₦airaland Forum

Wiifesnatcher:
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who brought you back? or the mumu major general that ran and abandoned your forefather to die like Christmas goat brought you back

you people lost your dignity and trust long time ago when one mumu led you people to destruction, only to ran and come back to contest in the same country, KANU did the same for you clowns and I'm sure another person will still come out to do the same because you people reasoning is naturally plugged on empirical thought


is it not funny that you're trying to go rough when I'm still replying with soft words. if I go rough with you, you will be more frustrated than this

you trying to reply me with soft words it's either you are mad or ignorant. You obviously don't know me. So let's leave it at that

Area4Area:
But majority of the Yorubas want you to leave now just like the northerners and what are you doing about it?

if they are really serious,they should kick start the process of referendum. After all,they North has the highest number of seats. But we all know who needs who.

Area4Area:
.... which of the two ways do you want?

it's not in our hands. If it was we would have left long time ago.

SamNaijaboy:
What makes you think Yoruba people care about Igbo leaving Nigeria?
As long as you go with only your 5 landlocked states alone and don’t try to annex SS to your Biafra dream.
But N.Kanu already calculates most of the SS as Biafraland . The people say dem no Dey come with una.

Btw, not talking about bragging. Just way of life and attempts to control others or behave when in their land

when the Igbos were leaving in 66,we didn't factor in the Yorubas so I wonder why you are greatly elevating your importance.

Area4Area:
If you are serious of leaving, the doors are still open and the north had promised no blood letting this time.
Just move, conduct your referendum and declare Biafra

please stop talking like a kid. A country is not formed that way. There are two ways.either through war or a referendum.

Area4Area:
Where were you when Nnamdi Kanu, IPOB, their online minions were calling Yorubas and northerners unprintable names on social media, you think everyone was deaf,dumb and blind to the insults?
You preach hate and you get hate

well,unless you want the hate you have for the Igbos becloud your sense of reasoning. Then you and your people would always be beneath the northerners. No tribe is lesser than the other. We are created as equals . no until the British created an animal farm called Nigeria. Whatever he said I apologise but if you still think he is evil then maybe let's try killing your people about 3 million,your parents and siblings and let's see how much Love you would show. Last time I checked,you are not Nelson Mandela. It's very easy for you to criticize until you walk in those shoes.

Chemcrown:
inasmuch I am falling for your submission, Kanu starts his secession campaign on VERY wrong footing. I ASSUME most Yorubas like me wouldn't have gone against if not for his anti-yoruba crusade of his campaign. Thanks

the truth is when people quarrel we think they are pretty or not trying to be reasonable. But when the same issues happens to us we understand how those people feel. In as much as I don't support that side of him but there are statements you read and you begin to think if thoses statements are true. If you see pure hate between the different tribes you would marvel. Facebook, vanguard online,Twitter,and Nairaland. It's nauseating. We can still be friends but seperate so that if there are Igbos misbehaving in ur land you have every right to deal with them.

SamNaijaboy:
The Yoruba did remain neutral until the Biafra Army invaded Yorubaland.
Why do you keep glossing over this fact.
Or they should have allowed Ojukwu massacre and rape Yorubaland like he did to the mid-West?
That’s where there is a deep flaw with most Igbo. They
will be quarreling with you if you don’t allow them have their way with you, offering you terms they could never accept. And once you reject it, you become their enemy. Never seen anything like it before
You always assume you are smarter than someone else. As long as the person is of a different tribe. That’s the definition of tribalism

yes the Igbos have a way of bragging which goes a bit to the extreme,but you and your people considered that when you fought for 3 years to bring them back. So who are you supposed to blame? The man who said he doesn't want to be your friend or the man who dislikes his character but still insist that they must be in the same house but still complains about how smart he feels orthinks he knows more than every one. Dude,friendship is not by force.make up your mind on exactly what you want and stop confusing your self.

Wiifesnatcher:
your people that represented political positions in Lagos lately was the handiwork of Tinubu way of playing liberal politics, gives enough accommodation for Igbo to enter schools in Lagos state that Ambode you people now see as god against him restricted your people


you people are bunch of clown that don't deserve anyone attention. only foool tried in satisfying the Oliver twist and ingrate igbo

I am going to ignore the rubbish you just wrote up there because I believe you are what you speak. A nonentity. It's only a deranged fool that would say a whole trip are ingrates . What exactly are we supposed to be thanking you for? Did you reconstruct, rehabilitate,and reconcile the SE? We never wanted to be a part of this union but you brought us back. Just because of oil. Are we supposed to be thanking you for that? Please don't be foolish.

LegendHero:
I’ve always wondered also why 95% of Nigerians making wave in diaspora are either Yorubas or Igbos. We are both intelligent tribes with thirst for success and with some sort of intellectual abilities embedded in our DNA.

The game the North is playing is the actual game Britain played against Africa. Mix the intellectuals and the less-educated together and give the latter the political power through democracy. Since it’s a game of numbers, the norther will continue to have a say in any political establishment in this democracy.

Look at the votes from Kaduna, Kano, and Katsina for example, can you see that the south is at the mercy of the North? Meaning the fulanis will continue to select people for presidency in as much as this nation stands.

I’m trying to give a realist solution to all this menace. To pull out of the country, the Igbos can’t do it alone, even if they must you must learn to bring the Yorubas in your fold.

You should understand we Yorubas, we’ve not gone through what the average Igbo went through in the war during the 60s, so it’s very hard to rally people around for a common cause. The best tool to gather people is to give them something to fight for, people only react when you can appeal to their emotions.

Nigeria will eventually break, maybe in our generation maybe not, but I’m 100% sure that Nigeria will eventually break one day. But I’m still trying to figure out how that can be achievable optimally.

Nigeria situation now is a war between the rich and the poor, coz there is a conspiracy among the leaders both Yoruba and Igbos to keep their subject in this union.

The animosity between the Igbos and Yorubas is borne out of the fact that the Yorubas thought if they don’t align with the north the Igbo will. Same thing the Igbo thought if they don’t align will the north, the Yorubas will. It’s just a political game by the leaders and we are just pawn in the game.

It’s evident in the political game of Nigeria right from time which saw the brainy vice playing second fiddle to not too literate president or aspirants from the north.
Azikwe/Balewa, Shagari/Ekwueme, Tofa/Sylvester Ugoh
Buhari/Osinbajo.

The major problem that the easterners have.we lack selfless leaders.

LegendHero:
You have your point and to be honest, you are making sense. I visited the civil right museum in Atlanta, and I saw firsthand history of what the whites did to African American during the Jim Crow era. It was a crazy sight to behold and you wouldn’t imagine the extent of damage those white guys did to the blacks (1960s period).

When I was going through those videos, artefacts, and the cruelty of man toward his fellow man, I was ashamed of myself coz I’ve always wondered why the blacks sometimes hate the white in USA and to me I thought they should have forgiven the whites.

But going to the museum changed my perspectives on how hard it was to experience first hand hatred in the Jim Crow era by African Americans which is still recent up to the 60s. What I learnt is that most people will not feel the true pain of another if they don’t experience the pain themselves.

I remebered Biafra war and the pictures of the kids online and I was sad coz I’ve always thought the Igbo man was angry for no reason, I’ve always thought they should have forgiven Nigeria, I’ve always thought they should know Nzeogwu was part of the cause and they should forgive and forget.

But I’m wrong, the Igbo man have every justification for how they feel about Nigeria, it’s justifiable coz they witnessed it firsthand and the new generations would have heard emotional stories from their parents/grandparents which is part of why they fee like this towards Nigeria.

Now this is my stance. i want better Africa but it can never be great if there are no examples of a group of black people to lead the way. Quote me any where. The Yoruba's and the Igbos are the Key to the development of AFRICA. The white man knows this so he made the Hausa Fulanis the custodians so that these tribes and the South as a whole wont move more than their shadow. please name any African group that has more Intellectuals that those from Nigeria? The only sector of our economy which they have not destroyed is the MUSIC INDUSTRY. see how far we have gone? wiz kid,davido,p square,yemi alade,don jazzy,d bnj,teckno have all collaborated with intentional acts
what does that tell you? MOVIE INDUSTRY check most Nigerian act who were born there. notice that those who exhibit exceptional traits academically in the US are usually from the south. what does that tell you? we are being caged. our talents stiffed so that we still remain slaves to the west. does it not bother you that from during the time of shagari, that the VPs have always been more intellectually sound than their heads when a Northerner is ruling? shagari/ekueme buhari/osibanjo yaradua/jonathan.........i dont hate yorubas. but we are NATIONS caged in a prison without the will to show our God given gifts. as seun kuti said it, NIGERIA IS AN OPEN AIR CONCENTRATION CAMP.

Wiifesnatcher:
did ojukwu die for them? I have forgotten majority of you, have problem with the logical usage of English. the word die that I used there doesn't practically mean death, awolowo should have led them to warfront and ran like ojukwu since that's what you people called Hero


no one should stress himself in satisfying you people because you never appreciate, left to Otedola and Fashola Igbo won't be allow to be a street landlord chairman in Lagos not to talk of contesting for political post, the same Tinubu that gave you people sense of belonging is the most hated politician in southwest and one person will now be killing themselves for one bunch of mud region people

Tinubu gave us sense of belonging? Please explain to me how he was able to do that.

T9ksy:
It's either you have reading problem or comprehension deficit 'cause i can't see anywhere in my post above where i claimed

the seat of power was not in lagos. Even a 10 yr old nigerian knows this . My premise is that northerners were running the country, first by the

sardunna who stayed behind as a regional leader (whilst he sent his stooge TB to lagos) until your kinsmen decided to snuff the life outta him.

Nevertheless, his minions continue to strategise how to wrestle power from the ibos, from their northern enclaves.

so sarduna was in charge during the war? The only reason those soldiers led by a Yoruba man went down towards ore was because Gowon was the leader and not ahmadu bello.stop being cheeky.

T9ksy:
We would have minded our own internal quagmire if you ibos hadn't decided in your infinite wisdom to turn our ancestral land into a theater of war between you and your former bedmates.

Igbos never had problems with the Yoruba people. History is there for you to see. But we have a problem when we speak against the Northerners and you drag yourself in. You should have just remained neutral in the war. There were killings in Lagos during the war. I doubt if there was any case of Igbos killing yorubas then. Only when political leaders were eliminated. And there was no where Igbo people sent them to assassinate anybody. Moreover these unfortunate killings was atoned for with the lives of innocent Igbos who had no idea what was happening. The Igbos paid the supreme price in Nigeria and all I read are taunts and jokes like you would have tolerated it if it happened to your people.

LegendHero:
Yeah that’s true. Sometimes I always feel breaking up the country is the best thing, I’m a realist and I can tell you for free that going by the current political environment and the slight animosity between the southerners, that breaking up will eventually turn to a mirage.

To you Igbos, you might always wonder why the Yorubas chose to remain in the union and why they can’t feel what you feel, but I want you to understand that people are different, we react to situations differently, we adapt to situations differently and we all have different level of endurance.

Whether Nigeria will break or not, we should all respect eachother way of life, and stop all this roforofo fight online coz no one is proposing a realist solution to all this menace facing this country.

I only asked that dude. Did awolowo die for the Igbos and he went all ballistic. I have never for once had issues with any tribe but I won't be quiet when we know Nigeria is going down daily and not say anything. Like I told a friend of mine. Our problems are not just internal they are external. The Fulanis don't care about development. They want power. And it is beginning to choke. I know people who are Igbos who reside abroad. And they are very angry with this country I can assure you. We see things differently as I said before. The future of Africa depends on these two tribes. The Yoruba and Igbo. Because these are the major tribes who have lifted the brand Nigeria above any other. Not taking anything from the other southern tribes but that's the truth. I am sick of always coming online here and all I read is insults and abuses.painting us black like the Igbos are the devil's,I go to face book and the hausas are there doing there own. but Nigeria created what we are seeing today. Igbos abuses too.but the only way is what I stated since all what we do is kill each other and the political elites are becoming richer. Let's split so that we can handle our renegade leaders who don't want to have sense.

[quote author=kay4kay post=82260677][/quote]we will not be a Nation forever. Unless you are not proud of who you are. I am a proud African and a very proud Igbo son. All I want is progress,whatever Kanu is doing is a means to an end. It is very obvious Nigeria can never be that Nation we all would be proud of. We are more than 50 years old. I live in Lagos and it's a shit hole just like every other state in Nigeria. Compared to countries like SA ,Egypt,Kenya etc. We cannot manage ourselves it is evident. Let's all agree for a separation so that we can move at our pace. The Northerners and your people have occupied all federal government agencies,there are no Jobs but you only protest when an Igbo man is caught for fraud not minding the fact that his Homeland is deliberately made unconduicive. We are our own problems. Kanu speaks you lots criticize him to death but do absolutely nothing afterwards. Is that a curse? I don't get.you keep advising and telling us how soon and gloom awaits but you suffer the same thing we suffer. If you have a better option start it then we can follow you. I won't mind what tribe you are from.

T9ksy:
Now, who's the daft one here?

The northerners slaughtered your fathers in their revenge coup after you guys had murdered their (northern) leaders in cold blood.

The seat of power might have been in lagos however right from independence day, the govt of the day was run from northern nigeria apart from the six months, the ibos held sway courtesy of Ironsi's coup.

I presume that was why you lost the war. Had ojukwu gone northwards to avenge his people's death, the few northerners in western nigeria
(abeokuta, ibadan and lagos) would have had no choice than to move back up to their region to defend their territory and kinsmen. There's no way those northern soldiers stationed in yorubaland will stay put to defend lagos- the seat of power whilst their people are been killed in the north by ojukwu's BLF.

The mid-west region was no where near the seat of power but that didn't stop ojukwu from invading the region, occupying the land and foisting his own stooge on the indigenes. He, Ojukwu had similar scheme for yorubaland as evidenced from his letter to Lt. Col. Banjo.

so the seat of power then was not in Lagos? Please don't quote me again.

LegendHero:
To be honest, you are right to some extent about Chief Opadotun trying to seek validation from the Igbos about Awolowo role in the civil war.

I don’t give a bleep on what Igbos think about Awolowo, coz we (Yorubas) only define our hero by ourselves and we don’t need any one for validation.

Just like the Igbos also have every right to speak bad about Awolowo in any way they can going by what they thought he did or how he wronged them.

This thread to be honest is rubbish and I don’t even know the essence of what the chief is saying.

dude, i do not support insulting other peoples leaders that is why in strong terms i feel that we should either we practice Federalism or we split. so that everyone can mind his own. This talk of Awolowo did this or did that is completely unnecessary. all i want is peace. and best way in my opinion is disintegration. what an average Igbo man feels is good for him is completely different from the way a Yoruba man sees his. all we need is mutual respect. and not some people making me feel as if one side is good and the other evil. every leader from Awo,Ojukwu have their mistakes and faults. so we should try and respect one another. no tribe or ethic Group is superior.

LegendHero:
Do you even know the map of Nigeria? Is Lagos bordering any Biafran territory then?

So if the Igbos advance past ore and eventually moved towards Lagos, what about the Yoruba cities they will pass through before getting to Lagos? Will the soldiers be sharing biscuit and jollof rice for the Yorubas in those cities?

Just like saying I want to attack Enugu and I’m driving through Anambra, do you think the Igbos in Anambra will be dancing with soldiers when they advance to Enugu?

Think bro, please think!

dude,i am not here for back and forth on Nigerian history and geography. i think i made my point. i wonder why when Igbos are trying to set things straight with the Hausa-fulanis, there would always be a Yoruba man that would pop up somehow.like i told your bro who quoted me first. we dont care if awolowo took you all to hell, just mind your damn business.

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State001:
Senator Rochas Okorocha has hinted at the possibility of joining the Indigenous People of Biafra, IPOB, Igbere TV can report.

But Mr Okorocha said he will only join the group if its supreme leader, Mazi Nnamdi Kanu, is able to convince him to do so.

The IPOB is a secessionist group that seeks a referendum for the independence of the Igbo ethnic group of Nigeria, and creation of a Biafran state.

Supporters of Biafran independence are from the Igbo, Izon (Ijaw), Anang, Igbanke (Edo), Ishekiri, Urhobo, Igala, Idoma and other ethnic groups within the map of defunct Biafra state.

IPOB claims that Biafrans are marginalized by the government in Abuja through lack of resource distribution, poor investment, and an unfair heavily militarized presence in their region.

The Nigerian government once cracked down on IPOB members who peacefully protested due to Kanu's arrest and incarceration despite various courts rulings for his release, reports Igbere TV.

Today, IPOB have metamorphosed from a group to a movement of the Indegenious Biafran population who are fed up with the Nigerian depleting state. Biafrans all over the world have identified with the movement, thereby making IPOB to be a face of Biafra restoration movement.

But Okorocha, immediate past Governor of Imo State, now Senator representing Imo North, said he is yet to truly understand what the group is looking for.

Okorocha, who admitted knowing members of the organisation, added it is his duty to have a chat with them as a father.

He, however, said that they must convince him on why he must join IPOB and where it is taking Igbos to.

“In the first place, IPOB is not different from other similar groups from other parts of the country, but it is just the packaging and name that have always been the problem,” he was quoted by The Sun.

“I don’t know what we plan to achieve by isolating ourselves from the rest of the country. And until IPOB answers the question, the leaders might not know how to handle it.

“When you say IPOB, are they trying to call for another sovereign nation? If they want to use this as a way of correcting certain injustices meted to the Igbo, then they should change the name to start with.

“When Oduduwa, Arewa or Niger Delta youths talk, they don’t call for a sovereign nation. For Igbo to become a country of their own, they have to think about the consequences.

“Personally, I don’t think it is good for the Igbo to become isolated from other nations and tribes in this country.

“Although the young men may have grievances, they should package them properly for the world to understand what they are fighting for.

“To be honest with you, I don’t know what IPOB is looking for till date. I don’t know what the agenda of IPOB are and where they are planning to take Ndigbo to.

“The leaders seem to have kept quiet for too long. As our children, we need to guild them and let them know that they cannot be talking about sovereignty within a nation.

“What programme do they have in the first place? What has IPOB done about the Igbo killed in South Africa? Is it not surprising that they have not done anything?

“I challenge all the Igbo to return from South Africa, India and other parts of the world, converge on Onitsha market and let us see what will happen.

“I don’t think the Igbo need IPOB at this point; it is rather a distraction that is not good for our political future. It might be the reason we are not doing well politically, yet we are adding more danger to it.

“They are our children; we love them and need to bring them closer. So, it is the failure of leadership in Igboland that should be blamed. We are not showing good leadership to these boys.

“They are children and look at how they attacked Ekweremadu, but how have the attack or threat to other political leaders solved the problem of Igbo in Nigeria?

“How has it corrected the problem of marginalisation of Igbo in Nigeria? They are beating up people in the name of IPOB in Owerri, Aba and other towns, but how has that solved the problem?

“I think IPOB is rather waging war against ourselves which should not be. I am looking forward to meeting with them anytime to address this issue and if they convince me, I will follow them and if I convince them, they should follow me.

“Can we have a meeting where the Igbo will meet with these IPOB, MASSOB and those other associations to find a common ground because whether they are bad, good or evil, they are our brothers, children, sons and daughters?

“I cannot lay claim that I don’t know them because they are Igbo and it is my duty to have a chat with them as a father. They must convince me on why I must join IPOB and where it is taking us to.

“I have told them to join APC because through APC, Igbo man might become president and if they have contrary view, they can look for alternative. IPOB needs to explain where they want to take Ndigbo to.”

http://igberetvnews.com/992550/biafra-rochas-okorocha-reveals-will-join-ipob/

Lalasticlala, Mynd44, OAM4J

[/s] is he not tired of his own lies?

LegendHero:
Just like the Igbo remain neutral by not killing western region premier (Akintola).

Just like the Igbos remain neutral by not attacking Ore right?

Rubbish!

The Igbos did not attack Ore. their destination was Lagos. I hope you know what attack is.

T9ksy:
Oh, so that was what you guys expected of Awo but he turned the tables on your slimy leaders hence the perpetual hatred

from you guys.You brought your d.u,.mb war to his land and expect him to stand akimbo as his people are being killed as collateral damages in

your marital woes with your former bedmate.

gosh...are you this daft? i repeat no one cares if he took you to hell. we just wanted to be left alone. and who was killing you? and which war did we bring to your land? if you are talking about the movement of Biafran troops to Lagos then you are a slowpoke. where exactly was the seat of power? was it not Lagos? were you expecting them to go to Kano? if you didn't want crises or blood shed as you want us to believe then you would have told the F.G to relocate the seat of power to any northern state and remain neutral. you just like to put your mouth where it does not consign you.

T9ksy:
Emphatically NO .........but the ibos expected him(Awo) to send his yoruba people onto "golgotha" for their cause.

The Igbos expected him to remain neutral. No one cares if he took them to hell fire.

Wiifesnatcher:
no one can satisfy Igbo, those bunch of savagery are naturally ingrate regardless of how you kill yourself for them


no one should waste time killing him or herself for them

did awolowo die for the Igbos?

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TRIGITIS:
Okay, since Omokriminal has decided to go this way, let's take a look at his English as well because he is also a graduate.

1. "The word is barking".

No sir, what you wrote here means, the word is actually doing the barking, so next time, the word of reference should be in inverted commas as described below;

The word is "barking" not "backing".

2. There is no such thing as "proper sentence".

Next time, it should be; "correct sentence"

3. Sir, the word "Almajiri" is a proper noun, accordingly, it is spelt with initial upper case letter.

4. The word "effort" is not a countable noun, so it is never preceded by the definite article "an".

So Omokriminal should remove that big branch of Iroko tree from his eye before looking at the pebble in Akinwande's eye.

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Frankiss44:
The northerners rejected the igbos and their SW west brothers but they overwhelmingly voted for both GEJ and Obansajo during the presidential election.. Obasanjos case was unique because even his South west brothers didn't vote for him and if not for the so called north he would have lost.. You are telling me to take my greviance to the Ijaws and here u are acting as an online advocate to them..

and how has Gej and obasanjos election added to the progress of the Igbo people? Are they Igbos?what I wrote in which you quoted has no bearing whatsoever to the direction you are going.

Frankiss44:
Am even more amazed that this is coming from you.. Is the said Urhobo man bayelsa? If he is then he has an equal stake just like every other bayelsan. How can there even be a separate state for ethnic nationalities in Nigeria but you have an ijaw man as deputy in delta state.. Ain't you guys funny?

take your grievance to the Ijaws who don't want him not me. After all the northerners who are in majority have always rejected the Igbos and their SW brothers. How many times have you been amazed by that when they reject us and treat us with disdain? Please don't be biased.

Dead country.

mgbadike81:
Practically all the countries with high vat rates are socialist countries with free and compulsory education upto phd level, free medical care, subsidized housing for most citizens etc. Comparing Nigeria to Sweden is an act of ignorant stupidity.

oh lawd!

Nigeria can never get better. Let's stop decieving
Ourselves

AstralBody:
Keep praising Buhari indirectly on his abuse of human rights. This shiit Muslims will soon arm themselves with weapon. Let's see how u n Buhari will run ur mouth then. Didn't u all said the same thing when bokoharam started? Keep goupping n talking trash.

don't mind him. Because one can read and write doesn't mean he or she has sense.

divide this God forsaken country.