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twosquare: Having read your thoughts about this topic; i just want to say that Bro MEILYN....u are wrong concerning this issue.The Truth is Christ is not Melchizedek. He is like unto Melchizedek but not him.U shld know(I assume u're a christian) that the old testament is a shadow of things to come....I rest here.

Okay, if thats what you think...

Goshen360: It's not important you read. Perphaps, you can't handle what is written simply because it doesn't agree with your interpretation? I don't even expect you to understand what you read either.

i wont read because you dont talk with facts. You just write a story with your own opinion and analogy. Anytime i look at ur post and i dont see any bible verses after reading the first paragraph. I get bored mehn

Goshen360: King James Bible
The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek. Psalm 110:4

Thou art a priest NOT thou art a PERSON . . . after the order.

mtcheeeewwwww.

Goshen360: We are talking of the MAN, Jesus. He doesn't have birth or death record?

Can you show us the death record of Christ?

OlaoChi: Actually Jesus has no birth or death record

Erm, Death witnesses rather, he died and resurrected, he ascended into heaven. But He had a birth record. The Talmud confirmed this.

You know one thing about me? I hate vain babblings. Cant you quote the bible and explain? I cant be reading all these things, i wont read. Because they are your own opinion.

Thats how evil people do . They goto the greek or the hebrew when the argument doesnt favour them.

Goshen360: #1. Who is Melchizedek?

Scripture says he is\was a man LIKE you and me - Hebrews 7:4. He is also KING of Salem, a specific geopgraphical location at that time and also a PRIEST - Hebrews 7:1.

NOW, If he is a man LIKE you and I, How come he doesn't he doesn't have FATHER and MOTHER nor BEGINNING of days and END of Life? Since, EVERY man LIKE YOU and I have FATHER\MOTHER AND BEGINNING OF DAYS\END OF LIFE? It means the contradiction, we have to investigate or study the text.

First, scripture says ONLY the FIRST WOMAN, EVE, was MADE from a man, Adam - 1 Corinthians 11:12. EVERY OTHER MAN is born by a woman, which mean every other man have a MOTHER. How then will Melchizedek be a MAN but don't have a MOTHER? Even Jesus have a MOTHER and he was born of A WOMAN. If you saying Melchizedek don't have a mother but Jesus have, then they're not the same, that destroys your interpretation because you saying they are same person but one have a mother but the other dont.

to be continue . . .

But this your rubbish doesnt make sense you know?. You are now saying the bible is lying? So Paul was lying for saying that?. See Goshen i thought you knew the bible before now, but what Obadiah said is true. You just read the scripture without understanding. The spirit in Christ is the spirit in Melchizedec, its either you take it or leave it.

Your post doesnt answer my question in anyway, give me a straight answer, you are just finding fault in the bible.

doubleDx: Nice precepts Chief MEILYN. Hailings!!


Romans 1:22-23 (King James Version)

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.


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Cesare Borgia = White Jesus


^^^

Image made like unto corruptible man

Exactly bro. Trust me, these Christians dont know these things. They are still under captivity in the hands of Edom..... Bro, tanks for that verse, it supported my point exactly...

oyelude f: ERV version was where i quoted frm

I can explain the whole chapter for you if you want..... But bro, there was something in your post that made me give up. I give up bro. You are right in your mind. Stick with it.

shdemidemi: I understand where you are missing it, the issue is are you ready to listen and converse with an open mind?


You are mixing two things together a law that brought sin and death (mosaic law) and a law of the spirit of life (Jesus). Do you understand the difference between these two laws?

But according to you, Law is Law? what are the laws of moses? Can you in anyway list at least 7 of them?

Hmmmmmmmmmm........ Naija.

oyelude f: read , digest nd try to get d message being passed. [b12 But some people did accept
him. They believed in him, and
he gave them the right to
become children of God. 13 They
became God’s children, but not
in the way babies are usually
born. It was not because of any
human desire or plan. They were
born from God himself.
14 The Word became a man and
lived among us. We saw his
divine greatness—the greatness
that belongs to the only Son of
the Father. The Word was full of
grace and truth. 15 John told
people about him. He said loudly,
“This is the one I was talking
about when I said, ‘The one who
is coming after me is greater
than I am, because he was living
before I was even born.’”
16 Yes, the Word was full of
grace and truth, and from him
we all received one blessing after
another. [d] 17 That is, the law
was given to us through Moses,
but grace and truth came
through Jesus Christ. 18 No one
has ever seen God. The only Son
is the one who has shown us
what God is like. He is himself
God and is very close to the
Father. [e][/b] BTW dis is EASY TO READ VERSION usualy given to new converts during reinhard bonke's crusade.

Which translation is this? Why dont you quote the scriptures without adding your own explanation?

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." (John 1:18).<< different from what your bible is saying. So you mean God came to earth in flesh? Okay now.

OlaoChi: So why isn't reincarnation a general issue in christianity?

Because those ministers, pastors, popes e.t.c are fraudsters.

Now let me give you a little bit of History.

There is a book called the Talmud in Israel today. In that book, they claimed Jesus was a bastard born of a w.hore , and Jesus was a wayward Jew, he was a magician.

Can you believe the early Christians were funded by those Jewish people?

Why will you be funding a religion that you claim follows a bastard? Its for a reason? You know why? Because those people overthere are not Israelites, we Negroes are the Israelites, we were kicked out of Israel in 70A.D before we ran into Africa and some of our brothers went into Captivity in North America and Europe, there Christianity was forced on us, we didnt have a choice, we started worshipping white jesus.

These Israelis funded Christianity because when they invaded Israel in 70A.D, Christianity was the tool they used to brainwash we blacks that we were not Israelites, that we were Ham or Esau. They wanted to hide the fact that we are Israel according to the bible. That is why you see different lies in the interpretation of the bible today, a white Jesus e.t.c.

They changed history, changed the bible meanings and taught us lies.

Israelis do not believe in the new testament and Christians are new testament believers. How the hell will Israel be funding a false religion according to their claim? It means there is a conspiracy somewhere.

"I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. " (Revelation 2:9).

"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. " (Revelation 3:9).

"One shall say, I am the LORD’S; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the LORD, and surname himself by the name of Israel." (Isaiah 44:5).
those people out there aint jews sis, we are the real jews. Christianity was forced on us to make us forget who we were. If you want more proof that we are Israel, i can give you that....

shdemidemi: ##The issue here is that you constantly deviate.

First request was show where Jesus taught the law, you started scuttling through the book of proverbs. Next, you said the law is the truth so I asked who the truth really is, yet you refuse to stay on the point.

I will ask you another question- can obedience to the law of Moses make me righteous before God (since it is the truth, according to you)?

bro, you are the one deviating. I quoted from the book of Proverbs to let you know Christ taught the law. I have a proof that will end all this argument but i want you to remain ignorant. . Oh, let the scriptures answer your question.

"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. " (Matthew 16:27).

Matthew 5:19, "Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man." (Ecclesiastes 12:13).

"This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." (Matthew 15:8-9).

"And he said unto him, Why
callest thou me good? there is
none good but one, that is,
God: but if thou wilt enter into
life, keep the commandments.
" (Matthew 19:17).

To answer your question. We are saved with works and faith. truth and grace. Its that simple.

"But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves." (James 1:22).

"Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works." (James 2:18).

oyelude f: ok. ill do dat b4 d end of today. i cant lay my hands on my bible n commentaries right now. but on dis thread alone there r more premises dat supports d conclusion dat people saw him rather dan against.

Hmmmm. What a world.

shdemidemi: They are laws from God to the nation of Israel.

Don't forget to show me where Jesus taught these laws.

You are talking from both sides of your mouth..... Who did God give the law? Did Christ teach this laws?

haibe: What are you saying?

You said i judged you that you aint born again.

shdemidemi: I will not challenge the mockery and misinterpretation you have done to the verses you quote but I thought Jesus said

New International Version
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Who is really the truth, Jesus or the law of Moses?


I am still waiting for where Jesus taught the law o.

should i reply this?

Why is Christ the truth?
Why is he the way?
And why is he the life?

I will answer the last part.

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. " (Matthew 19:17). bro, you need to understand the scriptures. I wont say further, i have been explaining and explaining.

You dont know why Christ is the truth, life and way.

"For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:" (Isaiah 28:10).<< thats the only way you gone know this things.

shdemidemi: Hmm, you are not answering the question, may be you did not get it the first time. Jesus taught a lot of things during his earthly ministry, you said what he taught was the law. So I ask you to show where he taught the law of Moses.




Why don't we leave what I mean and what I don't mean for now. Lets deal with the part where you said Jesus taught the law.

why should i forget what you mean? What do you think the law of Moses is?

Thou shall not kill.
Thou shall not steal.
Thou shall love thy neighbour has thy self.
Thous shall not commit adultery.

Whose Laws are these?

haibe: When people don't support you, there is no need to assume they are not born again, afterall you may be the one wrong, your judgemental spirit is enough for me to understand you lack so many things as a christian.

first of all, i cant be wrong. Because i have been on your side and this side. I understand your point of view very very well, back then i used to debate with people and give them the points you are giving. But i chose this side, because it is the simple truth, because i now understand Christ and the bible.

"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. " (John 7:24).<< thats what am doing bro

"But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man." (1 Corinthians 2:15) << i believe i am spiritual.

What did i mean by being born again? You didnt even understand me. What does being born again mean? Since i have judged you according to you.

Wow, things just keep coming my way. I want to break down this verse for you. Christ taught the law.

"But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God." (John 3:21).<<< but he that doeth truth. Truth is an action and not a saying, thats what that verse is saying, cometh into light, that his deeds, his deeds which means work shall be manifest, so that verse is talking about action. Lets see what Christ meant by Truth brings you into light.

"Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth." (Psalm 119:142).<< The law is the truth? Remember? The law is the truth.

"For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:" (Proverbs 6:23).<< oh my God, the Law brings you to light . He that doeth the law cometh into light.

That was what Christ meant by that. Christ taught the law bro.

shdemidemi: No I didn't. Pls show me where he was teaching people the law of Moses. I know he was under the law and he respected the law of Moses but the part where he taught the law is were you lost me.

then remain lost bro. . Oh, you forgot the part that says follow me, follow my example. If you are a follower of Christ, shouldnt you respect and follow the law of Moses too? .

And so you mean? Christ was teaching something else? Grace you mean? Lol you are really lost.

haibe: The greek word translated is Diatheke which can mean both "testament" and "covenant", depending on the context. In most cases in the New Testoment, diatheke should be translated as "covenant".

However, there are a few instances where it can be understood in context as "testament".

When you have the holy spirit, do you need to.be taught by a brother that you should know the lord?

Bro don't confuse yourself, the new/second covenant has started since Christ resurrection on the cross of Carl vary

Like i said thats how evil people do, when scriptures dont favour them, they goto the greek or the hebrew. ..... You are wrong, that is your own private interpretaion.

"And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest." (Hebrews 8:11). <<

But you are still telling people to know the lord? Am telling you right now to know the lord. See bro, for you to understand scriptures. You need to be born again, scripture do say, My people are foolish, this right here is wisdom but you are not reborn and you dont want to.

"For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge." (Jeremiah 4:22). << We are foolish bro, i was once a Christian like you[foolish], but right now, i have knowledge, i now understand scriptures. You know why? Because i have been born again, i cleansed myself with the truth. I forgot the lies i learnt in the christian churches[white man aka edom] and i started all over again like a new born baby. Thats what you need to do bro.

oyelude f: you already sound silly. is it logical to you to extract jst a sentence out of even a paragraph to get a reasonable conclusion?

Okay bro. Get all the chapter and give us the reasonable conclusion. Thats all i ask. Give us the reasonable conclusion.

otipoju: Okay. I am happy now that I know where you are coming from. That Christianity is the a fraud. Well you are free that hold on to your beliefs and I choose to hold on to my faith and conception of the cosmos.

Live and let live. What I believe works for me and I hope what you believe gives you peace of mind.

I just wonder why you would use the words of a fraud, to back up your claim that a fraud is a fraud. Its like using a lie to convince me that something is a lie.
Anyways since our conceptions of the cosmos are not similar, I think I can take my leave as I don't argue with peole of other faiths. I let you believe what you choose and expect that you let me do so as well. Thanks.

I never said i dont believe in the bible. I believe in the bible, thats why i read it and quote from it, prove all things from it. I never say a word of my own without quoting the bible. I believe the bible, i believe in Christ with all my heart and all my soul, but am not a christian, the bible has nothing to do with modern day christianity. Am not forcing my belief on you or whatsoever, am just trying to show you that your pastors have been lying. The bible is real and true but Christianity is a fraud. The bible is for Israel and not Christians as you claim. What does Christian mean? Follower of Christ, are the so called Christians following Christ? Damn no, instead they misqoute Paul and claim Jesus is God. Smh.

Now lets goto the topic.

"And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?" (John 9:1-2). who did sin that this man was born blind? This man or his parents? How did this man sin bro?, it means maybe he sinned in his past life and now he is being punished with blindness for the sins of his past life, aint you seeing this fact? Oh my God.

oyelude f: didnt adam see God or wasnt he a man? av u tried reading d whole chaptr instead of quotin a verse out of context?

This is what i dislike about Christians. Why dont you bring the whole chapter here and explain it to us in context?

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." (John 1:18). i wonder what is out of context here.

shdemidemi: When did Jesus teach you the law?

Why do you think the experts of the law that is, scribes and pharisees detest Jesus?

Why infer that the Holy Spirit is coming to teach the law (law of Moses), where did you get that from?

Jesus taught the Law, oh you dont know that?. They detested Christ because he claimed to be the Son of God.

otipoju: @MIELYN
Some principles apply on the physical plane such as the law of sowing and reaping. That law predates religion and will always apply.

What we are talking about here is the destiny of the world from a christian view point. If I will bear the consequences of my current actions in a later life,then what use is the blood of christ for the atonement of sin.

The Xtian viewpoint is that man fell,God instituited the mosaic system of atoning for sins which proved to be inadequate and then God himself decided to pay. The ultimate price by coming as Jesus and atoning on the cross.

"Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins" is at loggerheads with I will pay for the consequences of my sins when I come in another body in 75years time.

And for those who like saying John the babtist was Elijah reincarnated, I ask how u reincarnate a man who the bible says did not die a phsical death but was taken up( whatever that means).

As a christian I realise that a lot of things I do not understand and so I cannot start doing ITK or claiming one arcane knowledge but I have common sense to know when two ideas contradict themselves.

Since you believe God came in flesh as Christ, there is no way you can understand this, what am saying is Christianity is a lie. And i repeat Christianity is the biggest lie ever.

And now you are saying Elijah didnt die. Was john not born of a woman? John didnt even know he was Elijah but Jesus knew John was Elijah. You dont get the point now.

And again read my above post. You will pay for any sin you commit, even if you have repented, God is a just judge bro.

"He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints." (Revelation 13:10). Even if you repent, it doesnt matter. You will pay for your sins. Now this verse, so many people killed with the sword but didnt die by the sword. Does that mean this verse is lying? No, what does it mean? It means in your next life thats when you must be killed with the sword. Simply put.

"But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons." (Colossians 3:25).<< the death of Christ brings you back to Christ when you break the law, but you will still be punished for your sins. No two ways about that.

And to be born again falls into this category...

macof: Sweet fairy tales

Hahaha.

haibe: My brother if the second covenant starts at christ second coming, then yoi are yet in your sins. no 2 ways about it

If it is english that is your problem, a testament is synonymous with a covenant

how the hell did i miss this? I didnt see this your post. Can you prove a covenant and a testament are the same things?

And again i want you to tell me if this has come to pass.

"And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest." (Hebrews 8:11). this hasnt happened or has it?<<< this verse is from the old testament. Talking about the second coming, end time. And not the death of Christ. My guy how do you read the bible? Christians will not kill me.