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Kobojunkie:
Clearly point out the contradiction then..

Before your god created man, he knew man will do evil (imperfect) yet still went to create man knowing that man is not perfect.
You told me the tales.

Kobojunkie:
The contradiction isn't born of anything I have said so far but of the various leaps in judgement you continue to make.

You said god created man even though he knew man will do evil, he created man to do evil and suffer

Kobojunkie:
Again..... I don't know where you get these tales of yours from.. Men were created perfectly able to choose right or wrong from the beginning, this by God. So there was no mistake made as far as the creation of men.

Try to properly digest what you read before you respond.

You told me told the tales.
Your god knew man will do evil yet still created man with that evil?

You are contradicting yourself.

Kobojunkie:
Again.. Not all men turned their backs on God, mind you, and God's goal are the few that will obey Him even where the majority do not.

Try to digest before you respond abeg!

So god created all of man but chose some to suffer and a few to get to heaven. God created man to suffer?

You are contradicting yourself.

Kobojunkie:
I don't know where you get these tales of yours from.. Men were created perfectly able to choose right or wrong from the beginning, this by God. So there was no mistake made as far as the creation of men.

You said god knew and still created man that way, he knew we will be imperfect and still went ahead to do it.
So your god didn’t know that man will choose evil? And he is all knowing?

Kobojunkie:
Not all men turned their backs on God, mind you, and God's goal are the few that will obey Him even where the majority do not.

Didn’t your god know which and which men will turn back or not? Or he just hoped?

Kobojunkie:
God knew from even before the beginning everything that is to happen. And He chose not to scrap His plan because He is God and regardless of the majority that reject Him, it is the few that will choose Him and becomes Sons of God that is His goal.

He knew he created disobedient children yet still want them to follow his rule?

Is like you created a painting, after doing that you went to ease and came back, you saw the paintings you did then you got angry of how big the nose is, or how dull the eye is, exactly.

Kobojunkie:
Again... God knew man would reject Him, [/b]but He went ahead and created men anyways, than impose on men.[b] He gave to them exactly what they wanted.

What about Tynsdale?

So he knew he created imperfect humans and told them to perfect?

Kobojunkie:
If God wanted puppets, He wouldn't have created men, but God didn't want puppets - He wanted Sons or God - so He created man.

So there are some things your god doesn’t know?
How is that an “all knowing” god?
If he is not all knowing how can he be perfect?

Kobojunkie:
You are free to believe as you choose.

It’s not a belief, I know it. It’s you that chose to believe a storybook lol

Kobojunkie:
Well, OK.

Your god created man to suffer. Even a fellow human won’t do that.

Kobojunkie:
So God is to blame everything a man chooses to do evil?

Before man even knew what evil was and chose it , didn’t your god know that it is evil that man will choose?
He created man right and he knows all things?

Kobojunkie:
What was premeditated here? God's creation of man or man's will and choice to disobey God?

Everything or he is not all knowing?
Since God created man, and knew what will happen to man even before man was created to even start doing good and evil, how is that not premeditated?

Kobojunkie:
[/b] Men chose to suffer and die, this instead of obeying God.

Created the world with love? I am not sure what you mean by that at all. [b]

God gave each man what he will do? Where do you get your tale from?

[b][/b]

But you said before man was created, he already saw that man will chose to suffer and die? It was a premeditated action.
How is god the beginning and end? What do you mean when he is all mighty?
He is not all knowing, he doesn’t know our destiny.
Which god are you talking in particular? The Jehovah one or the Yahweh?
Where did you get the tale that he created the world and man without love, can a bad person create this beautiful world?

Dtruthspeaker:
As is His Right and Law.

You are very wise.

Dtruthspeaker:
God knows what He Knows and what He should know.

No Road!

Yes and he doesn’t know what he shouldn’t know.
Got it.

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Kobojunkie:
Again... God knew man would reject Him, but He went ahead and created men anyways, than impose on men. He gave to them exactly what they wanted.[b]

What about Tynsdale?

He created man to suffer then, does that look like a loving person, I thought he created the world with love?
That’s a nonchalant god, indifferent and sadistic.
Before each man was born, god has already given him what he will do as you said.

I only asked about it.

Dtruthspeaker:
I gave no definition only showed how it operates.

No Road!

Your god has knowledge in a specific area, got it.
You are very wise.

Kobojunkie:
Again....He knew and rather than impose on men, He gave to them exactly what they wanted... so why is God is the sadistic one here?

What about Tynsdale?

Again, he knew yet still created man that way? Before he gave to man didn’t he know which man will exactly want?

Are you sure this god is all knowing?
He created man to suffer since he knew man will suffer before he even created man.

I asked a question

Dtruthspeaker:
And neither do you need to know all men nor do you care to know all men nor is it your business to know all men.

So is this the definition you are giving to your god, when he said he is “all knowing” he is the one that called himself that..

Kobojunkie:
He knew and rather than impose on men, He gave to them exactly what they wanted... so why is God is the sadistic one here?

He knew yet still created man that way? Before he gave to man didn’t he know which man will exactly which?
Are you sure this god is all knowing?
He created man to suffer since he knew man will suffer before he even created man.

Kobojunkie:
[/b]God created men, and men choose to suffer and die (be returned to dust from which He created them) instead of obeying God's Will.[b]

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Hell is beyond the purview of this here discussion since Hell is only for those who claim to believe in Jesus Christ.

Before he created man didn’t he know that man will reject him? Did he create man before he realized the mistake?

Yes and we can talk about the one you know, is it from William tyndale?

Dtruthspeaker:
You are only interested in yourself being a man and because you have seen what happens to one man also happens to you, that is why you even happen to care about men!

Which is even why you are speaking to me.

Else, you would not even care.

So, No Road!

But I don’t know all about men. I don’t know what the other man is thinking. I don’t know what will happen 20 years from now or what exactly happened 20 years ago. They said your god knows all these…
Are you saying he doesn’t?

Dtruthspeaker:
Who cares about other things as long as it is well with me?

None of us would be bothered if Saturn has not eaten or if the moon is sad!

We don't care.

So your god is all knowing only in men affairs. He doesn’t know how the weather forms, how the thunder strikes, or how earth and heaven was created, his knowledge is only specific to one area?

Dtruthspeaker:
We are a specific area!

So your god knows only us, not other things? He is not smart in technology or biology?

Dtruthspeaker:
[/b]And we also have all knowing in specific areas[b] eg Steve Jobs is all knowing over his iPhone, Mr. Toyoda is definitely all knowing over his Corolla and God is definitely all knowing over his toys called man.

So god is knowing in a specific area?
You are relating your god to man now, be careful.. I told you.
We are going to use the same standard for both to know what god really meant when he said he is “all knowing” according to you.

Kobojunkie:
Again, the portion in bold is not true at all..

[/b]Again, God knew from even before He made men that He would be rejected by men.[b]

Yet still went ahead to create man not to reject him,And he created hell to put those who rejected him after knowing that man will reject him.
He created man to suffer.

Dtruthspeaker:
When you knew what a car is, you never bothered to learn how it is defined by somebody called dictionary.

That’s what education means.
Please this is so simple, all knowing means you know everything, not part or some but everything.
You relating that example to your god about me parking outside I don’t call myself all knowing the same way your god does.
Be careful of that, because it seems you are changing what god said when he said he is all knowing..
You are doing god the harm, so be careful in twisting that definition..
The definition of “all knowing” is simple.

Dtruthspeaker:
You already know the practical use and application of it, so defining what you already know, is a nullity.

Where did you get that?
Don’t confuse knowledge with education.

Dtruthspeaker:
You do not need to call yourself all knowing, to be [/b]all knowing in a particular state and condition.[b]

What’s the definition of “all knowing”?

Kobojunkie:
Man disobeying God, and men choosing Hell over God, seem like choices made by men to me.

So your god don’t know the exact number of people that will go to hell or heaven. He is hoping we accept his word, but he isn’t even certain how many will enter?
That’s a bad planner and not all knowing.

Kobojunkie:
Maybe you could explain to me then how God knowing men would reject Him, makes Him, God , a sadist?

He knew men will reject him from the start? Yet still put that any man who reject him will go to hell?

Or did he not know from start that men will reject him? It was later on that he realized and had to change the plan again to suit what man has done?