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Kobojunkie:
First you propose that out of all the Jesus characters mentioned in the book, the one called Jesus Son of Shaphat, leader of a robbery gang, who Josephus noted operated during the time of Vespasian — 69 -79 AD — had to be the same Jesus Christ who was born and recorded to have died in the earlier parts of that century, then you assert that rather than that the same Josephus whose content you quote from must have created the Jesus Christ character that lived during the early parts of the century. Your own kind reasoning... dey levels wey person no suppose go at all.

Now ask youself this: Why will Josephus a priest when he led the Jewish resistance in AD 66, put up an armed resistance against the Roman empire in AD 66 if he truly believed in the fictional superman Jesus christ he wrote about later in AD 95?

FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS was not even born when this fictional event he wrote about happened.
Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, 9 those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day;"

Kobojunkie:
See this mumuni Kobojunkie abeg! So because a bunch of Jews took to using terrorist tactics in attacking those occupying their land, after over 500 years of back-to-back occupations, you take it to mean it was Jesus Christ who organized them and sent them to attack the Romans? Worse, you also suggest it had to do with Islam which has absolutely no connection to the land of Judae which the Jews fought for nor to Jesus Christ who came over 600 years before it.

You are the mumuni if not you will know that this was the real Jesus in the first century
BY FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS:
But before he could speak to them, the most warlike of the
insurgents made a sally upon them with their arms ; their leader
was one whose name was Jesus, the son of Shaphat, the captain
of a band of robbers."
"Jesus and his men led off to the city, and rejoiced as if
they had taken them in battle and not by surprise.
Now the elders of the people, and such as seemed
of principal authority among them, fearing what would be
the issue of the matter, fled to the camp of the Romans :
and taking their king mth them, fell down before Vespa-
sian as suppliants, and besought him not to despise
them, nor to impute the madness of a few to the whole
city, but to spare a people that had ever been friendly to
the Romans, and to bring the authors of this revolt to
punishment, who had hitherto so watched them, that
though they had long been anxious to give the Romans the
security of their right hands, they had not yet found an
opportunity to do so." - The Jewish war 1st Century
https://ia800309.us.archive.org/17/items/cu31924074297205/cu31924074297205.pdf

And not this invented one you are worshipping today.
But this superman Jesus christ is an invention as FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS was not even born when this event he wrote about happened.
Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, 9 those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day;"

MaxInDHouse:
There you go again reading without grasping!

@ Matthew chapter 10 and Luke chapter 22

In those verses you quoted Jesus was talking to his own disciples not preaching to strangers and the sword he told them to buy isn't physical swords otherwise it would have been on record that Jesus disciples also killed people!

You were not there with the invented Jesus christ to know what he meant. So how can you grasp who the real Jesus was when Isreal was a war zone at that time with these kinds of men walking about. Even one of his diciples was a zealot.

There are historical records that extremists among the Jewish Zealots turned to terrorism and assassination and became known as Sicarii (Greek sikarioi, “dagger men”). They frequented public places with hidden daggers to strike down persons friendly to the Roman empire occupying their land Israel 2000 years ago] https://www.britannica.com/topic/Zealot

Kobojunkie:
I am not even sure you know what you are arguing. Regardless of what you wish to believe happened, the fact is Jesus Christ made clear that the tribulation he spoke of is that which took place in that same generation which his disciples were a part of. And Jesus Christ said this in response to the questions asked Him earlier in that same chapter by His disciples.
All your storyland tales about what happened or did not happen in 70AD mean absolutely nothing in this case.

You just like to argue when you have no reason to argue. I have made it very clear to you what Jesus christ said was the tribulation in Judea, so:

What did Jesus christ say will happen immediately after the tribulation of that time?

So which tribulation was Jesus talking about in Judea. Are you even aware that the Roman empire captured Judea then in AD 70 captured Jerusalem and the Temple, after they captured the Temple what do you think the Roman empire did in the Temple?

Here is it again:

Jesus christ said in verse 29: Immediately after the tribulation of those days.

When was this tribulation

In these verses
15 So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’a described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand),
16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. 18 And let no one in the field return for his cloak.

Where is Judea today? The Roman empire captured Judea then Jerusalem and the Temple in Jerusalem both in Judea in AD 70, then the Roman general that led the battle took a prostitute into the Holies of Holies and slept with her after this the Jews that survived were sold and taken away to Roman. The Roman empire then renamed Judea to Palestine. This was the tribulation Jesus christ talked about and he said immediately after the tribulation of those days he will return in verses 30 to 31 so it's either he came back in AD 70 and he lied.

30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

https://www.mesora.org/titus.html
Titus and Christianity
Rabbi Moshe Ben-Chaim
A close friend shared a gemara with me, Gittin 56b:
Vespasian went back to Rome and sent Titus in his place. The Gemara cites a verse that was expounded as referring to Titus: “And he shall say, ‘Where is their God, their rock in whom they trusted?’” (Deut. 32:37). This is the wicked Titus, who insulted and blasphemed God on High. What did Titus do when he conquered the Temple? He took a prostitute with his hand, and entered the Holy of Holies with her. He then spread out a Torah scroll underneath him and committed a sin, i.e., engaged in sexual intercourse, on it. Afterward he took a sword and cut into the curtain separating between the Sanctuary and the Holy of Holies. And a miracle was performed and blood spurted forth. Seeing the blood, he mistakenly thought that he had killed God. Titus saw blood issuing forth from the curtain in God’s meeting place, the Temple, and he took it as a sign that he had succeeded in killing God Himself. As it is stated: “Your enemies roar in the midst of Your meeting place; they have set up their own signs for signs” (Psalms 74:4).






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y741QbT1YEo&t=851s

Kobojunkie:
I am not even sure you know what you are arguing. Regardless of what you wish to believe happened, the fact is Jesus Christ made clear that the tribulation he spoke of is that which took place in that same generation which his disciples were a part of. And Jesus Christ said this in response to the questions asked Him earlier in that same chapter by His disciples.
All your storyland tales about what happened or did not happen in 70AD mean absolutely nothing in this case.

You just like to argue when you have no reason to argue. I have made it very clear to you what Jesus christ said was the tribulation in Judea, so:

What did Jesus christ say will happen immediately after the tribulation of that time?

So which tribulation was Jesus talking about in Judea. Are you even aware that the Roman empire captured Judea then in AD 70 captured Jerusalem and the Temple, after they captured the Temple what do you think the Roman empire did in the Temple?

Here is it again:

Jesus christ said in verse 29: Immediately after the tribulation of those days.

When was this tribulation

In these verses
15 So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’a described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand),
16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. 18 And let no one in the field return for his cloak.

Where is Judea today? The Roman empire captured Judea then Jerusalem and the Temple in Jerusalem both in Judea in AD 70, then the Roman general that led the battle took a prostitute into the Holies of Holies and slept with her after this the Jews that survived were sold and taken away to Roman. The Roman empire then renamed Judea to Palestine. This was the tribulation Jesus christ talked about and he said immediately after the tribulation of those days he will return in verses 30 to 31 so it's either he came back in AD 70 and he lied.

30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

https://www.mesora.org/titus.html
Titus and Christianity
Rabbi Moshe Ben-Chaim
A close friend shared a gemara with me, Gittin 56b:
Vespasian went back to Rome and sent Titus in his place. The Gemara cites a verse that was expounded as referring to Titus: “And he shall say, ‘Where is their God, their rock in whom they trusted?’” (Deut. 32:37). This is the wicked Titus, who insulted and blasphemed God on High. What did Titus do when he conquered the Temple? He took a prostitute with his hand, and entered the Holy of Holies with her. He then spread out a Torah scroll underneath him and committed a sin, i.e., engaged in sexual intercourse, on it. Afterward he took a sword and cut into the curtain separating between the Sanctuary and the Holy of Holies. And a miracle was performed and blood spurted forth. Seeing the blood, he mistakenly thought that he had killed God. Titus saw blood issuing forth from the curtain in God’s meeting place, the Temple, and he took it as a sign that he had succeeded in killing God Himself. As it is stated: “Your enemies roar in the midst of Your meeting place; they have set up their own signs for signs” (Psalms 74:4).





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y741QbT1YEo&t=851s

Kobojunkie:
I am not even sure you know what you are arguing. Regardless of what you wish to believe happened, the fact is Jesus Christ made clear that the tribulation he spoke of is that which took place in that same generation which his disciples were a part of. And Jesus Christ said this in response to the questions asked Him earlier in that same chapter by His disciples.
All your storyland tales about what happened or did not happen in 70AD mean absolutely nothing in this case.

What did Jesus christ say will happen immediately after the tribulation of that time?

So which tribulation was Jesus talking about in Judea. Are you even aware that the Roman empire captured Judea then in AD 70 captured Jerusalem and the Temple, after they captured the Temple what do you think the Roman empire did in the Temple?

Here is it again:

Jesus christ said in verse 29: Immediately after the tribulation of those days.

When was this tribulation

In these verses
15 So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’a described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand),
16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. 18 And let no one in the field return for his cloak.

Where is Judea today? The Roman empire captured Judea then Jerusalem and the Temple in Jerusalem both in Judea in AD 70, then the Roman general that led the battle took a prostitute into the Holies of Holies and slept with her after this the Jews that survived were sold and taken away to Roman. The Roman empire then renamed Judea to Palestine. This was the tribulation Jesus christ talked about and he said immediately after the tribulation of those days he will return in verses 30 to 31 so it's either he came back in AD 70 and he lied.

30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

https://www.mesora.org/titus.html
Titus and Christianity
Rabbi Moshe Ben-Chaim
A close friend shared a gemara with me, Gittin 56b:
Vespasian went back to Rome and sent Titus in his place. The Gemara cites a verse that was expounded as referring to Titus: “And he shall say, ‘Where is their God, their rock in whom they trusted?’” (Deut. 32:37). This is the wicked Titus, who insulted and blasphemed God on High. What did Titus do when he conquered the Temple? He took a prostitute with his hand, and entered the Holy of Holies with her. He then spread out a Torah scroll underneath him and committed a sin, i.e., engaged in sexual intercourse, on it. Afterward he took a sword and cut into the curtain separating between the Sanctuary and the Holy of Holies. And a miracle was performed and blood spurted forth. Seeing the blood, he mistakenly thought that he had killed God. Titus saw blood issuing forth from the curtain in God’s meeting place, the Temple, and he took it as a sign that he had succeeded in killing God Himself. As it is stated: “Your enemies roar in the midst of Your meeting place; they have set up their own signs for signs” (Psalms 74:4).




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y741QbT1YEo&t=851s

MaxInDHouse:
Am i the owner of the teaching?

Why is MaxInDHouse you so dumb?

Jesus is the OWNER of the teaching so what he said about tearing families apart has affected me too so how do you expect me to say what the owner said when the command he gave me was to make peace with everyone?

You are the one so dumb, if not you should able to knock on people's door and tell the what your master Jesus you so believe in has told you. Next time you knock on people's doors tell them the truth as you master Jesus has told you that [you did not come to bring peace, but a sword].
Also [tell them to sell their cloak and buy a sword] like your master Jesus has told you.

Kobojunkie:
Again, The answer you seek is right there in front of your eyes. But you reject it because you want it to say something different from what is written.
Jesus Christ told you that all He said in response to the question ...
... which His followers asked Him at the beginning of that same chapter, would happen while some of them still lived — in that same generation.

2. You are just rambling! Which prostitute into which holy of holies? Are you high?

You are the one that is seriously high on something that's why you cannot believe what you have read that Jesus said. So which tribulation was Jesus talking about in Judea. Are you even aware that the Roman empire captured Judea then in AD 70 captured Jerusalem and the Temple, after they captured the Temple what do you think the Roman empire did in the Temple?

Here is it again:

Jesus christ said in verse 29: Immediately after the tribulation of those days.

When was this tribulation

In these verses
15 So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’a described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand),
16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. 18 And let no one in the field return for his cloak.

Where is Judea today? The Roman empire captured Judea then Jerusalem and the Temple in Jerusalem both in Judea in AD 70, then the Roman general that led the battle took a prostitute into the Holies of Holies and slept with her after this the Jews that survived were sold and taken away to Roman. The Roman empire then renamed Judea to Palestine. This was the tribulation Jesus christ talked about and he said immediately after the tribulation of those days he will return in verses 30 to 31 so it's either he came back in AD 70 and he lied.

30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

https://www.mesora.org/titus.html
Titus and Christianity
Rabbi Moshe Ben-Chaim
A close friend shared a gemara with me, Gittin 56b:
Vespasian went back to Rome and sent Titus in his place. The Gemara cites a verse that was expounded as referring to Titus: “And he shall say, ‘Where is their God, their rock in whom they trusted?’” (Deut. 32:37). This is the wicked Titus, who insulted and blasphemed God on High. What did Titus do when he conquered the Temple? He took a prostitute with his hand, and entered the Holy of Holies with her. He then spread out a Torah scroll underneath him and committed a sin, i.e., engaged in sexual intercourse, on it. Afterward he took a sword and cut into the curtain separating between the Sanctuary and the Holy of Holies. And a miracle was performed and blood spurted forth. Seeing the blood, he mistakenly thought that he had killed God. Titus saw blood issuing forth from the curtain in God’s meeting place, the Temple, and he took it as a sign that he had succeeded in killing God Himself. As it is stated: “Your enemies roar in the midst of Your meeting place; they have set up their own signs for signs” (Psalms 74:4).



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y741QbT1YEo&t=851s

Kobojunkie:
Again, The answer you seek is right there in front of your eyes. But you reject it because you want it to say something different from what is written.
Jesus Christ told you that all He said regarding the questions....
... which His followers asked Him at the beginning of that same chapter.

2. You are just rambling! Which prostitute into which holy of holies? Are you high?

You are the one that is high that's you cannot believe what you have read. Here is it again:

Jesus christ said in verse 29: Immediately after the tribulation of those days.

When was this tribulation

In these verses
15 So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’a described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand),
16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. 18 And let no one in the field return for his cloak.

Where is Judea today? The Roman empire captured Judea then Jerusalem and the Temple in Jerusalem both in Judea in AD 70, then the Roman general that led the battle took a prostitute into the Holies of Holies and slept with her after this the Jews that survived were sold and taken away to Roman. The Roman empire then renamed Judea to Palestine. This was the tribulation Jesus christ talked about and he said immediately after the tribulation of those days he will return in verses 30 to 31 so it's either he came back in AD 70 and he lied.

30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

https://www.mesora.org/titus.html
Titus and Christianity
Rabbi Moshe Ben-Chaim
A close friend shared a gemara with me, Gittin 56b:
Vespasian went back to Rome and sent Titus in his place. The Gemara cites a verse that was expounded as referring to Titus: “And he shall say, ‘Where is their God, their rock in whom they trusted?’” (Deut. 32:37). This is the wicked Titus, who insulted and blasphemed God on High. What did Titus do when he conquered the Temple? He took a prostitute with his hand, and entered the Holy of Holies with her. He then spread out a Torah scroll underneath him and committed a sin, i.e., engaged in sexual intercourse, on it. Afterward he took a sword and cut into the curtain separating between the Sanctuary and the Holy of Holies. And a miracle was performed and blood spurted forth. Seeing the blood, he mistakenly thought that he had killed God. Titus saw blood issuing forth from the curtain in God’s meeting place, the Temple, and he took it as a sign that he had succeeded in killing God Himself. As it is stated: “Your enemies roar in the midst of Your meeting place; they have set up their own signs for signs” (Psalms 74:4).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y741QbT1YEo&t=851s

MaxInDHouse:
If you're not a fool can any court of law convict a person who uttered what Jesus said without using weapons against anyone?

You are the one that is a BIG FOOL, if not, then when you go knocking on people's doors why don't you tell them [youI did not come to bring peace, but a sword]

Kobojunkie:
The answer you seek is right there in front of your eyes. But you reject it because you want it to say something different from what is written.
Jesus Christ told you that all He said regarding the questions....
... which His followers asked Him at the beginning of that same chapter.

2. You are just rambling! Which prostitute into which holy of holies? Are you high? The Nation of Judea was destroyed 1900 years ago as prophesied by Jesus Christ and the prophets.

You are the one that is high that's you cannot believe what you have read. Here is it again:

Jesus christ said in verse 29: Immediately after the tribulation of those days.

When was this tribulation

In these verses
15 So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’a described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand),
16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. 18 And let no one in the field return for his cloak.

Where is Judea today? The Roman empire captured Judea then Jerusalem and the Temple in Jerusalem both in Judea in AD 70, then the Roman general that led the battle took a prostitute into the Holies of Holies and slept with her after this the Jews that survived were sold and taken away to Roman. The Roman empire then renamed Judea to Palestine. This was the tribulation Jesus christ talked about and he said immediately after the tribulation of those days he will return in verses 30 to 31 so it's either he came back in AD 70 and he lied.

30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y741QbT1YEo&t=851s

Jesus christ said in verse 29: Immediately after the tribulation of those days.

When was this tribulation

In these verses
15 So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’a described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand),
16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. 18 And let no one in the field return for his cloak.

Where is Judea today? The Roman empire captured Judea then Jerusalem and the Temple in Jerusalem both in Judea in AD 70, then the Roman general that led the battle took a prostitute into the Holies of Holies and slept with her after this the Jews that survived were sold and taken away to Roman. The Roman empire then renamed Judea to Palestine. This was the tribulation Jesus christ talked about and he said immediately after the tribulation of those days he will return in verses 30 to 31 so it's either he came back in AD 70 and he lied.

30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Kobojunkie:
Try to dey read with eyes and mind open abeg! The passage clearly tells you that what will be revealed at the time is instead the sign of the Son of Man coming, and not when the actual Son of Man himself comes(returns).

The actual return of Jesus Christ is written off in the later verses, and this is in response to the second question that the disciples asked Jesus Christ at the beginning of the same chapter of Matthew 24.
The people who lived during the end of days knew of what was coming at them. The prophets announced it to them hundreds of years before. They were even told from the time of Daniel that it would come about 500 years from the time the message goes out to rebuild Jerusalem. Jesus Christ spoke of it coming in that generation. Even the Spirit of God caused young men and women in the land to prophesy, see visions, and have dreams of the end as it approached. So they all knew well what was coming.

However, no man knows when Jesus Christ is to return. Not even the angels know it.

You are the one that should try to dey read with eyes and mind open abeg!

Jesus christ said in verse 29: Immediately after the tribulation of those days.

When was this tribulation

In these verses
15 So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’a described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand),
16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. 18 And let no one in the field return for his cloak.

Where is Judea today? The Roman empire captured Judea then Jerusalem and the Temple in Jerusalem both in Judea in AD 70, then the Roman general that led the battle took a prostitute into the Holies of Holies and slept with her after this the Jews that survived were sold and taken away to Roman. The Roman empire then renamed Judea to Palestine. This was the tribulation Jesus christ talked about and he said immediately after the tribulation of those days he will return in verses 30 to 31 so it's either he came back in AD 70 and he lied.

30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

These events took place in AD 70 when the Roman empire destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple in Jerusalem in AD 70 so it's either Jusus christ came back in AD 70 or he lied.

Temple Destruction and Other Signs
1 As Jesus left the temple and was walking away, His disciples came up to Him to point out its buildings.
2 “Do you see all these things?” He replied. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”
3 While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”
The Abomination of Desolation
15 So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’a described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. 18 And let no one in the field return for his cloak.19 How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath. 21For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again.
22 If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.
The Return of the Son of Man
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days:
‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y741QbT1YEo&t=851s

Kobojunkie:
Why lie? Jesus Christ never said immediately after that. Instead, His words were instead that the next event of significance after that would be His return which no man knows the time of.

You are the lier. If not you will read these in Matthew 24 and for your information these events took place in AD 70 so it's either Jusus christ came back in AD 70 or he lied.

Temple Destruction and Other Signs
1 As Jesus left the temple and was walking away, His disciples came up to Him to point out its buildings.
2 “Do you see all these things?” He replied. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”
3 While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”
The Abomination of Desolation
15 So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’a described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. 18 And let no one in the field return for his cloak.19 How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath. 21For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again.
22 If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.
The Return of the Son of Man
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days:
‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y741QbT1YEo&t=851s

Alchemy originated in Egypt, which was exported to Europe and China long before the advent of Islam around AD 600. Great scientific discoveries in sciences and medicine today came from Alchemy. Gun-powder which chased Islam out of Spain was discovered from Alchemy.

Mali has got the oldest university in the world which was the centre of learning in sub-Sahara Africa before Islam. If Mohammed had just kept his Islam to his hometown Afican would have been the superpower of the world today. 

Africa must be free!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz6vk1xvMIM

The Roman empire destroyed Jerusalem and the second Jewish Temple in Jerusalem in AD 70 and Jesus christ said he will come back immediately after this event but for 2000 years now he has not come back, maybe he ended up in the wrong planet as he does not have a SatNav as there billions of galaxies for him to navigate through.

Matthew 24
New King James Version
16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
22 "but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened."
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y741QbT1YEo&t=851s

AntiChristian:
Do you mean Muhammad brought all the wars in the old testament?

Was Muhammad involved when Hitler killed Jews?

That American shooter that killed several people was he inspired by Muhammad?

Think na!

Did the Old Testament take the wars outside of Isreal. The wars in the Old Testament were kept within Isreal and was not taking to Europe, Africa and Asia. But can you say the same of your prophet.

But Muslims say it's fake that Hitler killed Jews

Think na.

AntiChristian:
Yes, he fought Jews, Christians, idolators as they fought him.

Jesus had no battalion unlike Moses and Joshua!
And Jesus was definitely not the same yesterday today and forever!

So why did he not just keep his war in his town why bring it to Africa which led to Africa being behind Europe in science and technology when Egypt and Mali had advanced technology as of that time but are now lacking behind as your prophet did not keep his war to his own town but brought it to Africa.

AntiChristian:
Okay we dey await am o

But your prophet instead used the real sword. Jesus idioms meant peace but your prophet's idioms meant war.

AntiChristian:
You mean The Ethiopians Wil be slaughtered by setting unbelievers up with the believers just like the last election wey Muslim-Muslim were being fought by most Christians?

Na sword be that?

Anyways, it's okay o!

See another sword below:
I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns[diadems].

He has a name written on him that no one but he himself knows. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter." He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
(Revelation 19:11-16 NIV)

MindOnMatters00:
God have mercy on me for replying you cos I thought you had something reasonable to say.
I blame myself. Pls don't quote me anymore. Bye.

Your ignorance will not allow you to know the second coming is a SCAM.

The True God of the Old Testament yes, that handed these commandments to Moses: Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
God Almighty that appeared to Moses on Mount Sinai is the only True God.

But not the Christ of the New Testament that went against these commandments:
1. Took Mary another man's wife and got her pregnant, when there were other single virgin ladies around but no decided to take and bang Joseph's wife.
2. Decided to sacrifice a man on the cross, as idol worship
3. The invented christ went into a farm to eat agbado he did not plant
4. The invented christ said he was coming back soon but it's now 2000 years he has not come back, but came back to help a Roman emperor to fight and win his civil war in AD 300
5. The invented christ said do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.

This was how God made it and it was good in the begining. But today it's wise to use double condoms till both couples have been tested and are cleared.

MindOnMatters00:
Since your sense of reasoning is short, I want to ask you.

Show me where the Son of Man appeared in Heaven and came down on the clouds in that AD 70?

Ignorance is a Disease..

Meaning your ignorance and short sense of reasoning has made them to scam you with the invented Jesus christ and his invented second coming.

MindOnMatters00:
And where the hell did you hear that? Show the proof or call where it is located in the bible.

Here it is for you and this event took place in AD 70 when the Roman empire destroyed Jerusalem and the second Jewish Temple in Jerusalem.

Matthew 24
New King James Version
16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
22 "but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened."
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y741QbT1YEo&t=851s

AntiChristian:
See another sword below:
I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns[diadems].

He has a name written on him that no one but he himself knows. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter." He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
(Revelation 19:11-16 NIV)

According to MaxInDHouse they are just idioms being use so just relax and let MaxInDHouse teach you more of these idioms used here and there.

Westerhoffe:
If that was the End Time, why are we still here thousands of years after?

Many need to read the Scriptures.

Meaning you've been SCAMMED

Jesus said the destruction of the second Jewish Temple in Jerusalem in AD 70 was the end-time. And immediately after this event they will see him coming down from the clouds.

AntiChristian:
Mr Man, you don't have the holy spirit!
Let me interpret it for you!

In Zephaniah 2:12, “You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword,” says the LORD.

So in the above, The LORD aka Yahweh has sword!

But Jesus doesn't have any o! He's the prince of peace but he's one with the father who has sword!

You got Zephaniah all wrong because according to MaxInDHouse, Zephaniah spoke using an idiom. And according to LordIsaac, Zephaniah was referring to bringing a message that would set unbelievers at variance with believers in Ethiopia.

MaxInDHouse:
I hope you can read this, it's common sense if you're not old enough to grasp words spoken in idioms!

So you mean "I did not come to bring peace, but a sword" is an idiomatic expression Jesus was using. It's common sense if you are not old enough to know that Jesus was not using idioms.

LordIsaac:
He is referring to bringing a message that would set unbelievers at variance with believers.

So you mean everything Jesus said means something else and he has given you the explanation to all of them.

MaxInDHouse:
If someone said he has not brought peace but sword but he never used a sword neither support the use of swords among his friends then you need to use your common sense!

But you have not used your common sense to explain what he meant

MaxInDHouse:
Quote where he used it against someone!

You should help explain what he was saying.