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FxMasterz:
A mere writer such as Kate Clow cannot just wake up and impose a Christian name on an islamic Country unopposed except there's too much evidence to justify the action.

How is naming a rural trail imposing a christian name on an islamic country?
Where is the evidence since na

FxMasterz:
If Paul didn't pass the place, they wouldn't name the road after a man they don't know. Whereever the reference came from, the Turkish have it in record that Paul visited their country and therefore named the road after him.

The reference to to the book of Acts is a means for attracting Christian tourists. As business people, that's what they're expected to do.

The fact that the road was named after Paul to mark out some of his routes in Turkey means the people are aware that Paul visited them, otherwise they would debunk the story in Acts as false. This is even more possible given the fact that the country is Islamic.

The blogs you claimed were written by non Turkish bloggers also defeats your assertion. Interestingly, one of the sites picked up the narration of Paul's trail, starting with the sentence - "In our country..." Our country here refers to Turkey. That's too much for non Turkish.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/toursaroundturkey.com/saint-paul-trail-in-turkey/

You'll even see a picture of the said trail in the screenshot below:

We don't need written history to verify Paul's visit to Spain. Give proofs for your claim.

Kate clow is the “turkish” that have it in record that paul visited their country and therefore named the road after him

From your own link!

FxMasterz:
If Paul didn't pass the place, they wouldn't name the road after a man they don't know. Whereever the reference came from, the Turkish have it in record that Paul visited their country and therefore named the road after him.

The reference to to the book of Acts is a means for attracting Christian tourists. As business people, that's what they're expected to do.

The fact that the road was named after Paul to mark out some of his routes in Turkey means the people are aware that Paul visited them, otherwise they would debunk the story in Acts as false. This is even more possible given the fact that the country is Islamic.

The blogs you claimed were written by non Turkish bloggers also defeats your assertion. Interestingly, one of the sites picked up the narration of Paul's trail, starting with the sentence - "In our country..." Our country here refers to Turkey. That's too much for non Turkish.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/toursaroundturkey.com/saint-paul-trail-in-turkey/

You'll even see a picture of the said trail in the screenshot below:

We don't need written history to verify Paul's visit to Spain. Give proofs for your claim.

Who named it?
Show me where “turkish” have it in record and show me where “turkish” named it.

Stop lying, i never said the blogs were written by nom turkish.


“Two millenia later, Kate Clow and a band of hardy volunteers developed Turkey's second major long distance walking trail, between the ruins of the ancient cities of Perge and Antioch, and named it the St Paul Trail. While St Paul's exact route is unclear, this trail passes through the same wild country of rugged mountains, canyons, lakes and the ruins of ancient civilisations.“

FxMasterz:
What I'm saying is that Turkey isn't an English speaking country. Their history isn't written in English. So, how do I read Turkish history?

Do you even know that there's a road in Turkey called St. Paul's Trail? The road is about 500km.

Follow the Wikipedia link below:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Paul_Trail#:~:text=The%20Saint%20Paul%20Trail%20is,Isparta%2C%20northeast%20of%20Lake%20E%C4%9Firdir

This verifiable evidence should do better than disputable history books.

How many country history is written in English?

If you read the link. It was named after the road paul passed as seen in Acts.
“Perge”.

Their references is from New Testament.

Quote turkish history/record of paul visiting turkey na

FxMasterz:
So 17% of Turkish people who speak English would make Turkish history to be written in English?

You mean those sites that are completely dedicated to Turkish travels with services for tour guides around Turkey were written by people outside of Turkey?

Who said anything about turkish history written in English?
I thought you said turkey does not speak English?



A blogger that is from turkey does not make his writings a “turkish records”. What are the sources of the blogger?
If they ask you for evidence that paul was in turkey, you will bring “turkish travel” websites


Quote turkish history/record of paul visiting turkey na

FxMasterz:
Yes. Does Turkey speak English? Did I say they don't write in any other language?

I have given you records according to Turkish sites. Those sites are owned by Turkish. Bring records for your claims.

About 17% do.

Those sites are not owned by “turkish” but bloggers, and those bloggers are getting their reference from Acts.


Quote turkish history/record of paul visiting turkey na

FxMasterz:
Did I ever say they wrote only in English?

Give us Spanish proofs of Paul's visit.

You said “turkey don’t speak English”.


Paul is a nobody..
Even his home country doesn’t have his records.


Quote turkish history/record of paul visiting turkey na

FxMasterz:
The turkeyeish sites are in English because they're were put up to attract visitors for tourism. It would be foolish of them to right in their language.

All those cities mentioned on those sites have no biblical reference.

Why don’t they have it in other languages?
Only english speaking people do tourism in turkey?

I still have more.



Quote turkish history/record of paul visiting turkey na

FxMasterz:
They only made reference to Acts. They didn't quite from there. There's a map of Paul's detailed travels within Turkey. The Bible has no such details. Every detail about Paula travel in Turkey you would ever see is extra-biblical.

Turkey doesn't speak English. Their historical records is not readable to me. The details from those sites are taken from Turkeyeish history, not the Bible.

Their references are from Acts.
Their details are gotten from acts, they are tracking and tracing the location according to what they read in acts, which other references did they put there?

But the tukeyeish site was in english, the history you saw in a turkeyeish site is gotten from New Testament.

FxMasterz:
I am going to refer you to several turkeyeish links:

1. All About Turkey.Com

https://www.allaboutturkey.com/tour-religious-paul_footsteps.html

2. Zicasso.com https://www.zicasso.com/i/turkey/footsteps-apostle-paul-pilgrimage-tour-across-turkey

3. Ertunga Ecir

https://ertungaecir.com/blog/biblical-tours-in-turkey/

4. Karyonglim
https://www.karyonglim.com/blog/following-the-footsteps-of-apostle-paul-in-turkey

Your first link was quoting acts in New Testament as reference, your second link said nothing, your third link was quoting acts in New Testament as reference, your fourth link said nothing.


Quote turkish history/record of paul visiting turkey na

FxMasterz:
The claim I gave you is from a Turkeyiesh site. Not from the New Testament. It details Paul's journey from town to town around Turkey.

Is toursaroundturkey.com a New Testament site?

What is the reference of the Turkeyiesh site?

Is toursaroundturkey.com a historian?
Where did the site get the information?

Show me turkish record of paul visiting turkey.

FxMasterz:
The screenshot below was taken from Tiours Around Turkey - toursaroundturkey.com

Show me the turkish record, not a claim from the New Testament.

FxMasterz:
All places visited by the Disciples of Christ have records of their visits, including such places as Turkey which is no longer Christian.

Can you show me the records of turkish claim when paul visited.

FxMasterz:
Smiling. The majority of Spain today is Christian. If Paul visited Spain, there'll be records.

When paul visited spain, how many were “christians”?

Your New Testament that contains paul and its feat, when was it complied and started been in use?

Show me the record of everyone that visited spain, 6000 years ago?

FxMasterz:
The exact date of Christ's birth is a distractive question. I won't answer that.

Give us records of the Spanish claims of Paul's visit. We won't take it from historians copying themselves to spread the same idea.

Who is Paul that “spanish” will have records of him?
A President? A king?
Where did “spanish” claim paul came to spain?paul is a nobody!
Can you show me the “spanish” record of Everyone that lived in spain 6000 years old.

Who is clement to paul, if not clement and early Christians who will know the true location of paul, you prefer “tradition”, then answer, when was Paul imprisoned, when was rome burnt? When was paul killed by nero



“ Cyril of Jerusalem (c. 315-386), an Early Church theologian in Jerusalem, passes on the belief that Paul went to Spain: “…(Paul), who from Jerusalem, and even unto Illyricum, fully preached the Gospel, and instructed even imperial Rome, and carried the earnestness of his preaching as far as Spain, undergoing conflicts innumerable, and performing signs and wonders.” Catecheses, Lecture 17.26

Chrysostom, (347-407), Archbishop of Constantinople, apparently one of the most talented preachers in all of Christian history records: “For after he (Paul) had been in Rome, he returned to Spain, but whether he came thence again into these parts, we know not.” Second Timothy, Homily 10”

FxMasterz:
Now, let's hear from history. Who burnt Rome? Who killed Nero? See screenshots below:

Be reading your “history” before you just screenshot it.
Nero wasn’t even in Rome during the fire.
https://www.thecollector.com/great-fire-of-rome/

FxMasterz:
Now, tell me the exact date Paul went to Spain. The cities he visited and the records of the Spanish about his visitation.

Give me the exact date your jewish savior was born.


“Many other ancient Christian writers asserted Paul went to Spain. Jerome ( 342-460), the ascetic-in-his-golden-years scholar who translated the 39 books of the Old Testament and the 4 Gospels in the New Testament from Hebrew and Greek into Latin and is credited as the author of the Roman Catholic Vulgate Bible, stated: “St. Paul having been in Spain, went from one ocean to another.” Amos, cap.5

Whether Paul fulfilled his dream of evangelizing the East AND the West as far as Spain is tradition with positive evidence from the quotes of many authors through the centuries. This writer says, yes, Paul did go to Spain for several years after his first Roman imprisonment in c. 60-62.”
https://earlychurchhistory.org/beliefs-2/st-paul-went-to-spain/

FxMasterz:
Give verifiable reference of the Christians caught red handed burning Rome. Or the evidence of murders committed by them. Nero put up that accusation as an excuse for persecution.

Meanwhile you said they never existed during Nero's time. What changed?

I said “christians” never existed during nero time, it Was chrestians that burnt down rome and killed nero.

FxMasterz:
Interestingly, Paul mentioned in his new restaurant letters that he would visit Spain. However, there's no indication that he was able to fulfil that desire before he was arrested.

Spain has no record of Paul's visit. Why should we believe Clement?

So many evidences said so. Who is clement to paul?
Don’t you think Clement’s evidence is most persuasive?

Cyril of Jerusalem (c. 315-386), an Early Church theologian in Jerusalem, passes on the belief that Paul went to Spain: “…(Paul), who from Jerusalem, and even unto Illyricum, fully preached the Gospel, and instructed even imperial Rome, and carried the earnestness of his preaching as far as Spain, undergoing conflicts innumerable, and performing signs and wonders.” Catecheses, Lecture 17.26

Chrysostom, (347-407), Archbishop of Constantinople, apparently one of the most talented preachers in all of Christian history records: “For after he (Paul) had been in Rome, he returned to Spain, but whether he came thence again into these parts, we know not.” Second Timothy, Homily 10

FxMasterz:
The disciples never called themselves Christians. The unbelievers did. It was a derogatory name first used against Paul and his group in Antioch.

They called them chrestians.
Why is “chrestian” a derogatory name, they are murderers that is why, they burnt rome.

FxMasterz:
Paul was taken to Rome in AD 57.

I'm avoiding Christian reference even though it is logical to assume that Christians would have the most detailed history about Paul.

The first screenshot below is taken from Journals.com.

You can follow the link below:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdf/10.1086/474256%23:~:text%3DPaul%2520was%2520arrested%2520in%2520Jerusalem,lived%2520the%2520procurator%252C%2520for%2520imprisonment.&ved=2ahUKEwiP6vThtM3_AhULfMAKHQbMCBsQFnoECA8QBg&usg=AOvVaw3PWrL7whgX73TCyKZAlUvA

The fire of rome was when?
Where in the imprisonment was nero mentioned or great fire?



Writing in about 96 CE (1 Clement), Clement of Rome, who ought to have been aware if Paul was martyred in Rome just a few decades earlier, seems to have believed that Paul continued on to Spain and died there:

1 Clement 5:5–6: By reason of jealousy and strife Paul by his example pointed out the prize of patient endurance. After that he had been seven times in bonds, had been driven into exile, had been stoned, had preached in the East and in the West, he won the noble renown which was the reward of his faith, having taught righteousness unto the whole world and having reached the farthest bounds of the West [Spain; and when he had borne his testimony before the rulers, so he departed from the world and went unto the holy place, having been found a notable pattern of patient endurance.

FxMasterz:
Did you see the part that was not taken from tradition?

What century was he in Rome?
Who imprisoned him?
Quote references where it was “known”.
where in the New Testament did Paul called himself a “Christian”.

FxMasterz:
It is the details of his death that are unknown, not the death itself. See screenshot below:

https://www.britannica.com/question/How-did-St-Paul-the-Apostle-die#:~:text=Paul's%20death%20are%20unknown%2C%20but,the%20city%20in%2064%20CE.

So how did you know the century when he was killed.
How he died? Why he died? Who killed him?
if the details are UNKNOWN.

Of course someone from 6000 years ago should be dead, that’s common sense .

“But tradition” holds” bwahahahah
The same way “tradition” holds moses wrote Torah

FxMasterz:
Paul was beheaded according to tradition.

Take note of the sentence regarding the possible period of his martyrdom. Britannica says "Perhaps it happened in CE 64 when Christians were being secretly persecuted." That's not according to tradition. That's history.

There was no “christian” during Nero Time.
Where in history are they quoting?
Quote the references from brittanica.

FxMasterz:
The screenshot there is from Britannica.

Which history are they quoting, the “unknown”?
Or the “tradition”?

Click the link yourself and see the references of “britannica”

FxMasterz:
How come Nero who existed long before Constantine persecuted Christians in 64 CE according to Britannica?

Are they not quoting According to “tradition”.

Quote history na

There was no “christian” during Nero time.

FxMasterz:
See screenshot below:

Yes, “tradition”, quote history bro, oops, they are “unknown”

FxMasterz:
Roman Cathilosim is a hijacking and corruption of the original Christian faith.

The Christian faith stared in Jerusalem. The Christians were severely persecuted before Rome during the time of Constantine decided to adopt it as state religion. Constantine met Christianity. Christianity was not created by him.

Roman Catholic is the origin of Christianity.
All the books in the New Testament was complied, edited and arranged by them, look up early church fathers.

There was no “christian” that was persecuted before constastine.
Constantine created the foundation of the christianity you have now especially your “trinity”

FxMasterz:
There were. Tradition has it that when he set fire to Rome, he falsely alleged the Christians and started a fierce persecution against them

Paul was beheaded by Nero during his second trial at Nero's judgement seat.

He alleged “Chrestians”, chrestians are murderers and assassins.
And nero didn’t even do the allegations, eye witnesses and historians said it was chrestians.

which century was paul in Rome?
What century was he beheaded?
Any references?

FxMasterz:
Even Constantine himself could be a saint in Roman Catholicism. It doesn't change anything.

Roman Catholic is the origin of Christianity before great schism and further secession.

Your Iesus chrestus is a Roman Propaganda.

FxMasterz:
A fictional character cannot be used for determining such important things as dates. If anyone would intentionally deceive the whole world, such an individual wouldn't deceive himself.

Your weekdays and name of planets are all name of gods.

The person that invented the calendar and named it WHATEVER NAME he liked was dionysus.
Any inventor can name his inventions whatever they like 😂

FxMasterz:
We know it was created in Rome. And we know that a great part of our world currently uses the notation.

Why is constatine mother a saint in Christianity?
Saint helena bwahahaha