Maynman:
Before man even knew what evil was and chose it , didn’t your god know that it is evil that man will choose?
He created man right and he knows all things?

Well, OK.

Kobojunkie:
Well, OK.

Your god created man to suffer. Even a fellow human won’t do that.

Maynman:
Your god created man to suffer. Even a fellow human won’t do that.

You are free to believe as you choose.

Kobojunkie:
Why should He stop that which men continue to choose for themselves?

Are you suggesting God should impose His Will on men?

But he's god and he can make the heart of man right or cant he?

arejibadz:
But he's god and he can make the heart of man right or cant he?

Only if man chooses to have Him do so. He does not impose His Will on men neither can men impose their will on God.

Men like Abel, Abraham, Isaac, etc., had to first submit their individual wills to God in order for God to make them right.

Kobojunkie:
You are free to believe as you choose.

It’s not a belief, I know it. It’s you that chose to believe a storybook lol

schoolboymatt:


how is suffering part of religion?

persecution. Trials , tribulations not part of religion?

Kobojunkie:
Only if man chooses to have Him do so. He does not impose His Will on men neither can men impose their will on God.

Men like Abel, Abraham, Isaac, etc., had to first submit their individual wills to God in order for God to make them right.

But he created man so y cant he just have 100% right over man?

arejibadz:
But he created man so y cant he just have 100% right over man?

If God wanted puppets, He wouldn't have created men, but God didn't want puppets - He wanted Sons or God - so He created man.

Kobojunkie:
Only if man chooses to have Him do so. He does not impose His Will on men neither can men impose their will on God.

Men like Abel, Abraham, Isaac, etc., had to first submit their individual wills to God in order for God to make them right.

god knew everything that's suppose to happen but still went ahead with it , no b god create man way day kill man,didn't he know man would kill man after creation then why didn't he avoid all this things man faces on earth?

Kobojunkie:
If God wanted puppets, He wouldn't have created men, but God didn't want puppets - He wanted Sons or God - so He created man.

So there are some things your god doesn’t know?
How is that an “all knowing” god?
If he is not all knowing how can he be perfect?

Kobojunkie:
If God wanted puppets, He wouldn't have created men, but God didn't want puppets - He wanted Sons or God - so He created man.

den man turned his back on him , didn't he know all this

arejibadz:
god knew everything that's suppose to happen but still went ahead with it , no b god create man way day kill man,didn't he know man would kill man after creation then why didn't he avoid all this things man faces on earth?

God knew from even before the beginning everything that is to happen. And He chose not to scrap His plan because He is God and regardless of the majority that reject Him, it is the few that will choose Him and becomes Sons of God that is His goal.

Kobojunkie:
Again... God knew man would reject Him, [/b]but He went ahead and created men anyways, than impose on men.[b] He gave to them exactly what they wanted.

What about Tynsdale?

So he knew he created imperfect humans and told them to perfect?

arejibadz:
den man turned his back on him , didn't he know all this

Not all men turned their backs on God, mind you, and God's goal are the few that will obey Him even where the majority do not.

Kobojunkie:
God knew from even before the beginning everything that is to happen. And He chose not to scrap His plan because He is God and regardless of the majority that reject Him, it is the few that will choose Him and becomes Sons of God that is His goal.

He knew he created disobedient children yet still want them to follow his rule?

Is like you created a painting, after doing that you went to ease and came back, you saw the paintings you did then you got angry of how big the nose is, or how dull the eye is, exactly.

Kobojunkie:
Not all men turned their backs on God, mind you, and God's goal are the few that will obey Him even where the majority do not.

Didn’t your god know which and which men will turn back or not? Or he just hoped?

Maynman:
So he knew he created imperfect humans and told them to perfect?

I don't know where you get these tales of yours from.. Men were created perfectly able to choose right or wrong from the beginning, this by God. So there was no mistake made as far as the creation of men.

Kobojunkie:
I don't know where you get these tales of yours from.. Men were created perfectly able to choose right or wrong from the beginning, this by God. So there was no mistake made as far as the creation of men.

You said god knew and still created man that way, he knew we will be imperfect and still went ahead to do it.
So your god didn’t know that man will choose evil? And he is all knowing?

Maynman:

Didn’t your god know which and which men will turn back or not? Or he just hoped?

Again.. Not all men turned their backs on God, mind you, and God's goal are the few that will obey Him even where the majority do not.

Try to digest before you respond abeg!

Kobojunkie:
Again.. Not all men turned their backs on God, mind you, and God's goal are the few that will obey Him even where the majority do not.

Try to digest before you respond abeg!

So god created all of man but chose some to suffer and a few to get to heaven. God created man to suffer?

You are contradicting yourself.

Maynman:
You said god knew and still created man that way, he knew we will be imperfect and still went ahead to do it.
So your god didn’t know that man will choose evil? And he is all knowing?

Again..... I don't know where you get these tales of yours from.. Men were created perfectly able to choose right or wrong from the beginning, this by God. So there was no mistake made as far as the creation of men.

Try to properly digest what you read before you respond.

Kobojunkie:
Again..... I don't know where you get these tales of yours from.. Men were created perfectly able to choose right or wrong from the beginning, this by God. So there was no mistake made as far as the creation of men.

Try to properly digest what you read before you respond.

You told me told the tales.
Your god knew man will do evil yet still created man with that evil?

You are contradicting yourself.

Maynman:
So god created all of man but chose some to suffer and a few to get to heaven. God created man to suffer?

You are contradicting yourself.

The contradiction isn't born of anything I have said so far but of the various leaps in judgement you continue to make.

Kobojunkie:
The contradiction isn't born of anything I have said so far but of the various leaps in judgement you continue to make.

You said god created man even though he knew man will do evil, he created man to do evil and suffer

Maynman:
You told me told the tales.
Your god knew man will do evil yet still created man with that evil?
You are contradicting yourself.

Clearly point out the contradiction then..

Kobojunkie:
Clearly point out the contradiction then..

Before your god created man, he knew man will do evil (imperfect) yet still went to create man knowing that man is not perfect.
You told me the tales.

Maynman:
You said god created man even though he knew man will do evil, he created man to do evil and suffer

What I said and your conclusion above are not same in any way or form.

Kobojunkie:
What I said and your conclusion above are not same in any way or form.

It is the same.
He created imperfect beings not minding anyhow they are to obey perfect laws

Maynman:
It is the same.
He created imperfect beings not minding anyhow they are to obey perfect laws

I am afraid it isn't the same at all.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid it isn't the same at all.

But you don’t need to be afraid.

Didn’t he create man after knowing man will disobey him? Or it was after he created man that he realized man can disobey him?
Is he all knowing?
Why is he now acting surprise that man is disobeying him?

Maynman:


But you don’t need to be afraid.

Didn’t he create man after knowing man will disobey him? Or it was after he created man that he realized man can disobey him?
Is he all knowing?

First issue is ....I never said God created man imperfectly....you did that by your leap.

Kobojunkie:
Again..... I don't know where you get these tales of yours from.. Men were created perfectly able to choose right or wrong from the beginning, this by God. So there was no mistake made as far as the creation of men.

Try to properly digest what you read before you respond.

So again your contradictions here are born of your very own leap in judgment. This since you seem to like perfection to choosing right over wrong all of the time.

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God created the character called Satan for the purpose of evil and Satan, in all of scripture, is said to handle the task he was programmed for by God perfectly well. However, if we are to follow the flow of your judgements so far, we have to conclude that Satan was imperfectly created this because he does evil.... an idea that contradicts scripture.

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Anyways, you are free to believe as you choose in these things..