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 Christianity Etc › Re: An Honest Question For All Atheists ! by mazaje1: 2:06pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
frosbel:I don't know how man came to be . . . . .I also accept some certain aspects of the evolutionary theory. Evolution does NOT say that man evolved from apes, Study the theory on your own and stop listening to creationist lies about the theory. . .I repeat it does NOT say that human beings evolved from apes at all, all it says is that human beings and apes share a common ancestor. . .The theory is about the biological progression of living things over time due to environmental factors. The same way human beings breed cattle, dogs or goats except that according to the theory it is nature that does the selection instead of man. . . . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Yahweh And His Lying Angels. by mazaje1(op): 1:55pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
uchdazzle:What the heck is blasphemy? Blasphemy was invented to scare people away from questioning teachings or doctrines that can not stand on their own. . . . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Yahweh And His Lying Angels. by mazaje1(op): 1:30pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
AYODEJI4LOVE:Whose exactly is this dolt  . . .Shut up!!! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Yahweh And His Lying Angels. by mazaje1(op): 1:24pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
Deep Sight:Forget Noetic and his weird mental somersault and gymnastics. . . .Noetic will say things that the bible never says just to explain absurdity away. . . There was a time we had an argument about Jephthah and his daughter whom the bible says he sacrificed as a burnt offering unto yahweh, Do you know that noetic denied what was written in the bible, He said the girl was not offered unto yahweh as a burnt offering even when the bible VERY CLEARLY says that she was offered as a burnt offering unto yahweh. . .He quickly alluded to some obscure verses in the book of samuel and equated her sacrifice to that of samuel  . . . .When I showed him what the bible actually said he came up with another excuse that yahweh did not request for her to be sacrificed and that the sacrifice was out of Jephthah's free will even when his initial argument was that she was not sacrificed as a burnt offering unto yahweh. . . .There is no need beating and defending ancient myths that were written by different people of an advancing culture who all had different idea's or notion of who their god is supposed to be. . . .Even the bible does NOT projects a coherent version of who the god it is talking about. . . .To some of the writers yahweh is a blood thirsty dictator, to others he is a loving father that knows no evil, so some he is just like them, he sometimes does evil and apologizes for the evil he did. . . .To some of them he is all powerful and can do all things, to others he is limited in his power, These different notion of the writers of the bible is why there are countless contradictions in the nature and personality of Yahweh. . . .People do not care at all because just like the bible writers they just pick and choose which attributes of yahweh best fits into the version of god they have been made to believe or that which matches with their experiences. . .Those that subscribe to the WOF version see yahweh as this all loving, all protecting, all good, all providing god that will always provide and protect them. . .To them they are yahweh' loving pets and yahweh is a loving god that can not hurt a fly. . . To those of them that believe in fire and brimstone version of christianity, Yahweh is vile, spiteful, malevolent who will kill all the unbelievers and they tag this attribute they assing to yahweh as Justice . . . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Yahweh And His Lying Angels. by mazaje1(op): 12:52pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
InesQor:Isn't this an oxymoron? Lying spirit bringing about truth?. . . .Once it is convenient for yahweh to lie he connives with demons from hell to lie to people and murder them eh? . . . .Like everything in Christianity there is always a clause for explaining absurdities. . . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Yahweh And His Lying Angels. by mazaje1(op): 12:44pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
noetic16:So yahweh lives and meets with angels and host from hell and sends the host from hell to carry out his dirty works for him eh?. . .Interesting. . .I thought the bible says that light(Yahweh and his angles) and darkness(Satan and his own angles) can not live together because there is nothing that joins light with darkness or is this one of the many contradictions that abound in the bible?. . . . 2. When God convened the meeting as showcased in the OP, the attendees included the hosts of hell. This I know because the book of jobs also records satan attending a gathering of the sons of God. So in asking for the deception of king Ahab, God was also convening with spirits who by their very nature are also lying spirits.Where in the story did it say that the attendees included host from hell?. . .The story makes no mention of host from hell or earth and so it remains(your mental gymnastics will not help you here). . . .Unless if you are trying to say that you are privy to information the author of the story isn't. . .The story in Job was very clear who the members in attendance were. . .Yahweh apparently had a penchant for putting lying spirits into people, because a less detailed, but similar incident is related in Isaiah 37:7 and 2 Kings 19:7. . . . .the pitting of scripture against scripture is a logically unsound way to protect the inerrancy doctrine as you are trying to do here, because it is a tactic that seeks to prove inerrancy by assuming inerrancy. "Your passage can't mean what you are saying it means," is what your argument implies, "because a passage over here very clearly teaches thus-and-so." What you are saying in essence is that if your passage means what you claim it means and if mine means what I claim it means, then there is a contradiction in the bible, and that can't be because to you and the beliefs you hold the bible does not contradict itself. . . . .That's what biblical inerranist like you claim all the time. . .You make things up and say things the bible does not even say to explain absurdity away. . . . 3. why would God ask that king Ahab be lied to? what was God's intention/will?Yahweh does not want his "chosen men" to go to war and the best he can do is consult lying spirits and encourage them to go lie to the king eh?. . .Interesting. . . .How then do you reconcile this event with the kings free will? or did free will not exist at that time . . . .The mental gymnastic you guys use to explain absurdity away is pathetic. . .This is what the passage says in case you forgot. . . "And Yahweh said, Who shall entice Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?" 4. to further understand the intention of God . . . . u could go back to God's law to moses where God clearly stated that whosoever makes a FALSE prophecy should be killed. God intended to separate the false from the true prophets. And to further understand how far Ahab was from the will of God, ahab never even knew of God's lawful command.Did you not read where it says" Yahweh put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets"?. . .It did not say that they lied or made a false prophecy on their own free will but the passage says that it was yahweh that put the lying spirit in their mouths meaning they had no control of the lies and were just lying because yahweh wanted them to tell lies. . . .So yahweh sends lying spirits into people and makes them to tell lies once they lie he commands that they be killed eh?. . .Interesting how this yahweh character is I must say. . . .Yahweh intends to separate the false from the true prophets and the best he can do is send lying spirits into the mouths of the prophets and make them tell lies eh?. . .interesting |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Yahweh And His Lying Angels. by mazaje1(op): 12:17pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
uchdazzle:Fear, fear, fear. . .Aren't you guys tired of all the meaningless and ridiculous fear card already?. . . . .What the heck is blasphemy? Blasphemy was invented to scare people away from teachings or doctrines that can not stand on their own. . . . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Yahweh And His Lying Angels. by mazaje1(op): 12:15pm On Apr 22, 2010 |
AYODEJI4LOVE: . . . .SHUT UP!!!. . . , |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Yahweh And His Lying Angels. by mazaje1(op): 11:40am On Apr 22, 2010 |
Zodiac61:I can not believe the mental gymnastic involved here to explain this absurdity away. . .Make shit up and pretend that others are getting it wrongly is the name of the game. . . . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: An Atheist Dumps His Ignorance by mazaje1: 11:38am On Apr 22, 2010 |
noetic16:You made a FALSE assertion and all I asked you to do was to prove that your assertion isn't false. . . But as usual you evade the question. . . . What are writings and superstitions? The words that have been real for a whole lot of people CANNOT be regarded as superstition? how do u explain the miracles billions of people experience all over the world? on what authority and in what capacity do u deny these experiences?The bible is a book of superstition and myths. . .WHAT miracles are you talking about? Where is the evidence for these miracles? I have said it over and over again if things like prayer works we will NOT be hre having this conversation because the evidence will be self evident. . .Ok now christians claim miracles from prayers all the time, Christians pray to their god for protection and claim that they are experiencing some form of miracle from it. . .Your evidence to show that christians are better protected from harm and misfortune than non christians is WHAT? Over a billion muslims and about a billion hindus all claim to experience miracles from the words of their own religious text too. . . .So there is nothing there all we have are claim but ZERO evidence to show for it. . . . Mazaje, pls cut the crap.Science has NO gods. . . .It is based on observation and experiments and from there informed conclusions can be made. . .You on the other hand just keep beating the mythical thoughts of anceint people that thought the sun revolves around the earth. . . .Have you read the scientific explanations to planetary and galaxy formation? What illetracy is involved in scientific assumptions Noetic? . . . .What is this satan myth again? what has the satan myth got to do with anything . . .Aren't you guys tried of throwing one myth or the other as explanation to your religious absurdities?. . . .2. your science buffons have ignorantly asserted that u evolved from a dead organic substance . . .pls ask them on my behalf, that when EXACTLY did this organism live? was its live recorded? by whom?My brother you can not fight science because it has done for humanity what no god or religion can ever do for humanity. . . .Scientist have proposed their own hypothesis or theories, If you have a better and demonstrable evidence pls provide it and shut them up for ever. . . .The scientific postulations that humans evolved is ignorant and dumb but you belief that some imaginary deity created living things from dirt or using voice is intelligent eh?. . .The fact that the irony escapes you is really ridiculous. . . . 3. Science has always been wrong. remember when your scientific idols claimed that the world is flat? what happened to all your scientific claims on Noah's flood the moment rootless polystrate fossils were found?I can't believe I am reading this. . .The extent you throw away reality in defending ancient myths is pathetic. . .Which scientific Idol claim that the earth is flat?. . .Does you bible not claim that the sun revolves around the earth?. . .Does the bible not say that evil spirits are what cause diseases?. . .Do you know what "polystrate fossils" are?. . . .The moment you provide a peer reviewed scientific paper that says that "polystrate fossils" were formed by the mythical Noah' flood i will begin to assume that you know what you are talking about. . . .The last time I checked it's even christian scientist that are now claiming that the Noah's flood was a local flood due to the complete LACK of evidence to support the mythical narrative written in the bible. . . . . 4. why are your scientific idols unable to list the pioneer chemical elements that kick-started life.Scientist have provided very explanations for their theories and hypothesis. . .Their hypothesis sound more plausible even to your fellow christians who are now claiming that the creation myth is nothing but an allegory. . . . where is your evidence that my God was created by men?Your god is man MADE and as such he can not be shown to exist on his own independent of man made stories, mythology, man made or human societal acceptance and cultural influence. . .Your god whom you claim to exist on his own and has the ability to talk can not talk except through humans, human fight wars for him, kill others on his behalf, build temples for him, spread his word, offer money and other valuables to him, etc. . . .The day you or any body points to the existence of your god that is independent from man made stories, mythologies, cultural and societal acceptance and history then I will begin to assume you have an idea of what you are yapping about. . . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Africans Among World's Most Religious People Study Finds. by mazaje1(op): 10:54am On Apr 22, 2010 |
noetic16:There is a synergy between belief in myths(Religion) which has a very strong control on the mindset of people and quality of life they posses. . . . did religion stop obasanjo from fixing the power sector? or was it religion that stopped yaradua from resigning honourably? why did religion not stop black south africans from fighting apartheid? is the same religion stopping millions of africans in Zimbabwe, Nigeria, Sudan, Congo e.t.c from fighting their individually corrupt, greedy and self serving governments.All our societal decadence has DIRECT connections to our overzealous religious practice and beliefs. . . .Our siddon look mentality to our political process is as a result of our religious beliefs. . . .How do you expect Nigerians to aspire for anything good in this life when over 50% of Nigerians believe that Jesus or Mohamed will come and save them from their miseries during their life time?. . .Why fight corrupt authorities when you believe that the world will come to an end during your life time as shown from the research?. . . .By the way the bible and the koran TEACHES people NOT to fight the authorities because according to both books the leaders are giving their power from god and the are to be respected at all times. . . . Mazaje, the least u can do is to be objective. The whites u worship are simply progressing because they have ulterior motives of neo-colonialism. If and when African patriots and intellectuals come to power. . . . .the tide will turn and Africa will rise again.I am not worshiping any white man. . .The person that is worshiping a white man and his mythical ideas is YOU. . .Who were those that brought Christianity to you?. . . Whose religion is Christianity?. . .If the white man had not come to Africa I doubt if you will be here defending his ancient myths, As a matter of FACT you are still worshiping the white man's ideas, wishes, fantasies and mythology. . . .The white man is constantly progressing because he has dropped the mythical approach to things and has decided to solve his problems instead of depending on imaginary gods to come to his aid he has decided to use his senses to solve his problem and better his life. . . . And guess what . . . .IT is the will of God that Africa rises in this generation to become a super-power.I will LOVE to see Africa become a super power some day but with this mindset of ours it is IMPOSSIBLE. . .You can keep chanting the will of all year long but that it self is another myth. . . . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Africans Among World's Most Religious People Study Finds. by mazaje1(op): 4:17pm On Apr 21, 2010 |
bawomolo:Me sef don drive out enough demons lol. . . |
| Christianity Etc › Yahweh And His Lying Angels. by mazaje1(op): 2:04pm On Apr 21, 2010 |
2Ch And Micai'ah said, "Therefore hear the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left; 2Ch 18:19 and the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab the king of Israel, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?' And one said one thing, and another said another. 2Ch 18:20 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, saying, 'I will entice him.' And the LORD said to him, 'By what means?' 2Ch 18:21 And he said, 'I will go forth, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And he said, 'You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go forth and do so.' 2Ch 18:22 Now therefore behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets; the LORD has spoken evil concerning you." What's up with yahweh and his angels?. . . .Why are they lying and deceiving people? Or is this part of the lying justice of yahweh. . . . . . . . . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Just One God? by mazaje1(op): 1:55pm On Apr 21, 2010 |
davidylan:Here is the coherence. . . .Theist based their belief of the universe requiring a creator based on the fact that most of the complex things we use like cars, computers, airplane etc were created so for that the complex universe must have had a creator. . . . .I am just using the same logic here to say that since most of these complex things the creationist and theist cite as examples or basis for the universe requiring a creator were not a product of one persons why do they still insist that the universe was created by only one creator? Why not many creators since they base their justification on the creation of complex things by men?. . . . As for knowing about the power and intelligence of gods I know that Yahweh and Allah are not more intelligent than the people they allegedly created. . . .A simple reading of their books(bible and koran) says so. . . . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: An Atheist Dumps His Ignorance by mazaje1: 1:35pm On Apr 21, 2010 |
davidylan:Aren't you tired on this lie you keep telling yourselves already?. . . .Do you know what relationship is? Relationship is a two way thing no?. . . .There is nothing like a genuine relationship with any Jesus since the nature of Jesus or god has not yet been fully defined and accepted by christians. . . .According to the 30, 000 different sects that is christianity any body that is outside a particular sect does not have an intimate or genuine relationship with Jesus. . . . When atheists claim they "became uncomfortable" with christian doctrines what exactly do they mean? That they are no longer comfortable with a lifestyle that demands holiness?No atheist are uncomfortable with hate and bigotry that mask themselves as "holy doctrines". . . Atheist are uncomfortable with "holy doctrines" that tells them to put all their trust and hope in some imaginary deity is nothing but the creation of ancient men that do not even know their right from their left. . Atheist are not comfortable with "holy doctrines" that tell them to turn the other cheek when attacked or to be pacifist in front of danger, they are not comfortable with "holy doctrines" that encourage slavery, the subjugation of women(women are not supposed to talk in public according to your bible), the ill treatment of gays, hoping on some imaginary deity to protect them or heal them when they are sick, hate of people that do not accept the christian culture etc. . . . . Most importantly atheist are not comfortable with ridiculous lies and myths that have no basis in any reality what so ever. . . . . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: An Atheist Dumps His Ignorance by mazaje1: 1:19pm On Apr 21, 2010 |
noetic16:Please SHOW me anybody here that has said that the universe came out of nothing?. . . .What makes my belly ache more is that in the 21st century there are still dudes who still believe in the already discredited writings and superstitions of unknown men ancient men that did NOT even know what the stars are. . . . . Thanks to modern science we know what the stars we see are, we know the age of our planet and that of the universe, we have an idea about planetary formation, galaxy formation, we know about the formation of asteroids, comets and we also know our position in the universe and in our solar system etc. . . . . Even if the universe had a creator its up to you to show or provide objective or empirical evidence to show that the creator is male, is all loving, all powerful, knows all things, likes the small of burnt animals, dislikes women talking in public, likes pacifism, is 3 personalities in one etc. . . . . . The complexity of the universe has nothing to do with your god which is the creation of men. . . . . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: An Atheist Dumps His Ignorance by mazaje1: 1:07pm On Apr 21, 2010 |
davidylan:This deluded goon is at it again. . . .The problem is that you just deep your head deep in the sands of denial and claim that the atheist or some body else that disagrees with your personal interpretation of the bible is getting it wrongly. The REALITY is that you are the person FAILS to get it or is getting it wrongly. . . .Every body is interpreting the bible wrongly according to another christian which is why there are over 30,000 sect of christianity each accusing the other of ignorance or wrong interpretation and comprehension. . .What is the bible beside a book that people use to create an image of what ever concept of god they imagine based on their experiences, what they have been thought and made to believe, and what they wish for themselves and for others based on the collective writings of ancient people that had different ideas of the god they were writing about. . . . Read the bible and you will see that the authors had VERY VERY different concept or notion of the god they were writing about. . .To some of the writers their god is just like a super version of themselves hating their enemies and disliking all what they disliked. . .to others god is just like a father figure who is all powerful, all knowing and will always protect them, to others god is just like them, very violent, monovalent spiteful and aggressive he tells lies, does evil and apologies for it, forgets things, is limited in his power, kills people and goes around boasting and shouting that he did it alone, he stains his shirt with people's blood just to induce fear into the people etc. . . . Even you do NOT understand the bible because you just pick and chose the teachings that agree with your personal notions about what you will like god to be. . .Your very toxic nature makes you to fall in love with the god of the OT, you consider and tag very the spiteful actions of yahweh as justice. . . .but goes around stupidly haranguing allah a god that is the same with the yahweh you so love. . . .You completely disregard the teachings of Jesus(Jesus was a pacifist according to the bible) like turning the other cheek, giving your coat when some one takes your shirt a loving your enemies and praying for them. . .you just pick and choose and create some imaginary god out of your wishes and desires and present it as if that is what the ultimate teaching of bible. . . . . There is nothing like understanding the bible, the bible is there for anybody that wants to create what ever concept of god her/she wants to use in creating that concept based on the writings of some ancient people who also had various ideas and concept of who the god they wrote about was. . . . .That is why there are over 30,000 sects of christianity each claiming that they alone understand the true teaching of the bible while every body that interprets the bible differently from them is ignorant or wrong in his/her interpretation. . . . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: An Atheist Dumps His Ignorance by mazaje1: 6:34pm On Apr 20, 2010 |
davidylan:I and many atheist have read and understood the bible. . . . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Just One God? by mazaje1(op): 5:53pm On Apr 20, 2010 |
Duroe:What is this? . . . .The christian god is not alone. He has an army of angels, not to mention jesus and the holy spirit. So this whole "mono-theism" is not really a mono-theism when you think about it. . . . . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: An Honest Question For All Atheists ! by mazaje1: 5:43pm On Apr 20, 2010 |
Go educate yourself about evolution and stop asking dumb questions. . .Atheism has nothing to do with evolution because there are so many christians that accept the theory. . . . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Africans Among World's Most Religious People Study Finds. by mazaje1(op): 5:41pm On Apr 20, 2010 |
^^ Half of African Christians and Muslims are waiting for imaginary gods to come save them from their miseries. . . Even the white people that brought those religions to us have almost abandon that thought process. . . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: An Atheist Dumps His Ignorance by mazaje1: 10:29am On Apr 20, 2010 |
toba:https://www.atheist-community.org/images/cartoon/R24Z11TQ23zc816151815M.jpg |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Just One God? by mazaje1(op): 9:16am On Apr 20, 2010 |
karo93:Your evidence for this assertion is WHAT? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: In The Beginning God Created The Heaven And The Earth. by mazaje1: 9:14am On Apr 20, 2010 |
@e36991 I simply asked you to tell me what the firmament is, instead you went on a long explanation of nothing eh? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Their Endless Persecution Complex by mazaje1(op): 9:12am On Apr 20, 2010 |
^^ They all love to feel they are being persecuted for their delusions. . . . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: An Atheist Dumps His Ignorance by mazaje1: 9:09am On Apr 20, 2010 |
noetic16:https://www.atheist-community.org/images/cartoon/IEUR221926XJAN1923174.jpg |
| Christianity Etc › Re: An Atheist Dumps His Ignorance by mazaje1: 9:08am On Apr 20, 2010 |
noetic16:I have never said that the universe could not have come about from an external body or bodies. . . . .We do not know but all I KNOW is that NON of the man made gods created the universe. . .Yahweh WAS CREATED BY MEN so was allah, vishnu and all the other gods that men worship. . . .Saying that the universe was created is just an assumption. . .You have no evidence to show that it isn't eternal. . . .As for intelligent design what intellegence is there in colliding asteriods and commets? Black holes and other colliding bodies in space?. . . . https://www.atheist-community.org/images/cartoon/rB2511912UJ411116421.jpg |
| Christianity Etc › Re: An Atheist Dumps His Ignorance by mazaje1: 6:44pm On Apr 19, 2010 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Stop The Persecution Of The Pope! by mazaje1: 6:41pm On Apr 19, 2010 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Nigerian Pastors To Come Together by mazaje1: 6:38pm On Apr 19, 2010 |
Nigerian pastors to come together for what when each of them have completely different beliefs? https://www.atheist-community.org/images/cartoon/SZY1519PCW4153J11624.jpg |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Just One God? by mazaje1(op): 6:15pm On Apr 19, 2010 |
