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@ Poster.

I think the story is incomplete. You mentioned somewhere that she till goes to school. Who pays her school fees? How much does her school fees come to in a year?

Before we crucify her mother, it is important we know the answers to the above questions. If her mother pays her school fees, probably from the little girl's earning, then it might make sense to "help her keep" some of her earnings. If that is really the case, then she can only reasonably ask for a pay rise to say 50 pounds. Afterall, she pays no bill, doesn't feed herself, doesn't pay her school fees etc. I am sure the colour of the story will change if we hear her mother's side of the story.

I don't want to believe that her mother is that wicked. There must be something she needs to tell us that we don't know.

@ naijaking1

lol! What an interesting analogy!

^^^^ and why is that ur business?? U sef go force ursef marry na.

Why can't u people stop this bad belle na, haba!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

E nice:
Cause/Effect
bank MDs mismanage shareholders funds and customers deposits,
Effect
economy nose dive, 23000 bank workers are sacked.
Cause
SLS sack bank MDs, inject funds into banks.
Effect
confidence is restored in the system. The average man can sleep with his eyes closed.

E nice - You got a few things wrong. The so called "mismanagent of the banks" did not result in the economy nose diving or sack of wokers. Rather it was a fall-out of the global economic meltdown which forced foreign trades and operations of manufacturers to a halt as their banks could not secure credit lines from offshore banks to finance their letters of credit. However, the effect of the meltdown was thinning out as indicative of the recovery in the capital market as share prices began to pick in the first quarter of 2009 until Sanusi came to do the banking jihad.

Even though it is true some banks needed help to survive, Sanusi worsened their situations by sacking their management, harassing their customers, destroying public confidence in those banks and ultimately forcing them to stop doing business. I am telling you authoritatively, that those banks are worse than Sanusi met them. He aggravated their problem. The painful thing is that Sanusi does not care about their recovery unlike his counterparts in other countries in Europe and America who can point to a few banks that they have helped survived. Sanusi does not have a plan for their survival other than sale of what does not belong to him. So I ask you, what is deserving of applause in what Sanusi has done? The asset management company he has proposed is yet to take off. That was even medicine after death if you ask me. Why couldn't he start from there in the first place before sacking bank's management

The banks are not better off but worse, the economy is experiencing its worst crisis after the civil war. When banks are not lending, the economy is bound to be in crisis! Everywhere in the world, economic growth are financed by debt. Sanusi should have known better if he were not just a vindictive and bigoted Jihadist who has nothing bust ruins to offer.

Please get yourself updated about economic issues.

idifu:
Wole Soyinka should pls stop associating or whatever with the likes of Bisi Akande, the chairman of the AC, as well as Bola Ahmed Tinubu, the former governor of Lagos, Usman Bugaje, Femi Ojudu, Kayode Fayemi, Wale Oshun and Osun State guber candidate Rafiu Aregbesola, if hewants me to keep respecting him cuz these guys are all criminals like Oshiomole,

True talk my brother. They are all political criminals only seperated from those in PDP by parties. Tinubu especially.

@ Topic

I have always known Oshiomole is a fraudster. While he was the Labour Chief, his children schooled abroad and he was supposed to finance that expensive venture from his meager Labour office emoluments. So I am not surprised at all. This is just the height of it. To have invited IBB - a man who annulled a free and fair election where people stood in the sun doing "one man, one vote", to come and preach about the concept he himself does not believe in is a big contradiction.

May God scuttle Oshiomole's ambition to be VP! And may IBB be humiliated the more in his last days. Yes, his last days. Sometimes when God wants to deal with people, he gives them a chance to feel on top of the world and then make them fall like a park of cards. That, I'm sure would be IBB's story.

Dominoifet:
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Me sef:Sanusi's intentions (to be rational) were seemingly good but he got it wrong by failing to seperate corporate governance issues from liquidity issues. He preferred to chase thieves and ruin their business forgetting that banks are not just some people's business but national growth drivers. Then, i think (this is my personal opinion) his temperament ruined him when he was dealing with the problems. I remember he was quoted as saying some bank CEOs should be shot! Maybe that was influenced by his religious belief. He was actually implementing a banking Jihad.

Secondly, I think Sanusi cannot argue that there was no ethnic sentiments about all this. He is surely bigoted like his northern brothers. Some of us bankers knew that the North has never been pleased with consolidation. Recall that the Vanguard and some other papers revealed sometime in March 2009 that there was a plan to take over 5 banks by some northern hawks/cabal. That was before Sanusi resumed office in May 2009.Lastly, I hope we'll learn a serious lesson from this by always selecting people who were prepared for the job. Sanusi was never prepared for the job. His long life ambition was to be the emir of Kano and not the CBN governor. That perhaps informed why he opted for religious studies for his masters degree in Sudan of all country. He was no doubt a misfit for the job.

Thank u so much. What more can one say. I've used that phrase 'banking jihad' in Nairaland on a thread asso. With Sanusi. Some tot I was religious biased. Look at it, its just what it is- White ornamented Sepulchre!!!

Don't mind them jare. Were they expecting anything less than Banking Jihad when they put an islamist fundamentalist at the helms of affairs in CBN?

Sanusi's intentions (to be rational) were seemingly good but he got it wrong by failing to seperate corporate governance issues from liquidity issues. He preferred to chase thieves and ruin their business forgetting that banks are not just some people's business but national growth drivers. Then, i think (this is my personal opinion) his temperament ruined him when he was dealing with the problems. I remember he was quoted as saying some bank CEOs should be shot! Maybe that was influenced by his religious belief. He was actually implementing a banking Jihad.

Secondly, I think Sanusi cannot argue that there was no ethnic sentiments about all this. He is surely bigoted like his northern brothers. Some of us bankers knew that the North has never been pleased with consolidation. Recall that the Vanguard and some other papers revealed sometime in March 2009 that there was a plan to take over 5 banks by some northern hawks/cabal. That was before Sanusi resumed office in May 2009.

Lastly, I hope we'll learn a serious lesson from this by always selecting people who were prepared for the job. Sanusi was never prepared for the job. His long life ambition was to be the emir of Kano and not the CBN governor. That perhaps informed why he opted for religious studies for his masters degree in Sudan of all country. He was no doubt a misfit for the job.

chidichris:
@honeric01,
if u have been following my posts on nairaland, i always rejoice over the death of every politician in nigeria. all i am saying is this, let there be a law that is functional and effective. let that law work for each an everyone of them.
the idea of 36 states, 36 laws have never, is never and will never help nigeria.
obasanjo and ribadu probed abacha's family and recovered some funds, yes, but where is the funds? what about the other presidents? at the end of the day, how did that solve the problems of looting among our politicians? if u will say the truth, it rather increased the looting party as non of all the politicians under obasanjo is poor as we write now.
if it is taking all these long to look for ibori, if every nigerian must get involved in the arrest of ibori, calculate how many iboris we have in nigeria and multiply it with this lenght of time and u will agree with me that corruption will take eternity to leave nigeria.
it is important we try to seperate the war for loyality from the war against corruption.
those who are fighting this war on corruption are even on the list of corrupt politicians directly or indirectly.
the diplomatic removal of yar adua and skillful presentation of jonathan has officially bring back the reign of obasanjo.
the dictector is back.
if there is any war niger delta indigens shld be fighting now, it shld be the war of liberation especially now our person is there but what do we have here, a house that is didvided against itself. a man who is out to be used against his ppl.
this war against ibori will at the end of the day, be all we benefit from the time jonathan serve as the acting president of nigeria.
the wait by easterners will continue till God knows when.

When I read posts from people like Chidichris and Sapeleguy, I weep for the future of this country! For somebody in his youth to hold these views is heart-breaking and threatening to the realization of our corporate destiny as a nation.

Here are people saying IF WE CANNOT DO EVERYTHING, WE SHOULD DO NOTHING. This undoubtedly is the slogan of failures and anti-progressives.

Do these statements; one step after the other, Rome was not built in day etc mean anything to you guys? What is wrong with catching one thief and using him as a scapegoat?

To Sapeleguy, this is all about persecution. But he failed to dispprove the fact that Ibori is a thief. Persecution or no persecution, IBORI IS A THIEF! There should be no sentiments about that. While Sapeleguy was busing rolling out names of people walking free, he failed to mention that there is one man (Bode George) roasting in jail for "chopping" amounts far lower than what Ibori stole in a single year. People did not carry placards in Lagos, his home state, to say that they should leave their son alone. Neither were there women who walked naked and did free shows in the name of protest to demand that a thief should be left off the hook. It is diversionary to introduce ethnic sentiments into this struggle.

Chidichriss and Sapeleguy, your image laundering for Ibori would not work, stop disgracing yourselves here or at least stop revealing your shallow thoughts for all to mock!!!!!!!

I want to introduce another dimension to this finger pointing. Even though some of us here may not agree with this, I still think it is something to ponder on.

"The weapons of our warfare are not carnal, we do not wrestle against flesh and blood but against pricipalities, " - These are common Bible quotes. I have brought this to the fore to make a point that Da Grin lost a spiritual battle. How do I mean?

Da Grin should have prepared for a spiritual battle when in one of his songs (can't remember the title of dat tract) he said " Ko ni da fun awon aje" (meaning - Damn all witches). In this part of the world, witchcraft is real. You need to be strong spiritually, holding on strong to your faith (Christianity, Islam, African Religion etc) to withstand their strong powers. I am not insinuating that the Da Grin case is exactly that of witchcraft but just pointing out a possible cause of action that could defy the best medical treatment and the most sophisticated car safety gadgets. Once a battle is lost spiritually, the manifestations in the physical could take any form and we'll just be here rationalizing and passing blames. This is Africa!

I think the lesson from this is that while we are excercising due care and taking necessary safety measures, we should watch what we say in the public and then hold on strong to our faith.

I guess some of us are ill-informed about what transpired at the wedding. Those pictures didn't say much. I stumbled on the full telecast of the wedding on BISCON (a channel on HiTV) last night and I was impressed by the couples dance steps especially Bella. Although, they looked depressed at the Church service, they were all smiles at the reception.

Bella sang and danced all the way like nobody's business when Mo hits (Wande Coal, D banj, Don Jazzy et al) took to the stage. In fact, people were begging her to stop dancing but she refused in a dance show that lasted close to an hour. Never knew she knows all their songs by heart as she sang along with them. Bella and Jameel's friends also joined them in the dance show.

Again, I do not think this is an arranged marriage because Bella was visibly happy and was all over Jameel at the reception, kissing him at interval. But one bad thing i noticed was that Jameel's parents were not sighted on the high table where the likes of IBB (Chairman of the Reception), Mike Adenuga, Awujale (Father of the day), Bella's mother, Oshiomole and David Mark were all seated. I think Mike Adenuga's dignatories overshadowed them and that's not good enough.

But why do many of us care so much if DOG EAT DOG

Whether this is political or not as long as the dogs are eating themselves one after the other, I am cool with it. It is better than allow all of them walk free and besides we all are toothless DOGS! We simply can't get them to rot away in jail by ourselves. So let them deal with themselves.

Sometime soon I'm sure there would be another DOG who will eat IBB, OBJ, Anenih et al.

Since this seems to be the only way that these rogues would be dealt with, I don't think we should care too much that its not some other people's turn. IT WILL SURELY BE TURN BY TURN NIGERIA LIMITED.

Power supply has improved greatly in Surulere, Lagos where I stay.

However, I guess "Jonny boy" knows that steady power supply would put him in a good position to contest and win the 2011 presidential election. I don't really care if this is a campaign strategy anyway.

This guy - "Be who u r" should just spare us his crocodile tears! And apart from being childish, he is a pretender!

Can you imagine him saying he can never forgive her?? What did she even do wrong by seeking opinion from a faceless forum? Can all you fellow atheist now see the difference in flocking with somebody that fears GOD (in which case forgiveness is easy) and someone who does not? The guy even threatened to murder her former boyfriend; what kind of spirit is in him??

So if this dude has been married to her, this is how he will let external incursions destroy their marriage? Is this how he will handle issues? I don't care how old he is, he is seriously immature!

FANTASIA - see I always pray a prayer when I was still single like you that God should destroy whatever union that seems good but headed for destruction. God might just be answering your prayers by letting all these happen. I am not drawing a conclusion here but if he decides to leave you on the strength of what transpired on this thread, believe me, God will prepare for you a man that is better than him in all ramifications. All the best sister.

Personally, i remain unconvinced about this guy.

@ Poster.

I will be blunt and straight to the point.

1. If truly you are a Christian, I believe you know that marrying this guy is a whole lot of risk. If you have the spirit of GOD in you as you ought to, then you won't be confused about him at all. Remember the bible says there is a way that seems right to a man but the end thereof is death. This guy may seem nice now, dropping you in church, doesn't get angry , etc. Don't be under any illusion that all these would continue when you are married. He only gets angry at the mention of church now but I can bet my life that mid-way in your marriage (if you marry him), he will stop you from going to church!

2. The devil knows the Bible. He comes across these days not as the monster depicted in most pictorials of him but as a gentle, calm, unassuming and caring personality. I want to believe that YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW THIS GUY!

3. You'll be 30 soon and i guess that is some kind of pressure on you. But I will advise that you tarry a little, listen to your pastors and parents and don't get carried away by one nice guy. I tell you, it doesn't last!

4. Pray fervently for this guy, get a knowledgeable pastor to engage him and if he doesn't change in 3months, LET HIM GO. You will thank me for this invaluable advise later.

5. Finally, no matter what anyone says here, the ball is in your court. Please be wise in the way you play it.

All the best.

@ Poster

You really think the chat is harmless huu? That is how it starts, your husband knows your weaknesses and also know that this could be a journey of no return! In fact, for you to seek an opinion about whether to stop the chat or not shows how religious getting on the chat is to you right now. This is dangerous and i believe you really have questions to answer. You better heed your husband's warning and stop the nonsense chat!

I once had a colleague like you (we were both married) and it was my wife that saved us from destroying our marriages when at one point we got inadvertently attached emotionally. I had no intention of an affair from the outset but was almost going to have one until my wife seperated us somehow.

Please listen to your husband and save your marriage!

@ Ollajay
"Whatever Lagger Bact's record might have been historically, the truth is that he did not match Amodu on current result. Only Nigeria can give out a world cup ticket to a man so undeserving of it and pay him stupendously for it. If Lagger Back is as good as Nigerians say, why did he not qualify for the word cup on his own merit?"

That comparison of Amodu and Laggerback is faulty. First, they were not in the same terrain. Do you in your honest opinion believe that Nigeria under Amodu would have survived if drawn in any of the World cup qualifying group in Europe? Recall his heart-attack kind of football. Secondly, the fact that a coach failed to help his team qualify for the world cup does not mean he is not good. Hassan Shehatta proved that to us at the African nations cup when he out-classed all the world cup teams he met on his way to lift the trophy including “our dull head coach” – Amodu. Besides, Laggerback was at both the 2002 and 2006 world cup with Sweden.

@ hanronky7
"Black man (particularly black Africans) and his inferiority complex   !

I am yet to see any European or other continents looking for a black coach. As I am not and do not want to sound racist, it seems to have become a common place to see black African teams parading foreign coa[s][/s]ches Messiahs at the world cup, often sacking their indigenous coaches that did all the hard work and got them there in the first place, as if that is what guarantees success. And many poverty stricken nations even empties their coffers to join the group. What a shame!"

Guy, football has gone beyond skin colour and the emphasis everywhere in the world is result. Saying Amodu’s best is not good enough and finding a replacement from the land of the White skinned is no inferiority complex. England and Greece are two European countries coming to the world cup with foreign coaches. Does it not surprise you that England did not find the likes of David Moyes of Everton and Harry Redknapp of Tottenham Hotspurs (all of who’s shoe Amodu cannot clean) worthy of its national team manager’s job? Even though Laggerback would not perform miracles in this circumstance, I am dead sure that he has seen it (modern football techniques) better than Amodu. If Amodu could not beat Egypt and depleted Ghana at the nations’ cup and his only pride is that he qualified ahead of Tunisia and lowly Mozambique, how can he plot to stop Maradona’s Argentina and Otto Gloria’s Greece?

Please let us leave sentiments; Amodu’s best is not good enough!

chidichris:
@nethacker,
i have really seen your type over and over again on this forum. bring out all nigerian politicans both elected and appointed, tell them that whosoever that is innocent of whatsoever crime ibori might have committed let him be the first to cast his stone.
what the late adedibu did in oyo state is unheard of yet nobody was uncomfortable with that.
how come ibori is the problem of every nigerian? what about those who served at federal capacities where the major atrocities were and are being committed. it is only unfortunate that fools like u can be decieved with ibori issues rather than men who have turned nigeria upside down.
out of 36 and ore govs, how man were u told were corrupt and how many are facing the music?
if not for chronic stupidity, embeciles will know how many of these politicians were asked to drop their presidential ambitions or face efcc.
what happened to the atiku scandal? it died with the election and someone is here to tell me ribadu is our mesiah.
like i said, if i were ibori, heads will roll. after alams, how many other govs suffered the same fate? if u do not belong to yaba mental home, u shld be asking urself how far ribadu cld go with his madness on the side of orji uzor kalu of abia state? atre u aware that the same gov won the election for his chief of staff who ribadu arrested before the election just to frustrate ppa in abia state.
man pass man. ibori shld emulate orji uzor kalu of abia state and stand his ground because nigeria belongs to all of us and not your obasanjo and co.
ibori shld import bombs and granades. if possible, let him seize delta state and other states will start up their own and by so doing, everybody will become king in his own domain.
those who refused to lick the feet of that old shameless fool are criminals while all the criminals in nigeria are in his good books.
God punish devil.
@me sef,
if u are asked to grade the criminals in nigeria, where will u place the likes of mrs.etteh, bode george, borrishade, late adedibu, kayode, obasanjo as against ibori?
wether u like it or not, all these ibori, alams and kalu stuff are designed to mislead nigerians. obasanjo made same noise against tinubu and why is it that idiots like u are not calling for the head of tinubu?
who killed bola ige? maybe ibori? who stole the missing ship? maybe ibori. all the contracts that were given for electricity, roads and police at federal level were all given to ibori i think.
as a foolish idiot that u are, what do u have against ibori

It stinks to hear you say we should glorify thieves like Ibori and Alams just because they are not the only thieves! And your tribal sentiments is disgusting as well. Just thank your God that this forum is faceless and anonymous. Otherwise, we would have grabbed you to have your brains checked with the Psychiatrics!

Abagworo:
@all those trying to crucify chidichris.alamiesigha and ibori should have been left for their people to judge.their alleged loot belongs to the niger delta people.the rest of nigeria are looting legally from niger delta and should therefore face prosecution.why are they all scared of 100 percent resource control?abeg free ibori and others.face your own governors and stop being parasites.

Another senseless contribution! Leaving Ibori and Alams alone is why your greed in the Niger Delta will continue to be the bane of your development. That is why your fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters will continue to be deprived of good healthcare, good roads, potable water, good education and good means of livelihood. That is why your youths will continue to waste away indulging in all sorts of crimiality, fighting for daily bread with their lives. That is why the sons and daughters of Ibori and Alams will continue to enjoy all the good things of life from their father's loot while your own children will continue to transfer poverty from generations to generations. And this course shall continue until you learn to hold these monsters (your leaders) accountable! Fools!

chidichris:
@soyad,
if there is anyone here who will suffer, it is u and your lineage.
i am from imo state. mrs etteh used well over N623m in  renovating a house and we all know the rest of the story.
iyabo obasanjo was involved in the medical equipments contracts and when she was invited by efcc, we all saw how a senator went missing.
the highest level of looting in nigeria come from the yorubas and they are all free ppl and imagine that naughty person called bode george serving just two years not even arrested by ribadu.
ribadu found atiku guilty but what happened till today. the only thieves the yorubas know are ibori, kalu and alams. among all the govs of the western region, non is guilty of anything.
obasanjo who financially brought nigeria to her kneels is still the sole decider in important issues in nigeria till date. iwu the most popular criminal in nigeria is a saint just because he is working for obasanjo.
like i said, ibori is a fool.
if i were him, i will declare war on the efcc and their men. i will be ready to die for the course but i will surely make my mark.
tell me, who is more criminally involv ed in the destruction of nigeria than tony annenih. why is nobody facing trial in the federal fronts where our problems as nigerians are lying?
if ribadu comes back with the same form, i am telling u and mark my words, he will not go free this time arround.
why is ribadu not coming to explain to the present efcc what happened to all the recovered funds from his victims?
there was this romour that the yorubas are planing to join benin, so what is going on with that?

So Chidichris, we should leave Ibori alone abi? I am sure you have started learning Ibori's trade of corruption and looting already. If all you can say about this is that this monster - Ibori is that he be left alone because he's not the only one, then you are an unpatriotic fool! For you tohave even added tribal sentiments shows how illogical you are.

Was Rome built in a day? Who says IBB and OBJ will never answer to their evil deeds someday? Yes, there are still many rogues walking the streets and the motives behind the current litigations on corruption may be largely political but the most important thing is that it has taken off. I can assure you that if we sustain  this fight, it will in not too distant future out-grow political machinations and bring about the sanity we all desire.

Chidichris, you better know that if you decide to go the way of Ibori, you will not escape rotting away in jail! You'd better repent!

scoro99:
Mhen the Emir is right and we all know it.

Regardless of the club u re supporting, we know the Down-time on students reading is the longest as we have it today!

Guy, are u also as daft as the Emir making this illogical and foolish statement?

How can he be right? If boys failed because of EPL, did the female students (less than 10% watch EPL) fail because they watch EPL too?

Lets face it, the quality of teachers have dropped, education standard generally has fallen and i suppose everybody in nigeria knows this.

adolfe bad:
@ME SEF

perhaps
you should be willing to shed your blood too

its absolutely not a bad idea to sacrifice your life for your deep belief

Who says I fear to die fighting for a course I believe in? I am not afraid of death because whether you like it or not, it will surely come. I do not own my life. God owns it and if I lose it fighting a just course, so be it. Come to think of it, if i fear to loose it, some ruthless dogs (it could be police, armed robbers, Almajaris, jihadist etc) may just take it someday. So i will rather fight with my blood for a nation that will exclude all these things that make Nigeria a HELL than watch helplessly and get consumed in this present HELL. Let the Jihadist have their own hell and let us have the heaven we so desire.

naijaFrank:
ME SEF,

I do not completely agree, I'm in the middle here. I accept that Nigeria's formation was faulty and in need of a reform but i don't think a ''peaceful separation'' is possible. If it can be done peacefully, then It might be a preferred solution. However, it will involve mindless killings and hate propaganda which will ruin any chance of development for years to come. We will end up like Rwanda or the Congo, achieve a backward movement instead of progress!

I'm aware many people do not subscribe to my point of view here and are willing to sacrifice peace if it means everyone eventually going their separate ways afterwards, i respect that. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, But just consider what will happen to people in the event of a war, I studied the situation in China and there are just as many tribes and languages but Chairman Mao was able to create unity through the eradication of a class system and an enforcement of rule of law (By 'extraordinary' means). In the new China, you dont have to be the son of a landlord, northerner or Southerner to earn a living. You just have to be hardworking!

This i think is a step in the right direction,

naijaFrank - While I am not an apostle of war, I know that a peaceful secession or freedom of the first kind has not been heard of in history. In other words, the fight for freedom and self determination is always bloody. Those who thrive on the prevalent injustice in such states don't let go so easily of the freedom fighters. Sudan is a case in point.

I do not believe that "jelenke" negotiation would bring about the change we desire. Our problem is so endemic! You don't have to agree with me on this: WE MUST DISOLVE THIS FRAUD CALLED NIGERIA BY WHATEVER MEANS POSSIBLE. WE MUST BE READY TO SHED BLOOD. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY FORWARD.

It is difficult but the result can not be paralled by choosing any other means.

Dede1:
The problem with some strolls on this board is the failure to realize that Nigeria is a colonial aberration. If progress had to reign supreme in that part of the world, the geographical expression called Nigeria that was setup by British colonists must be deconstructed.

Exactly my view. Thats what people like tenzor777 refused to understand. Our foundation as a country is faulty and needs to be re-built even if it means all ethic groups go their seperate ways.

tenzor777 qoute - "Yes, Nigeria has had communal clashes and probably will continue to have them, given the communal lifestyle, the lack of strong conflict-resolution institutions and the well-known inadequacies/incompetence of the Nigeria Police Force"

There you go again! You are blaming the police. You obviously don't have a grasp of the issues. Do you not know that the composition of the top hierachy in the police is by where you come from and not what you can do? Have you heard of quota system or federal charcter before? Besides, how many almajaris can police kill? Those guys are mean, fearless and care less about death!

There you are trying to point out lack of strong conflict resolution institutions (some pure english and theory if you ask me). That is how people like you have been rationalizing and the country is getting worse.

We dont need to learn theories to know that the mentality of an average northerner is different from that of people from the south. When we are not thinking alike, when we dont share the same philosophy of life, when we don't have the same vision, when some are desperate to move forward and the some others are desperate to drawback, when some dont see anything wrong in sprinkling blood and pull out the dagger at the slightest "provocation" (lets assume there were some), I ASK YOU GUY, WHAT THE HECK ARE WE DOING TOGETHER??

tensor777:
No amount of concerted cyber-based propaganda by disgruntled fascists will ever stop Nigeria from continuing to be the giant of Africa.
But what is so shocking is the sheer lack of imagination of these reactionaries. They are ready to jump on every passing bandwagon without being able to present a structured coherent argument of their own.

The world has moved far beyond the days of Hitler and his Lebensraum policy.

What a vague contribution! What structured coherent and sensible solution have u proferred to the threatened continuing existence of your so called "giant of Africa" than just writing English I guess you are in the diaspora because those are the guys who try to rationalize things with all sort of western theories that has never worked here.

I am sure you will be on our side if you were to be a victim in the recent crisis in jos. Need we remain together and continue to kill ourselves just because Nigeria should remain together? Just how many more people would be killed for us to reach that promise land??

Guy, stop speaking English!

naijaFrank:
There are millions of multi-tribal families like mine all over Nigeria (UNLESS OUR VIEWS DONT COUNT SINCE WE HAVE BEEN ''STAINED'' BY MIXING UP A BIT (LOL) ).

We are possibly, the only solution to Nigeria's cultural problem. Kids born into families like mine - are able to see beyond the differences of language and creed. When you have uncles who are Christian and aunties who are Moslem or cousins who speak a different tongue, You tend to be more tolerant of other cultures, That's all i am saying.

Let us stop being illusioned by this Nigeria project that will never work. The British never wanted it to work. Our fore runners for their selfish interest (Awo and Zik had personal ambitions to rule the most populous black nation on earth) refused to confront the fraud in the almagamation of Nigeria.

Our foundation as a country was built on deceit, falsehood, ethnic sentiments, selfish personal ambitions, mistrust between the major ethnic groups (as evident from the regional structure of political parties at independence) and religious shackles. Using marriage as an example; where there is no trust, the marriage fails. That is the reason why a President from a certain part of Nigeria would be ill and incapacitated and his kinsmen would do anything to prevent his Vice who is from another part of the country take over. Ask yourself, why the need for rotational nonsense, sorry rotational presidency if there is trust?

Gaddafi may not be of good morals and character but he got this right spot on. We need to go our seperate ways. We need to break up into smaller nations and in my opinion need not necessarily be along ethnic lines but based on as many ethnic groups who will come together to negotiate how they will co-habit in the same nation. Hosnia and Hezergovania broke away from Yugoslavia but is not ethnically homogenous. The people of the comprising ethnic groups share the same ideology and agreed to go together. At first me may break into as many as 100 nations but i am so certain that some nations would find the need to come together via negotiations. In fact, to sound optimistic, i believe that we can still have the country called Nigeria back depending on the negotiations that takes place. From the American example where all the states joined the federation at different times, all the break-away nations could still negotiate one big country.

One thing would be certain afterall, if we ever find the need to come together again, we would be living together with so much respect for each other and our co-habitation would have been seriously bargained for. Except we scatter, I dont see any peace and mutual respect in this fraud called Nigeria.

To some people who think the love lost between some tribes or ethnic group will continue after the breakaway, I have this to say. I think the problem is that we have not really define/negotiated our co-habitation. Once there is that negotiation, respect will come in. And that is what those calling for true federalism and constitutional conference (not the politicized one) are hoping to achieve; a co-habitation based on trust and mutual respect.

naijaFrank: Let me give you a candid advice. You choose whichever country you want to belong to. I am sure that option will be open to you.

biina:
How did you reach the conclusion that this is the opinion of the 'average northerner' (whatever it means)?
- are you a northerner
- have u sampled the opinions of other 'average northerners'?
- have you verified that the name Shehu Abubakar is genuine and not a pseudonym and or that the guy is truly a northerner?
- given that you agree with his opinions, why can we not consider the possibility that the article was written by you?

Even so, assuming this is the opinion of the 'average northerner', what evidence have you that Lamido shares the same views. Where is the evidence of the "quota system and federal character in banking" you accuse him of
He has appointed 8 interim CEOs to the distressed banks: Lai Alabi (Intercontinental Bank), Funke Osibodu (Union bank), John Aboh (Oceanic bank), Nebolisa Arah (Afribank), Susan Eroche (FinBank), Mr. Cyril Chukwumah (Bank PHB) Mr. G.O. Folayan (ETB), and Mrs. Sola Ayodele (Spring Bank Plc). How many of them are northerners? Which bank has been taken over by northerners?

Its a shame that Nigerians often like to reduce everything to ethnicity and tribalism, and that so many southerners find it difficult to accept that a northerner could actually be succeeding where his southern predecessors have failed.
You are definitely one with a wild imagination.It is said that[i] to the ant on a table, the world is flat.[/i]

While the predominantly Muslim north may differ in orientation, and priorities, than the southerners, it is arrogant of you to proclaim that your view of things as absolutely right and accuse them of holding 'us' back. You are no better than the Europeans that call us uncivilized simply because our ways are different. The only things that has ever held Nigeria back are the greed and corruption of all our leaders (irrespective of origin) and the complicity of people like you who shy away from the truth and instead try to foment ethnic sentiments.

I doubt you have ever been to the North nor interacted actively with the northerners you claim so much expertise on. You should get off your high horse, and put your efforts to better use in trying to understand and appreciate people from other parts of the country, particularly where they are coming from. We should appreciate our diversity as a nation, and not continue to perpetuate the 'divide & rule' mentality that the British used so effectively against us.

biina,

Grab a copy of the Guardian newspaper of March 04, 2010 and check its editorial for the story. I mentioned that in my second post but you wouldn't see that because your nerves have been engrossed in sentiments.


I used to be like you, rationalizing everything in this country especially the one-sided and ethnocentric regime of IBB and Abacha (You may argue that they were not elected) until i met a hausa friend in 2005 while living in Abuja. The guy told me that come 2007, the north will not only be gunning for political power but also for economic power. He said Obasanjo has opened their eyes to the fact that it is the guys with economic powers that eventually call the shots. Now, in 2010; 5 years after, my colleagues down south will say it is a mere co-incidence that Lamido is CBN governor hunting and destroying economic players from the south, Dangote is now Presdient of NSE where they were supposedly manipulating shares of their companies and almost all the decision makers in the economy are from Katsina and Kano States, really a mere coincidence??

I really dont want to fan the embers of ethnic discord but this Shehu guy has really nip it in the bud that the clamour for reversal of consolidation many years back has now found fulfillment in Lamido's governance of the CBN.

Now all the CEOs appointed by Sanusi to the 'rescued' banks are tired brains, just wait for time to tell you this.

Lastly, the problem of the country is you elites from the south who try to rationalize everything. Don't be deceived, this country is not one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The earlier you guys wake up to this reality, the better.

biina:
If someone failed in his duties, he simply failed in his duties. There is no 2-way about it. It does not in anyway mean the person was corrupt, but then that would be difficult for you to comprehend, as you have no opinion of your own and can only hurl personal insults.

Soludo failed in the supervision of the banks and that is why Sanusi had to take the actions he did. If his motives are being questioned in the public forum by you and your likes, Sanusi has the right to defend himself and his actions by bringing to light the failings that created the problems he is trying to solve. But you would rather he keep quiet so that you can keep peddling your rumors.

Man, you are a partial judge! You seem to be hell bent on hammering on Soludo's failures. Sanusi also failed in aggravating a worsening economy by his actions. How about that? Have you heard of the near N100b un-collaterized loan approved by Sanusi while he was FBN MD? The same offence for which he's hell bent on hanging Madam Ibru? You see, it is so easy to find fault! Let the guy just mind his business and face the job he's paid to do squarely and stop parading himself as a messiah of some sort.

If Sanusi feels strongly about the weakness in banking supervision, how come he has not overhauled the whole of banking supervision department of the CBN as he hastily did with the Bank CEOs? At least those examiners were sent to banks to examine their books during soludo's time and the same guys are still there now. In fact, Banking Supervision was reporting to the Deputy Governor - Tunde Lemo and he's still there now. How come Sanusi has not pushed for his replacement? CBN is just like NNPC or any other government parastatal or agency where corruption hold sway and that cannot be blamed on Soludo. It is an endemic problem in the Nigerian public service.

My guy, all this thing is politics. Sanusi is suffering from inferiority complex and obviously intimidated by Soludo's large footprint in CBN.

biina:
another misrepresentation of facts. Where did the CBN say they wanted to encourage 'massive' lending

Dis guy, do u work in CBN or lick Sanusi's dick

Nobody is right but you. U get problem o!!!!!1

citizenY:
APOLOGY
Dear Me-self,

I am indeed very sorry for the error. I should be addressing the author of your post- Shehu Abubakar.
Please accept my sincere apologies.

Accepted my guy.

I was actually taken aback to read this on the editorial of Guardian newspaper of March 04, 2010 and thought to share wilth all Nairalanders.

Its the opinion of an average northerner and this Shehu guy just brought to the fore the fears some of us have expressed about Lamido's agenda; the seeming introduction of "quota system and federal character in banking".

I just cannot fathom how a part of the country that is so reluctant to move forward will be allowed to hold others down. I'm sure very soon, they will fabricate something to say southerners should stop going to school for 50years so that the North can catch up.

Help!!!!!!!!!! Our country sinks!

@ biina

Guy, I think you are a confusionist! Maybe your problem is that you don't understand english. When Sanusi kept emphasizing that something happened during Soludo's era and that the Governor at that time watched heplessly as they happened, what in your dumb opinion is he did he mean?

You seem to enjoy antagonizing everyone on this forum just because you enjoy the benefit of being faceless. You better go and look for work!!!!!

Stemming Northern marginalization: In defence of Sanusi
By Shehu Abubakar
THERE is no sphere in Nigeria that clearly evidences the growing loss of relevance of Northern Nigeria as much as the banking sector. And it is a rude shock that many Nigerians of whatever persuasion - Christian or Muslim, southerner or northerner - do not appear to note the danger in this strange imbalance in a country in which all sections are supposed to develop at par. Even our "human rights activists" do not appear to be concerned with the fact that with ownership of banks and financial institutions so skewed to one section of the country, the associated long-run economic disempowerment of the other section is not only unjust but could spell economic doom for the entire country. In this regard, it is difficult not to see Charles Soludo's bank consolidation exercise as a deliberate ploy to marginalise the North.
There is a building in central Kano. Known as the Ahmadu Bello Building, it is, with about 12 storeys, the tallest building in all of Kano. That building used to be the head-office of Bank of the North. All of its floors were busy, occupied by executives rendering a core service to various sectors of the economy. If you visited the Ahmadu Bello Building in the '80s after its commissioning and even down to the last 10 years, it was a beehive of activities. You would see hordes of bank workers and customers.
Today, that building is nothing but a relic of the past. Only one or two floors are in use and close to 80 per cent of what ought to be prime property occupied by one of the most vibrant economic growth drivers of northern Nigeria is in a sorry state of decay. Indeed the building erected at great cost in 1980s is slowly coming to ruin. Its elevators when they manage to work are death traps and lack of maintenance is taking a serious toll on what used to be the pride of every resident of Kano, indeed every northerner. The Ahmadu Bello Building is only one victim of the recent banking consolidation exercise of former Central Bank of Nigeria Governor, Charles Soludo. Today, in forcefully merging Bank of North with several other strange bed-fellows, the CBN has deprived the people of Kano and by extension, northern Nigeria of the extensive benefits that this regional bank used to provide.
Bank of the North never aspired to be anything other than a regional bank. Its sphere of influence was very clearly defined and in our constitutional democracy was very legitimate. It existed clearly to help propel people from the northern part of our country from the fringe to the very mainstream of economic development. And all the state governors in the north subscribed to this and invested accordingly in this bank. Does it not amount to a breach of the rights of the people of the north for such a bank to be forcefully decreed out of existence as the CBN under Soludo did?
It is doubtful how much of its very clearly defined and articulated goals are understood by Unity Bank the quasi-national institution which Bank of the North was forced to metamorphose into. It is even more doubtful if in its efforts to demonstrate that it is a national bank, Unity Bank can connect anymore to the needs and aspirations of the peoples of northern Nigeria. Obviously just as it may be impossible for anyone who did not grow up in the creeks of the Nigeria Delta to fully appreciate the intricacies of life in that part of the country, so it is for those who have not truly experienced life in the core north to fully appreciate life in that part of Nigeria. And this is vital if a bank is to truly optimise its impact on the community. It is not only Bank of the North that lost out in this bizarre exercise of the CBN that headlined the leadership of Soludo. Intercity Bank also lost out. This predominantly northern bank no longer exists.
But if banks like Intercity and Bank of the North could be said to be regional banks focused on the north, Habib Bank was not. A clearly northern bank with professional and ethical tenets founded on the principles of Islam, Habib Bank even though a very successful northern-dominated bank, provided services on a national scale. With a presence across the country, it was a bank with which lots of northerners shared affiliation at various levels - commercial, cultural and spiritual. Consequently, it was common to see the Hausa or Fulani tailor in Ebute-Metta in Lagos for instance, go the extra mile to establish a banking relationship with a Habib Bank located all the way on Awolowo Road in Ikoyi. This was his own bank and banking with it was more than an ordinary transaction.
In the aftermath of Soludo's consolidation, Habib Bank simply disappeared. It was subsumed into a contraption that appeared confused as to who it was and what role it wanted to play in the economy. Rather, the new contraption appeared almost hell-bent on further emasculating the legacy of Habib completely out of existence. Otherwise, how does one explain the phenomenal growth of the legacy Platinum Bank in the new Bank PHB contraption? How does one explain its desperation to buy over first Afribank and later, Spring Bank if not part of the grand ploy to further dilute and completely annihilate the legacy of Habib?
It is in the light of these distortions in what ought to be a delicate economic balance in our country, that we must appreciate the interventions of Lamido Sanusi, our new CBN Governor. It does not need a professor of macro-economics to make us realise that the skewed nature of ownership of banks across the country could only have further spelt doom for us as it clearly worsened the economic disadvantage of Northern Nigeria. With more than 20 bank CEOs from the south of Nigeria, only Falalu Bello of Unity Bank is a Northerner. Indeed the only other northern bank CEO in the last six years was Sanusi himself and in all, he spent less than six months in office!
As Nigerians we must learn to begin to tell ourselves the truth. Soludo's banking consolidation may have benefitted the south but was a big disservice to the north and consequently may have been a disservice to the entire country. Sanusi's efforts to redress this situation should not be derided by elitist and self-seeking apostles of regional politics. Ultimately, the poor in Lafia, Gagagarawa, Zuru and Birnin Kebbi, need specialised banking and financial support like his counterpart in Koko, Uyo and Ogoni. This can, however, never happen if all the banks in Nigeria are southern banks, dressed in the self-deceptive toga of national banks.
Thankfully, the CBN has since systematically assumed control of Bank PHB and hopefully, should in due course extend its control to Unity Bank. Without prejudice to whatever misdemeanors by executives of the former that warranted the take-over, the CBN may wish to consider dismantling these unnecessary, fake and inefficient behemoths into the focused and efficient banking institutions which at least some of their components used to be. Let Habib Bank and Bank of the North re-emerge from these institutions as part of the new focus of the CBN to encourage regional and specialised banking. We can only further drive holistic economic growth and development if we empower every segment of our country to progress together.