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Abagworo: There are a lot of light skinned blacks and it has nothing to do with white or Arab blood as the other features remain absolutely black. We(especially our women) should reduce our obsession with being light skinned.

i wonder.

and if arabs and europeans are the only source of light skin, so who are the light skinned yorubas mixed with? kpotokis also? or descendants of brazilian slaves? lol.

but hey, u gotta give everyone a chance to feed into the stereotype. altho, i do believe igbos licked a lot of british nuts though.

tpia@:
it seems oba esigie [16th century] might have brought a portuguese wife with him when he returned from portugal- not sure if he's the one i thought i read about.

just found something to that effect.

a lot has been written about esigie, but having a kpotoki wife who returned with him to benin, i am yet to read about.

tpia@:
^^couldnt find the link, so i modified my post.

maybe it was the olu of warri, cant say for sure.

and i modified also.

tpia@:
ok, maybe you're right.

couldnt find any links except this one:

http://www.josephkenny.joyeurs.com/ccta/CCTA3.htm

like i said, do not confuse the olu for the oba.

^

do not mistake the oba of benin for the olu of itsekiri who married a kpotoki woman.

binis are usually not stereotyped as light. try the other tribes in edo.

the esan according to their wiki page, actually claim to have a handful mixed with kpotokis.

as for the igbos, well, it is obvious they were eager to lick british nuts.

oh my, that was lamest excuse i have ever read.

u cannot falsify what u are and what others are not and present to the world wide web and expect it to go unchecked. so no shaking since u have nothing more to blab about, but i will be keeping sughu-sughu eye on the thread until u make a foolish and false statement that needs to checked.

haha funny the way una don dey change mouth now now... from forced trade relations with communities to whatever is written up there. slaves were sold for monetary reasons by merchants all across the world so i don't see anything peculiar with what aro did. however aro raided villages of fellow igbos and sold them into slavery, so i wonder what happened to the live and let's live mantra when they were selling igbo men, women and children into slavery.

it is not a discussion about religion but u brought worshipping humans as gods into it? and when u are now reminded of the humans u worship u say it is not religious discussion. jesus did so many astonishing things during his time on earth, so did shango and ogun. you don't worship mary but in every catholic church u have images of mary u pray to.. and it is interesting to note that in every igbo catholic home i have visited, they always have a shrine with candles or coloured lights with the image of mary... what the fvck is the sh1t if not idol worshipping?

and whose fault is it that ndigbo do not have any figure of authority? and the obas do not hold absolute powers anyway, they have high ranking chiefs who always moderate their powers. and in so many cases chiefs have fallen out with the obas dat led to civil wars. even in contemporary benin, the esama of benin and the omo n'oba are not in good terms. so what the fvck are u talking about? abeg come back with a new story that will be full of contradictions.

nah, it is not derailment coz i responded to comments about this thread. and why should i start a new thread for it? i dont care that much. and if u guys do not have better explanations or care enough to respond on this thread, then let it go. its no big deal anyway.

and is that because there is nothing more to say? live and lets live, yet u sold fellow igbos to slavery

u did not annex, yet u forced communities into trade and currently occupying a land that is not historically igbo?

u dont worship humans, yet u worship jesus and his mother mary?

the church is actually a very good resource to sort for girls. esp them new generation churches.

na which church man never go sef?? from catholic churches to aladura to olumba olumba, man don waka all of them.

olumba olumba in benin is home to a lot of fine ijaw girls.

odumchi: the community would then be forced to initiate diplomatic/trade relations with the Aro

and that is not "annexing"?

The land upon which Arochukwu is sitting was once apart of Ibibioland.

and that is not another example of "annexing"?

yet aro igbo did not annex anybody. ndigbo, so full of contradictions... and u guys are hella funny!

odumchi: The Aro didn't annex anybody. The reason why the Aro sold of other people (not only Igbo) is very complicated and is a result of various religious, economic, political, and social factors (and of course, the European demand for slaves).

so what happened to the village after selling the people into slavery? left the land to become a jungle? btw, i have read comments on here of how aro took over parts of ibibio land after killing their prince.

I'm a Catholic and we pray to Mary; we don't worship Mary. Anyway, I believe that's a discussion best meant for the religion section.

lol, really? so why do u have images of mary everywhere in the church and pray to her?

ahhhh, ndigbo always full of contradictions.

odumchi: These communities coexisted peacefully (for the most part) and followed the motto "live and let live"; they never sought to annex each other. This is the reason why no one monarch ever came to rule the entire Igbo nation.

i wonder what happened to the "live and let live" mantra when them aro igbos sold off fellow igbos into slavery and annexed their villages.

Odenigbo Aroli: I mean your Oba is an ordinary human being yet you worship them as if they are some gods...We Igbos dont play that shit.....

yet u worship a self-proclaimed king of the jews, jesus? and a vast majority of ur people who are catholics worship his mother mary. but i guess they were not ordinary human beings.

but unlike jesus the self-proclaimed king of the jews who never ruled over any real kingdom apart from the fairy tale one "heaven" u are promised after death, shango and ogun actually ruled over great kingdoms and deserved to be edified by their people.

why will I go and become a guard,matchet wielding soldier nor a worker for the Oba when I can work hard,become the richest man in my town,take the wealthiest Ozo title and earn a natural respect from my ppl.....

www.nairaland.com/attachments/715188_king_making_jpg6e4718c28f2114b811968261aecc9a47

so what is that old man doing beside ur eze? funny.

why u come bend yansh go back na, like person wey take am from behind?

and oh, ur kitchen looks dirty. at least, u should have done the dishes before posing for picture.

with a kitchen like dat, husband go hard u find for naija ooo, if na husband u come use ur DNA find.

edo - bini groom and urhobo bride

lol, how did this thread degenerate into a romance thread? and msdarkskin, why do u resort to cheap insults to get ur points across? hediot? u should look in the mirror.

and the focus of this thread is not about relationship between the colonists and immigrants, so what the chinese thought of u blacks is irrelevant to this thread. the reason i posted the video is that even amongst u colonists, the others seem to be fed up with u and the way u have moulded the country. but the focus of this thread is on the indigenous people that u blacks, the irish, chinese, germans, english, and whoever the fvck else are not. so please lets not lose focus here, aight?

and oh, sizzla is not a random artiste. if i wanted to pick someone random, i should have said bob marley or shaggy or sean paul. sizzla is one of my favorite artiste who happens to be jamaican that was why i mentioned him. i also like i-wayne but he is not as deep as sizzla, so there! but why u expected me to list a range of jamaican artistes is beyond me. but hey, i guess when u are running out ways to defend urself, u latch onto anything.

If you said, blacks mixed with the natives hence, they contributed to the decline in that way...well yeah though it was not by force as the populations allied.

oh, so u are now admitting to the role u played in their decline, good. but unfortunately the natives are no longer here to tell their side of the story. so why should i take ur word for it that it was not by force? u bred them out entirely that there is not a single one left on the island, thats cold!

so why did you breed them out?

MsDarkSkin: The Carib Indians were known to be cannibalistic and would sacrifice Taino men during rituals.

now it is not only whitey u are blaming but also blaming fellow natives? but unlike u, the caribs are indigenous so it doesnt matter just like there are cannibalistic tribes all over black-africa.

PAGAN 9JA:
they stole Carib women and r.aped them. .

that was funny. i guess they wanted the so-called "good hair" badly.

lol @ the self-righteousness. i dont know you and i dont care to know you. but on this thread, u have shown urself to be a person who blames everyone else apart from urself. and now u are saying i didnt watch the video i posted? the people in that video were complaining about u from begining to end. so i dont know what u are talking about.

what i asked u is if there are remnants of indigenous people in jamaica and what is their condition, i didnt ask for "pure" natives. and from what u are now sayin is that you blacks bred whatever was left of their declining numbers out of existence and u say u are not responsible for their decline? how are u not responsible when u are the one who bred them entirely out of existence that there is not a single one left on the island coz u are yet to show me a picture of any from jamaica! and i guess u are now the new natives? haha

In stead of trying to chastise me for something that happened long ago, you need to ask questions with no ulterior motives and then have the nerve to claim to like Jamaican music, when you clearly don't like the people.

so because it happened long ago means questions should not be asked? and because i have nothing against jamaicans and like sizzla as an artiste mean i must like u? are u even a "pure" jamaican begin with since u always lay emphasis on how pure people are?

Focus on the issues of Nigeria and how to make the nation right instead of passing false judgment on black Jamaicans when you don't know a thing about Jamaican history.

yawn...

Don't expect me to reply on this nonsensical thread again.
You summoned me from the "Somali" thread and here I am thinking I am going to have a normal conversation about my island. It's apparent to me now what this is all about. Keep your thread and thank you for wasting my time. Word of advice, NEVER you ask me a question about Jamaica again. You don't want answers you want an argument. Grow up.

lol, summoned u? i posted a comment on a thread. i didnt even direct or address it to u. u felt the need to answer and demanded a new thread for it not once but twice and u said i summoned u? u really do think u are someone important, aint u? and oh, stop coming back already. but for some odd reason u cant seem to stay out.

MsDarkSkin: it's not that I cannot answer the question...I ALREADY DID.
You fail to comprehend that. You want me to say blacks are responsible for their decline and that is false.

I don't even know why you asked me this question to begin with if you already have your personal opinion LODGED in your mind. Makes no sense.

Anyway I answered your question..you can go on about your life now.

and why would i expect u to say that? u cannot take responsibilty for anything, no matter how small. u are the type who blames everyone else but urself. and u have not answered my question, but beating around the bush. and the video i posted are ur fellow colonists whining about you.

but where are the natives? u cannot answer.

lol..funny video i found. it seems some whities are also whining about the current jamaica and its character.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTAbGqyAHlo&feature=plcp

oh, and asians.

MsDarkSkin: You asked how did Jamaica become a black nation.
I answered your question. Instead you want to chastise me about something we black Jamos could not control.
Before we even got on the land, their population was ALREADY in decline. They mixed with us knowing they were a "dying" race in terms of numbers. So don't come on here and ask to know the history of my island and then accuse us black Jamaicans (who represent the face of Jamaica today - btw you didn't see any "lols" so i obviously dont find it funny) as being "colonizers".

You have a motive for your questions. You need to take up their grievances with the Spanish and British. Black Jamos are not to blame for the Taino decline. And the "fight" that Marcus Garvey put up was to identify the fact that although some of us have Taino ancestry we are still more African than anything and he was fighting for equal rights and just of ALL people especially the black man which he felt needed to be in touch with who they really are. If the Taino on my island had a fair shot of survival, they, i am sure, would have had their own organizations. But because the Europeans introduced disease and literally killed some of them "for fun", they declined in numbers.

What ever personal feeling you have towards Jamos is on you. You asked about my people and I answered your questions. End of.

lol, i have nothing against jamaicans. sizzla is one of me favorite artiste and he can sing his azz off. and i dont have any motives coz i know civilizations come and go. nothing lasts forever and jamaica became a black nation through colonialism. but i will never lay the blame on "whitey" alone for the decline of the indigenous people and their civilization. whitey may have started it because they were trying to expand their territories but today jamaica is no longer a "white" territory like the US, but a "black" one. and now that u blacks have taken over the land, where are the indigenous people? they may have declined in numbers but where are the remnants? are they happy that jamaica is now a black nation? are they part of the govt? simple questions need simple answers not emotional responses. but if u cannot answer, then let it go.

MsDarkSkin: LOL you are talking about Marcus Garvey. You are YEARS ahead brother.

lol...how does that change anything? garvey a man of african descent fought for the oppressed in jamaica and just like ghandi a man of indian descent fought for the oppressed in south africa. but the only difference is, the indigenous people of south africa did not witness drastic population decline, so the indians who fought for equality with them could not take over the land and the natives retained the power and land while the indians who were slaves or indentured servants cannot claim ownership of the land unlike in jamaica. and they cannot post an indian face as the face of south africa.

mzdarkskin, all u have been talking about is me, me, me, and have not said anything about the plight of the indigenous people of land. i asked u as simple question if the indigenous are in any key position in jamaica but u refered me to google and continued talking about urself. u are one hell of a colonist. and u seem to think that because u were enslaved before u took over the land, then that makes everything alright. sorry, it doesnt.

a group of people who leave their native country to form in a new land a settlement subject to, or connected with, the parent nation.

lets dwell on ur definition of colony. granted africa cannot be defined as a "nation", but isnt that what jamaica is today? and like i have repeatedly said, jamaica is a nation that identifies their motherland africa. and it is interesting to note that it is not the continent of africa as a whole it identifies with, but identifies specifically with "black" africa. so how is that not a colony using ur own definition? black-africa is the motherland and jamaica is the colony, wrong?

What do you mean theirs declined while ours flourished therefore we benefited?

so assuming their population did not decline but flourished while urs declined and never experienced growth, would you have been able to mould the culture and character of the nation to the way u want it and eventually take over land? and isnt funny that when u posted the face of jamaica it was a person of african descent u posted and not one of them? actually it is not funny but sad.

You make absolutely NO sense in your questions or assertions. And clearly know nothing of Caribbean history or the English language.

and isnt what i have been trying to learn? where are the indigenous people of jamaica. do they hold key position in the govt? are they even part of the govt? im trying to learn here and u the jamo historian have not said anything about them.. instead u keep telling me about urself and how they bailed u out from slavery because they loved u so much. but after helping u out where are they today?

They visit various maroon camps and are eager to learn about their "Africanized" brethren.

Then you talk about how Tainos of my island don't care about "black pride", YET as I said before they were the ones who sheltered, mixed with and LIVED LOVING with the Africans.

lol, msdarkskin.. i can see na english we wan start to dey explain. if u follow the sequence of our comments, u said they are eager to learn about their "africanized" brethen. and that was when i said they never gave a sh1t about afrocentrism. then u went to blab about them caring about "black pride" that was when i replied that they never cared about such things until u showed up. and i guess i should have used ur word for word in my response and used "caring" instead of "having" so my bad. but bottom line is, they never CARED about such things until u showed up with europeans.

as for the rest of ur comment, well, u are a colonizer just like the europeans. the population of the natives declined, while urs flourished and that is not a benefit? and due to the growth in ur population, u were able to organize urselves and demanded that power be handed over to u in a land that u are not indigenous to, and that is not a benefit? and oh, everything is not in google, that was why i asked. so do u have an answer or not?

MsDarkSkin: You asked me a question and I answered it.
So unless you are Jamaican and know my history from the time the Tainos left Venezuela and populated my island until now. I suggest you keep your assumptions to yourself, Royal.

How did "blacks benefit"? It wasn't until recently we had a full black prime minister. Michael Manley and Bustamante were biracials/creoles and before them were whites. Most of Jamaica's poor is black while the mixed race, white and non-blacks own the most businesses and hold prominent positions. So how are we benefiting from their loss? What are we supposed to forget we came from Africa? To take up the Taino identity? Smell the jerk seasoning and wake up from your dream. To imply we "killed off the indians" as if it were our fault we were brought to island in chains is preposterous and HIGHLY offensive. Then you talk about how Tainos of my island don't care about "black pride", YET as I said before they were the ones who sheltered, mixed with and LIVED LOVING with the Africans. So really your socalled "disinterest" in their living as one really begs one to question, what is the point of this thread?

To continue arguing with me?

keep ur emotions aside. im trying to understand how jamaica became a "black" nation. and from what i have gathered, it was through colonialism which u cant dispute. the indigenous people of the land never gave a sh1t about africa until the people of african descent showed up with europeans. so what are u talking about them having "black pride"? did their ancestors who lived on the land for centuries before u and the europeans showed up give a sh1t about "black pride" or afrocentrism? lol, i dont think so. and i doubt they even knew u existed somewhere in africa but u can always correct me if im wrong.

now, it doesn’t matter when u had a "full black” PM, who cares? when u are not indigenous to the land? even south africa that has indigenous black people got their first black president less than two decades ago. yet u are whining of having a “full black" PM recently. lol, and i dont even want to know ur defination of "full black"

and yeah, u benefitted the most from the colonization of land because today u have a country that you are shaping its identity. and jamaica is a country that identifies with "black" africa and not europe where the first colonizers come from while a country like the US still identifies with europe. anyway, what i trying to get at is that the indigenous people got the shorter end of the stick and were left out in the cold. their population was reduced drastically and civilization destroyed.

so are the indigenous people in any prominent position in jamaica or they are still in the cold?

yeah yeah yeah, i dont care about the supposed brotherly love between the natives and people of african descent but historically it was not a black nation. u guys with the help of europeans went there and colonized their asses. you then reduced their population drastically and when the europeans decided to hand over power, they handed over to the people of african descent who gave the nation a new "black" identity while the natives were left out in the cold. you then wiped off their civilization and replaced with afrocentrism that they never gave a sh1t about. it seems the indigenous people got the shorter end of the stick and the people of african descent are the ones who benefitted most from the colonization of the land because today jamaica is a "black" nation that identifies with africa and not europe. so are the natives in any prominent position in jamaica?

MsDarkSkin: Basically the Spaniards came and introduced some unwanted diseases to the natives who were not used to them.
Disease, persecution/murder and mixing eventually caused the population to decline.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

lol, blame it on whitey. but isnt that what i said earlier? that europeans with the help of people from the continent of africa who are obsessed with the color black wiped the indigenous people off the land?

so now the important question is: are there remants of the indigenous people still in jamaica? if they are still there, are they happy that the land of their fathers is now regarded as a "black" nation and do they identify as black?

What does this have to do with you?

curiosity.

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