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tctrills:
Does Jesus Christ give fake prophecies? All his prophecies are real.

ok.....Reading from Luke 13:23-28, in verse 25, Did Jesus really mean that people would literally go to heaven and start knocking at the doors of heaven to get in and start crying outside the doors of heaven when they are not allowed go in?

It's of zero importance to know the date they went to heaven.
I am a Christian too and I don't know the date I will go to heaven so what's the importance of knowing the date Abraham will go to heaven.
Please explain how knowing the date Abraham went to heaven is evidence that the words of Jesus Christ is true.
I really don't get your point here

Ok....you claim that Matthew said that it was after the resurrection of Jesus that saints began going to heaven to fit the idea of what Jesus said in John 3:13. Is Abraham among those saints that went to heaven after Jesus resurrection?
If yes, when did Jesus story of the rich man and Lazarus and Abraham happen?
If no, How do we explain what Jesus said in John 3:13? Where was Abraham in the story of the rich man and Lazarus?

tctrills:
Ok in that verse, Jesus Christ was talking about a future event so it is a prophecy.

Is the Prophecy a future real life event?

I don't know, but how does that relate to Luke 13.28

You claim that Luke 13:28 is proof that Abraham and other faithful men of old are born again and therefore Christians and are with christ in heaven......So it is important that we know when they went to heaven since Jesus statement was clear in John 3:13. So If We take Jesus words to be fact in John 3:13, When did the story of Lazarus and the rich man happen unless you have evidence that the story did not happen?

tctrills:
You are right, I have no evidence that the rich man and Lazarus is a parable.
Now can I ask you my own questions please.
Or are you still trying to say something?

If you say Jesus words in Luke 13:28 is not a story or parable, then what is it?

Since you have no evidence that the story of Lazarus and the rich man is not a true life story, did the story happen after Jesus was resurrected or before?

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tctrills:
First do you now know it is not a parable? Let's start from there.
Next how do you mean categories. Please explain better so I can answer your question.
Let's categories it as not a parable.
Also, are you not yet ready for my questions yet.

😂....Oga tell me na....you said Luke 13:28 is not a story or parable.
What is your evidence to show that the Rich man and Lazarus story did not happen?

tctrills:
Oga parables mean stories. It's simple English. Do you expect me to teach you all things?
Ignorance and pride is the worst combination. At least, you could have research the meaning of a parable

Ok....so how do we categories Jesus words in Luke 13:28?

tctrills:
Foolish question again.
A parable is simple story used to illustrate a moral.
Hope you know the meaning of a story or should I teach you the meaning also?
Is Luke 13.28 a story? Please let's be using our head here.

😂😂😂....so Jesus used only stories as parables? Wow😂

tctrills:
Oga, I never said Abraham Jacob and Isaac went to heaven when Jesus was resurrected with the saints.
Please go back and read what I wrote don't misquote me.
I said I don't know when they went to heaven. And the story of the rich man was a parable. It most likely did not happen.

😂😂😂 so if the story of the rich man and Lazarus was a parable, why is Jesus words in Luke 13:28 not also a parable?

tctrills:
1. The verse has zero connection with
Lazarus both are talking about totally different things
2 Your question of when Abraham, Isaac and Jacob went to heaven is quite foolish because the bible never gave out the dates.

3. The interpretation of Luke 13.28
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
The wicked would weep when they see Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and all the Prophets in the kingdom of God.
Now can I ask my own questions?

Good...... if Abraham Jacob and Isaac went to heaven when Jesus was resurrected with the saints according to you, when did the story of the rich man and Lazarus happen? Was it before Jesus was resurrected or after?

tctrills:
Are you asking about the interpretation of the above verses or about where Abraham was before entering the kingdom of God? The above verses have nothing to do with your question.
Please if you don't understand the verses about ask me but don't ask what is not contained in those verses.
Now can I ask my questions

Oga please interprete Luke 13:28 and tell us when Abraham, Isaac and Jacob went to heaven and also connect it with the time that the story of Lazarus, the rich man and Abraham happened.

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tctrills:
Again you are looking for distractions. If the topic was where people go when they die then I will understand but for now let's return to the topic and the revealed word.
We would talk about life and death at another time.
So please can I ask my questions now?

Oga this is not a distraction......you are trying to run away with an interpretation of John 3:3 and Luke 13:28 which directly connects to the questions I'm asking you.

tctrills:
That's a stupid thing to say.
I only know what has been revealed and John 3.3 and Luke 13.28 did not reveal their address at that time.
Can we stick to the revealed word of God please. Remember, don't add or subtract.
Now can I ask you my questions sir.

😂😂😂.....so you don't actually know where people who are born again go when they die? Ok oo.....what about the story of the rich man and Lazarus and Abraham, was it a real life story or not?

tctrills:
I don't know where the were. There address is not revealed in the bible now can we focus on what has been revealed?
Now that I have answered you, can I ask my questions

Lol....for the fact that you don't know where they were when they died, makes your interpretation of John 3:3 and Luke 13:28 to be false.

tctrills:
That's not the scope of this topic. Where were the saints in Matthew 27:52-53 when they died before Jesus resurrected. That is a very interesting discussion but not the topic for today, let's not get distracted. Now can I ask my questions please.

Oga where were they na....that question relates to the topic because you quoted verses that prompted that question. So please answer

tctrills:
I don't understand your question. The bible never gave a timeline for them to be in heaven. Please how is your question relevant.
Remember, it was only after the resurrection of Christ that the saints rose from their grave.
So Gods timetable isn't the same as your. How does your question relate to the topic please.
You asked for evidence and I have given it to you or do you doubt Jesus Christ?
The Lord never said a man with enter the kingdom of God the moment he dies. God uses his time not yours.
Now can I ask my own questions or is it only you that gets to ask questions?
Matthew 27:52-53
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

So where was Abraham and Moses and the rest of the prophets when they died before Jesus came?

tctrills:
Oga I answered all your questions and you know that. I told you that I agree with your Moses mediator doctrine so how does that not answer your question.
No need for pretence, it's clear that you are not comfortable with.
As for evidence that men of old were Christians, Jesus Christ already provided you with that.
John 3.3 and Luke 13.28
That is the evidence provided by the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Let's see if you believe him or if you will continue to argue against him and his evidence.

If faithful men of God of old were born again and were in heaven with Jesus when they died, please explain Jesus words In John 3:13.

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tctrills:
Oga, we understand why you can't answer my questions. No problem. It was fun talking with you.
For others on the thread, This is why it is good to test your beliefs on a thread like this. You get to learn things even your pastors don't know.
Some of our brothers started a thread but with time, they saw that their doctrine had a lot of unanswered questions.
I encourage everyone to read the bible for himself and not depend on the words of their pastors.
Also, there is nothing wrong with questioning your pastors. They may not even know more than you do.
Peace.

The funny thing Is that you've not answered the most important question which is providing a version that contradicts the ones I showed you. If you had provided it, I would have been willing to continue the discussion. You said four translations of the bible were fake because they did not fit your doctrine. Please also learn to give answers to our questions and stop pretending to agree to disagree. Kindly show us evidence why faithful men of old before christ were Christians.

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EnemyofGod3:
is common sense.

😂😂Since you call it a 'common sense', it should have a source na. Where is the source?