins or influencers of life.
I am a theist. An arrogant one, not an agnostic ( what I used to be as a Church goer before I did my researches to arrive at what I am and have right now) .
And why I chose Yahweh?
That's because HE'S like the Sun that's a pivotal Truth. Irrespective of your location or what you believe, you can see it reflect in your sky, whether obscured or vivid.
I researched on different religious scripts, on Bhuddism, Taoism and the Religions tied to Abrahamic beliefs. Only three of these all turned out to be most dominating in the world's history. Islam, Judaism and Christianity. Only these three have compatibility with science discoveries and are quite ahead of it.
Don't ask me how I narrowed it down to one.
Religious space is the last place I'll wanna pick an argument.

Theist means you BELIEVE in god/gods, when you go further to WORSHIP a belief you fall in these categories.
Im afraid you are a proud monolatrist.

aribisala0:
The point about pointless arguments is they end up pointless.
There really is no point to this is there?

You are ignorant of what “theism” and “atheism” is.
Learn that first.

And among the types of theism I suspect you are a monolatrist

naija4life247:
gods of Ogun, Sango, Obatala, Aiyelala and Esu Odara exist. If you doubt it, ask their worshippers that what is their abominations, then do it. We will meet on the judgement day when you will tell me how the story ended.

For the God of all other gods, that is our Father in Heaven, He is so Merciful, that He will always forgive you because He loves you.

Ooh, out of all the deities, it’s your own deity that’s right, and that’s Yahweh right?
And it is Yahweh judgment day we will go to not allah day? Or hades, brother of Zeus?