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toba:
I was able to deduce 4 things from watching the video.
the most paramount of them is the direct quote from Cameron

'if you are going to reject God and the Bible, do it with intellectual integrity and intelligence and not based on the arguments of other atheist. This is the most important questions for atheist Where will u spend eternity if theres truly a God

If you are going to show that what ever concept of god you hold truly exist do so with intellectual integrity and intelligence and not based on myths and stories that UNKNOWN men wrote thousands of years ago. . . .The most important question for any theist that says his or he/her god exist is to point to the existence of such a god on its own and show that such god exists independent of man made stories, cultural myths, societal acceptance and traditions. . .Where will Christians spend eternity of allah happens to be the one and only true god?. . . .

I just started thinking about the ultimate boeing 747 argument. True, a whirlwind passing through a Junkyard would probably NOT assemble a 747. However, if an alien species found a 747,why would they think it the product of only 1 creator. An almost limitless number of people went in to the design, fabrication, and realization of a 747. Why should the universe (which is infinitely more complex) be any different?

If the nature of the universe somehow includes the ability for a sentient proto-being to self-generate, why just one? Theymshould be as common as hydrogen and oxygen combining into water, IMO. Either the conditions are right for lots of "gods" (whatever they might be) or right for none. So my question for my monotheistic friends on this thread is this. . .Why only one God?

Or is it because it allows for the attribute of omni-everything and justifies calling all other theists morons and lost. While using the "My god can beat up your god, because your god can't even reign in on other gods and my god is the only one anyway. . . . . . And he's the biggest and the strongest". . .Mantra all the time. . . .

frosbel:
@ mazaje1 and Mudley313

Funny how the bible prophecies about your type coming in the future to mock about the second coming of Jesus.

So the writers of the bible wrote that people will laugh at their writings and hypothesis. . .Big deal. . . . .Jesus was very clear in the bible he told his disciples that he was coming during their life time. . . .Keep on waiting. . .Earth quakes and natural disasters are part of the planet long before the passage in the book of Mathew was written. . .According to a new research reported on CNN 50% of Africans alive today believe that Jesus will return in their life time. . .I guess you are one of the bunch. . . . .

MyJoe:

Make the text pink with font size 24!

Howdy maz. But what's with mazaje1? You got banned?

Am doing good thank you. . . .I got banned for misbehaving . . . .

Deep Sight:
Ok. With the foregoing, am I free to open a thread announcing that you are not, and in fact have never been a pure athiest, and have merely been deliberately mis-understood by Noetic and his gang?

I am an atheist because I do not believe in any god because ALL the gods are man made. . . . .

End of day enthusiasts and their endless delusions. . . . . . . .Earthquakes have been a part of this planet very long before the passage in Mathew was written. . . .

Deep Sight:
^^^ If you concede this, then why all the vitriolic bashing of the theistic worldview?

What other words other than "God/ gods" can we use to decsribe a creator.

Mouse/ Mice?

I only bash man made traditions that claim monopoly to some imaginary "truth". . . .

Deep Sight:
^^^ That is neither here nor there -

Mono[/b]theism or [b]poly[/b]theism - both are oppossing worldviews to [b]a[/b]theism - which is a disbelief in the existence of God [b]or gods.

So if there is ONE creator, or many creators, is irrelevant.

I see again you have insinuated that outside mankind's perceptions and religious fantasies, there could be God or gods, yes?

God, Gods are loaded words. . . .There could be a creator or creators of the universe that I have never denied even though its only an assumption. . . .The universe may or may not be created. . . .

Africans should think of how to move forward and stop think about preserving traditional and ancient myths that have nothing to contribute to our collective growth. . . .

At least half of all Christians in sub-Saharan Africa believe Jesus will return to Earth in their lifetime -- part of a pattern that indicates the region is among the most religious places in the world, according to a huge new study.

It's not only Christians in Africa who experience their religion passionately, either. Nearly one in three Muslims in the region expect to see the re-establishment of the caliphate -- Islam's golden age -- before they die.


http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/04/15/africa.religion/index.html?hpt=Mid

And we wonder why we are the scum of the earth. . . .Other people are thinking about how to travel further into space, develop new methods and see if they can manipulate the human genome, combat global warming and other environmental hazards, Better their economy by laying foundations for economic models that will survive 50 years ahead while half of African Christians and almost half of African Muslims are busy waiting for some imported gods to come and save them from their miseries. . . .Its really pathetic. . . .


More from the studies. . . .

At least three out of 10 people across much of Africa said they have experienced divine healing, seen the devil being driven out of a person or received a direct revelation from God, according to the study by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life in Washington.

What is this . . . .Africans and their endless delusions, Africans are experiencing divine healing yet they are the ones that are dying the most from preventable diseases eh?. . . .Despite their ridiculous claims of "divine healings" Sub Saharan Africans still have the lowest life expectancy. . . .They claim they have seen the devil driven out of a person yet corruption and societal decadence(crime, civil war etc) are very high in sub Saharan Africa. . And what is it with Africans receiving direct revelations from imaginary gods? . . . .

"In many countries across the continent, roughly nine in 10 people say religion is very important in their lives," the study found.

Religion is important in their lives little wonder Africans remain the most backward societies in the world. . . . .

That puts even the least religious countries in the region ahead of the United States, which is among the most religious of advanced industrial countries, the study's authors wrote.

For example, only one in five American Christians said they expected to see Jesus return to Earth in their lifetime -- far lower than the African result of more than half -- according to a 2006 Pew survey, which asked a slightly different question.

Even the white people that brought their religions to us are now abandoning these myths in large numbers and embracing other things that will help them and move their societies forward while we are left clutching unto one mythical story or the other. . . .Pathetic. . . .

Muslims have a significantly more positive view of Christians than Christians do of Muslims, the survey suggested.

Some 43 percent of Christians across the region see Muslims as violent, while 20 percent of Muslims see Christians as violent, the study found.

The slaves of allah and their endless violence. . . . . . .

Deep Sight:
@ Mazaje -
Just tell me if you think that outside mankind's perceptions and religious fantasies, could there be, or is there likely to be an unknown supreme creator?"

Thanks.

Its possible, but why narrow what you don't even know to one supreme creator? why not so many supreme creators?. . . .

noetic16:
1. The sun could not have come into existence by accident

Your evidence to show that the sun could not have come into existence by accident is WHAT?. . . .

. . . .its quite obvious. The major fact that the sun is the principal element of the solar system and also considering its very unique attributes in relation to all other components of the universe makes IMO the case of a specialist, strategically[b] putting the sun in its position to ensure a balanced universe[/b].

. . .My friend what is this? What has our sun got to do with the balance of the universe? I just hope I will not be the one to remind you that all the gazillions of stars you see out there are suns(trillions of them with planets revolving around them just like our own sun). . . .Take our sun away and our milky way galaxy with its hundred of billions of stars will not even notice that something has been taken out of it. . .The milky way galaxy will continue to exist without our sun and our sun is not there to ensure any balance at all. . . .Study astronomy and you will realize that so many other suns come into existence, live for billions of years explode and die away. . . .Other new suns come about from the explosions of older suns and the circle just keeps going on. . . .

I just cannot imagine the sun originating out of nothing. ,  oh please tell me, did the sun come out of nothing of from dead organic materials? 

Who said that the sun originated out of nothing?. . . .Read about solar formation and educate yourself a little. . .By the way how did Yahweh create the sun? What materials did he use?

2.FYI the bible was not written to serve as a scientific blue-print for your dogmatic hypothesis, theories, criticism and disbelieve. neither was it written for historical purposes . ,   , but was written to the saints to strengthen the saints in faith. In lieu of this I propose that we subsequently leave the bible out of this debate.

The many many lies you keep telling yourself, This is your OWN personal opionion. . .Why then do christians keep saying that the bible was written to serve as a history book of how man was created, how the earth was destroyed in a global flood, the origin of the rainbow, and other stuffs which they claims is to serve as a history of other christian claims and assertions? . . . .A lot of christians believe that the bible was written as a history book to let them know of things that happened in the past, but the only problem is that some of its historical narratives have been shown to be false. . . .Example the exodus. . . 

3.  I have no video showing God creating life. but this fact is IMO very very obvious . . . .if u could offer honest answers to my posers, perhaps u might objectively see reason like Anthony did.

The moon is evidence for the moon, What i see around are evidence for the environment. . .Will you point to the existence of your god on its own independent of the existence of other things?. . .Does your god exists? Point to it and stop pointing to other things that we know exists. . . .

Perhaps the day u can provide scientifically plausible answers to fill the gap. . . . .our argument would be invalidated.

And how valid are your porous arguments?. . . . .

Lets be objective here . . . that u dont believe the creation accounts does NOT discredit it or make it a false case.
what is your plausible explanation to the origin of life and the origin of this universe?

It is a false case. . . .According to you creation myth the earth was in existence before the sun. . . .Little wonder why your fellow christians keep saying that the mythical creation account is an allegory. . . .I will prefer to say that I don't know than to keep beating the myths written down by ancient people who did not even know that the stars they thought were tiny bulbs shining in the sky are nothing but distant suns some with planets revolving around them just like our sun. . . . .Modern day astronomy shows that the genesis account were written by people that knew very very little about themselves talk less about the origin of the universe. . . .

unfortunately, atheists have no proof for the ignorantly proclaimed non-existence of God . . .except for bible-bashing heroics.

If you point to the existence of any god on it own that is independent of man made stories, mythical narratives, societal and cultural acceptance,Only then will I assume that you have an idea of what you are talking about. . .

noetic16:
blah blah blah and the tale continues.

Your usual tales I guess. . . . .

1. the issue of my God is not a case of fear but a case of justice. should God allow the wicked to have peace?

Since when does unbelief in man made stories and other man made religious construct equates to wickedness?. . .All religions including yours are nothing but a cultural way of living that men invented. . . .Men created all god/religions and the proceeds of all the religion. . . .

should God give a blissful eternity to the unrepentant? You would castigate a high court judge who refuses to establish justice to the criminal behind a brutal murder, in the face of overwhelming evidence. You would call for his head and call him all sorts of names. . . , but why is it difficult to place God's purpose of hell in the same context.
Your claims about God/xtians using fear as a factor is both LAME and ridiculous.

See those that created your religion had to use something to make sure that people will believe them, They know very well that their stories and hypothesis are NOT self evident so they came up[ with the hell and heaven hypothesis, telling those of you that chose to accept their mythical stories and way of life that you will spend the rest of your life after you have died in some place that is extremely good and a place that is very very bad for those that do not accept their mythical stories for what they are. . . .Its all a mind game. . . .Control is the name of the game. . .Belief in the stories I tell you and accept my system of living or suffer when you die. . . How long will you keep deluding yourselves with this childish thinking?. . . .

2. We have debated this issue a billion times now. The God-experience CANNOT be described as imaginations and wishful thinking. This is because you cannot on any grounds deny the billions of miracles experienced by billions of xtians all over the world from a loving God. you cannot deny or impugn my God-experience.

Ok. . .I have gone pass the usual endless arguments. . .I am all for evidence. . .If the christian god exists as christians love to claim their claims will be self evident. . . You claim that there is a loving god that performs miracles in the lives of christians right? Your evidence to show that there is a loving god that protects christians from harm and misfortune better than non christians is WHAT?. . . . .And as for miracles I have just one question to ask you. . .Why does your god not heal amputees and restore their amputated limbs?

3. what are the lies and myths? did noah's flood not happen? what explanation do u have for the rootless polystrate fossils?
what is your plausible theory that explains the origin of life?. . . . or the origin of the universe?

Of course Noah flood happened but it only happened in the pages of the bible and in the imaginations of those that accept the mythical narrative. . . .I will begin to accept that you know what you are talking about with regards to "polystrate fossils" when you present a scientific peer reviewed paper that says that all upright fossils, trunks, or trees were created by the mythical Noah's flood that happened only in your imaginations. . .Can't you see that even christians here on nairaland like vairo are saying that the Noah' flood was a local flood not a global flood because of the absence of any evidence to substantiate the biblical story?. . .I do not know the theory that explains the origin of life but that does not mean that I should accept clearly written myths of people who thought that the sun moves round the earth. . .

are u also attempting to DUMP your ignorance? 

I am not closed minded to assume that there might not be some external cause/causes to the existence of the universe. . . .You claim that your god created the universe and all I am asking you is to show me the evidence that your god created all the 12 moons on jupiter? How did your god create all the billions of galaxies?. . . .

The evidence is overwhelming . .  , if u objectively analyse the evidences, u would realise that my great-great-great-great-greater-grand-mother was right that THERE IS A CREATOR . . . , His name is JESUS.

And when did Jesus appear to you and tell you that he created the universe?. . .Its funny that it is the god of the colonial masters that created the universe not the gods of your great-great-great-great-greater-grand-mother . . .

Mazaje there are a billion idols out there worshipped as gods. . . .should that not tell u that there is an original somewhere there?

Aren't you begging the question here?. . All it says is that human beings are very very creative and imaginative and can turn their imaginations into pseudo reality. . . .

I have no idea where u got your crazy theory from. What I do know is that the very complex nature of our universe establishes the case of a super-intelligent creator.

Why must it be one creator why not 10? If you believe that your super intelligent creator is not created then why should the universe need a creator?. . . .

You are the one with a closed mind here . . , mazaje give me 5 intellectually powered reasons why God does not exist?

If you show me a god that exists on its own independent man made stories, myths, ideas, societal influence and cultural acceptance I will then begin to assume that you have an idea of what you are talking about. . . .