openmine:
So middle belt Brendford dismantled and raped a manutd side that was flexing muscle at the preseason friendlies....

How was Man Utd flexing muscles in pre season?

Man Utd & Brentford won 50% of their pre season matches respectively but Man Utd are the only ones flexing muscles? How na? Care to expatiate?

Kloppo:

Really brother? This proves that?

A prudent employee could never criticize his past employer in public unless you want him to end his career. It's obvious you have never worked in a corporate environment before.

openmine:


The purpose of a preseason friendly is to build fitness of players and create rhythm...hence, there isn't much commitment ab initio in order not to risk a possibility of an unnecessary injury! You can make your findings!
This is common knowledge in sports and just because you do not comprehend such or find it laughable doesn't mean its not possible!

Secondly,a friendly is no big deal...thats why no player or manager puts much emphasis on the performance and result per se as that is a platform to test various positions or strategy with different players either fringe or main!
If you ask a sports person they will tell you the likely time to get an injury is when they return to training after they have had a vacation!

I get the fact that you are trying as much as possible though fruitlessly to evade the main purpose of this argument which is placing too much emphasis on preseason friendly as a litmus test to predict the progress of a team!
You are obviously trying to use the injury part to prolong or extend this argument!

Lets stay true to the bone of contention which is you trying to make so much fuss about the manutd preseason friendly...Simple!

We lose in pre season, every one will distance himself and say we lost because we took the match unserious. But we win against Liepzig in pre season we celebrate it, nobody talks about unseriousness and pre season . If scorelines in pre season don't matter why were you celebrating Nunez's hatrick?

I'm not digressing but I'm starting to doubt the integrity of your grasp on football matters because it's laughable to blame a pre season loss to unseriousness caused by preventing injury. I have said this before, there is no safeguard against injury in football. It is an unavoidable risk because you cannot control it.
For instance, let me make it clearer, can you avoid the risk of getting sick? No! Even doctors fall sick! It is an unavoidable risk in life! So is injury an unavoidable risk in football. The only way you can avoid it is to retire from football. because even if you are a bench warmer you can still cop injury in training.
Soon you will tell us that we didn't train for the match because we were avoiding injury in training. Diaz will just be running goalwards with the ball, Maguire will hit him with a flying tackle from nowhere! Gbam! Too weeks injury How do you avoid that?

I'm not using preseason as a litmus test, until you understand why we lost against Man Utd, you won't understand the angle I'm coming from.

openmine:

But that is the very essence of a preseason friendly!
There is a sort of sluggishness during friendlies because no one wants to get any needless injury like Jota!
No sensible player would want to make a 100% commitment in an insignificant game that is only meant to build their fitness level!


I have answered this!
You dont need anger in a preseason friendly...Infact expect upcoming preseason friendly heavy losses in the future!
Much ado about nothing!


Never forced you!
Just trying to point out your obvious prevarications!

Saying that we didn't take the match serious because of fear injuries is laughable. You dey surprise me. Injuries in football is an inherent risk that can not be avoided. Whether you like it or not, you cannot put a safeguard against getting injured because it's a contact sport and you cannot control your opponent's approach to the game.

If you are going to play pre season in order to boost your fitness level then you should be ready to face the risk involved. You do that at the expense of getting injured.

The only best bet against getting injured is not playing at all, even at that you can still get injured by sitting on the bench. Plus you are even more likely to get injured while playing unseriously than taking the match serious.

If not getting injured is that important, let's scrap pre season matches bros

See how happy Mane is ATM.

132 KVA wey no fit power half of a medium scale manufacturing company.
Anyways, he try sha

openmine:


No sir...nah U no wan accept wetin you yarn with your full chest!
Please forget this mane talk abeg...we have trashed this previously...its getting stale!



Its still a preseason game nonetheless whether we choose to celebrate it or not!
I was quite particular about the manutd game because you made it sound as if it was a major competition that LFC had to win....the only reason why you went silent was when it was obvious that you were just the only one here getting agitated over the loss...even a gunner fan here was shocked that you could make such a fuss about a preseason friendly...much ado about nothing!


I have...its up there thats if you choose to see it!
Bottom-line is that you should never use a preseason friendly(no matter the club involved) to access the progress or success of a team!

My concern was that we took the match unserious and allowed them to beat us. If we had taken the match serious they for no see draw. My ANGER is that we approached the match with unseriousness and got walloped which should not be. I expected some seriousness from us that day. So they didn't beat us because they were magnificent or better than us. Spot the difference.

If you don't point a gun to me at close range I won't accept that you have made anything known to me.

openmine:

You were hellbent on making an issue out of it despite superior arguments from others that it was only a friendly/preseason!
U said nothing about those two friendlies because we had already made it known to you that the friendlies were insignificant and only an avenue to build on the fitness of the players!
I only wanted to point out to you that no matter how many preseason friendlies won,the major competitions will be a litmus test!
Know this and know peace!

You dey hype yourself too much That's also how you made it known to me that Mane was very much appreciated at Liverpool and he was paid well above 100k with no concrete evidence. You are trying.

I don't take pre season matches serious, that's why I was apathetic when everyone in this thread was celebrating after we beat Liepzig 5 - 0. Even after the 2-2 draw against Fulham no one heard my voice because it's still too early to judge the performance of the team.

So you are yet to make anything known to me.

openmine:

Thats not the issue...U were insistent on the pre season as a litmus test for any team that wants to win a trophy next season!
We warned you to pay less attention to our heavy loss to manutd but you kept insisting on it!
On sunday,Ten haag was served a hot and spicy breakfast by Brighton to enjoy!
He will now discover that its not by winning in the pre season that will determine manutd's performance at a major competition!

Please kindly revisit that argument. I said it's unacceptable to be losing against our biggest rivals in that manner. In pre season we lost against Salzburg and Strasbourg, why didn't I complain about those losses and chose to tackle Man Utd defeat?

openmine:
@mikuz
How far nah?
U don see say preseason and EPL no be the same?
Manutd just chop hot breakfast just now
No be to score plenty goals for preseason only to lose to Brighton!

. . . But but but we lost 0 - 3 to Strasbourg we no hear my voice bro

AnfieldFan:


Off the top of my head, Robbo caused our goal vs Madrid, Robbo has slept for more goals compared to Arnold, but I doubt you knew that..
Would you mind posting the defensive stats of both Walker and Trent...I want to see how far above Trent Walker is defensively..

Good talk

Sadio Mane!!

We have no problem in defence, our defence is rock solid. Saying our defence needs reinforcement is looking for wahala were there is none.

Really?

raumdeuter:


So Hazard cancels Ronaldo

Suarez

kendrick93:

Injured..
Not played any pre season game

My bad, son of man don't do pre season

See Trent they say we should deploy to DM. He's about to continue from where he stopped last season.

kendrick93:

Starting XI: Adrian, Trent, Matip, Virgil, Robertson, Fabinho, Thiago, Henderson, Salah, Firmino, Diaz


Subs: Davies, Gomez, Konate, Milner, Keita, Jones, Elliott, Nunez, Carvalho

What's up with D. Jota?

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Haaland vs Nunez?


who wins today?

Who is this one again

Who dey post line ups

Barcelona listening to Chelsea's next transfer plan.

Chelsea moved for Villarreal CB Paul Torres.

Barcelona:

Minemrys:

How come those lapses haven't prevented us shipping goals while he plays RB? Hope you know DM is different from CB and there are many ways to play the role that isn't strictly about defending. He can play it differently like the Kante kind or as a deep lying playmaker.
Playing as a CDM or DM is all about reading the game and having an eye for passes that transition defense to attack. It's just one full preseason that he will be given to test himself in the role. And the fact he has played as a Midfielder or is a natural Midfielder gives him an edge. His lapses at RB are because he of the role he plays at RB where a lot of times he overlaps. As a DM, he doesn't need to overlap that often.

Because he has more defensively gifted people to cover for him whenever he overlaps. If you play him as a DM he would be useless both defensively and offensively. They will overrun our midfield. Why are you so bent on him playing there? Just like asking Salah to play striker position when he ll score more goals for the team operating from the right.

Trent have been phenomenal playing RB for us these past years. See the way he's breaking assist records every season. He's a great asset offensively but defensively he's just average.

Minemrys:

How are you guys all sure that Trent can't play DM? Robertson can also play DM if I am to believe but not sure.
The reason why I am saying this is, I smell midfield injuries this season, and it's about time Klopp starts looking at Midfield options.
New boy Ramsay? Baba, no just reason am. Milner can't play there against some teams. Hope you watched the Man City game at Anfield where he was almost red carded? Our only serious RB cover is Joe Gomez.
And he plays differently to Trent. Ramsay on the other hand is not premier league material yet. Unless we want to keep Sepp van den Berg.

Trent has to be the worst person in Liverpool to ever play DM. His defensive lapses will ensure that we ship in 5 goals every match. It's like you are under estimating the sensitivity of that position. Milner will do a better job than Trent will ever do in that position. Why are so bent on Trent playing there? You don't want us to compete this season or what? Please leave it for the veterans. Disembark from this your postulations bros

Jodera:
I mean concern. So you believe Liverpool will obliterate Man u wen it matters most, why then are you concerned about the 4-0 preseason loss?

I want us to keep 100% record over them. No dents. Even if we play the match in Saturn make we flog them,

Jodera:
E mean say you don answer your question be that na

Which question bros

Jodera:
Lol... Why don't you use Liverpool Vs Man u?

E no go enter, Liverpool will obliterate Man U bros.

Jodera:
Lol... I never knew football is mathematics

It's not, this match will serve as a pointer. E go help us make permutations to hit 3/3

Jodera:
Lol... If you say so boss

They will meet in the league again, let's see how Arsenal will beat Chelsea by 4 - 0.

Jodera:
It's based on the performance not based on the result.

It doesn't matter whether they lost the 4-0 to arsenal or Nottingham forest, the issue is that they played poorly.

Lol, Please don't try to deviate from our initial discussion. You were angry "solely" because you guys lost 4-0 to a [b]rival, man u [/b]which you said it was unacceptable. You never minded whether the performance was good or not. While we in turn told you not to look at the scoreline that no-one takes a preseason result serious.. not even the players nor coach

I hope we should understand our initial premise and not twist it into saying the I meant the performance is useless

Chelsea's poor performance was due to unseriousness. Chelsea don't take pre season matches serious.
On a very good day, this Arsenal team cannot beat Chelsea by 4 unreplied goals if Chelsea decide to take the match serious. There is no way Chelsea will lose by that margin if they were serious. So since its pre season and it's won't affect the league season proper they decided to not take the match serious, this unseriousness led to poor performance which in turn led to losing massively. There is no way Chelsea who were not serious would beat Arsenal who took the match serious.

The best result unserious Chelsea can get against a serious Arsenal is a draw.

Nobody should criticize Chelsea's performance because they were not serious with the match.

Minemrys:

Am saying some tweaks can be made to see how improvements can be made to surprise opponents.
Under Guardiola, Trent will be playing 2 positions now.

Tweaks should be made to improve the team's overall performance and not to diminish it. Trent is the best player in Liverpool for RB position while Fab and Hendo are the best people for DM. There is no need for us to tweak anything as far as I'm concerned bros.

Jodera:
Maybe you can rephrase your question better, I didn't really get what you asked here

Why should Chelsea fans be complaining about a pre season match their players did not take seriously