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budaatum:
Logos is not Jew, nor is it Hebrew, and it predated Jesus, whom we read in the Gospel according to John, is Logos, which he literally plagiarised in part from Heraclitus who wrote like 500 years before Jesus.

https://mindrenewers.com/2014/12/26/word-made-flesh-the-logos-philosophy-falls-short/

Logos in the Bible got his translation from a Hebrew word. And a certain god, gave many messiahs “logos” in the Bible.
Jesus is a Hebrew, so why did you call jesus a Greek title?
What was Jesus called in the hebrew Bible? Messiah.

budaatum:
Oh so amazing Egypt where some Almighty God calls his son, Israel/Jacob and some writer years later decided to apply it to an individual called Jesus.

Is that not a sufficient allegory directing you to go seek there, Son?

You don’t know the history of the Jesus you are calling logos, lol, I thought you were more sophisticated than this. This is all your understanding??

AntiChristian:
Christians believed that not Muslims nor Jews!

But you quoted this?

budaatum:
In Buddhism, we call what you are doing, focusing on the horse and not on what it brought in on its back.

Let me know when you move past the story that personified the human ability to reason and comprehend.

“Jesus” is a Jew, and it’s origin comes solely from Hebrew Bible. Any other story you read of Jesus come from Hebrew. There was never a time they called Jesus “logos”, Jesus is a hebrew man not a greek.
Why are you afraid of this reality?

do4luv14:
throwing the question back to me right,

that chapter and verse you quoted was it during creation

I have to, this is what you asked earlier, now you are changing it

AntiChristian:
Where did Qur'an mention Judas?

Answer me first na, they said it was jesus that died on the cross?

do4luv14:
is Isaiah 45:7. creation

What do you understand by “creation”?

sonmvayina:
I don't know about that..

I bet you also don’t know that Semitic people are the one that created Aramaic.
You can google who is the god of the Semitic people.

budaatum:
"Got the story", yes, from ideas that evolved out of Egyptian and Greecian ideology and philosophy.

The blind focus on the story and fail to see the philosophy and the ideology. It's why Jesus is their God.

Egyptian, Greece and any other place got the story of Jesus from the Hebrew Bible.
Stop lying to yourself

do4luv14:
what is the same place, I asked you to show me period

Isaiah 45:7

sonmvayina:
Noo,

The original one actually written in Hebrew and Aramaic exist...

Hebrew and Arabic are gotten from Aramaic.

do4luv14:
show me where you saw him create sin

The same place he said he created all things? Or your god lied?

budaatum:
Sorry, I don't speak Hebrew, but I'm sure Google translate would help you.

Jesus didn’t speak Greek and English. He was a JEW.
Everything you know about Jesus is from Hebrew origin.

budaatum:
I learnt about Jesus from Greek and Egyptian philosophy, Mayn, and from Buddhism too. It's not about an individual called Jesus, but about what Jesus represents, which is the ability to use one's own senses instead of merely believing.

As I keep repeating, one should not read only one book!

Greek and Egyptian, any other place got the story of Jesus from the Hebrew Bible. Stop lying to yourself.
Jesus is literally gotten from Hebrew same as joshua.

do4luv14:
who told you GOD create Adam to overcome sin

was there since before creation,

wasn't Adam created during creation, was there a mention of sin during creation?

So who created sin?
And it seems now your god is not the creator of all things.

budaatum:
May, we are talking of two different things. You are focused on a person called Jesus, while I am focusing on what a person called Jesus represents. They are not the same thing.

Logos has no nationality, and Jesus is a representation for those incapable of using their own minds.

Jesus is a Jew, has Hebrew origin.. logos is not a Hebrew word. What’s logos called in Hebrew?

budaatum:
Ancient Bible speak written when eyes were dim and the gods were responsible for all things.

Indian your eyes of the gods and you might comprehend.


Even if he stayed a day, the "calling out of Egypt" would have significance to one like me who, as stated, began with Greek and Egyptian Gods. It should at least make one go find out how gods are made in Egypt, no? They did have long experience of God making after all.

Are you aware Moses got his understanding of God from Egypt too? Pity we do not have an older testament out of there, but those who would ask and knock and seek would go looking in Egypt.

So which school did you say he went to?
Jesus is not a Greek person, he is a Jew.
Read the whole verse not just hosea 11:1, what does 11:2 say?
Where did Abraham get his understanding from?

Ancient Bible was written in Hebrew, why are you lying to yourself?
Hebrew comes from the Semitic people.

budaatum:
No it wasn't, May. But if you wish to believe so I'm not fussed.

As mentioned, there is a reason for "out of Egypt I called my son".

It’s gotten from the Hebrew Bible. Even the name “jesus” is of Hebrew origin.. jesus is literally a Jew
The “out of Egypy I called my son” is gotten from Old Testament aka Hebrew Bible. Check hosea 11:2 for the reason.

budaatum:
You don't understand what I am posting here, May. You are limiting yourself to what is written in only one book, and you think I am limited too.

The New Testament clearly states that “Out of Egypt I called my son.”

The question to ponder would then be, what exactly is "my son", along with who the "I" doing the calling was, and what exactly Egypt has to do with anything, and is where I'd expect Sonmvayina to come explain what this allegory means.

Who was the father that was calling his son?
What does hosea 11:2 say?
The book you are quoting is gotten from Judaism, Torah, Old Testament, hope you know?

Jesus was a kid when he went to Egypt and he stayed for few months, which school did he go?

budaatum:
The idea of Jesus was cobbled together from numerous sources. Happypagan, I think it was, recently posted a list of numerous individuals who were messiahs like Jesus, and rose up on the third day like Jesus, and only those who read one book would claim what you are claiming here.

Below is Ptolemy being the saviour long before Christ, as was Alexander before him.



She'd, is another.

As for Logos. Aristotle and Heraclitus died long before Christ.

The idea of Jesus was gotten from the Hebrew Bible.
Messiah is a Hebrew word and it translates to Christ in GREEK.

Multiple sources yet you only use New Testament to know about Jesus. Why?
Was Aristotle a Hebrew? Was Jesus a Greek?

budaatum:
I am not only using the New Testament, or the Old!

Those who read only one book will be ignorant and malnourished!

How then did you learn about Jesus if not these 2?

[quote author=budaatum post=112149235][/quote]You don’t understand what you are posting..
Herod is a name of a king in Old Testament, and they were not talking about Jesus there.
The isreal they are calling out of Egypt is not Jesus lol, I think it was Moses.

And which “God” was doing the calling here?

budaatum:
I do agree, yet you see meaning in my interpretation. No? If I believe the story that suggests I should not eat fruits that nourish one with knowledge, I will be ignorant and a slave to those who do nourish themselves with knowledge. They will be my master and I will labour in their garden for pittance. Not even clothing, the story suggests.

You nourish yourself with fruits of knowledge, which is why you are not a believer in what you are told. No?

You are using the New Testament, a continuation of Old Testament that was written in Hebrew?

AntiChristian:
Who are the Shia? When did they split out from the main Muslims?



Wisdom tells us there's only one God who created all things.

A god is an idol that can't create itself or anything.

Who are the Sunnis, why did they split out from the main Islam. You are just giving excuses of your doctrine.

Wisdom didn’t tell you that “God” is not a Aramaic or Arabic word?

Yes exactly what your Allah is, one of the idols of the Semitic people.

budaatum:
He is written to have gone to school in Egypt where Aramaic was not the language.

Where was it written?
What year did he go?
Which school?

budaatum:
That would be lazy, and the result would be ignorance.

The Jesus story is way more than about Jesus just as Things Fall Apart is more than about Okonkwo.

Jesus is a Hebrew. He spoke Hebrew and worshipped a Hebrew god.
Everything you know about Jesus is from new Testament a continuation of Old Testament that was written in Hebrew.
Which character is your “logos” in things fall apart?

AntiChristian:
Shia splitted from the main group. I belong to the main group of Muslims.

I wrote Semite in the last response. Shem is a descendant of Noah.



Who recognizes El in Arabic as Allah?

And where do you see Allah represented by an idol?

You are saying shia separated because you are a Sunni.

History recognizes that Allah got his origin from Aramaic language, one of the language of the Semitic people.
Who is the “Semitic god”

You said semites are from Shem right?

budaatum:
I don't think understanding had got so far as Logos during Christ time. You yourself translated it to mean word, which is very far short of its intended meaning.

Perhaps see it more as the other way round, that Logos was interpreted to mean Jesus. It might help you see past the actual person named Jesus.

Logos during christ time are you serious ?
Christ is a “Greek” word that got his origin from Hebrew “messiah”
The New Testament you are using was written hundreds years after Jesus die, so what you mean during Christ time?

budaatum:
Unknown! I thought it would be obvious. My bad

Everything I write is my own understanding and interpretation, and I am in no way claiming it must mean the same to you as it does to me since you may interpret it differently.

And if you study the gospels, you'd see Jesus presenting his own meaning and understanding and interpretation. It's what people do with their own minds instead of just accepting what they are told.

Jesus story didn’t start from Greek, Jesus is literally a Hebrew. Why not start from there to know who Jesus really is for better understanding unless you have hidden sentiments.

AntiChristian:
No doubt. But Shittes still have a considerable % even if it's about 10%.


Where is the lie? Why not bring the truth with proof?
Anyways Whether Semites are from Shem or not does not define my way of life. God is independent of people, race, language, etc. Many Prophets spoke Hebrew, Some Aramaic and the last Arabic. And there can be several other languages from other nations. And yet Islam believed in their messages however extant.

So why are you not a Shia?

Shem is not even a tribe.

Allah comes from a Semitic god, EL.

haekymbahd:
Quran never said it was Judas that died.

It said it was jesus that died on the cross?

budaatum:
I guess this is where you start doing that thing you do. Not understanding the answer given to your question so you keep repeating it.

Sorry, but I am not playing your game this time.

What game?

Jesus was a Jew, is “logos” a Hebrew word?
What was “logos” called in Hebrew when Jesus was alive.
All the stories you have about Jesus is from New Testament that was written years after Jesus died. So how did they relate Jesus to logos?