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tctrills:
You mean because his listeners assumed a wrong thing that makes his words figurative?
Is that your definition of figurative speech? Anytime your listeners assume the wrong thing, then your speech becomes figurative. I am learning new English everyday

The answer to your question is staring at your face in the context of John 2:19.

tctrills:
It was not stated is it called hell in your translation?

😂😂😂....so you don't believe that people who are not allowed into heaven in Luke 13:28 will go to hell as shown in Luke 16:23? Yes or no sir?

tctrills:
Your Bible tells you that he was not referring to the temple in Jerusalem. Stop being dishonest. If he was not referring to the temple in Jerusalem why come up with an absurd question

Oga was Jesus talking to me and you there. Did Jesus know that his listeners actually thought he was referring to the literal temple as shown in John 2:20?

tctrills:
Hell. What does that have to do with the topic sir

😂😂fine.....in the Prophecy of Jesus in Luke 13:28 will people who are not allowed to go into heaven cry and gnash their teeth in hell also?

tctrills:
I just told you that it was not stated or do you want me to write my own bible? Now I ask, was it stated in yours?

Oga I am referring to Luke 16:23 in your translation, where was the rich man crying from?

tctrills:
Are you saying that his body was the symbolic temple and not the literal temple? I disagree with you. His body was the literal temple. The Holy Ghost dwelt in him

you mean the body of Jesus was the same literal temple in Jerusalem where the Jews worshipped?

tctrills:
Oga, it did not state were they would be thrown that's why I am asking, did your translation state where they would be thrown?

Ok....where was the rich man crying from in Luke 16:23 in your translation?

tctrills:
He was talking about his body. I hope you know that his body was literally the temple of God and that's no parable. Right?

Oga I never said it was a parable.....it was clearly a prophecy....Jesus never told his listeners that he was talking about his body....he knew clearly that they thought he was referring to the literal temple in Jerusalem. But the prophecy was symbolical and not literal.

tctrills:
I am not sure that was mentioned in my translation. But I welcome your translation.

Oga Luke 13:28 says they will be thrown out. Thrown out to where sir? Where was the rich man crying from in Luke 16:23?

tctrills:
Oga we are literally the temple of God. That the people did not understand doesn't change the fact. So as usual, you are wrong.

😂😂😂.....so was that what Jesus was telling them in John 2:19 that their bodies was the temple of God?

tctrills:
Please explain your question better.

Where is the location where people would be crying and gnashing their teeths according to Luke 13:28?

tctrills:
I don't get your question. There is no connection.
The moral lesson of Luke 16. 19 is for you and I to do the right before it gets too late and we no longer have the chance. That's what the story of Lazarus and the rich man is about. You can add your insight too.

😂😂😂😂.....so that's all...ok....where in Luke 13:28 will people be crying?

tctrills:
No they did not but you and I know so what does that have to do with our topic oga.

Good....it shows that not every prophecy is literal and prophecy can have symbolic meaning. Jesus was not talking to you and me in that context.

tctrills:
Did he need to? Is his body not the temple of God. Please explain your point? Why do you think he needed to tell them when in truth and not in parable, your body is the temple of God.
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Oga I am not arguing whether the body is the temple of God or not....Did Jesus listeners know that Jesus prophecy was referring to his body?

tctrills:
Oga have you not been reading. I keep saying that I don't know if it was a parable or not.
Now Luke 13.28 was not even a story so it is easy to tell that it is no parable.
The other verse is a story so one may not be sure if the story is a parable or a true life story.

So are you saying that Luke 13:28 is not connected to Luke chapter 16?
If it is not connected, explain the moral lessons of Luke 16:19 downwards.

If it is connected, explain how.

tctrills:
Are you trying to be dishonest or ignorant.
But he spake of the temple of his body. Or don't you know that your body is literally the temple of God?

Lol......ok did Jesus tell his listeners directly that he was talking about the temple of his body?

MaxInDHouse:
Walahi talahi Michael you like wahala.

Why not just free the guy nah?

He begged us to agree to disagree we said no and now he has admitted that he was wrong as nobody could be a Christian if such a person never met Jesus or learn about what Jesus taught.

So why giving him all these stress?

LOVE PEOPLE--MAKE DISCIPLES

@ Section 1, Lesson 4 under HUMILITY
Point 5 says:

Do not insist on making a point! .

Lol...my brother....he is my teacher here....so I'm simply asking him questions to prove his teachings.

tctrills:
I said I don't know if it is a parable. If Jesus Christ used the word parable then I wouldn't say I don't know.

So why are you still insisting that it is a parable that did not happen since you don't even have evidence for that. Why are you not willing to take it as literal as Luke 13:28?

tctrills:
Lol see how dumb your question is because. What Jesus Christ said was very literal.

Alright.....did Jesus rebuild the temple of Worship in Jerusalem in three days?

tctrills:
Another foolish question. Jesus Christ said the born again will enter heaven, he did not say right now or give any timeline so how does this your question make any sense.

Ok....so you don't even have evidence now that Abraham is in heaven.

tctrills:
If I get your question, you are asking me to align what could have been a parable (did not literally happen) with what was not a story or a parable right?

The problem you have Is that you are saying that the Word parable means "it did not really happen". Kindly show us where Jeus used the word "parable" from Luke 16:19.

tctrills:
Again you are talking nonsense.
I can't align what I don't have evidence to where the evidence is clear.
For example, you asking me to align the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ to the parable of the talent. Only a mad man can do so.

😂😂😂.....do you have evidence that Abraham is in heaven now. Yes or no?

tctrills:
Now to emphasize, even if you are telling a story of something in the future, it is always reported in past tense.
Example
It was the year 2080 that the third world war began
If I say, the third world war will begin in the year 2080, it no longer qualifies as a story.
I am helping you both spiritually and with your use of grammar

Thank you sir.....kindly explain Jesus words in John 2:19. Was it a literal prophecy?

tctrills:
As I said, I don't know if it were a parable or true story.
But Luke 13.28 was neither parable or story.
Please let's use our education here.
There is a reason why our parents paid fees

Since you don't have evidence that it did not happen, kindly align Jesus words in John 3:13, Luke 13:28 and the rich man and Lazarus story.

tctrills:
Oga, you don't tell a story in the future tense.
The moment Jesus Christ said
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
It could no longer be a story.
Please you went to school.
This is very simple use of English or is your own bible in Igbo?
Some of the previous verses could qualify as a story but the moment he began to speak in future tense, it stopped being a story.

Can you Kindly show me where Jesus indicated that the rich man and Lazarus was merely a parable and not literal in Luke chapter 16.

tctrills:
Luke Luke 13.28 was not a story. Do you even know the meaning of a story oga.
Please how is this a story.
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

At least you went to school na

Oga kindly read and post Luke 13:23-30 and let's see what is there. Don't just cut out verse 28.

Kindly show me where Jesus indicated that the rich man and Lazarus was merely a parable and not literal in Luke chapter 16.

tctrills:
It was Jesus Christ that told you so, I only quoted his words. Again what in particular do you want me to explain please ask a clear question.

Oga go back to my post....the questions are there.

tctrills:
I don't understand your question. Why should I align them. That have very different messages.
The story of the rich man and Lazarus could have been a parable but John 3:13, Luke 13:28 are clearly not parables. Why do you think the should be aligned?
Do they tell the same message?
Please explain yourself clearly.
Wait oh. Are you saying that nothing Jesus Christ said was literal is that your point?

Oga did Jesus also tell you that the Rich man and Lazarus was not literal and that his story in Luke 13:23-28 was literal?

tctrills:
You have a great point here and you see I don't argue when you make good points so should I start asking my questions now

😂😂😂Oga explain yourself first.......what questions do you want to ask after you've told us here that Abraham and faithful men of old are born again and are with christ in heaven?

tctrills:
If the story of Lazarus and the rich man was not a parable then it's literal. Do you think it was a parable? For me I don't know.

Since you don't have evidence that it was not literal, kindly align Jesus words in John 3:13, Luke 13:28 with the story of the rich man and Lazarus.

tctrills:
Oga, you are clearly over thinking and missing the truth. Is Enoch and Elijah are in heaven then you have no argument. This should answer your question.

If Enoch and Elijah were in heaven before Jesus came to earth, was Jesus lying in John 3:13?

tctrills:
Do you think he was joking?

Good....if the story of Jesus words are to be taken literally in Luke 13:23-28 as prophecy of a real life event, we can also also take all words of the story of Lazarus and the rich man as a real life event.

Another foolish question. The names of the saints were not given.
I never said Abraham was among these saints. I only gave this as a question. Please go back and read what I posted

So if the Abraham was not among the saints that resurrected with christ, please how can we align the statement of Jesus in John 3:13 and luke 13:28 with the parable of Lazarus and the rich man?