Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 12:59pm On Jun 12, 2023 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: You cannot be an atheists and have objective morality. by Maynmann: 9:55am On Jun 12, 2023*. Modified: 10:35am On Jun 12, 2023 |
Steep: God taking the life of a baby does not contradict God's nature because those took them to be in a better place. God's type of love is not eros. I don't understand your question concerning onan. Yes even a landlord can bmdo whatever he likes because he is under the state. Why did god create them in the first place if he will take them to be in a better place? Is he not Omniscience? Eros doesn’t murder children unlike yahweh. You said sex is between married couples, anything outside is wrong, did onan marry temar, what did your god do when he slept with her? So can the state do whatever they like? |
Christianity Etc › Re: You cannot be an atheists and have objective morality. by Maynmann: 9:53am On Jun 12, 2023 |
Steep: in God's justice system there is room for mercy David should have died but he cried to God for mercy I don't understand your question concerning samuel? Didn’t samuel murder a king? Why was david spared then if your loving god has no room for mercy? |
Christianity Etc › Re: You cannot be an atheists and have objective morality. by Maynmann: 9:41am On Jun 12, 2023 |
Steep: if man murders another person his life can be taken whether he likes if or not. Why was david and Samuels life not taken? It seems some people are more moral than your god. Killing someone after they killed someone, what is the morality behind it?
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Christianity Etc › Re: You cannot be an atheists and have objective morality. by Maynmann: 9:30am On Jun 12, 2023 |
Steep: I asked you a question earlier on which you have not answered. When a father removes his child from a toxic environment m, is it justified? Rape is against God's design for sex. Does rent means he can do whatever he likes with the house? No he can only do what the agreement says. A tenant does not truly own the place. I asked you a question much earlier. Is murder of babies is not contrary to his nature as god of love, eros? Was onan married to temar? Even the landlord can’t do whatever he likes, a landlord does not truly owns his land |
Christianity Etc › Re: You cannot be an atheists and have objective morality. by Maynmann: 9:28am On Jun 12, 2023 |
Steep: Hitler can only justify his actions if there is no objective morality. “people's life can be taken even against their will, If it is justifiable.” Explain how lives can be taken if it is justifiable. |
Christianity Etc › Re: You cannot be an atheists and have objective morality. by Maynmann: 9:12am On Jun 12, 2023 |
Steep: that is not what murder is, people's life can be taken even against their will, If it is justifiable. For you to say rape or murder is wrong there needs to be an objective standard? You can only say rape is wrong because sex was created between two consenting adults who are married, anything outside of this is sin. What you are saying is that God can contradict himself which is not possible. Another way to look at this is purpose or design. Sex was design for adults withing a marriage relationship is a seal of love, anything outside of this is wrong, that is where rape falls into.
Life exist primarily for God, taking another person's life becomes wrong but God can take peoples life it is not wrong because they exist for him in the first place.
yes people are not the true owner of anything in the real sense, people are like stewards, God is the true owner. Just like a tenant can refer to his room as "my room" this does not mean he truly own the room. What’s the justification of your god killing babies? Do you think hitler can’t justify his killing of jews? Murder was designed for who? Your god can also rape babies because they exist for him in the first place. Was onan married to Tamar? If a tenant has paid his rent, that’s his room and he truly owns it until his rent expires.
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Christianity Etc › Re: You cannot be an atheists and have objective morality. by Maynmann: 8:35am On Jun 12, 2023 |
Steep: yes babies are born with free will but not active until till certain age.
humans cannot truly own any human, and you definitely can treat anyone the way you like because we are all properties of God. Murder too is a violation of human freewill, why is your god contradicting it and killing babies? Your god can murder and rape innocent babies as they are his property. What do you mean “truly own”? You said this “ You cannot be accused of raping your property but when it comes to life no human can own any human.” You also said this “when people sold themselves they can become property of other humans”  |
Christianity Etc › Re: You cannot be an atheists and have objective morality. by Maynmann: 8:31am On Jun 12, 2023 |
LordReed: Wow. Just wow. Bro, i mean this is crazy. Look at what a fellow human steep is saying because she wants to defend her israelite god. It’s crazy |
Christianity Etc › Re: You cannot be an atheists and have objective morality. by Maynmann: 8:17am On Jun 12, 2023 |
Steep: Do babies have freewill?
when people sold themselves they can become property of other humans. So babies are not born with freewill, at what age do they acquire it? And from where? Your god can also rape babies too, since they don’t have freewill right? So humans can truly own humans, and the owners can rape and kill them right and that’s objectively right since they are property? |
Christianity Etc › Re: You cannot be an atheists and have objective morality. by Maynmann: 8:03am On Jun 12, 2023 |
Steep: rape is a violation of human freewill, God cannot contradict himself.
You cannot be accused of raping your property but when it comes to life no human can own any human. No parents don't own their children, parents are like stewards. Murder too is a violation of human freewill, why is your god contradicting it and killing babies? Apart from Humans what else can we rape and not be accused of raping, steep. No human can own any human, yet isrealites and their god were taking slaves and even having virgins for themselves, how come? |
Christianity Etc › Re: You cannot be an atheists and have objective morality. by Maynmann: 7:45am On Jun 12, 2023 |
Does this property have “free will”? Steep: "Murder" only exist for humans not God.
Just as stealing only exist when you are not the owner of a property. You can't be accused of stealing your own property can you? So as “Rape” too it only exist for humans not your god. Using your logic Can you be accused of raping your own property, can you? Can you be accused of killing your own property, can you? Can you be accused of doing evil to your own property, can you? Is a child a property of his parents? In the desperate attempt to defend your Israelite god, look at what you’ve become  |
Christianity Etc › Re: You cannot be an atheists and have objective morality. by Maynmann: 7:39am On Jun 12, 2023 |
Steep: You didn't answer the question? Listen to your advice, you didn’t answer mine too. murder of babies is not contrary to his nature as god of love, eros? |
Christianity Etc › Re: You cannot be an atheists and have objective morality. by Maynmann: 7:35am On Jun 12, 2023 |
Steep: what universal law? You mean an objective morality, yes morality is objective and it's source is from God. So let me ask you, if a father chooses to remove his children from a toxic environment, is the father does it mean the father does not love his children? Your source doesn’t mind murdering innocent babies, what is the morality behind it? “Remove” you mean by murdering the child, yes the father is a murderer. Is this father also Omniscience ? A father can’t do as he pleases to his children. |
Christianity Etc › Re: You cannot be an atheists and have objective morality. by Maynmann: 7:11am On Jun 12, 2023 |
Steep: According to atheist world view nothing is right or wrong just opinions. Rape is contrary to God's nature as a God of love. But murder of babies is not contrary to his nature as god of love, eros? Your god can’t do as he pleases, he is also under the “universal law”. |
Christianity Etc › Re: You cannot be an atheists and have objective morality. by Maynmann: 6:14am On Jun 12, 2023 |
Steep: Babies are God's property he can take them if and when he wishes. He can also rape them if and when he wishes, they are his property. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 2:15am On Jun 12, 2023 |
PoliteActivist: But Theists don't say religion thrives on ignorance. You say it, meanwhile you're a religion! This makes no sense yahweh worshipper. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 2:14am On Jun 12, 2023 |
PoliteActivist: My friend point is Lord Jesus was never called any of those names so technically they are not his names. But we know who we are talking about - that's what counts.
So regale us: why were the Romans persecuting "Chrestians". And Paul's letter to the church in Rome, was it written to Chrestians? And Paul himself, was he a "Chrestian"? My friend, jesus is a latin name, if your savior was a jewish man he would have been called just another hebrew name. Iesus chrestus doesn’t exist outside New Testament. In your bible, who named paul a Chrestian? Did he name himself that? Was paul not called a “ring leader of the nazarene?”
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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 1:35am On Jun 12, 2023 |
PoliteActivist: Atheism is a religion! The same way Theism is a religion bwahahaha |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 1:35am On Jun 12, 2023 |
PoliteActivist: So transliterate the other names. Spanish pronounce Jesus as Hesus. So? Bottom line, we know who we are talking about. So stop being nit picky about Christian and Chrestian! Hope you know the difference between translation and transliteration? So spanish pronouce janitor as hanitor?show me where you saw it. Also we are not talking about pronunciation here but translation into another language. The New Testament you are basing your life on belongs to Chrestians. From Codex Sinaiticus, we learn that all previous manuscripts that became included in the Modern New Testament are not “Christian”, but Chrestian; we can see how monks much later scratched the Greek H (E) used in Chrest to become the I of Christ. Religion thrives on ignorance.
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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 1:23am On Jun 12, 2023 |
SIRTee15: Stop wasting your time on this clueless atheist, trust me it's waste of time. Nairaland atheist are mostly intellectually deficient, u will gain less by engaging with them. They make bogus claim they can't defend or produce evidence for. One came here and claimed Isaac Newton was an atheist. When I disproved it and showed he was actually a Christian, he turned around and said he was a secret atheist bit couldn't prove it. Some will start arguing the bible they know nothing about. They just like throwing around big big meaningless arguments that lacks substance. Exactly you disprove him and showed him evidence, if the guy couldn’t provide evidence you should be able to understand na, theists do it all the time. Pele Yahweh worshipper.  How is arguing on newton religion relates to arguing about the bible? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 1:07am On Jun 12, 2023 |
PoliteActivist: Ok, what is Lalasticlala in Yoruba. What is Emeka in Hausa What is Tinubu in Igbo What is Shehu in Itshekiri
Let's hear it Let’s start from emeka. Is emeka not an igbo name? Jesus is a latin name as iesus, how did iesus turn to jesus?
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Christianity Etc › Re: You cannot be an atheists and have objective morality. by Maynmann: 12:50am On Jun 12, 2023 |
Steep: Going by the atheists world view rape is neither good or bad just just a mere opinion. Which again reinforces it that atheism has no basis for objective morality just individual or society views. Steep said it is right for their god to kill innocent babies because he created them. It’s right for your god to murder his creations, is it also right for your god to rape his creations? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 12:48am On Jun 12, 2023 |
PoliteActivist: My brother stop confusing yourself. Proper names have neither translation nor transliteration, except to spell out the meaning of the name in another language. Corruption of the spelling or the pronunciation of a proper name doesn't make that transliteration of the name. Lord Jesus had a name he was given at birth that came with the proper spelling and proper pronunciation, which you can't change to anything else, no matter what language you happen to be speaking! My brother, Stop saying what you don’t know. Proper names are translated into different languages, you are calling it “jesus” because it has been transliterated in English, if you were a greek, you will call it lesous. If your savior was a jewish man he would have been named like any jew boy, “yeshua” is a very common hebrew name. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua
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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 8:42pm On Jun 11, 2023*. Modified: 9:09pm On Jun 11, 2023 |
PoliteActivist: But he was never called Jesus - so there you have it, that's not who Christians are following! You should know that New Testament was written in Greek. And the Transliteration of Yeshua in Greek is lesous, in latin it is iesus, the early church fathers had to replace i with j to give “jesus”. Jesus is a latin name of yeshua. The correct Translation of Yeshua is Joshua. |
Food › Re: 120-hour Cookathon: Inspire Others With An Unwavering Spirit - Hilda To Dammy by Maynmann: 8:40pm On Jun 11, 2023 |
adioolayi: Hilda ...free spirited...devoid of jealousy and hatred.
It's another level of fulfilment for her, seeing her own feat has inspired another person to take on greater challenge.
It's a good one from Hilda. Just as she was inspired before she broke the record. |
Christianity Etc › Re: You cannot be an atheists and have objective morality. by Maynmann: 8:32pm On Jun 11, 2023 |
Steep: Is a Nigerian court competent enough to give judgement on something that happened in China? A chinese court too is also not “competent” enough to give judgement on something that happened in Nigeria. You are confused yahweh worshipper. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 8:28pm On Jun 11, 2023 |
PoliteActivist: Here's proof that if you write something, no matter how nonsensical, someone would believe it. In that case, you can go a step further - Lord Jesus was never called Jesus; his name was Yeshua - no one ever called Jesus. Therefore Christians are following someone else! Arrant stupidity If he spoke aramaic, he would have been called isho, no wonder it is “isa” in quran. If isho was alive he would have been a judaist. “Christianity” is a greek word, so when did “Christianity” went to rome? New testament was written in Rome language, the mother of all churches in in Rome.
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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist vs Christians thread by Maynmann: 7:10pm On Jun 11, 2023 |
PoliteActivist: With all due respect I try to avoid stupid arguments. I don't argue settled history. If you are being semantic that the word "Christianity" had not yet been coined, same thing - you know full well I'm referring to followers of Lord Jesus So where in history were “followers of lord jesus”crucified? The new testament you are basing your life on belongs to Chrestians.
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Christianity Etc › Re: You cannot be an atheists and have objective morality. by Maynmann: 6:14pm On Jun 11, 2023 |
Steep: you said murder means unsanctioned killings, so when Hitler sanctioned the killings of millions of Jews, it wasn't murder 🤣 I ask again is murder subjective? When yahweh santioned the killings of men, women and even children, it wasn’t murder? You keep shooting yourself in the foot  Numbers 16:35 Fire also came forth from the Lord and consumed the two hundred and fifty men who were offering the incense. Deuteronomy 4:3 Your eyes have seen what the Lord has done in the case of Baal-peor, for all the men who followed Baal-peor, the Lord your God has destroyed them from among you. Judges 20:35 And the Lord struck Benjamin before Israel, so that the sons of Israel destroyed 25,100 men of Benjamin that day, all who draw the sword. If murder is objective, that means your creator is a murderer like hitler.Lordreed cc |
Christianity Etc › Re: You cannot be an atheists and have objective morality. by Maynmann: 5:28pm On Jun 11, 2023 |
Steep: Answer the question and stop beating round the bush. If you ask the children that samuel killed their father, do you think they will say that samuel murdering their father is right? Samuel is a murderer! |
Christianity Etc › Re: You cannot be an atheists and have objective morality. by Maynmann: 5:28pm On Jun 11, 2023 |
Steep: My friend that is not the issue, is murder subjective? Simple yes or no. Don’t you get it? Samuel murdered someone because he thinks he was right. The children of that king that Samuel murdered do you think they will say what Samuel did was right? What does that tell you. Do you know what subjective and objective means? |