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haibe: If at this point in your life you do not know that the law and the prophets means the scriptures in the OT, then you have a long way to go. you should go do a bible study before coming here to confuse people.

haibe: Liar, show me where the bible said christ only came to correct the law and I would show you where the bible says the law is abolished and that we are under a new covenant. Not old law in new cover.

haibe: You err bro.

The law tells you to stone the adulterer
The holy spirit tells you to preach to her.

you preach heresy

haibe: being witnessed by the law and the prophet.

first the law signifies lev, num, deutronomy. the prophets signifies all other scriptures written in the OT.

This books testifies or are witness to the fact that God would later reveal a righteousness by faith and not of the works of the law but that he will reveal a new covenant centred on righteousness by faith

When you do not understand something, you can ask questions.

haibe: You blaspheme without knowing, how dare you say the holy spirit is holy because it teaches a law, so you mean the holy Spirit doesn't know how to guide his Children without having to follow the law?? you are amazing, wow.

haibe: Sorry but you preach nonsence, you can be righteous without the law, infact righteousness is simply doing what is right and you can be right without having those laws.

But now the righteousness of God without the law
is manifested, being witnessed by the law and
the prophets; (Romans 3:21)

haibe: Meilin stop this hogwash, you are just misinterpreting the bible, when you see a word somewhere and it fits your claim, you just equate it with another verse.

Your level of thinking is very bad, so can we say the likes of job are not holy because they didn't have the law? you must be a joker.

Using your poor logic, I can also say:

What does it mean to be Holy? What is Holiness?

The holy Spirit is holy and so if you aint being led by the holy Spirit, you cant be holy.


Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of
the Spirit, ye are not under the law

sandijey: Nice job meilyn

Bidam: Follow the thread carefully the Op did answer your query, what Jesus came to fulfill was actually the sacrificial law.The moral laws are the very nature of God, they are eternal.they do not change cos God doesn't change.He said so through peter, be ye Holy for I am Holy(1 pet 1:13-16). Or why do you think He was conversing with Moses and Elijah on the mount of transfiguration? Moses represent the Law while Elijah represent the Prophets.So he fulfilled the sacrificial laws of Moses, the book of Hebrews was clear on that and He fulfilled what the prophets wrote about Him,His coming. Yes end of sacrificial laws. You err not knowing scriptures..That scripture says it's commands set in the form of ordinances..God's 10 commands has no ordinances except the levitical sacrifices...so it might look like Paul is advocating the abolishing of the law here but that is not true or else he wouldn't have talk about upholding the law in romans 3:31..scripture don't contradict scripture.
Even you yourself quoted that we should not be lawless,so what is to guide our code and conduct as believers? certainly the bible, if not people would be doing all sort of rubbish all in the name of The Holy Spirit, people have already started advocating for premarital sex, masturbation, gay marriages etc all in the name that it is not found in the NT and is therefore not a sin,some will even be bold to tell you it is the Holy Spirit that instruct them to do such.

As for laws..God gave Adam the first law he broke it and died spiritualy, animals were killed by God and used to cover their unclothedness, that was the shadow of what is to come, you can see it replayed in Moses era and it climaxed as Jesus came as the ultimate sacrifice for humanity. Don't fool yourself..God always wants to be OBEYED.

haibe: Whatever I tell you is scriptural based, am not just in a position to quote scriptures every time, infact I shouldn't be on nairaland at all at the moment.

The law of moses is different from the law of christ, can you show me where the bible says the law of christ is the law of moses magnified? am waiting, let's know who is preaching his opinion.

King James Bible
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ
Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin
and death.

These are two different laws.

kayuseful: 'the law of christ is the law of moses magnified.'
dat cant b true o, sinc Jesus hmsf said he came 2 FULFIL d law of moses, hw z he re-enacting what he finalisd by d sacrific of hmsf. Bibl says Christ is d END of d law. Eph2:15 says He abolishd d LAW OF COMANDMTS.. So wat else d u need 2 knw d law is over?
Are we 2 b lawless then? No! B4 d law came, didnt pple survive? Praise Christ 4eva more

haibe: When you love God you keep his commandments.

His commandments for christians is not the law of moses but the law of the spirit of life in christ Jesus which centres on love.

haibe: lol, am not arguing that bro, I only told you what love is about since you accused me wrongly that I said love is emotion.

haibe: @MEILIN I think your confusion arises because whenever you see law/commandment, you always assume its the mosaic law.

haibe: Did I say love is emotion?? No, I don't know why you keep quoting me wrong


10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore
love is the fulfilling of the law.

haibe: Let me make it easy for you.

The disciples of Christ kept the law.
The apostles did not.

I hope you get why I used disciples and apostles differently?

Goshen360: 1. Let's start this way, do you think God intended man to live by laws, rules, regulations and commandments? i dont think, i know the purpose of man is to keep the commandment of God, thats the duty of a man..

"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man." (Ecclesiastes 12:13).


2. Why was the law given and/or added? the law was giving from the beginning, its part of Gods plan. I dont quite understand your question

3. Where does the bible called some laws moral and some sacrificial?

haibe: I have told you the law is established by operating in love.


You do err, works here have nothing to do with law but good deeds, read the preceding verses to understand the context.
The apostles did not support keeping the mosaic law, read Acts 15 which I quoted above



And what is this commandment?

A new commandment I give unto you , That ye love
one another; as I have loved you, that ye also
love one another.(John 13:34)


Also commandments are not necessarily mosaic laws, they could be spiritual instructions

Goshen360: @ Meilyn,

You dey fall hands. Shey you know?

haibe: I don't think they did after christ died, read Acts 15.

The concept of faith does not nullify the law as such since we are said to fulfil the law by love. So paul hasn't contradicted all he has said in several passages here.

noblefada: Smh, New wine in old wine bottles! @op u´ve no idea of what your saying. Pls just read Galatians 3, 4, 5 & 6.
It's still beats me, the main teaching of Paul in all his epistles is still not understood by the church. What a pity just smh

haibe: Will I then be right to say Christians are still under the sacrificial laws since christ didn't fulfill all? look at those verses carefully

Christ says not one jot will pass away until all is fulfiled, so why is the sacrificial law passing away since according to you christ didn't fulfill all but only a part?

haibe: you are right, Hebrews centred mainly on sacrificial laws but I wasn't even quoting from hebrews.

Here is the word of christ:

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law,
or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, BUT TO FULFILL

18 For verily I say unto you, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED


In verse 17, christ says he came to fulfill the law
In verse 18, he says the law, not even a jot, not sacrificial will pass away till ALL is fullfilled.

Now was Jesus successful in fulfilling the law?

Mynd_44: But you noticed that posts were being hidden by me right? You wrote it your self

haibe: Lol The law is truth, Jesus is truth, the Holy Spirit is truth, a lot of things are said to.be truth.

So why do you equate only the law with truth.

Jesus brought truth, the truth of salvation from sin through grace, not by the law.

haibe: Do you know Christ came to fulfill the law as a whole?

Do you know if Christ did not fulfill all, we are still under the sacrificial laws and no jot will pass away?

haibe: But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law
and the prophets (Romans 3:21)