MaxInDHouse:


Because he existed before we exist means he's no ordinary human but in the context of being a prophet both himself and Moses are prophets and Gods not to be worshiped that's why both of them directed worshipers to the only true God who is Jehovah!

Meaning, Jesus and Moses are not , by nature, in the same class of being, right?

MaxInDHouse:

Different religions claiming Christians rendered the two verses differently it's what they're able to produce with their rendition that matters to me personally! Matthew 7:16-18

Whatever meaning your own religion gives it is your church doctrine whether real or not what should matter most is the produce afterwards.

NO! Both of them are God's prophet and it's when they walked on earth that they served as Gods Moses was declared "God" by the Creator {Exodus 7:1} Jesus was also given whatever title he bear by the Creator! Isaiah 9:6 compare to Matthew 28:18
So when God declared that He will send another prophet like Moses we don't think of their godship as anything other than privileges to serve under the most high God who gave them the privilege! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

John.1.14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.



The Word became flesh.......
What became Moses?

MaxInDHouse:


I have told you this times without number that the title GOD was used in the Bible for Moses and others so when God promised to send another prophet like Moses to the Israelites {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} and through Isaiah we read that this promised God will be born in the midst of Israelites {Isaiah 9:6} we know that he is not to be worshiped by God's people just as we don't think of worshiping Moses or other Gods mentioned in the Bible book of Psalms 82:6

That's why we render the Bible book of John 1:1-2 as:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This one was in the beginning with God!

So we are not confused regarding what John wrote in that verse!

That's the issue. That's why we render the Bible book of John 1:1-2

Your rendition gives another meaning to the real meaning. Jesus existed in heaven as the Word. He had an existence before the earthly existence. Was Moses incarnated?

Is there any difference between the godship of Moses and that of Jesus?

MaxInDHouse:


The word we're talking about is
(prosekynēsan)
And it's use in the context of discussion it may be rendered OBEISANCE and WORSHIP.
So if a believer is applying it since he knows the only true God {John 17:3} he won't say that it's worship when it involves someone who isn't the true God rather we will take it as obeisance but trinitarians who believes that Jesus is God always render this word as worship when it involves Jesus as for God's people Jesus is not our God so we render it as OBEISANCE!

That's what we're discussing!

I am a trinitarian.
John 1:1 mentions two gods, right?

IAmHim1:
If God is a Spirit...

How would the members of a street welcome exPresident Obama if he were to pay them a visit.

They would want to display their culture with singing, praising, dancing, foods on display, traditional attires etcetera etcetera

Heck! The local Government chairman would be on standby ready to welcome Ex president Obama

But Obama is just a man. An ordinary man that can miss his steps, hit his head on a rock and die...thats whom all these songs and praise is for

We have all witnessed the arrangements made when E.A Adeboye is about to pay a visit to a community. All preparations are made up to date, down to the microphone and speakers Adeboye will use to address the crowd

But E.A Adeboye is just a man too

a man who you can see and touch
same as Obama...

Now imagine a Mighty spirit who created you and all you will ever know...how would you praise and glorify such a spirit. You want to glorify this mighty spirit the same way you glorified those ordinary mortal men


WOW. thats BOLD of you

You want to gather in a crowd and sing and dance for this spirit. lolzzzz

You want to pray in loud voices for a spirit you dont see but whom sees your heart and inner most thoughts

No. You got it all wrong. But that was then. not now anymore




Your missing Link:

Since man is a physical being, You worship man in ways that man will see and acknowledge


And since God is a spirit being, you worship a spirit in ways that a spirit will see and acknowledge

What are those things that a spirit can see and acknowledge you might ask


The things which a spirit can see and acknowledge are those things which man CANT SEE AND ACKNOWLEDGE: your thoughts and secret actions.

ta-da

if you observed well, i didnt write thoughts, *words* and secret actions
i excluded 'words' because your thoughts reflects in your words. If you werent thinking it, you would never have said it


In closing, its spirit paired with spirit and flesh paired with flesh.

what really made you think your public display of givings and loud kabashing 'die by fire' is gonna be acknowledged by a spirit that doesnt have your human limited ears and human limited eyesight.

***Didnt Elisha open his servant spiritual eyes to see that they were surrounded by heavenly armies compared to the mortal soldiers that surrounded them . What Elisha had been seeing all along wasnt what his servant was seeing. Man and mortal sense organ is limited


If you wanna praise a mortal king, shower him with loud praises and talking drum beats but if you really want to glorify a spirit, go into a secret place where no man sees you and appreciate such a spirit...praise and appreciate that Mighty Spirit where no man sees you... give without announcing your gifts to any man and then and only then would such a spirit acknowledge you

You want to know why

Because man DID NOT see you.
now you know why the loudest prayer is the weakest prayer. Exactly
Because you prayed to the hearing of man. Spirits dont have man ears. but they can read your hearts and true intentions. Count how many men can do such


Strive to Worship God in truth and IN SPIRIT henceforth so you dont waste your precious time singing praises and praying to your pastors


One love People

Your post makes a lot of sense except criticism of Adeboye and RCCG.

Which president will want to visit a place and the stage will not be perfectly set for him? A mission like RCCG will plan a programme where its leader will address a crowd and the stage will not be carefully prepared?
He is representing which God?


Besides, the man of God is always seen carrying tambourine singing to God publicly. In any programme, he kneels down in worship of his God. He publicly shows that he is no match of God nor accept worship from his followers.

FreeStuffsNG:
Hmmm. This is a bold move by Federal Government to quickly advance the project and its compensation process.

May God bless Nigeria for ever! Check my signature for free stuffs!

Tinubu will go down in history as the best president before his time.


Watch it.
Apart from experimental subsidy removal, which president has achieved in infrastructure in less than a year?

Jesus is God.



I will like anyone on this platform to qoute a verse or a reference that shows that Jesus is not God.

MaxInDHouse:
The right word is "OBEISANCE" which means "PAY HOMAGE" not WORSHIP.

The astrologers from the East don't know the baby but Satan led them to him so that they will pay homage to him the same way people back then does to great kings, what Satan intend to do with that is to make Herod the Great feel his reign will soon end since he knew through the scriptures that the Messiah will conquer all the kingdoms in the world {Daniel 2:44} this will trigger intense hatred so as to get the baby killed.
And that's exactly what happened!
All male babies in Bethlehem Ephrata were slaughtered while baby Jesus has been taken away safely.
So those astrologers were Satan's agents but they don't know that Satan is their god!

Again, old friend!

You explanation is logical but not exact.

There is nothing unscriptural for Satan to reveal any truth. Truth is truth and cannot become lies because of the source.

Devil revealed the identity of Christ

Matt.8.29 - And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?



Devil revealed of Paul.

Acts.16.16 - And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:
Acts.16.17 - The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.

Which of the claims of this demonic is not true?


Balaam revealed the identity and prophesied about Israel.

Num.24.16 - He hath said, which heard the words of God, and knew the knowledge of the most High, which saw the vision of the Almighty, falling into a trance, but having his eyes open:
Num.24.17 - I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.
Num.24.18 - And Edom shall be a possession, Seir also shall be a possession for his enemies; and Israel shall do valiantly.
Num.24.19 - Out of Jacob shall come he that shall have dominion, and shall destroy him that remaineth of the city.


Which of the claims of Balaam was wrong?


In the spiritual world are similarities and connectivity. After, the Devil was ousted out of heaven, he still found his way to the meeting of sons of God. How did he know the time of meeting? Who invented him? What was his mission? Why was he given admittance?

The spiritual world is a continuum. Overzealous of men make unrealistic interpretations of the Bible.

Is Jesus the Son of God?
Was Paul a servant of God

At the Mount of 'Temptation' Satan claimed the ownership of the earth. Jesus didn't rebuke him. Why? He was making a statement of fact. Luke 4: 6.

Truth is truth no matter the source !!!

immortalcrown:
The same reason it is difficult to find a man with similar qualities.

It takes a man with those qualities to find a matching woman. Birds of the same feathers go together.

But people try to reap where they did not sow. The post probably came from a man who is not a virgin.

The OP himself cannot boast of half of these qualities.

Nonsense post again.

Fighttillvictory:

we know they do it for political reason.

Okay.

Not like that among Yorubas.

Fighttillvictory:

shu shu shu mr man you think if states were created by ethnicity, that you will have the number you have today

That's not the issue. Those who reject any relationship with biafra did it by themselves. The Yorubas outside Western Region or now Southwest have never denied their identity.


Ikwerre will deny any affiliation to igbo nation. It is not the same for Yoruba people till even Togo or Benin Republic.

Fighttillvictory:
See how he added yoru in other states and no one is talking, but if it was biafra that added igbo in other state, you'll see erectus screeming land grabing.

Are the Yoruba people in the 'other states' denying their relationship with the main Yoruba Region?


Okuns, itshekiri, etc, know their origin and history.

Urheadmaster:
Waiting for the army 🪖 to invade the community where six of their personnel were murdered in Niger state

Why?

Emusan:


You know their god is limitless and not almighty so they place him in the same level as human.

Ordinary dictionary meaning of ALMIGHTY would have helped them but they just don't want to develop themselves.

They are not reasoning with the writers but give colouration of their opinions.

MaxInDHouse:


If the spirit of God is God himself that means Jesus will tell/order his father to send himself (the father) to Jesus' disciples!

If God is Almighty why not?

Jesus was incarnated.
In fact, the picture painted by Jesus of the Spirit is like another reincarnation.
Jesus unlimited!


John.14.17 - Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John.14.18 - I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.



They know the Holy Spirit as what? Coming to them how till the end of the age.

FxMasterz:


You didn't address his concern.

He was saying God has no form and therefore He is invisible.

No one has seen the Father because we are in the flesh. God said to Moses 'You can't see my face because anyone who sees my face would die, but while I pass by, I'll allow you see my back. After I have covered you with my hand while passing by, I'll remove it and you'll see my back." It means God has a face and He has a back. God is not formless. He is only physically invisible. We'll see God when we put on our celestial bodies. We must not think we won't see God in heaven just because we can't see Him on earth. If God created man in His image, how can we say God has no visible form?

The only invisible person in the Trinity is the Holy Ghost. Stephen saw the heavens opened "and the son of man standing at the right hand of God." This tells you that God and the Lord Jesus' thrones in heaven are visible as noted by the two thrones in Revelation.

May God give you understanding.

He was saying God has no form and therefore He is invisible


That's exactly what I first mentioned. Reading with objective. How can a being without shape have a face or back parts. Jesus said no one has seen His shape, not that He is shapeless like Amoeba.

John.5.37 - And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Jesus was telling the people around him that they had not seen or heard His voice. He was not saying no one else. I can't see the OP's argument here.


Later people heard His voice na!
John.12.28 - Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.


What should be a concern is the claim that no this:

Luke.10.22 - All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.


No one knows the Father nor the Son but by revelation.

Paul we all take as authority as Apostle to the gentiles said that that he might know him


Is it any GB or one Mohammed that knows Him?

Omoluabi to the world.



..... setting the pace........


...... Great expectations from Tinubu to register himself as the Father of Greater Nigeria.

Ọmọ Oódua.

FxMasterz:


Exodus 24:10
"There they saw the God of Israel. Under his feet there seemed to be a surface of brilliant blue lapis lazuli, as clear as the sky itself."

Exodus 33:20 -23
""But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.” And the Lord said, “Here is a place by Me, and you shall stand on the rock. So it shall be, while My glory passes by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock, and will cover you with My hand while I pass by. Then I will take away My hand, and you shall see My back; but My face shall not be seen."

Mathew 5:8
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God."

All the scriptures you're quoting are talking about physical man seeing a spiritual God which is impossible. The naked eyes cannot see God, even though Moses was allowed to see God's back part. The spiritual man would see God. When we put off our earthly tabernacle, we shall see God. You can't see God in your flesh. Adam and Eve saw God regularly in Eden until they sinned.

One of the insincerity of men is not being objective in the interpretation of the Bible. None of the scriptures here or elsewhere contradict the claim of Jesus that no one had seen the Father. However, the Father showed Himself to people, making them to 'sleep ' or putting them in a sort of trance. This happened in the case of Abraham and in Genesis 15, during the making of covenant. Abraham knew something happened. He was conscious but not with his naked eyes. The same in Exodus 24. The same at the month of transfiguration. Think of it, of what significance is the transfiguration to the disciples? They couldn't stand the glory of Jesus. If Jesus is an ordinary man or mere Angel, why glory, which glory was He asking the Father to give Him af of right and possession?
Isaiah 6 clearly points to Jesus as explained by John in 12. John saw His glory and spoke about Him. Only in Isiah 6 is Seraph mentioned as seen somebody on the Throne. It mentioned about Jesus. In Revelation, there are no two Thrones guided by Cherubim and Seraphim in the Bible, towards the end. Only Jesus was seen there.

In all Father, Jesus (Man or Word) reason His name is Word not clearly known. Spirit represented severally by dove, lightning, seven headed candle stick, olive tree or leaves, eyes. These are symbols. All are beings. Everyone entity in heaven is a spirit including the Father. Devil is a spirit, angels are spirits, demons are spirits,. If there is a spirit called Holy Spirit, It can only be a being like others. If a being, It can only be The Father or The Son or a separate entity or part of a class. The idea that other spirits are beings but only Holly Spirit is a force is unimaginable.


My submission, trying to defend the identity of The Son or The Holy Spirit, the part of Godhead that interact with humans directly or by influence is not worth it. I am safe with the doctrine of Trinity. Deut. 29:29. Anyway, many people including in Bible people write all manners or think about God. Job and his friends thought they knew God, all of them were wrong. Solomon claimed God said,' He was going to dwell in darkness'; elsewhere, He said to dwell in unapproachable light . In Yoruba land, as many others we eulogize God with falsified words like He has crown on His head; . In any vision, no one ever saw the Father with any crowns. .

Many even believe they think for God. What they think God cannot do, He would not. . They think for God. .Such are Muslims and Jehovah's Witnesses. God takes orders from them .

Bestmanfornow:

Igbo rich men chose to be silent, when Ernest Azudialor was trying to purchase Etisalat for ,$300 million dollars Adenuga doesn't have the money to bid for Etisalat he was disqualified on financial ground if not for nepotism no one can come close to Igbos, Otedola was flexing muscles until he gets to Elumelu he placed him in his position

Hahaha. Story, story.

Umunzeorumba:
mention the top 20 richest men in Nigeria,we want to check something.

As long as you don't make the world standard forget it.

Bestmanfornow:

This is apprenticeship system made Igbos to recover so quick after the civil war today they are controlling commerce and indigenous industries in Nigeria, tell me you haven't used Coscharis product

You guys are funny. With all these the richest igbo man is number what in Nigeria, Africa, world?

Lalami3232:
A billionaire was kpekusnaped by a borehole

Funny

nairalanda1:
Ah, the usual igbos vs Yoruba thread.

Sitting here with the popcorn as I watch grown ass men disgrace themselves.

( Munch munch)

Kind of a disgrace we have child labor, even in the OPs home region.

Anyway, let the show begin.

( You can use the ignore button )

Igbos enslaving themselves since they departed Israel 4000 BC. They want to claim they are not slaves. This is their own report.

Aemmyjah:


Is it the same spirit they share?

If there are three as you say
You said God
You said God's Spirit
You said Jesus

What about Jesus spirit??

What about Jesus spirit ?


Tell us your opinion

Aemmyjah:



Does Jesus have spirit?

Does He not have?

Malroux:
Why is PDP afraid of suspending these group of renegades?

They will cripple the party. It has been clearly shown that no part of Nigeria can singlehandedly enthrone a president.

Atiku made a serious blunder.

Aemmyjah:


Where is it written that Holy Spirit is God?

Then Man's spirit is man na

So, God's spirit is not God?

MaxInDHouse:


Three weeks ago my colleague had an accident and almost got burnt he narrowly escaped and when he came around one of our business associates shouted "My God!" so our friend who was involved in an accident is now his God shey?

Nonsense and Ingredients!

You know that is not he meant.

MICHEALADEX:
Then he gave works to the east so no one will blame him for not developing the east.



Wise man


Omo ogbon

He gave Chief of Army Staff to southern Kaduna Man, immediately he was announced, Fulani killers ran away.

Yoruba, ọmọ ọgbọ̀n.

Aemmyjah:


Ask trinitarians

Okay, I asked myself.


Now show us where it is written that the Holy Spirit is not God

Aemmyjah:


Oga rest
Jesus never claimed to be equal to God
He said the father is greater than he is

Where is it said that the Holy Spirit is God?