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Dtruthspeaker:
If you have a car, depending on your Law, if you have teenage boys around, YOU ALREADY KNOW that:
1) they are gonna drive your car or;
2) they are not gonna drive it.

You already know, what shall happen.

That is how robotic man is!

Um, I didn’t call myself all knowing, beginning and end.

Dtruthspeaker:
He knew man could Know Him, love Him and Listen to Him as Abel, Noah, Abraham, King Abimelech (Abraham's friend), Lot, etc did.

So, He knew man could listen to Him and retain the blessings God had already given him or hate Him, and therefore leave His blessings to enter into His Curses.

But he didn’t know exactly what man will do? He just hoped that man will do it? And see the way you are even listing what your god can know, I thought he knows all things?
Beginning and end should be able to know though.

Kobojunkie:
If you understood His plan, you would understand why He isn't sadistic at all.

By the way, the statements in bold aren't true.

But you said he knew man will disobey the plan? Or he didn’t know?

It is by what you are saying

Kobojunkie:


God knew all this would happen before He created men but He still went ahead with His plan since His plan and goal remains undeterred by even the choices of a majority of men.

Outsmarted by men, in what way?

If you understand his plan, you would understand why he isn't qs sadistic as you claim..

Before he created the plan, didn’t he know that man will disobey?
It seems that man disobeying and going to hell was the plan after all

Kobojunkie:


God knew all this would happen before He created men but He still went ahead with His plan since His plan and goal remains undeterred by even the choices of a majority of men.

Outsmarted by men, in what way?

He knew men will disobey him and won’t follow his word and still went ahead to create men and created hell for those who disobey him, and he already has the knowledge that man will disobey him , he created man to suffer. That’s sadistic.

I said ““or” was he outsmarted by man”

Kobojunkie:
God knew all this would happen before He created men but He still went ahead with His plan. Outsmarted by men, in what way?

He knew men will disobey him and won’t follow his word and still went ahead to create men and created men for those who disobey him, and he already has the knowledge that man will disobey him , he created man to suffer. That’s sadistic.

Dtruthspeaker:
And you responded
"Even before you were born and became wise, your suffering is already started and sure?

Which is what I have now respondents to, so you ought not to be going backwards

So why will he end the world because of evil that unborn children haven’t committed?

Kobojunkie:
A God he cares to understand or a God He does not give a flying fk about?

[/b]The reason why God does not to interfere in the lives of men is simply because men reject and refuse Him, choosing instead to live according to their will over His Will. So?[b],

Didn’t he know all This will happen before he created man? Or was he outsmarted by man?

Dtruthspeaker:
Nope! Mostly No! God did a very wonderful thing for children and does a wonderful thing for them (which is not going on much in these days.) but those stupid children grew up and entered into the Curse and joined their parents and the world in the circle of Curse.

But you said this?
“Thank God that even before you were born, He had Said He was going to "end it all"!

Kobojunkie:
I don't understand the reason behind this tirade of yours. Are you sincerely trying to understand why a powerful God does not bend to your whims or are you instead asking why you don't seem able to get answers for God in your life? Which is it?

He is trying to understand why a good god will allow all these evil.

MaxInDHouse:
Calm down my friend, this is not one of those misinformed Churchgoers, this is one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.
KNOWLEDGE is what we have above all other school of thought.
So relax my friend and try to follow the chat between me and the OP!

Yes You are a WORSHIPPER OF JEHOVAH NOT OF YAHWEH AND ELOHIM. Jehovah was NEVER mentioned in the old and New Testament.
And we all know who created “jehovah” your god, William Tyndale, this same person also created the King James Version. Nobody knows the King James Version more than “Jehovah” witness.

You are a worshipper of William Tyndale.

Dtruthspeaker:
1) Thank God that even before you were born, He had Said He was going to "end it all"!

2) He Also said you suffer because you people thought you were wise, even wiser than Him.

And that one day you will call Him, and He will never answer!

Even before you were born and became wise, your suffering is already started and sure?

MaxInDHouse:
Because it's the only way forward, there's no other solution to the problem!

God will eventually destroy Satan just has the other two rebels (Adam and Eve) were destroyed. But then Adam's descendants may face the same thing in the future perhaps another angel should raise the objection saying:
"why must God be the one and only supreme ruler of the earth?"

So to settle it once and for all times God must allow humans to try their ability in ruling over themselves. You know how many system of government mankind has tried over the centuries now yet none has brought about PEACE and SECURITY.
So my friend it's about whose right is it to rule that's the problem as humans are raising different ideas yet all failed, the present system we're brandishing globally now is DEMOCRACY. Yet it's the same result! Ecclesiastes 4:1;8:9

God promised that He will not be too late over this issue {Habakkuk 2:3} God's Kingdom is coming {Matthew 6:10} but before then humans must globally confess that man can't rule over man successfully! Jeremiah 10:23

As for all these suffering each of us must face it so as to strengthen our faith when God finally destroy Satan, demons and all politicians dominating us! Daniel 2:44

Afterwards God will bring in Paradise on this same planet but whoever raises any objections by then will only be allowed to taste life for just a hundred years {Isaiah 65:20} and he will die as a youth while others who remain obedient will live forever! Psalms 37:29

Hahahah, I see you are now hiding the “Jehovah” name, better tell him which god you are referring to ; the one in Hebrew Bible or the one in the king James VERSION created by a “Jehovah” witness..

FutureIsFemale:
ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS. Men will sleep with anything with a hole.
Sleep with lizard, sleep with snake, sleep with minors, sleep with grannies, sleep with dead bodies. Just anything with a hole.

God punish them all.

Since men are rapist, I hope you never give birth to a rapist, and rapists shall never be born in your family ever again.
Hope you don’t need a rapist Sperm to get pregnant?

arejibadz:
brother man If you are god would you allow all that's happening , people suffering all in the name of religion why it so ,must one suffer? That just my question

maxindhouse is a “Jehovah” worshipper, not a Yahweh or YHWH or Elohim worshipper.. be careful.
He only believes in “Jehovah” which was created by a “Jehovah” witness, and he gets his teaching from the king James VERSION, which was also created by a “Jehovah” witness, what a coincidence.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy, i pass you no be ṣeré ṣeré!

Ẹni tó bá ju ni lọ, ó lè ju ni nù.

I'm sure you've learnt your lesson now so i will stop responding to your frustrations!

Noise from a “Jehovah” worshipper, why are you afraid of Yahweh and Elohim?
Continue with the ad hominem, you’ve been exposed.

You are a worshipper of William Tyndale.

MaxInDHouse:
OK you also want to set the rules, shey?

Is the Hebrew Bible not the one with the rules? Where was “Jehovah” mentioned in the Hebrew Bible except from king James VERSION also created by a “Jehovah” witness? What a coincidence

MaxInDHouse:
Please arejibadz would like to continue or we close the chapter?

A Jehovah witness that’s afraid of Yahweh and Elohim,

MaxInDHouse:
Na wa o!
Come and see gbege for Nairaland!

Please Mr KnownUnknown this is the topic of the thread:

"Why Is Religion So Bent On Suffering And Persecution?"

Stay on the topic and use the word as it is in Jewish Bible, don’t use the king James VERSION created by a “Jehovah” witness.
“Jehovah” has no root in new and Old Testament.
Why are you afraid of calling Yahweh and Elohim?

MaxInDHouse:
MindHacker my friend,
This is what happens when you challenge someone much more intelligent than you are. I never knew you can stoop this low to restlessness and frustration with your so called KNOWLEDGE!
Please can you stay on the topic of discussion?

William Tyndale worshipper,
The intelligence you got from reading the King James Version? Created by your fellow Jehovah witness ?
I didn’t know that exposing your “Jehovah” for who it is will pain you this much.
Keep the ad hominem coming

KnownUnknown:
These whites and their Christianity. The Hebrews said do not make an image of the god, the whites painted him in their own melanin deficient image.
They said the gods name is Yod Hey Vav Hey, the whites came up with nonsensical Jehovah. They call it transliteration, wise people call it nonsense

No wonder Jehovah Witless tracts are filled with melanin deficient people in their white heaven.

Even the transliteration of yhwh is called yahweh not Jehovah , it was the Latin Christian that changed “yhwh” to “jhwh”
William Tyndale went a step further to add his “Jehovah” even the latin Christian called it “jehowah”

MaxInDHouse:
Ironically the highlighted is what you're doing right now because the OP has nothing to do with what you're typing and pasting now!

And are you not grabbing unto “Jehovah” created by William Tyndale? Why is the word only found in king James VERSION and not in Hebrew Bible?

You are a William tyndale worshipper.

LordIsaac:
Obviously, you are not seeking the light. You are just engaging in this discourse for argument's sake. I no longer have the time. May you find the peace only your creator can give you. Bye.

Didn’t you say your god created both good and evil? And he gave us evil desires, the same way he gave us good desires and the same way he gave us 2 eyes, did you use one eye or you use both eye? So why are using only a part of what god gave you? Did god make a mistake in creating evil and giving us evil desires?

MaxInDHouse:
Wow! So you KNOW what he's looking for even when he's sceptical about the[b][/b] whole idea of God![b][/b]

Come on my friend, i thought you said you only say what you KNOW, how come you're now becoming a spokesman for another person?

Which god are you talking about? Is it Jehovah? That’s only found in King James Version created by a Jehovah witness?
Your “Jehovah” has no Root or origin in the Bible. It was NEVER mentioned. It was created by a Jehovah witness, William Tyndale.
I like what you are doing, grabbing to straws.

You are a William Tyndale worshipper.

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK for now allow the OP to reason with me if truly he's intelligent as he thinks!

Reason with a William tyndale worshipper?
he is looking for a Yahweh/Elohim worshipper not a Jehovah worshipper.

LordIsaac:
Yes....because He gave you a will to choose life.

He didn’t, if he did he wouldn’t have created me with evil desires.
He created you with 2 legs because that’s what you need, he created you with both good and evil desires because that’s what you need.
Could your god have created you with 3 legs? Yes, but he specifically created with 2 legs to use, the same way he created you with good and evil desires to use, or your god does mistake?
Your god could have created you with only good desires but he added evil desires to it for you to use as you have 2 legs and 2 eyes and so on.. everything for a function.

MaxInDHouse:
What a pity!
MindHacker has become so restless and you're now trailing MaxInDHouse everywhere on Nairaland.
Well allow the OP for now at least he wants to reason with others so calm down you don't have to be this restless;

Jehovah worshipper, have you said your praise to William Tyndale aka Jehovah today?

LordIsaac:
Give your life to Christ. You need to submit your heart to Jesus. Then, you'd be humble enough to know that you were created. And He that created you does not owe you an explanation. We are mere creations and we are created for His Glory!

You already answered that your god created both good and evil and he gave us evil desires. I should repent from what your god created?

elated177:
Exactly what an agent of witches would say. Call it whatever you like, it is still what it is.




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Where did you get almighty jhvh? Surely not from the Hebrew Bible, maybe the King James Version created by William tyndale right?

MaxInDHouse:
That's why you need to study the Bible instead of presuming how God should react to those who are lower to Him.
He is not a bully rather He wants everyone to have equal right even though He is the Creator He doesn't want to force His opinion on anyone.
The problem we're facing on this planet today is due to what happened in the beginning but before you can understand remember those involved aren't mortals like you and i, so their reasoning differs from the way you and i who have expiring date do reason!

But your reasoning helped you to know that “Because you are involved in their beef!” How were you able to understand that since our reasoning differs?
All these William tyndale worshippers sha

LordIsaac:
I have already mentioned that He is Alpha and Omega. Omnipresent and OmniScience. All things were created by Him. Leave the why till you get to heaven.

So all the things that devil did and Adam did, it was your god that was doing it?

He intentionally gave devil evil desires so he can rebel and have a reason to cast him out. The same template he used for Adam and Eve?

LordIsaac:
Exactly. Why He did that is beyond my comprehension. Just like negative and positive electrodes in Physics and Chemistry electricity.

So he created evil desires and evil thoughts too?