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tctrills:
Jesus Christ never said it was only them and he also did not give us a list of everyone that would make his kingdom so this your question is not making sense.

If the prophets were born again as people are born again today, why are you interested in me giving you the list of born again Israelis.
Please what is your point?
Your question is so foolish that I don't even know how to answer it. It's just like I walk into a church and you ask me to give you the list of everyone who is born again. Does that make any sense?

Oga I never said you should give the list of the isrealites that were born again. You claimed that Apostle Paul said that the isrealites were baptized and therefore they are born again as people are born again today.

Paul clearly stated that the isrealites were baptized into Moses. So how are they born again as people are born again today?

tctrills:
We keep going round in circles.

Jesus Christ said.
John 3.5
Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

The same Jesus Christ said
Luke 13:28

28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

In John 3.5 Jesus Christ gave you the condition for entry to the kingdom of God and in Luke 13.28, he gave you a list of people who fulfilled the condition.
Why can't you believe him.
Or is there any evidence bigger than this.
So when you ask how I know Abraham was baptized, the answer is because he is qualified to enter the kingdom of God. QED

Oga so are you saying that According to Jesus, it was only Abraham, Jacob and Isaac that was born again?
What of the isrealites that the Apostle Paul said that were baptized into Moses, were they also born again as people are born again today?

tctrills:
Jesus Christ already told you and I have pointed you to it like a thousand times, the only question is oga do you believe Jesus Christ or do you believe your pastor?
Choose one

Where did Jesus say that Abraham and Moses and the isrealites performed the process of being born again?

tctrills:
But Jesus Christ already told you how to become born again. Be baptized and received the Holy Ghost.

😂😂😂.....So Where does the Bible say that the faithful men of old including Moses and the isrealites did that Process?

tctrills:
No it's not. That's why I specified. Let's take Abraham as an example. Are you asking how I know that Abraham is born again?

This is my question.
Oga the ones that were isrealites that you said were born again, How did they become born again na? Show us from the Bible.

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tctrills:
You mean People like Abraham?

Oga my question is clear enough.

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tctrills:
So it's impossible for me to tell you that everyone in Israel was born again especially because the bible makes us know that they were very disobedient.
But we can both agree that All the prophets were born again.
It's just like asking me if everyone in a church is born again. Just because they all followed Moses across the red sea doesn't make them born again. So again I ask, what is your point?

Oga the ones that were isrealites that you said were born again, How did they become born again na? Show us from the Bible.

tctrills:
So what is your point? Did Moses baptize Abraham? Did he baptize David? What is your point.

I am still waiting for you to tell me how the isrealites were born again with biblical back up

tctrills:
The very same way people get born again today

Did the apostle Paul not clearly tell you that the isrealites were baptized into Moses and not into Jesus Christ? Yes or no?
Is that the same way one becomes a born again today, by baptizing into Moses?

tctrills:
Being from Israel doesn't make you automatically Born again and I never said Nicodemus or all of Israel were born again.

So how does an isrealite in the law covenant becomes born again?

Foolish question. Kindly show where Peter, James and John were baptized. The bible only has record of the baptism of 3 specific people

Kindly read Acts 1:5, 13 to get information about Peter James and John.

No I am saying that they are the only people in the entire bible, old and new testament who's baptism was recorded.[quote]Please kindly read Acts chapter 10 to see if your statement here is true.

[quote]You are right here but still the bible is not about keeping the record of everyone that had ever been baptist or don't you agree?

Yes I agree. But the bible clearly states the process of being born again which we are sure that Jesus' followers followed.

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YES or NO

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Can the two of you explain what is going on here?

😂😂😂me sef tire.

tctrills:
No but one can be born again without knowing the meaning of the word "Born Again"

If Nicodemus was sure that he was a confirmed born again as an isrealite, How come he was ignorant about it and needed to be told about what born again entails.

I never said any of the things you asked to show you.
But I can show you that there was baptism in the days of old and people had the Holy Ghost in days of old.

Kindly show us where the faithful men of old were baptized into Christ and also baptized with the holy spirit to be born again?

Meanwhile your Bible only gives details of 3 baptisms, Jesus Christ, Paul and the Ethiopian eunuch.
So according to your logic, their 8s no evidence of the baptism of Peter, James or John

Are you saying that it was only Jesus, Paul and the Ethiopian eunuch that was baptized in the bible?

Kindly read Acts 1:5, 13 to see if what you said about Peter James and John is true.

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tctrills:
The second part of your question is meaningless for the following reasons.
1. Even teachers don't know everything.

Can one be born again and not know that he is born again?

2. The phase born again could be entirely new to him but the principles of baptism was clearly not new to the people of Israel.
Paul reminded us of the baptism at the red sea and the idea of the Holy Spirit was also not new, please read your old testament.
For the first part of your question, it means baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost

Can you kindly show us where Paul said that the isrealites and faithful men of old were baptized with water in christ and were baptized with the Holy spirit just as Jesus followers were baptized with water as stated in John 4:1 and with Holy Spirit as stated in Acts 1:5?

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tctrills:
When you grow older, read what you just wrote and I am sure you will be shocked you wrote it.
I would have questioned what you wrote but we both know you will run and hide like a chicken the moment your beliefs are questioned so let me spare myself.

Lol....kindly explain the process of How a person can be born of water and spirit to be born again as John 3:5 states. And also Explain Why Nicodemus who was a teacher in Isreal never heard of the word 'born again' and could not confirm that he himself was a born again even though he was an isrealite just like every other isrealites.

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tctrills:
I will if you paste John 3.5 but then I don't need to because He has already told you that they would enter the kingdom of God. Any other question shows you don't believe or respect him.
You clearly believe your pastor more than you believe Jesus Christ so it's hard to teach you.
But it was fun answering your 200 questions. I bet you have never seen anything like it before.
The questions your pastors don't have answers to, you see a common man providing answers from the scriptures

If you understand John 3:5 you would easily know that faithful men of old were not born again and were not required to do so to gain salvation just as they did not need to have faith in Christ.

tctrills:
If the words of Jesus Christ is not evidence to you then you can't be helped. And if you don't know what it means to be born again you should not have been on that thread.

😂😂....kindly show me where Jesus admitted that Abraham, moses and other faithful men of old including the isrealites were born again by carrying out the process in John 3:5.

tctrills:
Funny guy.
The new guy is at least more respectful than you but then I give it to you, you are smarter than him.
Funny thing, you boys opened a thread but when the questions came you all ran away. At least I had the chance to teach your new boy and answer almost 200 of his questions. I know he learnt a lot even if he wouldn't admit it.
And yes, Abraham was a believer in Jesus Christ (A Christian).
Have fun

Oga till now....you could not give evidence of whether Abraham was a Christian or born again....you could not even explain what being born again entails....you could not prove that Moses was not the mediator between God and the isrealites.... So what exactly did I learn?

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