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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 8:37pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
People with much larger following than Jesus had at the time claim to be performing same miracles today, yet nobody is recording them EXCEPT their followers. Explain that

Mention the people at that time.
Apart from iesus followers who else is recording his miracles, when will y’all go to hospitals and mortuaries to show una miracles?

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 8:35pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
Zeus never lived. Mention another person who could forgive sins or asked people to call upon him

How did you know zeus never lived?
Bring out your source, let’s look for yahweh on it too.
He was worshipped for hundred of years mistake thousand of years, not even 2000, how come ? cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 8:29pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
Of course Christian stories exist in the NT, where else do you want them to exist? It is like asking why the details of the life of your family patriarch only exist in a book written by your family. Why would anyone else care to write about your family patriarch??

If your family patriach is making history, it will he recorded. You can’t be walking on water, turning water to wine, waking dead people and their will be no record of it.
John the baptist was recorded by Josephus, judas of Galilee was recorded by Josephus and other historians.

It’s only fairytales that are gotten from one source.
Not to forget, New Testament belongs to Chrestians.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 8:24pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
You missed the second part of my post.
Here:

About Jesus never lived, has it ever occured to you guys that someone with an agenda is lying to you, manipulating you?
It is now, over 2000 years later that you suddenly find out Jesus never lived. Those who lived close to his time on earth not only knew he lived but were fanatical about him, including emperors and learned ones.
Have you ever asked yourself why it is only people who live over 2000 years after his crucification who came up with the idea he never lived??!

Iesus chrestus doesn’t exist outside New Testament, it’s a Roman Paraody.
There are many religions that lasted more than 2000 years.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 8:17pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
Yes, there were indeed a lots of Messiahs and then there was one carpenter without money, connections, or much followership, who claimed oneness with God, and said way back then, over 2000 years ago, that how you'd know the real messiah was that the fake ones would all fade away. Sure enough, over 2000 years later, here we are!

This early chrestians are literally trolling grin

You have to be dumb to be a believer, believing a Virgin gave birth grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 8:09pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
Yes, there were indeed a lots of Messiahs and then there was one carpenter without money, connections, or much followership, who claimed oneness with God, and said way back then, over 2000 years ago, that how you'd know the real messiah was that the fake ones would all fade away. Sure enough, over 2000 years later, here we are!

All your stories only exist inside New Testament.
Lots of religions are over 2000 years old, go and check zeus cult lol
Even serapsis cult is over 2000 years old.

One has a natural tendency to look to religions to be based on something positive, good; Chrestianity was the exact opposite: it was political, with the purpose of supporting Imperial clients in the Levant against Messianic Judaism (which was a rising force).

It did this not by promoting itself, but by instigating conflict with Messianic Jews, just look at their character and actions: the Imperial chamberlain Epaphroditus; the Prefect of Judaea, Felix; the common-law wife of Emperor Vespasian, Caenis.

They are those members who built the sect through the first century, killing Nero and Domitian (within less than a century).

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 7:00pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
Things ought have a reason.
So why did "Chrestians" create the NT or was it that they didn't have enough to worry about with all those persecutions from Romans?!

Do you think the books in the New Testament was written at the same time?
Start by asking, Who are the chrestians?
If you know them you will know why they burnt rome and killed nero which made them to be persecuted but later became state religion.

Codex Sinaiticus, of the fourth century, was explicitly Chrestian; this Bible was conceived as Black Propaganda against Messianic Judaism, which is one reason why the early dates offered for its individual books are highly doubtful; it parodies both the Ebionim and the Messianic expectations of sacred, Jewish literature, after the Wars had ended.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 6:58pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
Bros, you keep missing the fact that Jesus is Spirit. How does Mark ending in unicorns affect that? A spirit working in people's lives as we speak, TODAY! No amount of revisionism can negate that!

Yahweh worshipper, Jesus is a latin name for males, spirit means breathe.
Don’t delude yourself, you don too watch movies, that’s where you got the idea of “spirit”.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 5:37pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
You keep quoting nonsense written by anti-christians and argumentative atheists. My man, Lord Jesus is a LIVING SPIRIT that went to Rome, Europe, Africa, and supplanted all their false gods. Paul was like you. I hope you have encounter with the Spirit like he did. It'd open your eyes!

My man, jesus is a latin name given for males.
Spirit means breathe, wind, air.
Your Iesus chrestus doesn’t exist outside New Testament created by chrestians.
You have been DUPED, believer.

I hope you don’t die a yahweh worshipper waiting for a jewish savior!

Look at the original ending of mark.
https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/new-testament/the-strange-ending-of-the-gospel-of-mark-and-why-it-makes-all-the-difference/

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 5:30pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
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Another desperation, who are the authors of the Isaiah book you are quoting, or you think they were written in one century by Isaiah.
You believe Isaiah saw the future bwahahaha
Believers sha grin

That chapter would be about a Jewish leader of the sixth century BCE, probably Zedekiah, the last king of Judah, whose eyes were put out (“wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities”) before he was taken in chains (“brought as a lamb to the slaughter”) to prison in Babylon. That takes it out of the realm of prophecy but into the context in which Second Isaiah was writing.

In Isaiah 53:6, the Lord has placed all the guilt and blame for the present circumstances onto the Suffering Servant—the man who had been their king. Isaiah 53:4 tells us that, as their king, Zedekiah took responsibility for the suffering of the people (“borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows”) and they esteemed his sufferings and afflictions at the hands of his Babylonian captors.

Isaiah 53:3 tells us the Jews exiled with the man of sorrows hid their faces from him and despised him.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 5:04pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
Talk about being confused and desperate. So everything written about this wonderful Judas and John the Baptist are perfect but all the old writings about Jesus by his associates and followers being found in various caves and parchment till today are all false, all made up!
My friend Embrace the TRUTH!
Lord Jesus is not a one off. He was foretold. He came and said he was the one foretold. Most importantly, he has been working wonders in people's lives all these centuries, and here you are, mired in arguments as to wether he was one Judas! Unbelievable!

Josephus was writing about history and there are other sources that agrees with it.

What old writings by jesus associate?
All the gospel were written by UNKNOWN AUTHORS.
The earliest and original New Testament belongs to chrestians.
My friend, You HAVE BEEN DUPED.

Gospel of mark is the first gospel to be written, others copied mark work.

You know jesus means yahweh saves.
Have you look up yahweh on Wikipedia, don’t cherry pick oo grin

You are yet to tell me when “Christianity” went to rome cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 4:35pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
I am confused and desperate? It would seem you just described yourself.
Here you are, arguing something that has long been settled by TIME. Different if these things happened yesterday. These are things that have stood the test of time. Lord Jesus was FORTOLD extensively before he came. And when he came he confirmed he was the one foretold and said time would prove it because all these other messiahs (there were many) would fade away but his words and ministry would only expand and last. Herr we are 2000 years later and He is 100% right. Yet you are still arguing ! What exactly are you arguing??!!

Where was jesus foretold extensively, inside the tanakh?
Bring it out.

Jesus was born in 8-4 BCE (Matthew) and in 6 CE at the Census of Cyrenius (Luke). Judas was mentioned by Josephus in 4 BCE, relating to the Golden Eagle Temple Cleansing (Ant. 17.149-167) and in 6 CE, regarding the Census of Cyrenius (Ant. 18.1-10) The birth narratives in Matthew and Luke are both inconsistent with the reign of Pilate and the ministry of John the Baptist. For example, if Jesus were born in 4 BCE and died thirty-three years later, then he would have died around 30 CE, during the reign of Pilate but five years before John the Baptist’s death. (Ant. 18.116-119) If Jesus were born in 6 CE and died thirty-three years later, then he would have died in 39 CE, a few years after John the Baptist but two years after Pilate left Judea. Both accounts appear historically flawed. These two birth narratives were strategically placed in an era when Judas the Galilean’s ministry flourished. This deception moved the adult Jesus thirty years away from Judas the Galilean, thus hiding the Messiah's true identity.
This misdirection by the Gospel writers has worked brilliantly. Very few scholars have even considered Jesus outside of the 30 CE timeframe. This is even more disturbing considering Jesus' brother, James, was purported to be ninety-six years old in 62 CE. Even if this slightly exaggerates his age by ten years, James' birth date can be estimated at approximately 35-25 BCE. Jesus was the older brother and could not have been born any later than 25 BCE.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 4:24pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
There you go again with your selective quotation of Wikipedia (which anyone can edit by the way).
Mention of Lord Jesus was by Eusebus but mentiom 9f Judas was not!

You are confused and desperate. Why don’t you edit it? Go ahead

Who is Eusebius?

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 4:12pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
Meaning what? I just told you it makes no sense that Lord Jesus be mentioned by any serious historian.
Why would someone writing the history of the British Empire mention some small time religious cult leader in Ota village?? That His mention is being discussed at all is a miracle!

No historian mention Iesus chrestus.
What you showed me is an interpolation, all the works of josephus are gotten from eusebuis.

Josephus was talking about judas of Galilee.

That judas of Galilee became Iesus chrestus your savior.
You are worshipping a roman parody.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 3:51pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
See, this is what I'm saying: arguing a LIVING SPIRIT with someone not spiritual at all. It is a waste of time.

You keep saying "Outside New Testament, your iesus chrestus doesn’t exist". Firstly you know full well that's a lie. You know he was mentioned by historian Josephus - which is really miraculous. It is like a Nigerian historian mentioning a very minor Togolese religious cult leader with virtually no following, in the history of Nigeria!

That's what confuses you people - you confuse the stature of Lord Jesus today with his stature when he was crucified. Why would anyone mention him? Crucifixions were common and he was a very minor religious cult leader with very few followers, most of whom deserted at His death. Why would anyone writing history menton Him??

Eusebius the master forger cheesy

You are a ignorant yahweh worshipper, do you really want to go into josephus cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 2:22pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
Don't run ke. Run where?
My brother discussions have to have some logic to them.
This reminds me of the tales of Otem Atum (search for him on NL).
Why are these Chrestians suddenly happy to die - for who exactly. And isn't it a little bit suspicious to you that their advent and persecution coincided perfectly with the followers of Lord Jesus?
Are you sure you are not Otem Atum with a new moniker?

That’s what religion does.

Can you provide evidence where there persecution coincided perfectly with the followers of lord jesus.
Outside New Testament, your iesus chrestus doesn’t exist.

Nero was crucifying chrestians.

I don’t know otem otem lol bwahahahaha

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 2:00pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
I thought you said Chrestianity started 100's of years BC. Isn't it so convenient that it now started 1st century.

My brother, this is a TOTAL waste of my time.
Nice chatting witcha
Bye bye

I just learnt something today, thank you, PoliteActivist.

Didn’t i tell you about the pioneers of chrestianity?

The worship of isis chrest started in In Ptolemaic Egypt, the goddes Isis - she was the Last Queen of Ancient Egypt, when rulers were men, worshipped across the Roman Empire and the last Queen Cleopatra was the resurrected Isis - became Isis Chrest.

Julius Caesar and later, Mark Antony, became the husband of this divine Cleopatra claiming the Romans as her Divine Consort; between them were fathered a number of children; among them was Antonia.

Antonia was the legitimate daughter of Mark Antony and Octavia Minor, and founded a polythesistic, imperial cult. Their followers called themselves Chrestian in the early decades of the first century of the modern era.

We thus see that Isis Chrest is linked, through Cleopatra and Mark Antony, to Chrestianity.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_century_BC

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 1:55pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
I thought you said Chrestianity started 100's of years BC. Isn't it so convenient that it now started 1st century.

My brother, this is a TOTAL waste of my time.
Nice chatting witcha
Bye bye

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 1:55pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
I thought you said Chrestianity started 100's of years BC. Isn't it so convenient that it now started 1st century.

My brother, this is a TOTAL waste of my time.
Nice chatting witcha
Bye bye

Don’t run.
Worship of serapsis started at 322BC
The worship of isis chrest started in In Ptolemaic Egypt, the goddes Isis - she was the Last Queen of Ancient Egypt, when rulers were men, worshipped across the Roman Empire and the last Queen Cleopatra was the resurrected Isis - became Isis Chrest.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 1:53pm On Jun 12, 2023*

PoliteActivist:
I thought you said Chrestianity started 100's of years BC. Isn't it so convenient that it now started 1st century.

My brother, this is a TOTAL waste of my time.
Nice chatting witcha
Bye bye

Yahweh worshipper ??
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_century_BC

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 1:50pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
With all due respect my brother, this us pure nonsense. So what were the Chrestians so passionate about to the point of blissfully accepting death?
Who was St. Paill writing to? Why is NT full of Lord Jesus and not Chrestians?

My brother it is rubbish to you because of indoctrination. There are many messiahs and chrestus with its followers.
Iesus chrestus doesn’t exist outside New Testament.
Show me when paul called himseld “chrestian”.

Look at what tacitus said about those that burnt rome.

Who are these early church fathers altering and doing forgery.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 1:39pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
So who was the Chrestians writing about in this their book - the NT?

The new testament is a modern name given to it by early church fathers, they are called codex, go check out codex sinaiticus.

Let’s go to how the books are complied and added, most of the books in your New Testament are written by unknown authors.

remind: Chrestianity is a pagan, imperial cult starting in the early first century. It first appears as supporting imperial clients in the Levant and in so doing, opposing Messianic Judaism, seen as competing against the claimed divinity of the Emperor.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 1:34pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
First, why are you writing Jesus as iesus
What is the genesis of these "Chrestians" and what are they so passionate about. The perfection all historians record is that which started with advent of followers of Lord Jesus and ended with Constantine

Where is “jesus” from?

Iesus chrestus doesn’t exist outside New Testament.

You said persecution, look at what suetonius said about chrestians that burnt rome and killed nero.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Earth Is Flat ....not Spherical. by Maynmann: 1:32pm On Jun 12, 2023

sonmvayina:
Space is fake...

NASA generated images..

There is water above the firmament

Yes the water is the skies.
The tanakh you are reading, translate those words to hebrew to know the original meaning.

We have shamayin— skies.
We have mayin—- seas.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 1:29pm On Jun 12, 2023*

PoliteActivist:
You've made this statement several times. So why is same NT full of words and exploits of Lord Jesus and his followers??

Interpolations, editing, forgery and plagiarism.
New Testament is one of the most corrected document in history.

Outside of new testament created by chrestians, your iesus chrestua doesn’t exist.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 1:24pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
Here's what you should answer:

So why did their persecution suddenly start at time of spreading of gospel of Lord Jesus and suddenly end when edict of Millan legitimatized Christianity?

Where in history did it say that, show me where Chrestians persecution started, which century?
Have you forgotten yall were first called chrestians in Antioch?

What century was your iesus born?

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 1:19pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
I mean persecution. I corrected it right away

I don’t think you know who chrestians are.
It was chrestians who burnt down rome and killed nero, your new testament belongs to chrestians.

Mithridates Chrestus in Pontus (flourished 2nd century BCE). Inscription on Delos:
To Zeus Ourios on behalf of King
Mithradates Eupator
and his brother
Mithradates Chrestus
and their fortunes.

Gymnasiarch Dionysus son of Neon erected a statue of Eupator and Chrestus in 115 BCE; Ins. Delos 1560; Durrbach, Choix 187 No. 113; also dedication to Zeus Ourios on behalf of Eupator and Chrestus, Ins. Delos 1561, Durrbach, Choix 189 No. 114.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 1:18pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
You are still lost in semantics. Lord Jesus is a LIVING SPIRIT. I pray you have a direct encounter with the Spirit, let's see if you won't turn 180 degrees like Paul!

You are the one lost in semantics.
Jesus is a latin name for males.
Spirit means breathe.

I hope you have knowledge on the words you are using, and don’t be a yahweh worshipper waiting for a jewish saviour in a New Testament.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 1:13pm On Jun 12, 2023*

PoliteActivist:
So why did their perfection suddenly start at time of spreading of gospel of Lord Jesus and suddenly end when edict of Millan legitimatized Christianity?

Where did chrestians “prefection” suddenly start at the lord jesus?

Your New Testament belongs to Chrestians.
Chrestianity was made a State Religion.

In Ptolemaic Egypt, the goddes Isis - she was the Last Queen of Ancient Egypt, when rulers were men, worshipped across the Roman Empire and the last Queen Cleopatra was the resurrected Isis - became Isis Chrest.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Earth Is Flat ....not Spherical. by Maynmann: 1:07pm On Jun 12, 2023

sonmvayina:
hi

Have you heard of the Van Allen belt?

What about it?

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 1:06pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
So why was Rome suddenly persecuting them and feeding them to animals? Or that.didn’t happen either?

Suddenly?
Do you think chrestians are peaceful people?
They are murderers, they burnt rome and killed king nero.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 1:05pm On Jun 12, 2023

PoliteActivist:
Why do you confuse yourself with semantics and very selectively quoting Wikipedia? Christ is Spirit not bound by semantics or a book. Why not pray you have a direct experience with the Spirit (as Paul did) so you'll see for yourself

Where is the selective wikipedia, why don’t you quote your own parts?
Christ is a greek word, and it means anointed with OIL.
In hebrew it is “messiah”, there are a lot of messiahs in tanakh.
Spirit means breathe, wind, air, why don’t you have knowledge on the words you are regurgitating?

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