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budaatum:
Really, May? So, if I am your saviour, I must be Christ, right? I can't just be a person who saved you from say, hunger, or being hit by a bus?

Savior is a English word.. what do they call savior in Zoroastrian?
Call them by their name, and leave messiah for the Hebrew

budaatum:
They both mean saviour, May.

That means they both mean Christ.

“Savior” is a English word same as “christ”
There’s a word for what savior mean in Hebrew and Zoroastrian.

budaatum:
Do they have to speak Hebrew to have a messiah, May? Can Zoroastrians not call their saviour Saoshyant, which what you posted is their messiah?

Perhaps focus on the concept instead of the person Christianity embodies their messiah in. It might help you understand it better.

Messiah is a Hebrew word.
Saoshyant is a Zoroastrian word.

According to what you posted, it was saoshyant they call not messiah. It’s a different language.

budaatum:
Did Zoroastrians get their messiah from the Hebrews, May, or is it your claim they never had a messiah?

Did the zoroastrians speak Hebrew? What language did they speak? Now translate it to that to know what they said.
Messiah is a Hebrew word.

The Zoroastrians called their concept of messiah —-saoshyant.

budaatum:
So, they have to call messiahs messiah before you see they are messianic?

Sorry, but my brain does not work like yours seems to.

Bro read na

They said related concept but it originated from where?

budaatum:
Please stop with the strawmanning! I've never said the Jesus story had any other "start"!

The Bible, as we know it today, is the only place you'd find the Jesus story, May. Well, that, and in other related texts that never got into the Bible.

The ideas in the story are not only Hebrew, however, as you'd find if you research some. The Hebrews, if by that you mean the Israelites, never even accepted the Jesus story, but called it a Greek story.

Why are you fighting it?

budaatum:
I do not expect any different from you. You know of messianism from the Bible alone and can not consider it not being unique to the Bible.

What are you doing bro.
“Messiah” is gotten from Hebrew, the name.. they were talking about the “messiah concept” of other religion.
Did they call them messiah in that other religion?

budaatum:
Please stop with the strawmanning! I've never said the Jesus story had any other "start"!

The Bible, as we know it today, is the only place you'd find the Jesus story, May. Well, that, and in other related texts that never got into the Bible.

The ideas in the story are not only Hebrew, however, as you'd find if you research some. The Hebrews, if by that you mean the Israelites, never even accepted the Jesus story, but called it a Greek story.

Keep deceiving yourself.

budaatum:
Wherever the word messiah may have been gotten from, you are aware the idea of saviour itself is not Hebrew, shown by evidence that others had saviours long before Christ in the link you yourself posted.

Or would you like to claim Jesus is the only saviour?

The Jesus story started from the Hebrew Bible, stop fighting it
Hebrew Bible was written in Hebrew not English. Savior is a English word.

[quote author=budaatum post=112153060][/quote]It’s gotten from Hebrew stop fighting it.

Messiah is gotten from Hebrew And translated to Christos(Greek)

Why don’t you want to face reality? Budaatum

Beware of Witnesses of Jehovah.

budaatum:
Must they be from the lineage of david and Abraham?

The New Testament said so, or is that the dumb part of the book?

budaatum:
Messiah is not gotten from Hebrew, and there were lots of messiahs long before Christos.

And the writing is not dumb once you realise it is pointing you where to seek, but if you do not go seeking, you'd get the dumb version and you'd ignorantly believe it.

Messiah is gotten from Hebrew. And translated to Christ.

It was you that said it was a dumb down version, remember?

budaatum:
You must have never heard of Asar, Aset, and Heru.

https://daily.jstor.org/a-holy-trinity-in-ancient-egypt/#:~:text=In%20ancient%20Egypt%E2%80%94or%20Kemet,%2C%20and%20Horus%2C%20respectively.)

Are they of Jewish origin like jesus that comes from the lineage of david and Abraham?

budaatum:
Well, depending on how you take it of course.

If for believing, then yes, dumb. For as Christ is written to have said, "the lame walk, blind see, deaf hear, dumb talk". Only to the poor is the Gospel preached.

P.s. I know you'd understand those words biblically. It's not how I've meant them.

It was you that said it was. So you are cherry picking the part you want in a dumb down version..
When they said Jesus was the word they were smart,but they were dumb in writing the rest?

Christos is gotten from Greek and gotten from Hebrew means messiah.

budaatum:
The story of Jesus has no Hebrew origin, May. It was cobbled together from numerous stories about messiahs that were prevalent at the time and in history. Neither the trinity nor the resurrection are original Hebrew ideas.

The story of Jesus is from Hebrew origin, even the name is a Jewish name. Stop lying to yourself.

The trinity was the concept of the Roman Catholic.

budaatum:
How many times must I repeat that the relating was done in the prologue of the Gospel of John, May, are you not following links at all?

Here's another.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logos_(Christianity)

A dumb down version right?

budaatum:
I did not post a link to authors of the New Testament, May. We are not talking about who wrote the New Testament, but the language it was written in.

As for what is written in the Bible, it is not necessarily so, as would be sung in Porgy and Bess.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP5O_NUhrK0

New Testament is written in Greek. The story is gotten from Hebrew origin. All the references are of Hebrew origin because it’s a continuation of the Old Testament.

What’s written in the Bible is not so including jesus as Logos, or you cherry-picking?

budaatum:
The New Testament is not a continuation! It is rather a dumb down version for the masses of some Greek and Egyptian and elsewhere philosophy of the time.

Here's a link to Paul's use of his Greek knowledge.
https://biblethingsinbibleways./2013/07/14/paul-and-his-use-of-greek-philosophy/

So why then did you relate a dumb down version that contains a Jesus story to “logos”?

So Paul wrote a book in this dumb down version too?

budaatum:
I've posted links to many sources in this thread, May. And I never said logos was Paul's statement!

In fact, if you asked, I'd say Paul who was active in the writing of Luke and Acts along with many letters that make claims about Jesus, never even met him, and is responsible for the whole idea of Jesus worship, as opposed to understand Jesus teaching, of say, James.

"Faith", below, implies mere belief. James is asking you to test them to see if they are true or not.

So Paul was active in writing a book in the New Testament? They also mentioned Abraham in the New Testament too, and they said jesus has lineage with him

You posted a link to the authors of the New Testament, I must have missed it, post it again please

budaatum:
The writers of the gospel spoke Koine Greek, and that was what the New Testament was written in with lots of Greek philosophy.

The New Testament is a continuation of Greek philosophy or Old Testament? Jewish Bible.
All the references they made, was it to Greek philosophy or Jewish Bible?

budaatum:
john did not write a book in the New Testament!

It was put together by many authors over many decades long after Jesus is written to have been dead.

Who are these authors that you are basing your knowledge on Jesus? So you agree now, that logos is not Paul statement?

budaatum:
The Hebrew Bible has a lot of godification in it that was not present in Greek philosophy. Kill God, and you might understand what I'm saying.

In the link posted, you'd see logos referred to as reason, and not just word, as some claim. You'd also see the origin for the Idea expressed in John's prologue. Once you've read both the connection would be made.

It is that same Hebrew Bible with all the godification that Jesus come from. Jesus was a Hebrew he didn’t speak Greek, non of his disciples did.

AntiChristian:
You didn't even figure out you were responding to two different persons.

Na real wa!

It was you that quoted me, I wasn’t talking to you originally.

budaatum:
I did not do the relating. John did in his prologue, which he borrowed from Heraclitus who knew neither Yahweh nor Jesus.

John wrote a book in New Testament a continuation from Old Testament.. the John that wrote that verse was he alive when Jesus was?

budaatum:
Heraclitus wrote extensively about logos. And while it may be common for Nigerian education to start with God and Bible, some of us were fortunate to not have that sort of education.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Heraclitus

Did Heraclitus write about Jesus? Did he relate Jesus to logos? So where did you get the connection if not from Hebrew bible?

do4luv14:
we are talking about Adam's sin, yet you brought Isaiah, now you are bringing moses

sorry bro am done, thanks

I quoted a verse in Isaiah. Don’t be that slow.
All the accounts of heaven and hell, and Adam and eve was it not assumed that it was “Moses” that wrote it!

budaatum:
Please step out of your Bible. Logos did not start with the Bible, nor did the idea of logos start in Hebrew.

The Greeks and Egyptians were logoing long before John stole it for his gospel.

Jesus started in the Bible. Why are you relating a Greek word to the Hebrew Bible?

AntiChristian:
That's not me.

We are different but Muslims.

And Jesus was not mentioned in the verse!

Nawa oo.

budaatum:
Did you miss KnownUnknown say this was my own interpretation and understanding and meaning, and me agreeing with him?

I'm not here to fulfill any thought you may have, May, nor am I claiming any knowledge of a history of Jesus, who as far as I'm concerned may have not even existed.

Fact is, Logos predated any story about Jesus, and someone decided to infer in the Gospel of John that the two are the same thing. Now, a reasonable thinking person would know that logos is not a human being nor a God, so the question I ask is why combine the two, and what does the combination mean or imply.

Answering such questions would surely stop one bowing to idols called Jesus. Or logos, for that matter.

While calling logos, don’t forget about rhema too..
How did you arrive at relating logos to Jesus, is it not from the New Testament, did you read about Jesus from Greek?

do4luv14:
am not changing anything, was that quote made during creation, if yes then he created it, if no OYO

Which creation? Was Moses there during it?