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Emusan: Yea, they do incredible works over the years which we can see but no assumption of laws.

The method introduce (radiometric dating) to calculate the age of stars, earth, fossilise materials e.t.c is full of assumption which it has been refuted by "RATE group". (Radioisotopes and the Age of The Earth). The team of scientists included:
*. Larry Vardiman , PhD Atmospheric Science
*. Russell Humphreys, PhD Physics
*. Eugene Chaffin , PhD Physics
*. John Baumgardner , PhD Geophysics
*. Donald DeYoung , PhD Physics
*. Steven Austin , PhD Geology
*. Andrew Snelling , PhD Geology
*. Steven Boyd, PhD Hebraic and Cognate Studies.

I won't give you any link but do the reseach yourself about-RATE group and radiometric.

Because some fringe group of scientist disagree with the dating methods means what?. . .They should show how wrong it is and win a nonle peace price, what are they waiting for?. . .The age of the earth has been accurately measured to be about 4 billion years. . .Do you have any scientific method of dating that shows the earth to be 6000 years old?. . .Hope you know that ancient egypt was robust and existing about 6000 years ago?. . .

Emusan: You can't see it because it will be very difficult for you to put "christians spiritual glass" on, if you can take your pen and begin to add from Christ - Noah - Adam then you can see where I got my age.

You're saying scientific evidence! Do scientist have any evidence in calculating earth age or universe, rather than assumption?

They dated it with assumption of speed of light and rigidity of time which are all flaws.

Yes the do, its the same assumption they used to send men to space, send space observatories, send men to the moon and do many incredible things. . .The age of the earth has different methods of calculating it. . .And all produce about the same result. . .It is light from distant stars that is used to calculate the age of stars. . .

Mr anony: I can see you blissfully failing to notice that thehomer is yet to define what he means by objective good.

I think he has, he said "That which is generally beneficial to the well-being of conscious creatures".

Sure, as long as it's in a controlled environment with specific conditions. . . .

Toluwarni: There was no record of Egypt whatsoever before the Tower of Babel incident.. Do some research..BTW, If i show you live Miracles, JUJU e.t.c happen in your presence, you promise to become a Christian?? you want evidence, and evidence will i show

The pyramids alone are more than 5000 years old, longer than the tower of babel. . .Sure, if you can show me any supernatural occurance i will believe. . .

Toluwarni: I understand where you are coming from, Yes Pidgin evolved from English, no doubt.. but can you tell me how over 500 languages evolved?? How did the first language evolve?? To me, since it can't be explained... I'LL GO WITH MY TOWER OF BABEL STORY...
Mazaje, I like you #NoHomo, but i actually see you becoming a Christian in the nearest future

I think it has been explained, humans formed and developed languages, just as the formed and develop writing and numbers. . .There are many things wrong with the tower of babel story because some languages already existed during the said period of the bable story, example is the ancient egyptian language. . .If i see evidence to suppoport the christian god i will be come one, after all i was once a christian but later changed my mind, now i can do the same as well if i see evidence. . .

Emusan: Thread closed because I said Earth is about 6000years old, yes I can defend it anywhere. Though some pastors, bishops e.t.c go with billion years but mine is God created this universe about 6000years ago.

Where in the bible was it written that the earth was created 6000 years ago, and where is the scientific evidence or method of dating that shows the earth is 6000 years old?

Emusan: Firstly, the year you wrote is more than Earth age itself because God created this Earth about 6000years ago.

Lastly, go and read more about language and see how people choose a particular language.

Where and when did any god tell you he created the earth 6000 years ago?. . .This claim of your is a scientific claim, if it is true then we will be able to measure it, do you have any scientific evidence or system of dating that shows that the earth is 6000 years old?. . .

Toluwarni: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_language Y'all should do some reading
Nnnofaith, i know you don't have credit to check the link, lemme post if here so you can see
The origin of language in the human species has been the topic of scholarly discussions for several centuries. In spite of this, there is no consensus on its ultimate origin or age. One problem that makes the topic difficult to study is the lack of direct evidence. Consequently, scholars wishing to study the origins of language must draw inferences from other kinds of evidence such as the fossil record or from archaeological evidence, from contemporary language diversity, from studies of language acquisition, and from comparisons between human language and systems of communication existing among other animals, particularly other primates. It is generally agreed that the origins of language are closely tied to the origins of modern human behavior, but there is little agreement about the implications and directionality of this connection.
This shortage of empirical evidence has led many scholars to regard the entire topic as unsuitable for serious study. In 1866, the Linguistic Society of Paris went so far as to ban debates on the subject, a prohibition which remained influential across much of the western world until late in the twentieth century.[1] Today, there are numerous hypotheses about how, why, when, and where language might first have emerged.[2] It might seem that there is hardly more agreement today than there was a hundred years ago, when Charles Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection provoked a rash of armchair speculations on the topic.[3] Since the early 1990s, however, a growing number of professional linguists, archaeologists, psychologists, anthropologists, and others have attempted to address with new methods what they are beginning to consider "the hardest problem in science"

This still does not negate the fact that languages evolved. . .The origin of human language is a huge problem but evolution of languages is something we witness even now, the pigin english my man plaetton alluded to evolved from the english language, same with the jamaican patua and creayol. . .Languages were formed by humans and not by any god or not during any tower of bable mythical story. . .

Emusan: State the year(s) they have been speaking the language and what asertain your claims. Don't quote me without support.

The ancient egyptian and sumerian laguages were spoken over years 7000 years ago . Here is a link that gives a little history of human languages. . .The ancient eygptian language predates the hebrew language of the bible. . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_language

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1377150/Every-language-evolved-single-prehistoric-mother-tongue-spoken-Africa.html

I can see thehomer answering questions thrown at him and anony dancing around his tail as usual. . .

Emusan: @ Toluwarni-Please don't ever lose your faith our God is real.

@Op- Your question may be summarise this way: What did the tower look like? Are there any records of Noah’s descendants found throughout the world after they left Babel? What about different languages?

Renowned chronologist Archbishop James Ussher; placed the time of Babel at (2242 BC)106 years after the Flood, when Peleg was born. To Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan ( Genesis 10:25 ).
Although this may not be the exact date, it is in range because Peleg was in the fourth generation after the Flood.

The Tower of Babel has traditionally been depicted as a type of ziggurat, although the Bible doesn’t give specific dimensions. The Hebrew word for tower used in Genesis 11 , referring to the Tower of Babel, is migdal: a tower; by analogy, a rostrum; figuratively, a (pyramidal) bed of flowers.
Interestingly, this word means tower but figuratively reflects a flowerbed that yields a pyramidal shape. This gives a little support to the idea that the Tower of Babel may have been pyramidal or ziggurat shaped.
(emphasis added Is not a skyscraper building)

When people were scattered from the Tower of Babel in the time of Peleg, they likely took this building concept with them to places all over the world. It makes sense that many of the families that were scattered from Babel took varying ideas of the tower to their new lands and began building projects of their own.
Ziggurats, pyramids, mounds, and the like have been found in many parts of the world—from Mesopotamia to Egypt to South America. The ancient Chinese built pyramids and the Mississippian culture built mounds. Pyramids are classed slightly differently from ziggurats, as are mounds, but the similarities are striking.

Though is not yet know to some scientists why these people decided to camp themselves in one place.

Why did the people at Shinar build a tower? Some suspect that they were afraid of another flood, similar to the one that Noah and his sons had informed them about. However, Dr. John Gill casts doubt on this idea.

So try to find out some hebrew words that were used in the Bible before you conclude.
Thanks

People from other cultures have been speaking their languages long before 2242bc. Even the Egyptian pyramids are older than 2242bc. Chinese civilization is much older than 2242bc. Get your facts right. So many languages were already in existence before 2242bc.

Toluwarni: See you... Even scientists have not been able to answer that question, Languages don't evolve.. A scientist proposed this same theory, but the dismissed it.. So you're not convincing enough.

And which scientist says languages do not evolve? So far anthropologist and historians all agree than languages evolve. There are currently two theories as to how languages evolved amongst humans. To claim that scientist dismissed the theory is to not know what you are talking about. I gave you example of the English language and how it evolved from the Anglo Saxon language. All languages evolved. There was a time in human history that languages were absent.

Toluwarni: OK...The thing is even If God comes down today and reveals himself to you.. You won't believe.. Ok I just have one question, If you can answer me I'll become an atheist for LIFE... How else did Language(s) come about Or did they evolve with us to LMFAO..

Languages evolve. . .Hope you know that the english language we are speaking today did not exist about 5000 years ago?. . .The english language we are using to communicate today evolved from the anglo saxon language which has now died away. . .languages evolve, some live and others die out. . .The language spoken by the ancient egyptians that built the pyramids about 5000 years ago is dead. . .5000 years ago nobody spoke english because the language had not been developed yet. . .Languages like very other thing is a human invention, humans invented languages, writing and numbers, everything, even languages are still under going development as new words are formed all the time. . .Non of it has to do with any god. . .

Only silly people believe that prayers ever solve anything. . .Any thing that humans need to do must be done by humans themselves. . . .No god/gods has every helped anybody any where, and no god/gods will ever help any body any where. . Humans are the ones that will keep helping each other or harming each other. . .

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Chibuebem: dont worry. I'll wait for you to answer my question. The evil one has tried so much to attack believers, to divide them, to confuse them, to scatter them. But we speaj what we believe and know. Jesus is the saviour. For thousands of years the devil has fought against Gods church. But on the rock we will stand. And the evil one shall nt prevail. Christians, true christians have been the prey of violence and division for years. But we're still here. We still preach the gospel of love and peace.

The evil one has tried so much to attack believers, to divide them, to confuse them, to scatter them. But muslims speak what they believe and know. There is no god but allah the creator or the universe. For thousands of years the devil has fought against the muslim ummah. But on the truth of allah's word the muslims stand. And the evil one shall nt prevail against the muslims, true muslims have been the prey of violence and division for years. But they are still here. they will still preach the divine message of allah.

Chibuebem: jesus is the saviour. Jesus is life. You dodged ma question...i have jesus's life in me...i'm saved. What about you? Do you still wallow in sin and think theres no consequence? For the wages of sin is DEATH...BUT THANK GOD, THE FREE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH CHRIST JESUS. You get that? Its a way of life we have as children of God. Not just a religious belief, a life we've been born into...enticing isnt it. Accept life my guy.

It is a lie. . .Allah is life.You need to have allah's life in you...allah saves.you need him? Do you still wallow in sin and think theres no consequence from denying allah? Fordeny allah and his last messengeris a sin is and punishable by DEATH...BUT THANK ALLAH, THE FREE GIFT OF ALLAH's IS ETERNAL LIFE. You get that? Its a way of life muslims have as slaves of God. Not just a religious belief, a life they've been born into...enticing isnt it. Accept life my guy.

trolling: if you do your research you'll find out that Allah is a moon-god

Just as if you do your reseach very will you will find that yahweh is a jewish desert god. . .

Chibuebem: answer my question oga. Are you saved from sin? Sin is the problem of the world. Jesus is the answer. Hes the answer for the world today.

There is no god but allah and mohammed is his last messenger. . .Are you saved from allah's wrath that awaits you after you die?. . .Allah is the answer and way to eternal life, you have been warned, don't say i didn't tell you. . .

trolling: ok when we descend from the clouds at the 7th trump let me see how 2 million missiles from those Asians would penetrate our bodies or havent u read of people thrown in the fire and they were not burnt

Keep trolling. . .

pekelepekele: Hahahahaha chai . Na death you dey take play so oo . No say I no warn u oo . Definitely hit and fall ring that we always test on a soccer field every Saturday must be ring faltivus

Hit and fall ring?. . .Whats that?. . .Do you have any supernatural powers, I will organize the randi foundation to come to you so that you test it and win a million dollars if you succeed. . .

trolling: that aint no trick,the guy is possessed,or who do you think teleports him or havent u read about teleportation,astral projection in the bible, telepathy,telekinesis,infra-red vision,O.B.E

Haven't you watched the videos and the tricks employed?. . .The youtube videos are there for all to see. . .

Chibuebem: i speak of the one that saves from sin and death. Are you saved from sin and death? Can any other one save from sin and death. There is one God, and one mediator, Jesus christ the saviour. Accept him and be truly saved, fron sin, imperfection, death.

You are just speaking about your indoctrinated mythology that has nothing to do with reality. . .

pekelepekele: Are you guys really african guys? and you don't believe in supernatural


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdOsXuqfORE

This is called Penissss captivus, a rare occurrence in heterosexual intercourse when the muscles in the vaginaaaa clamp down on the penissssss much more firmly than usual (a form of vaginismus), making it impossible for the penisssss to withdraw from the vaginaaaaa(Wikipedia). . .Nothing supernatural there at all. . .It is a natural occurance. . .

Chibuebem: am not programmed, i think. I consider. But i experience God. Me denying jesus is me denying fact, life, i know him and talk to him everyday. I hope u come to know him too. And am not arguing.

Just like my hindu friend here knows vishnu, experiences him every day, denying vishnu is like him denying fact, life, and everything. . .My hindu friend here hope you come to know vishnu. . .

idlaw2k3: watch this video from Akwa Ibom then make your comments

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This video is obviously a fake magic. . .There is nothing supernatural in this video, James Randi, Chris Angel, David Copper Field and many other do far more magnificent and incredible feast than this mediocre magic. . .He employs cheap tricks here. . .

More from James Randi. . . .Here he investigates those that claim to have supernatural abilities and were ready to put it to test. . . .The problem with us blacks is that we are so closed minded and do not want to test what ever it is that we claim are supernatural. . .Some white people also believe in the supernatural and they agreed to have their claims or supernatural abilities tested on camera. . .Most of their claims failed when tested but at least they were open minded and accepted the invitation of James Randi.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS6U8m2l5QY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9EBGI29e2o

bolaino: what would you see to make u believe in the supernatural? Being a freethinker doesn't necessarily mean u have to disregard the possibility of supernatural occurrences.

Here are some video's from James Randi. Exposing the trick many people who claim to have supernatural abilities use. . .Here is a video of James Randi exposing the tricks used by psychic surgeons. . . .



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u14JFjF9jBg

Freksy: Up to now you don't know you are in the universe, even after being corrected by ijawkid? Whatever thing you are doing on earth, is done in the universe. You can't run away from those questions, so re-visit them.

I can not float here on earth but i will do same out there in space. . .I can build a house here on earth but can't do the same in space. . .They are two very different environments. . .I can spray grays of sand here on earth on a table but if i try it in space they will come together to form a ball. . .Very different environment. . .

Who ask you about survival in the space? Stop claiming ignorance of my questions. I know it's a common ploy by some of you.

The earth and space, the vast part of the universe are very different. . .If explosions destroy things here explosions can act very differently there. . .

Yes, keep going; a single blast of undirected explosion created things, organised them, set well defined laws that govern their activities, defined their relative positions etc, and they keep obeying these by chance for billions of years. 'I hear you'! Please kindly go back and answer those questions, for you are merely repeating what made me to ask them. Don't try to shy away by claiming again we are not in the universe, that will be another blatant lie.

Who said we are not in the universe?. . . . . .We have picture evidence of solar systems coming about after super nova explosions. . .

For all to see what? Intelligence/wisdom in the creator, "a chance cosmic explosion"?

To see that explosions give birth to solar systems. . . .Something you denied, no?. . .

Freksy: Your failure to disprove that truth is very obvious. If it was "copied and pasted", as you claim that's what I did, does that negate the truth found in the scriptures and confirmed by modern science regarding the order in which things first appeared here on earth? What you are attacking is a sign of failure on your part.You think everyone is feeding from the same website(s) as you? Go back to that post, read through it and the cited scriptures therein, then come and see if you'll still like what you put up here.

Firstly non of the said order is written in the bible. . .The bible is clear, it mentions things like firmament separating the waters above and the waters below instead of the firmament your writers replaces it with abundance of oxygen in the atmosphere. . .How dishonest can one be. . .The genesis creation account does not mention anything like the earth core, dust and gases. . .Your writer did, where the bible says stars, moon and sun were created, he said they were seen. . .Some thing the bible never mentioned. . .The guy is just dishonest and remains a liar. . .

ijawkid: And my question still stands::: if you some hÓw buy the idea of evolution a little ,where did the first humans evolve from??...... don't we know that a careful study of our DNA's shows that we all came from one ancestor??.....

The first humans evolved from ape like creates. . .I don't believe in the theory of evolution but it makes some sense. . .Especially human evolution. . .It makes some sense to me. . .

They are runnÍng Àround aimlessly Ànd at the end of the day cluster up to form new stars??....what accounts for the debris is what you your self know(explosion) and I am telling you that our solar system isn't a product of that because it supports LIFE....I am trying to tell you that we and our solar system aren't a product of an explosion.....

What are you saying?. . .The cluster up to form new planets. . .There are many dwarf planets in our solar system that came about as a result of their collision. . .Our solar systen isn't a resuit of an explosion but there are debris that are as a result of an explosion all over our solar system?.. .What are you saying?. . .I asked you how the asteroid and comets that are just moving aimlessly all over our sloar system came about?. . .

Do yoÙ really believe in the second bolded??...well if sciÉntists are right it still supports the fact that it was orchestrated and done by an intelligent designer so that we can enjoy the sea's,oÇeans Ànd rivers....

Seas oceans and rivers?. . .What about diseases, earth quakes, asteroid falling into the earth etc that are always destrying life and the earth planet it self?. . .Who created those and for what purpose?. . .

Who or what ensured that we(humans) exist within a solar system with just one SUN??........and can we by any means live and cope in the other solar systems with just one SUN like ours??.....

Sure we can, as long as the distance of the planet is enough from the sun to support life. . .There is a very high possibility of life out there, it just impossible for us here on earth to know. . .

.....since you don't find them convincing then let's move on....why don't you try to be fair by giving it a thought to welcome the idea of an intelligent designer...our DNA's are enough to tell you that we were infact designed by someone..........

Intelligent designer?. . .Why not designers?. . . .The human body isn't intelligently designed because it has a lot of errors and faults. . .If human beings are to design a human they will do a better job. . .Our eyes for example are made so poorly that images are formed at the back of the retina as a result billions of us are born with some form of natural eye defect(long or shortsightedness) because of such poor design, an intelligent designer will not design the human eyes so poorly that images will be formed at the back of the retina. . .Our backs are poorly formed in such a way that most of us will have natural back pains because of the way or spinal disc are formed. . .If humans are to design the body they will do a much better job. . .Take a look at the universe, colliding asteroids, exploding stars. . .Even the universe is out to kill us as it stands, the sun supports life but it also destroys life, over time it will destroy all life on the planet. . .We can not live in space. . .Even the planet is just trying to kill us all the time. . .natural disasters all the time, an asteriod can hit the earth and all life will end. . .One came a lil close to the earth sometime last year. . .The universe doesn't look intelligently designed too many flaws and errors every where. . .We don't design our houses and cars to self explode by themselves. . .

And you still believe its possible...my brother you get Faith oooo.........

the earth is a planet and it supports life. . .We know only about 5 percent of the universe. . .There are trillions of billions of planets in the universe, and only the ones in our solar system we can study and know if they have life on them, the rest are impossible for us to study and know. . .We can only see them with very powerful space telescopes like Kepler. . .We actually discovered that other planets orbit the stars about 12 years ago. . .before then we didn't even know that most of the stars are solar systems like our own. . .

Well let's keep studying our planet
And solar §ystem anÐ see the handi work of the creator...

We can see other solar system forming and we have not seen any creator guiding or using his hands to control anything. . .We just see natural forces at work. . .

Lol.......what about the depletion of the ozone layer??.........

All of these are not mere random chance my bro.......nothÍng as far a§ the universe is Çoncerned came by or occurs by Chance.......

They look random, because when we take a look at them we see mindless forces just doing their thing. . .Is a hurricane the product of intelligent design?. . .What about an earth quake?. . .Are asteroids intelligently designed?. . .

bolaino: well, I understand your stance in aLl this, you live abroad, you stay among people who hold little or no superstitious belief(s) and to you superstition is absurd and unintelligent, I get,

But while a part of me yearns to agree entirely with what you're saying, the other part of me that has witnessed bizarre supernatural occurrences chose to disagree, I have seen things I can not put down in words, I have seen people make predictions that come to pass, I have seen over five crusifixes in a glass bottle, (how the hell they got inside, I have no friggin idea) and lots of other crazy stuff,

Was I hallucinating when I saw these things, I was'nt, (cos I don't do drugs or take alcohol) I have done spiritual exercises like astral projection, where I saw things that were very real, although it seemed asif I was in a lucid state, but I saw things,

I'm no religionist, and I'm open to sound and logical reasoning, I don't believe in the vengeful, blood thirsty evil spirit/god of the jews, but I believe that there are malevolent forces that chose to put people in misery, I did not arrive at these conclusions from heresay, I witnessed many metaphysical happenings, and even as the freethinker in me yearns to believe that the shadows in the dark are not worth chasing, the ISOKO man in me tells me to be cautious of my people in the village.

Here is the thing. . .The GREATEST magicians on earth that to magnificent and incredible magical feats like Darren Brown, David Copperfiled, Jame Randi are all atheist, Chris Angle is the only one among them that is a theist, all of them including Chris Angle have said that no body has any supernatural power, James Randi has dropped 1 million dollars to any body that can demonstrate his supernatural powers, many people have come forward and all have been exposed. . .The tricks they used have been exposed. . .As for the bullet prove juju stuff it is simply a LIE. . .If you are shot at and the bullet hits you it must penetrate, no body can chest a bullet. . .Most of the OPC people you see around demonstrating their pullet proof juju mostly use blanks, the gun will fire and make the normal sound, but most use blkank bullets to beguile the public. . .When it comes to crisis, most of the people use locally made guns that have no precision at all. . .The bullets are mostly small round balls of iron that people always survive...They are not so fatal. . .I dare any one in the world to come forward and chest my AK47 bullet and win 10,000 euros. . .After which I will convert to what ever religion the person belongs to and he also has chance to shot me back as a punishment for my unbelief. . .I am NOT kidding. . .

I will post some video of James Randi here for you to see, even the white people are superstitious, biut one thing with them is they always come forward to put their alleged "powers" to test and all of them that have come forward have failed. . .