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can you provide evidence that paul died at 67AD, I hope it won’t be a typo again?
Also Provide evidence he was arrested, jailed after the fire and was killed in 67AD?

FxMasterz:
While you failed to provide any evidence on your claims?

Chrestians were assassins, murderers and zealots that burnt down rome and killed nero, historian tacitus and suetonius said so

ChocolateWine:
Even for atm machine wey no your account balance limit, you go still ask for your money.

An atm machine is immobile, it was designed to dispense people money when asked to.

FxMasterz:
At this juncture, I'll start ignoring you. You love playing mind games during discussions and always pretend to be oblivious of the points being made.

Thank you for your time. I have it on record that you failed woefully to prove that:

1. Christiana were murderers and arsonists.

2. Christians set fire to Rome.

3. Christianity was a Roman invention.

I gave you enough time to prove yourself already. I'm done with you.

Sleep well.

“Mind games” all because you can’t defend your religion and gods.

can you provide evidence that paul died at 67AD, I hope it won’t be a typo again?
Also Provide evidence he was arrested, jailed after the fire and was killed in 67AD?

Chrestians were assassins, murderers and zealots that burnt down rome and killed nero, historian tacitus and suetonius said so

FxMasterz:
When I said there are many historical reports that Nero executed Paul, did i say that my statement about many historical reports was contained in my screenshots? Was not the incident of Nero's execution of Paul not mentioned in the screenshot?

Yes you did, when i asked for the historical record you said this, stop lying, when i asked for the screenshot you sent your favourite brittanicca history, now that you are stuck you don dey change mouth.

FxMasterz:
Evidence. Your screenshot says nothing.

It says alot, maybe not to you as a believer.
Your New Testament was created and belongs to CHRESTIANS.

FxMasterz:
You first said I didn't give you any screenshot regarding Nero's execution of Paul. I provided you to refute your claims. You're still calling me a liar without conscience. Well, I shouldn't expect much from an atheist. But if you can't prove your claims, don't disturb me unnecessarily. I have other things to do with my time.

You lied, this is what you said “ There are many historical reports that Nero arrested Paul on the basis of the allegation of Christian arson.”
You also said paul died in AD67

Where in this screenshot was all these mentioned?

Theists can’t defend his religion and deities, resulted to lies, listen, chrestianity is a roman propaganda.

The only time paul was imprisoned was in AD 55.

FxMasterz:
Go and sleep if you cannot provide any evidence for your claims that Christians were murderers or that Christianity was invented by Rome.
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Chrestians were murderers, assassins, suetonius and tacitus mentioned it.

FxMasterz:
Are you telling me you're seeing the screenshot below for the first time from me?

You see you're the one lying now?

So where is The many historical reports that Nero arrested Paul on the basis of the allegation of Christian arson at AD 67?
Point it to me in this screenshot.

You see you're the one lying now?

FxMasterz:
Smiling.

You're running away from proving your claims?

This isn't the first time we're discussing Nero's execution of Paul. Scroll up. You'll see the screenshots and links I posted to you to buttress my points.

You should do the same and prove your claims.

can you provide evidence that he died at 67. I hope it won’t be a typo again.

Provide evidence he was arrested and jailed after the fire and was killed in 67AD.

FxMasterz:
Smiling.

You're running away from proving your claims?

This isn't the first time we're discussing Nero's execution of Paul. Scroll up. You'll see the screenshots and links I posted to you to buttress my points.

You should do the same and prove your claims.

Saying “smiling” bwahahahaha

You didn’t drop any screenshot of nero arresting and beheading paul on the basis of arson, this will be in AD67 abi. Stop lying.

The only arrest of paul was when he was in jerusalem and he was freed after 2 years, he left rome by ship to where?
Let’s us ask jerome

FxMasterz:
After the fire. He was arrested and jailed until he was executed.

can you provide evidence that he died at 67. I hope it won’t be a typo again.

Provide evidence he was arrested and jailed after the fire and was killed in 67AD.

FxMasterz:
I have given you different screenshots and link previously about Nero's arrest of Paul. You can make further research.

Now, prove to me that an anonymous writer wrote the book of Timothy. Also prove to me that Christians were murderers and assassins. I would love to see strong evidences for your claims.

No you didn’t give me any screenshots of Nero arrest of paul on the basis of arson.

Now prove to me that paul wrote the book of timothy.

FxMasterz:
AD 57 was a typo. I meant to write 67. I already told you it was an error.

can you provide evidence that he died at 67. I hope it won’t be a typo again.
The great fire was when again

FxMasterz:
AD 57 was a typo. I meant to write 67. I already told you it was an error.

The propaganda that Christianity is an invention of Rome is further established on the link you last posted. The very first paragraphs maintained that Roman emperors did not only attempt to stump out Christianity through persecutions, they even destroyed as many Christian monuments as they could so that no one would ever hear about Christ. Today, we rely only on the few documents that survived the destructions. All these happened before Constantine.

There are many historical reports that Nero arrested Paul on the basis of the allegation of Christian arson. The letters to Timothy had Paul informing Timothy about his impending execution shortly before he was beheaded.

A typo
This is the first time you are saying it is an error.

alot of religions that weren’t state religion were stump out.
And chrestians were murderers and assassins that burnt down rome.

Can you mention one of those historical reports that Nero arrested Paul on the basis of the allegation of Christian arson.


An anonymous writer wrote the First Epistle to Timothy sometime in the late first century or the early second century CE. The epistle represents an example of pseudepigrapha, which are falsely attributed works, texts whose claimed author is not the true author, or a work, whose real author attributed it to a figure of the past.

FxMasterz:
Link to the article.

Read slowly to the end and you will see it.

FxMasterz:
I'll return to the basis of this argument. Do you now believe that Christianity isn't a Romsm invention? All the details you're bringing out about Paul practically disprove your claims.

I don’t “believe”, I know that Chrestainity is a Roman propaganda.

Yes and the details that Paul died in AD 57 on the basis of fire accusation approves your claim.

FxMasterz:
Let's leave that aside. There are many articles for and against the Paul in Spain position. You and I would quote articles to no end.

Quote articles against spain, I’m sure those article writers will have references.

“ In Tarragona (Barcelona) there is a monument to Paul, and the tradition that he preached there. Also, at the other extreme of Spain in the village of Ecija (Seville) there is a monument marking the place where Paul supposedly preached.
Paul is still the Patron Saint of Ecija and for years baptisms were donename of the Father, the Son and the Apostle Paul. One plausible route For Paul's visit would be to enter Spain at Tarragona (Tarraco), passing down the coast to Cadiz and then back through Sevilla, Ecija, Cordoba,, Mérida, Zaragoza and leaving again from the port of Ampuias (Emporias ) on the coast between Barcelona and the French border. It should be remembered that travel between Spain and Italy was a common occurrence and what happened in one country did not escape the notice of the other.
The evidence is strongly in favor of Paul having visited Spain. However that alone would not have been sufficient to evangelize Spain to the extent we
see at such an early date. There had to have been others that did the bulk of the the work. Who these were makes for interesting conjectures. Spain was very closely linked to Rome and maybe some of the converted Pretorium guards that were with Paul in Rome were sent to Spain where they testified to others.”
https://johnsonspain.tripod.com/id69.html

FxMasterz:
Why do you like distractions? Can't you focus on the current issue being discussed when you read an article?

Did I say there are no insinuations that Paul went to Spain? I mentioned that there are suggestions that he did but there's no evidence. That's where I actually started from. You shouldn't even look at distractions like this while ignoring the current matter being discussed.

Why do you like cherry picking things that suits you?
The link you want to use as “evidence” mentioned paul went to spain, he referenced clement.

There are “evidences” that he went to spain.

“early documents, such as the letter written by Clement of Rome to the church in Corinth in 69 A.D. indicate that Paul did in fact reach Spain.
In his letter, Clement states that "Paul also obtained the reward of patient endurance, after being thrown into jail seven times, compelled to flee, and stoned. After preaching both in the east and west, he gained the illustrious reputation due to his faith, having taught righteousness to the whole world, and come to the extreme limit of the west, and suffered martyrdom under the prefects."(5) The expression "extreme limit of the west" was commonly understood to be Hispania or what is now the kingdom of Spain.(6) Other independent witnesses are found in Cyril of Jerusalem who writes, " --one,
who from Jerusalem, and even unto Il1yricum, fully preached the Gospel, andinstructed even imperial Rome, and carried the earnestness of his preaching asfar as Spain, undergoing conflicts innumerable, and performing Signs andwonders"(7) Chrysostom also writes about Paul stating, "For after he had been
in Rome, he returned to Spain, but whether he came thence again into these'parts, we know not.".


You already said, Paul died in AD 57 on the basis of fire accusation na

FxMasterz:
I meant Britannica. Not Wikipedia. At least you knew what you read.

I never said Paul went to Spain. We're only currently concerned about how Paul died.

Your link said paul was in spain. Read your own link.
You too read
https://johnsonspain.tripod.com/id69.html

You already said, Paul died in AD 57 on the basis of fire accusation na

FxMasterz:
Wikipedia said the detais are unknown even though we have the details. I just don't want to bother you with Christian history.

Read from the link below:

https://drivethruhistory.com/the-execution-of-paul/

Where did Wikipedia say his death are unknown?

Are you reading your own link?

Paul has gone to spain now abi

FxMasterz:
https://insight.org/resources/article-library/individual/historical-background-of-paul-s-final-imprisonment

Are you even reading your own links
Paul died in AD 57 on the basis of fire accusation abi at the same time, paul death details are unknown

Bwahahahaha

FxMasterz:
The screenshot plainly told you that Nero was responsible for persecution of Christians after a fire outbreak. If Paul was imprisoned at that time on the basis of the fire accusation, who killed Paul? Paul was actually beheaded by Nero around AD 57.

Which screenshot?

Fire of Rome was when?
When did paul die?
When was paul imprisoned?

FxMasterz:
Who said unknown? The details of his death was unknown. Not the actual death, nor the actual existence of the personality called Paul. Why are you emphasising one word?

This is what Britannica said:

"The exact details of St. Paul’s death are unknown, but tradition holds that he was beheaded in Rome and thus died as a martyr for his faith. His death was perhaps part of the executions of Christians ordered by the Roman emperor Nero following the great fire in the city in 64 CE. It is known that St. Paul was imprisoned in Rome and wrote several of his epistles (letters) during his captivity there."

Take note of the bolded.

Saint paul was imprisoned by who?
When was he released?

If his details of death are UNKNOWN, how did you know he died by hanging?

Your bolded only talked about his arrest which was in what century?
What century did rome burn?
What century did paul die?

“It is known that St. Paul was imprisoned in Rome and wrote several of his epistles (letters) during his captivity there."
What had this got to do with hanging, nero and paul death?”

If you know paul died by hanging from Nero, then which details again is UNKNOWN?

FxMasterz:
Smiling. That one is indisputable. I gave you evidence from both Wikipedia and Encyclopedia Britannica.

same one that said UNKNOWN?
And which Wikipedia did you post bwahahaha
Be reading it before posting ehn

Paul only spent 2/3 years in roman prison, it has no connection with Nero and he was released.

FxMasterz:
Smiling.

You have no evidence for your claims of Paul in Spain. Let's allow the matter to rest.

You have no evidence that paul was beheaded by King Nero.
Let's allow the matter to rest.


Romans 15:23-24.

23 But now that there is no more place for me to work in these regions, and since I have been longing for many years to visit you, 24 I plan to do so when I go to Spain.

FxMasterz:
Spain is a Christian country for crying out loud.

Paul is an important personality in christiendom. If Paul was in Spain, Spain would have references.

What has spain been a christian country got to do with anything for crying out loud?

Where is turkey reference of paul?

FxMasterz:
I said bring evidence from Spain. That's not too much to ask.

Bring evidence that paul was an important person in history that will make countries to have his record.

FxMasterz:
But you said Paul went to Spain. Is that not laughable?

Many ancient christian writers said it.
Don’t you like “writers and bloggers” as your sources of history again?



“Clement of Rome, a co-worker with Paul, who is mentioned in Philippians 4:3: “Yes, and I ask you, my true companion, help these women since they have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement and the rest of my co-workers, whose names are in the book of life.” Apparently Clement, Paul’s co-laborer, became the Bishop of Rome (88-99) and is one of the earliest Apostolic Church Fathers (men who had personally known one of the Twelve Apostles or Paul) whose writings survive.

In Clement’s letter I Clement 5:5-7 (c. 70’s just c. 40 years after the Resurrection and c. 20 years after Paul wrote Romans) Bishop Clement writes:

“Because of jealousy and strife, Paul, by his example, pointed out the way to the prize for patient endurance. After he had been seven times in chains, had been driven into exile, had been stoned and had preached in the East and in the West, he won the genuine glory for his faith, having taught righteousness to the whole world and having reached the farthest limits of the West. (‘to terma tes duseos’) Finally, when he had given his testimony before the rulers, he thus departed from the world and went to the holy place, having become an outstanding example of patient endurance.”

FxMasterz:
Give us your own Spanish proof.
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Even Paul home country doesn’t have proof that paul a nobody existed 6000 years ago.

FxMasterz:
Give us your own Spanish proof.

Bloggers and writers don't create history but they can make reference to history from anywhere as long as it is generally accepted to be true.

Give us your reference for Spain. The Turkish talk is just a distraction.

Using book of acts written by an UNKNOWN AUTHOR is not a reference of history.


Give us references of King Nero beheading Paul. The spanish talk is just a distraction.

FxMasterz:
We've have enough of this already. Paul's presence in Turkey is recognized by the Turkish. Whether they be bloggers or writers.

Give us the same quality of evidence for Spain.

Where is his presence recognized by the “Turkish”?
Bloggers or writers don’t create history, they work on references, and those tourism site got theirs from Book of Acts, they are not historians.

“All those cities mentioned on those sites have no biblical reference.” bwahhahahahah

FxMasterz:
And Turkish are so gullible to swallow in the record of only one man?

What concerns an average turkish with a name of a rural trail?


Paul is a Latin name not a “Christian”name.