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Dtruthspeaker:
I have answered all these!

lol no sir.

How did you arrive that the raping was good or bad if you didn’t judge the situation using good and evil?
And you said your god is the creator of good and evil? Who created satan with his evil thoughts? Did Satan also eat a evil fruit like Adam?

Dtruthspeaker:
Every Territory in A king's domain is always altered to receive The King's Visitation.

Yes there’s a special place for your god in hell.

MaxInDHouse:
So what exactly do you know if not the things you heard and have evidence?
Well that's not my problem.
I told you God means Supreme Being and it's only when we can SEE the BENEFITS that i will accept such entity as GOD!

Apart from what the eye witness told you and you believed, which other evidence did you have?
So hearing is part of believing too and not just seeing? We are getting there. And don’t forget you and I agree that knowledge is different from believing. It seems you don’t know what knowledge is.



you told me this about your god.

Dtruthspeaker:
Visitation can last for any number of days as the king may determine. He even has the right to operate His office from there if He so chooses.

That is His Unquestionable Right!

Hell is conducive and fitting for a king to visit after all.

Dtruthspeaker:
See, I said "JUDGE of goodness and evil" not "cannot know what goodness and evIl".



The same way you know an angry prostitute should not come near your children with it.



Doesn't need to create it, the pros.titute with acid answers you.



That's why I said give out your ATM pin to a thief,then based on what happens, try answering the question

Since you know what good and bad is you have already judged it.. the scenario of the rape you painted is not a good thing through your judgement right? That’s why you want to do evil to that rapist? Haven’t you judged ?
Then the pros,titue is the evil one and not the acid.
Why will I give out a pin to a thief and claim knowledge is evil? Isn’t that folly to give your pin to a thief in the first place?
You said you god is a god of good and bad and he created it, did he create evil thoughts and desires too?

MaxInDHouse:
Keep deceiving yourself!
A madwoman carrying refuse dismantled her load in the presence of eyewitnesses who told us she's carrying refuse but you are trying to argue about GOD when you don't know the BENEFITS of the presence of GOD!
Guy go and continue arguing with everyone about how you became a God and all the definitions you have in your head to people!

It’s clear who is being deceived by doctrine..
So you were told by eyewitness what happened and you BELIVE it right? Didn’t we say that knowledge is not same as believe but they can be alike? Lol

Is this your own definition of your god?

MaxInDHouse:
She dismantled everything before everyone and all eyewitnesses saw that she's carrying refuse.
KNOWLEDGE WORKS out what is benefitial but BELIEFS only rings in the head of the believer.
All your Elédùmarè, Yahweh and other stuffs are mere BELIEFS until you're able to put what you're saying into practice so that everyone can SEE the BENEFITS. Isaiah 48:17-18
Anything apart from the BENEFITS whatever you call GOD is WORTHLESS!

Then why are you contradicting yourself? The person you are also telling also saw how she dismantled it right? Lol, busted busted busted.
You don’t know what knowledge is yet you claim you know the benefit, it doesn’t fit, sorry.
Your own God is only the creator of benefit things then we need to look for the creator of non benefit things.means your god is not the creator of all things only benefit things.

Dtruthspeaker:
I did not! Show proof.



Invalid Counter! Outside issue. No talk of function of acid.



Now you are the one who said this, even the Bible did not say so.



Again, it is you who says this. Not I nor the Bible!



You surely heard all things were good, didn't you.



Go and give a thief the knowledge of your ATM password, then answer the question.

So how then did you know that an acid is evil? Lol
But you said your god is the god of good and evil? So someone else created evil thoughts and desires?
It was you that said evil was outside until Adam ate it and it came inside, didn’t you?
How is giving a thief my password makes knowledge evil?
Can ignorance also be good?

MaxInDHouse:
You're entitled to your PERSONAL opinion Sir!

Why have opinions when you can know the truth? just like you said about the mad woman you think is not carrying anything worthwhile, you didn’t check to know, you only believe a mad woman can’t possibly have Anything worthwhile on her.
Knowledge deals with what is
Ignorance deals with what is not,
What does belief deal with?

MaxInDHouse:
SEEING is BELIEVING! Matthew 7:16-18

Mr Believer, Knowledge is not same as belief. It may be alike but never same.
Ad hominem after they’ve been busted.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọ̀gbẹ́ni, let's talk about the benefits of what you call KNOWLEDGE and trash this once and for all, but if all what you want is fruitless arguments then keep your DEFINITIONS to yourself!

Another analogy busted again. I expected more from you, it’s belief truly and not knowledge.


Benefit of what you don’t know about?
How can you know a thing or its benefit if you don’t have a knowledge of what it is?

elated177:
You must be really frustrated. Are you not looking evidence again? Now tell me, which category do you belong to? My God exists and he is the Creator of the heavens, the earth, the seas and everything in them. I am evidence that he exists.

Which god are you talking about? Jehovah ? Elohim? Eledumare?

Your Belief is so fragile, why are you punishing yourself lol.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy, call it what you want!

What is indisputable is that KNOWLEDGE differs from BELIEFS because knowledge works out what everyone can see and enjoy the benefits while BELIEFS only rings in the head of the believer!
For your information, the madwoman in the picture is a master degree holder and can define anything but of what practical benefit is her DEFINITION now?

How did you know the mad woman is not carrying anything worthy in her bag? Did you check to confirm? Or you just believe that nothing will be there?
Didn’t we say knowledge is to know, and any other definition that’s not these we say is not knowledge but LIKE knowledge..
Seeing is believing is that your definition of knowledge?

There’s benefit and not benefit, any other thing else are like it but not same as it. Practical and impractical benefit are like benefit but are not same as benefit.
A master degree owner can define ANYTHING, how possible? Lol

MaxInDHouse:
SEEING the scientist say is BELIEVING!
So if i can't see the result of what you call KNOWLEDGE then it's just like telling someone a madwoman carrying refuse has something worthwhile in her load!

I'm not the type that waste time on fruitless arguments, i appreciate result!

Jargons. Ordinary what’s knowledge you can’t answer, religion truly truly.
And didn’t we agree earlier that knowledge is different from belief, look at you running to the mercy of scientists.
You used your belief to guess that the madwoman is not carrying anything worthwhile but you don’t know, you didn’t open the bag to confirm. That’s exactly what I’m saying.
Knowledge is knowing
Ignorance is not knowing..
Where does belief now stand since it’s not any of these 2?

MaxInDHouse:
Definition is nothing to me but benefits of what you call KNOWLEDGE Sir!
So if you only want to argue about words then court me out, i go for what is WORKING out BENEFITS not just talks talks talks!

How can you know the benefit of a thing if you don’t have a knowledge of what it is?

MaxInDHouse:
You will only continue arguing fruitlessly my guy. Let's go straight to the benefits of what you call KNOWLEDGE that's what will prove if it's real KNOWLEDGE or MISINFORMATION!

Your analogy about the professors is a bust lol, you can’t lie to yourself sha.

Knowledge is knowing
Ignorance is not knowing.

If any other definition of knowledge( like practical and other type you mentioned) is not same as these then we call them alike. So they are not knowledge but like knowledge.
I ask again what’s your definition of knowledge and ignorance?

MaxInDHouse:
Nigerians have lots of definitions as professors in different fields of academics but with all the definitions my people has China is producing so many things while my own people with all our DEFINITIONS aren't productive.
So which is more important, the worthless definition or the practical application of KNOWLEDGE?

Are the professors in China responsible for their productiveness?
So we have 2 type of knowledge? How many types of ignorance do we have ?
We all know the definition of knowledge, if practical knowledge is not the same as it can it be called knowledge?
Hope you know the difference between the same and alike?

MaxInDHouse:
KNOWLEDGE WORKS out benefits while IGNORANCE yield no benefit!

You are listing importance of knowledge and ignorance and that’s one of it, but what I’m asking is what’s knowledge itself..
I like your example though, Doing evil also yields no benefit, can you now see that the only evil is ignorance?

Omo this your religion really limiting your thinking, ordinary definition of knowledge is hard to provide lol.

MaxInDHouse:
Well with the highlighted i disagree Sir!

Knowledge deals with to know.
Ignorance deals with not knowing.
Bring your own definition.

MaxInDHouse:
You are entitled to your own opinion my friend!

Opinion forcibly overcomes truth.
We all know what knowledge is.

MaxInDHouse:
Well you are entitled to your opinion!

So you see knowledge is different from belief.

MaxInDHouse:
This is what i sensed in your approach the other time before i started throwing your questions back at you.
To win over a soul you must be mild enough to reach the heart of your audience and you can only do that by listening attentively before speaking. Any intellectual will see you as being defensive with your approach as you will not allow the person you want to chat with speak what is in his/her mind!

Being defensive by telling you the history and origin of the book you are calling Bible? You are the one being defensive here. I have answered all your questions..
The hosea book you were quoting were written by Judaist for Judaism, did I lie? If we want to truly learn from the source shouldn’t we meet those that wrote it?
And you can not win any soul, it’s not a competition,you can only enlighten.

MaxInDHouse:
This is the reason why i kept asking you questions instead of answering you, because you're so hasty and aggressive with your approach to sensitive matters.
You will never get the attention of serious minded individuals if you're not mild in your approach!

You have no answer to it, save me the ad hominem.. you are just learning about these new facts of your Israelite gods. Elohim and Jehovah precisely. You are quoting a book you don’t know of his origin, yet you have knowledge of it? You don’t, you only have some knowledge of it, and some knowledge is not same as knowledge, that’s where belief comes in.

MaxInDHouse:
You see what i mean now?
Instead of asking thought provoking questions so as to know what the Bible really teach you're jumping into conclusion.
So how do you think a person like me will give you my attention when you won't allow me to explain what the Bible teach?

Knowledge deals with knowing, ignorance deals with not knowing.
How does that verse relate to knowledge? Or we have 2 type of knowledge?
Don’t you need to learn what is good and bad is, to be able to discern? If you learn only good how will you know what bad is? And can we say you are knowledgeable then?

MaxInDHouse:
Well that's why you need to calm down and learn otherwise you will jump into the wrong conclusion!

The Bible book of Hosea 4:6 was talking about Jews and God specifically said they rejected KNOWLEDGE so if you want understanding of the Bible you need to know those given the spirit to TEACH you!

The book of hosea was written by Jews who practiced Judaism. The Christians copied it to their book, Bible literally means collections of books, so where did they collect these books from? And the Old Testament was written by Judaist for Judaism, I mean even Christianity came from Judaism lol.. so Are you a Judaist?

MaxInDHouse:
That's why you should learn from the right source because the Bible is not just a book that could be ready and understood by all kinds of people!
The Bible repeatedly emphasized on the need for KNOWLEDGE:

But as for the tree of the KNOWLEDGE of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.” Genesis 2:17

My people will be silenced, because there is no KNOWLEDGE. Because you have rejected KNOWLEDGE, I will also reject you from serving as my priest; And because you have forgotten the law of your God, I myself will forget your sons! Hosea 4:6

Genesis 2:17 contradicts what knowledge is lol

MaxInDHouse:
That's why you should learn from the right source because the Bible is not just a book that could be ready and understood by all kinds of people!
The Bible repeatedly emphasized on the need for KNOWLEDGE:


My people will be silenced, because there is no KNOWLEDGE. Because you have rejected KNOWLEDGE, I will also reject you from serving as my priest; And because you have forgotten the law of your God, I myself will forget your sons! Hosea 4:6

Then shouldn’t I be asking the Jews, who wrote the Old Testament(Judaism) for the real meaning of it? They own the source of the book you are quoting.

Hebrew 11:16
And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him."

Corinthians 5:7
For we walk by faith, not by sight.

MaxInDHouse:
Agreed!
But in the case of true Christians what we know is not BELIEF rather it's KNOWLEDGE!

Your Bible says otherwise.

Dtruthspeaker:
The rape example I gave you already proves you have a natural ability to know good and evil, thanks and no thanks to Adam.



It is you who said "on its own". All I presented was the fact that an acid which is good in the hands of battery makers, can become evil in the hand of an angry prost.tute.



This is where you learn to ask the question why did Satan want Adam to eat the fruit?

When you eat, you put something inside you.

Being Adam evil was outside you before, until you ate it. Now, evil is inside.

Now you have an idea why you said "evil thoughts"

Which means "THERE IS ALSO GOOD THOUGHTS TOO"

But earlier you said we cannot know what goodness and evil is, but you just describe the scenarios of evil with the rape and acid, man lol

Your analogy is flawed, the function of an acid is known, an acid is always doing his job it’s human that goes and taps the acid and not make the acid to do his job, the fault is to the human.. and acid is neither good or bad, it does his job. Something is either good or bad, it can’t be both.

Adam sin was inside him then he ate a fruit lol bla bla bla.. if your god created evil thoughts and desire and he is all knowing.. then he gave satan those evil thoughts to start with? Could your god have created just good thoughts?
And that fruit you are referring as evil was LITERALLY called tree of knowledge,or is knowledge an evil thing?

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK Sir, each person is entitled to his or her own opinion. We call it KNOWLEDGE not just belief!

Knowledge is not same as belief.

MaxInDHouse:
You should have learned through this thread that i (Max) only respond to whoever i will, if anyone wants to learn from me you must humble yourself and ask politely.
I ignored this OP and his thread because we had no prior discussion before this so starting a thread in my name doesn't move me.
You either ask me politely or i keep you in suspense as we will both continue chatting without me satisfying your urge to argue!

That’s why it’s called belief and not knowledge. Okay bro..