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witnezHD:
I don watch this film before... (╰_╯)#

dalaman:
The bible has two versions of the story. One version says 4 thousand people and the other version has 5 thousand people.

menesheh:
This is the peak of ignorance in the topic logic. "Faith is higher logic = mcfynest "

He is trying to apply known unknown in inferences and induction.


Some people takes special joy in vagueness.

johnydon22:
[b]We have all read the bible. . . when Jesus preached, it was written in plain text that he preached. when Jesus raised someone from the dead, it was written in plain text.

when Jesus fed #5000 it was written in plain text, first of all he was preaching in the first place before people got hungry. . .

The small child that brought Fish and bread is the holy spirit i suppose. . Imagine the nonsense.

if that is allegorical then every part of the new testament is allegorical. .meaning mary was not actually human but something else, means there was no giving birth, no walking on water and no death or resurrection. all of them were allegorical.

You cannot choose the part you want and dub them allegorical and leave other parts (Cherry picking according to plausibility) it doesn't work that way. .it is either you are dishonest or just stupi_d. . . . i would say both.

This is how nonsensical interpretations arise from a simple text, when someone cannot relate to the events on his holy book or reconcile it with reality when someone lacks what it takes to agree an event found in a story implausible.

he pulls out a defence "it is allegorical" well we have heard that enough. . what ever you can't explain is allegorical so you fill it in with your own stuporous explanations. .

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johnydon22:
[b]The bible just like others is just an ancient antiquity of a set of people and that is just what it is.

If you are going to bring up discussion of biblical texts then i will have to bring much older texts some of which influenced some biblical texts.

This your code interpretation is just another way of you to heap your own interpretation on a clear text of which i am not interested. .

First you were not one of the writers to determine that the text was written in codes.

Second the antiquity was plain and clear what ever interpretation you tag to it is your own doing.

third the biblical creation story (the first one found in genesis 1) borrowed style and motif and theme from an older creation story the enuma elish, you wouldn't know this people you think it is an original coded text.

I am not interested in your own idea of what the bible says because as far as i know there are thousand other ancient antiquities and sacred texts far more eloquent.

more over i am an African, i have no business believing the myths of the jewish people. . . what ever happened to the myth of my own people..[/b]


[b]I wonder if you people ever read what you write. . Faith a level of logic..seriously..

Faith is logic reversed, it is a murder of logic and reason in order to hold on to emotional stoic convictions.

If science worked like Faith "I can't verify the radioactive decay of this compound, but well i feel it in my heart that it is real, i have faith"

will anybody ever take science serious if it talked like this? Compound "NO"

FAITH simply means you believe it true or not and this is against logic, it is against reason and can never bear any weight on reality.

That you have faith that you can fly doesn't make it true, you are simply being bolted in your delusion by an act of faith (stoic conviction against evidence)

Faith keeps you in your delusion because it shuts out reason or enquiry and encourage belief without questions or thinking, if you ever looked at the things you believe from the point of view of the believer of an another Faith, you would find it plain ridiculous.

But Alas every religion clings to their own share of irrational beliefs by FAITH...[/b]

johnydon22:
Faith simply means you believe it whether it is true or not. .that you believe there is some being that is called God that seats somewhere in a heaven and created the universe but is concerned with whether you masturbate or not is with FAITH (you don't care if it's true or not or substantiation of such postulation as absurd as it sounds, it's called FAITH. .)

If there was in the first place you wouldn't need faith to believe it, none of us needs faith to believe the sun is real. . . we know the sun is real we don't believe it talk more of believing it on faith..

Even though you dabbled into the existence of a deity when the thread is not even about it, i will oblige and reply this grave yard of words and show you how neither logic nor reason or any empirical evidence supports the existence of a God..

I'd add this to the list of the ridiculous Known unknown assertions..

You see where the first problem starts trying to confuse complexity for design. .

The working of the universe is simply but the effect of gravity and matter in relation to space and time.

Just like every other interactions are as a result of smaller interactions so too is how the universe works ultimately.

Using the organ example, there won't be any organ in the first place if cells did not interact and wort together.

This does not connote design rather it shows the rigidity of natural entities, emergence of larger and more complex entity from smaller and less complex entities. .

If you go to a desert, the patterns of the sand dunes are so finely and beautifully laid out and looks like it was drawn. but this is merely from the effects of wind on the sand.

but according to the murder of logic as you presented here, you would have us think it was carved out by something intelligent when evidently enough its just the effect of wind on sand..

Another unnecessary word salad. . The workings of the universe is only but a dance of unspeculated activities.

A star dies and a supernova occurs, but yet again a star may die and collapse into a black hole, or maybe a pulsar star. .

Show nature do not have one determined way of working but rather results are as a result of the actions of the reacting force. .

Why is this argument presented filled with unfounded and outrightly absurd assertions that are practically meaningless to the subject.

1st what is an eternal truth
2nd what eternal truths have you discovered


[b]This idea stems from ignorance. You cannot grasp the depth of the things around you, disturbing questions that needs to be answered.

And you arrive at a postulation a higher intelligent.. But this intellectual sword slash of curiosity do not answer this question it only postpones it.

If you assume up a designer for the universe (because you lack the knowledge of how the universe emerged or is) you have first of all killed the curiosity to strive to know how it actually happened.

2nd the designer itself becomes a subject of question. . .and this you will be lost in the wonders of your own assumptions.

Ignorance and gap or imperfection as you put it is not to be filled with assumptions reached by a mind yet to discover what there is to discover.

"I don't know how this works, then a creator must have done it" it is outright ridiculous. .

You don't how anything works simply say you don't because a postulation laid out in ignorance is not far from being wrong..[/b]

Right on the contrary this idea comes from inside us, the insecurity in unanswered questions, the drive to fill in a gap that needs to be filled.

But it doesn't work that way, a premise where knowledge is lacked should be a nudge to learn and not assume.


Still swimming in this ridiculous word Armageddon, this is exactly what you asserted above and you keep repeating it.

This assumption of a supreme being stems from your ignorance of what is, it stems from our lack of knowledge of the things we need to know but do not know and so employ a gap filler that not only do not answer the question, but kills out curiosity to really discern how it happened, becomes a subject of more questions and ultimately keep us swimming in the chasm of our own delusion.

This has always being the way of mankind. ."What causes storms at sea?"
"We don't know, then it must be the God neptune" should we now conclude that these people who laid out that neptune is the cause of storms at sea perceived this through cause of Neptune himself?

That is blatantly ridiculous, they were simply acting on their ignorance on what causes a storm which we now know as Hurricane and nobody says neptune did it anymore..

Morality first is a human construct, it is a term we label on actions acceptable to us for the good of the society.

Your morality stems from the interactions and relations of the society. . .If you were the only person on earth, they will be no morality because your actions do not have any perceiver to determine how good it is.

Morality is a construct of human societal evolution, stop confusing yourself..

Now can you hear yourself.

Conscience simply is as a result of empathy and empathy is a human trait that developed as a result of societal interactions.

Your desperate clutch at supreme being brouhaha to lay out foundation for morality is a total flawed postulation.

Look around the society, the diversity of moral norms shows morality is a construct of the society.

You probably think sex is bad because the society you live in make it out to be bad but yet again there is one that sees it to be as normal and good as breathing. . Subjectivity in moral grounds connotes constructs of societal evolution.

Monkeys are known to punish a member of the group who steals from the pack but lions don't.

I wonder how you people wants so desperately to dub emergence of interactive norms to a deity in other to feed your delusion of one, well it doesn't go that way...


[/i][/b]Just imagine the type of ridiculous posts i have to deal with here.

The changes in the universe occurs as a result of the interactions that occurs within the universe not outside the universe.

you forget that the activities of the particles of a dead entity is in relation or reactions to others around it that interact with it.

if there are activities there must be changes and this is a fact, stop employing unfounded causes for things that are too obvious. . just read your post for once.[/i][/b]

No it is reality that these actions are as a result of the interactions of other actions on it. . .and this simply is the way of materials.

interactions and exchange of forces resulting to action. . . . Another failed attempt of assuming up a cause when the cause is within..

[b]And here just killed the whole incongruous word batter.

The universe is the sum of the totality of matter, space, time and you left out one vital part of this [size=20]Gravity[/size] . . maybe you didn't know or was just appealing to your ignorance that every action and reaction in this universe revolves around gravity. .you only wanted to fill it in with an assumptive assertion a deity.

Well bad luck sissy. the effect of matter, the bend of space and time is always in relation to gravity. in fact gravity is the unit of causality.

Every reaction of matter, space and time is in coincide to the effect of gravity. . So yet again i have shown you how the workings of the universe is always as a result of the interactions of the constituents of the universe and not an independent unrelated cause you will like to assume and throw into the equation.

Now i hope you can stop employing a gap filler where you lack knowledge. . Because even though i took time to reply this lay out of unrelated and unfounded paste of crinkum crankums one cannot help but notice that as always this post betrays shows intellectual dishonesty, appeal to ignorance and an attempt to relate unrelated actions and reactions to unfounded and blatantly unrelated causality

This arguement intoto is simply your appeal on your ignorance. you don't know how this happen then it must be this.... that is outright intellectual dishonesty and absurd[/b]

[b]
If there is such a thing powerful enough to create the universe evidently enough you have no idea what it is.

So now a human start telling me that same thing that is big enough to create a universe is as punny as bearing grudges with humans

has a son and has an enemy

loves the smell of burning animal flesh

demands blood

is prone to mundane and disturbing emotions as anger and jealousy.

Has ego and anger issues and chronic narcissism.

Demands that tiny humans worship it or it burns them in a fire.

is concerned whether humans that are merely as large as an atom in the universe masturbates or not.

This postulations have in all ramifications murdered the plausibility of that assumption..

Even though the idea of God is an assumptive assertion, the assumptive characteristics of mundane traits has murdered it.

e.g: God is outside the universe, the same God that is outside the universe can get angry.

Anger in itself is a mundane characteristic of the material beings and for such an alleged supreme being who lives outside of the universe to be a subject of such mundane trait shows it is merely your assumption.

Anger is a product of the material world and if anything is outside the material universe then such a thing must be outside the confines of anger but alas this God that supposedly should be outside the universe is still a subject to anger

Showing how assumptions can lay a foundation in the mind of the one that believes an assumption to be true.. because they won't know when to stop infusing more assumptions into the already laid out assumptions... All in all you succeeded in pouring our improbable and outrightly illogical postulations to feed your imaginations and delusion.

am sure this treats this once and for all... [/b]

emrain:
Whether it happened or not, what are you trying to prove? @ mcfynest

chuna1985:
So?

johnydon22:

Don't forget according to the bible, earth was created on the first day along with day and night..

And then the sun (Parent star of earth and cause of day and night) was created on the fourth day..

How can day and night be before the sun exactly. . .shows you whoever wrote this knows nothing about the solar system at all...

Absolutely nothing, that person wrote from an understanding view point of a primitive man who had no telescope or knew the sun and other stars was actually too big for the earth..

And 21st century modern beings who know that the sun is the cause of day and night, the planets and stars form as a result of the action of gravity on matter..

are abandoning this verified knowledge in order to hold still to some ridiculous postulations of ancient men that goes contrary to what is..

This again is how "Faith" is both a dangerous and dishonest thing to possess..

sukkot:
HEHE i guess nigerians only respond to white jesus. very sad

plaetton:
@op
Congratulations in your sincerity and humility for asking for understanding, rather than pontificate, as is the norm amongst christians.

If all christians aproached scriptures in this manner, they would actually learn something about their religion and leave us with less to mock.

I have addressed this topic before, and will do it again.

Jesus was a member, likely a leader of the ESSENE THERAPUTATE, an elite sect that were mainly healers as well as priests.
Based on acheological discoveries of Essene literatures in their mountain fortress at Massada (which they curious called "The Kingdom Of Heaven", the essenes, also being a resistance movement to Roman occupation, communicated in codes.

During many of sermons, Jesus would first say, "to those who have ears, let them hear", as a way of drawing the attention of his Essene brethren to pay attention to his coded speech.

Jesus was born at the beginning of the age of Pisces, the fish.

In Essene nomenclature, the fish represented knowledge and wisdom, of which Jesus, their leader was the figurehead, the Fisher King.

It makes sense that nearly of Jesus senior disciples were fishermen, and that he pledged to make them fishers of men.

Now, ask yourself, what are the two basic things that Miraculously seem to multiply the more you share them?
They are knowledge (light) , wisdom and love.

So, Jesus simply shared knowledge and wisdom, as represented by the Fish inside the Bread to the multitudes, who were hungry for spiritual sustenance.

That is the lesson being communicated by that scripture, and similar scriptures can also be understood in their proper context if Essene nomenclature is applied.

sukkot:
[b]now lets get to the koko of the matter. you have to understand that the bible has astro-theological foundations meaning that everything in the universe including us humans are coded into the bible. now the verse about the bread is straight-forward because there is a verse in the bible which tells you bread means the word. now with the two fishes is a zodiacal representation of pisces which pisces represents wisdom knowledge and understanding of the celestial kind meaning ' the word '. so basically a multitude of people were preached to is what that story represents. now the success rate at this revival was so great that the converts went out to try to convert other people >>> ' the converts became fishers of men. i shall make you fishers of men '. the converts becoming fishers of men is what is presented as ' they all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over '. and what that means is that the word was multiplied because there were many more people spreading the word now. so that what this means >>> ' they all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over ' .

so the bible is a book that is not meant to be read literally. almost nothing in the bible is literal reading. there is a deeper meaning behind everything. [/b]

chuna1985:
U can't preach to 5000 people without microphone.

johnydon22:
I will be waiting

Pidggin:
Thanks sis, I know it is logical, but in the first place atheist will contest the line of thought. They don't believe God exists talk less of creating the world. May I ask why you believe He created the world? I know your answer already and it is based on faith.

kevoh:
So 5000 silly people decided to follow jesus without going with their own lunch pack except for the little boy. Clap for yourself!  This can only happen in the era were there were no cameras, no twitter nor facebook, no Linda Ikeji  , no smartphones, no James Randi, heck Criss Angel performs better magic tricks and the only back up to the story is the bible. So little or none of this ''wonderful miracle'' is mentioned by the great rulers and historians except the bible. Yeah, spiderman and thor exist, check marvel comics  for proof!  

On a realistic discussion level, I will go with it just being an allegory.

Pidggin:
@OP are u asking Christians or athiests? As a Christian my religion is based on faith, something an atheist will not have the privilege of understanding.

Of cause it really happened, there's no logic behind my belief rather there's faith that it did.

permsec:
Is it not getting obvious that our faith is getting weaker by the break of every dawn.




Our Thomas nature should be on crime,politics et al instead of the scriptures.

menesheh:
Magic:
1. The use of rituals or actions, especially based on supernatural or occult knowledge, to manipulate or obtain information about the natural world, especially when seen as falling outside the realm of religion; also the forces allegedly drawn on for such practices.

2.A specific ritual or procedure associated with supernatural magic or with mysticism; a spell


Miracle :
1.A wonderful event occurring in the physical world attributed to supernatural powers.
Many religious beliefs are based on miracles.
An example of a miracle associated with Muhammad is the splitting of the moon.

2.A fortunate outcome that prevails despite overwhelming odds against it.

You have to differentiate between the two.

menesheh:
It is one of those magics in the bible Christian nicknamed miracle.

marshalcarter:
Dnt knw cos I wanst there