Let us start with your question below first. I did say before that the Roman Empire took the original Jewish scolls away from the Temple in Jerusalem in AD 70. So the one written by Josephus is not the original that was taken away to Rome. Now a book has been written, below are some of the excerpts.
The question you should ask yourself now is why has it taken 40 years to publish the first 100 texts out of 500 texts found in cave 4.
"Is the Vatican Suppressing the Dead Sea Scrolls?" A book that will soon be available in the United States was recently published in England under the title The Dead Sea Scroll Deception by Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh (Jonathan Cape, 1991).1
The book’s thesis is that the Vatican is suppressing the Dead Sea Scrolls because they will undermine vital Christian doctrine.
The authors’ first bit of evidence is the unconscionable publication delays: Of over 500 texts found in Qumran Cave 4 beginning in 1952, only approximately 100 have been published after nearly 40 years.
SIRTee15: If Josephus wrote the old testament, then who wrote the dead sea Scrolls scriptures which consists of the torah, book of Isaiah, Samuel, judges, Ezekiel, psalm. When were the dead sea scrolls scripture written? b4 josephus or after?
It is your write ups that are mere conjectures, assumptions, and invented claims to back up your invented jesus christ. Check the link here of Josephus's works which includes the Roman empire's version of the Old and the invented New Testament https://www.pdfbooksworld.com/bibi/pre.html?book=315.epub You have no reference to your invented apostolic fathers that you claimed met and wrote down what the invented disciples told them, as all their writings are lost, yet you base your delusion on an invented story.
I gave four indigenous names below which were used by Jews in the past but you decided to pick one which you claim to be a Samaritan name. I then had to bring it to your attention that even the Jews call your invented jesus christ a Samaritan and that what matters is that those are the names that should have been used for the invented story instead of the European names that were used. Eliashib Sanballat Manasseh Onias
Let's meet on Speakers corner to have a public discussion about your invented jesus christ and let's see if it will not be you that will be embarrassed.
SIRTee15: All what u wrote up here is mere conjectures, assumptions, conspiracy claims that cannot be backed with any tangible evidence.
U asking me why it took Josephus donkey years to write the old and new testament. Did I tell u I agree with u that Josephus wrote the bible.
Your question is what we call logical fallacy. Asking me why it took someone to write a book when I never told u he wrote a book in the first place.
You are yet to produce any evidence that Josephus wrote the old and new testament. The only feeble one u brought here regarding names of new testament characters was destroyed instantly.
Look here, there's a difference btw a claim and evidence. You are free to believe whatever fits your delusion but u to produce solid evidence to back your claim b4 it can become a fact.
Your claim Josephus wrote the bible is a mere opinion. Trust me, u can't repeat this nonsense in real life. You would be thoroughly embarrassed. U can only keep parotting behind a screen where u selectively chose what you write and ignore solid counter evidence.
Answer the questions below maybe they will help clear your mind of your junk invented belief.
If you take a look through the "THE ANTIQUITIES OF THE JEWS" by Josephus in Greek around AD 95 from within the Royal palace of Emperor Vesperian in Rome after Josephus had switched sides to the Romans in AD 66 to save his own life after he led the first Jewish revolt against the Roman in Jedea. You would see that even to Old Testament we now have today was written by Josephus in AD 95 while in Rome.
Now if you want to clear your mind of your junk invented belief, then you will ask yourself why:
1. It took Josephus from AD 66 to AD 95 to write the Old Testament and the New Testament in Greek and in the Palce of Rome Emperor Vesperian in Rome ?
2. Where are the original Hewbrew scrolls Emperor Vesperian took away from the Temple in Jerusalem in AD 70 ?
3. Why did the Romans destroy all other religion Jewish scrolls that they did not take away from Isreal at the time ?
4. Even though Aramaic the native language of your invented jesus christ is still written and spoken today, why did anyone not write about your invented jesus christ then in Aramaic, when he was doing all the invented miracles we hear of today, that the first writings about your invented jesus christ was in Greek and written in the palace of Emperor Vesperian in Rome around AD 95 ?
In John 8, “the Jews” label your invented jesus christ a “Samaritan” in order to distance Jesus from themselves because they are opposed to his broadening of Judean ethnic identity.
So for your information there is nothing wrong using the name Sanballat as example of one of the Jewish names that should have been used for your invented jesus christ and his invented disciples.
SIRTee15: Did u just write snaballat is a Jewish name. That doesn't look right, Sanballat in the bible is a samaritan.
That Josephus using names that originated from the Europeans while in the palace in Rome for the invented jesus christ and his invented disciples is a good clue he left to let us the elect know that he was under duress to invent jesus christ for you.
If the characted were not invented he would have used real Jewish names like Eliashib Sanballat Manasseh Onias And so on for the account of the Messiah story
SIRTee15: So what's your point then about Josephus calling Jews Simon. What exactly is your point.
If you take a look through the "THE ANTIQUITIES OF THE JEWS" by Josephus in Greek around AD 95 from within the Royal palace of Emperor Vesperian in Rome after Josephus had switched sides to the Romans in AD 66 to save his own life after he led the first Jewish revolt against the Roman in Jedea. You would see that even to Old Testament we now have today was written by Josephus in AD 95 while in Rome.
Now if you want to use the real brain God gave you and not the one it have been replaced by the invented jesus christ, then you will ask your self why:
1. It took Josephus from AD 66 to AD 95 to write the Old Testament and the New Testament in Greek and in the Palce of Rome Emperor Vesperian in Rome ?
2. Where are the original Hewbrew scrolls Emperor Vesperian took away from the Temple in Jerusalem in AD 70 ?
3. Why did the Romans destroy all other religion Jewish scrolls that were in Isreal at the time ?
4. Even though Aramaic the native language of your invented jesus christ is still written and spoken today, why did anyone not write about your invented jesus christ then, when he was doing all the invented miracles we hear of today, that the first writings about your invented jesus christ was in Greek and written in the palace of Emperor Vesperian in Rome around AD 95 ?
If you take a look through the "THE ANTIQUITIES OF THE JEWS" by Josephus in Greek around AD 95 from within the Royal palace of Emperor Vesperian in Rome after Josephus had switched sides to the Romans in AD 66 to save his own life after he led the first Jewish revolt against the Roman in Jedea. You would see that even to Old Testament we now have today was written by Josephus in AD 95 while in Rome.
Now if you want to use the real brain God gave you and not the one it have been replaced by the invented jesus christ, then you will ask your self why:
1. It took Josephus from AD 66 to AD 95 to write the Old Testament and the New Testament in Greek and in the Palce of Rome Emperor Vesperian in Rome?
2. Where are the original Hewbrew scrolls Emperor Vesperian took away from the Temple in Jerusalem in AD 70
3. Why did the Romans destroy all other religion Jewish scrolls that were in Isreal at the time
4. Even though Aramaic the native language of your invented jesus christ is still written and spoken today, why did anyone not write about your invented jesus christ then, when he was doing all the invented miracles we hear of today, that the first writings about your invented jesus christ was in Greek and written in the palace of Emperor Vesperian in Rome around AD 95?
Moses is a name that can be of either Jewish, Welsh, or English origin. Simon can be a Hebrew name and also a Greek name. If the Europeans had arrived in the area now called Nigeria say 2000 to 3000 years ago then today you will be saying that because there are people with the names of Charles, George, Felix, etc, that they are all Nigerian names. Also if the name Lagos has been around from about 2000 to 3000 years ago, you will today also be saying Lagos is an Awori name.
You need to get a nursery school chair and table which you should sit on as your knowledge of European history of expansion is that of a nursery school kid. Which is why I need teach you how Europeans names have had influence on the names we now hear of in the areas they have occupied over history.
SIRTee15: Simon is not an English name. It's the latinisation of the the original name in hebrew- si'mon U dont even know the etymology of Jewish name but u claim to follow the religion. Guy I don't even know why I should continue this conversation with u.
Tacitus (AD 56 – c. 120) who was not yet born during the time of your invented jesus christ is the one you are getting the fake stories from. Jews cannot be bearing English names in the first century when they were not a commonwealth English nation.
Flavius Jesephus (36-100 CE) wrote about Simon of Perea 4 bce before he was even born, and an English name before the first century in Isreal. Jews cannot be answering English names at that time.
You have truly shown that your brain cannot be reset again as it has been replace by the invented story of your invented jesus christ so you can continue in your delusion as it's now too late to help you reset your brain.
SIRTee15: Ok, Simon of Peraeaa didn't exist though Tacitus wrote about him. Judas of Gamal didn't exist. Meneham didn't exist The zealots also didn't exist. Theudas and Zadok the Pharisee also didn't exist
Why? because philos didn't write about them. According to this clown, if they exist philos living in Alexandria would have written about them. U go fear desperate reasoning based on irrational thinking.
Well the readers can deduce who deluded and who's factual.
Btw- philo died 50 AD not 40 AD.
SIRTee15: Read archeological evidence of Simon of Peraea that your Philo didnt write about and was invented.
1 You are the one waffling, if not you will know that Philo of Alexandria (20 BCE - 40 CE) who was around before and after your invented jesus christ would have written an authentic account on your invented jesus christ and simon if they ever existed.
2. Flavius Jesephus (36-100 CE) was not yet born during the time of your invented jesus christ. Flavius Jesephus led the first Jewish revolt in 66 CE and then switched sides the Romans to save his own life and then became a traitor to his own fellow Jews. Vespasian liked him and gave him a flat in his palace in Rome. Flavius Jesephus's writings were around 95.
3. From 66 CE to 95 CE gave the Romans enough time to use Flavius Jesephus and other Jewish priests taken to Rome to write about an invented jesus christ.
4. Flavius Jesephus will not be using English names for his fellow Jews if those characters like Jesus, Simon etc were not invented.
Your brain cannot be reset again as it has been replace by the invented story of your invented jesus christ so you can continue in your delusion as it's now too late to help you reset your brain.
SIRTee15: Now u just waffling, how can a Jew philosopher and historian not write about disruptive events that happened during his lifetime in Judea
Did he write about Simon of Peraea who declared himself king of the Jews after the death of Herod the great in 4 bce. Simon led an army against the Roman legion to defend his kingship claim. Simon burnt down palaces and led his army as far as Jericho.
Philo was very much active that time. Why didn't he write about his events. Even Tacitus wrote about Simon of Peraea.
Did he even write about the samaritan prophet who claimed to be the prophet spoken about by Moses and led a rebellion against Pontus Pilate in 38 AD. This Samaritan prophet eventually submitted to Simon Agabus who was written about in the book of Acts.
So zealots were unimportant, the 4th philosophy of judaism belief wasn't worth writing about to someone who's a Jewish philosopher. So what exactly was he writing about?
Comparing Augustus Caesar to a prophet whose ministry was mainly small area of Galilee makes no sense. If u want to delude yourself in such comparison, be my guest.
I'm not bringing any link. Do the work yourself. You people are so used to being spoonfed u've lost the ability of critical thinking. That's why u filled with conspiracy junks.
I mentioned names, type the names on Google and read about them from different sources. That's how u learn.
Below is more on Simon of Peraea.
SIRTee15: SIRTee15 brain cannot be reformated. When u initially came here u were fixated that Jesus never existed but now u admit he may have existed but not popular.
This is a big step backwards for SIRTee15. Bad SIRTee15 is moving away from his healing.
sonmvayina: You know how I know Jesus never existed..
Because his mother is the queen of heaven(Lucifer)..
Or the mother of jesus christ is a mami water as pastors go the Bar Beach to get powers for their church from mami water.
Here is a confession by a pastor called chidubem okwu who narrated his life story of how he was initiated into occultism by his General Overseer senior friend and mentor. He talked of how he went to the Bar Beach in Lagos one night and slept with a mermaid physically and thereafter the mermaid made the sign of the cross on her head touching her vagina the mermaid left me went to the general overseer and brought out a golden cross and chain from her stomach and wore it on the neck of the general overseer who gave her some money the mermaid thanked him and went back to the sea. And from then on he too began to operate in powerful “gifts” of “touch and fall”, “look and follow”etc. The only thing the mermaid told him was that he had to renew the power once a month by sleeping with a virgin and married women.
The first Jewish Revolt recorded was in, (ad 66–70), Jewish rebellion against Roman rule in Judaea. The First Jewish Revolt was the result of a long series of clashes in which small groups of Jews offered sporadic resistance to the Romans, who in turn responded with severe countermeasures. https://www.britannica.com/event/First-Jewish-Revolt
So if there were any Zealots during the time of Philos then they were very irrelevant to write about. But he wrote about Caesar Augustus Rome’s Emperor, in the eastern roman empire as being god's anointed one and the son of god.
Philos did not mention about any invented jesus christ as even if there was one then there was notthing worth mentioning about as none of the invented miracles we hear of today ever happened.
The information you posted has no sources.
SIRTee15: Go and read about the zealots. The movement didn't start in 66 AD. They emerged from the 4th philosophy sect of 1st century judaism. The other 3 were Pharisee, Sadducees and Essenes. This Judaism movement was started by Judas of Gamala and Zadok the Pharisee in 6 AD. Philos was very much around at that time, did he write about the 4th philosophy One of Jesus disciple was called Simon the zealot.
The idea that Philo doesn't write about political affairs isn't true. He wrote about Pontus Pilate as a Roman governor in Judea area describing him as harsh. Why didnt he write about the zealots.
So Philos wrote about a non Jew Messiah. But didnt write about the Jewish Messiahs. Did he write about Jewish Messiah figures like Judas of Gamala, Theudas and Menahem. Did he write about John the baptist, an influential member of the Essene sect who performed ritual baptism and awaited the Messiah figure. Obviously, he felt their their Messiah was irrelevant to bother about but should have bothered about that of jesus. Why?
It was a pattern where this foreign born Jews elevate a non Jew as Messiah and completely ignore the home Jews. They did the same for Cyrus the persian, insert his name into the book of Isaiah as the Messiah foretold.
Read below about Messiah figures in early first century and ask yourself why philo didn't write about them.
The Zealots from AD 66 were a political movement in 1st-century Second Temple Judaism which sought to incite the people of Judea Province to rebel against the Roman Empire and expel it from the Holy Land by force of arms, most notably during the First Jewish–Roman War (66–73).Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealots
Philo of Alexandria Born: 25 BC was around through out the time of the invented jesus christ but was not around during the time of the Zealots and even if he was he won't has written about them as they had no impact on Judaism like the invented jesus christ did.
Philo of Alexandria wrote interpretations of Jewish scriptures, various aspects of Jewish history and culture, Philo's works primarily focused on topics related to Jewish philosophy, theology, ethics and the Jewish scriptures. His writings did not provide detailed accounts of contemporary political or military movements. Philo of Alexandria described Caesar Augustus of Rome like a messiah, in the eastern roman empire who was claimed to be god's anointed one and the son of god. He also gave the account of the birth of Caesar Augustus in Rome also has some similarities to that of the invented jesus christ.
So you can see that if there was a jesus christ performing all the invented miracles and claiming to be the son of god then Philo of Alexandria would have written about him.
Josephus was not even born during the time of the invented jesus christ but wrote about the invented jesus christ in AD 95 from the palace in Rome after he switched sides to the Romans to save his own life by being a trator to his own people
SIRTee15: Jewish historian wrote about Jesus...Josephus.
The question is about a Jewish philosopher who did not write anything about all the riots that rocked Judea and Jerusalem during his time. Did not write anything about all the Messiah claimants including those that raised an army against the Roman govt.
Jesus wasnt the only person who claimed to be Messiah and was killed. Did he write about other ones like Judas of Gamala who told Jews not to pay tax and led an army against the Roman legion.
Philos did not write anything about the zealots movement whose action led to the destruction of the 2nd temple and expulsion of Jews from Jerusalem. Did not write anything about the Herod dynasty.
These are reports that definitely rocked the entire Roman empire during their time. The emperor in Rome had to personally send troops down to judea to crush Jewish rebellion.
Philos was alive all thru this period but wrote nothing about these events.
Very funny. Very funny indeed.
Unless u can give me a valid excuse why philos was silent about these major events during his time, u shouldn't ask me about Jesus.
As regards Jesus ministry and his miraculous wonders. Do u know Olumba Olumba?
You mean the invented jesus christ was walking on water, feeding 5000 people with one loaf of bread and two fishes, brought Lazarus back from the dead after three days in the tomb, the invented jesus christ was crucified and rose up on the third day, during his crucifixion many saints came out from their tombs and went into to cities to show themselves to the people and the temple curtains were torn in two. Also the invented jesus christ then flew up into the clouds. The fame of the invented jesus christ fame went as far as Judea, Jerusalem, Idumea, and the regions across the Jordan and around Tyre and Sidon Mark › Mark-3-8 NIV When they heard about all he was doing, many people came to him from Judea, Jerusalem, Idumea, and the regions across the Jordan and around Tyre and Sidon.
Yet you expect a Jewish historian during the time of the invented jesus christ not to write about him?
SIRTee15: U wondering why philo wrote about Augustus but not Jesus.
Seriously are u comparing Jesus to Augustus in their contemporary times. Like seriously!!!!
Did Philo write about other jewish Messiah claimants in the early first century. Did he write about Judas of gamala Did he write about Theudas the zealot.
These men were popular amongst the Jews, they raised army and fought against the Roman occupation around 1-50 AD to prove their messianic claim. What did your historian Philo write about them?
Philo died in AD 50, so would be very much aware of the riots and rebellion against roman authority that rocked the whole of judea in the early first century AD.
Did he write about the zealots that pioneered the revolution. The zealots were blamed for the first Jewish- roman war. Even the bible mentioned one of Jesus disciple was called Simon the zealot just to show u the impact this movement had at that period.
Did Philo report about the execution of Judas's sons, James and Simon by procurator Tiberius Julius Alexander in about 46 CE. James and Simon were fierce nationalists who caused the people to revolt when Quirinius came to take an account of the estates of the Jews.
Did Philo write about Pontus Pilate and the massacre of the Samaritans led by their Messiah like figure Dositheus in AD 37. Philo was very much alive and active that time, u can't tell me he didn't hear about it because that action led to the removal of Pontus Pilate as governor of judea.
Philo didn't even write about John the Baptist who was more popular than Jesus during his time.
So Philo wrote about Roman figures in Rome but never bothered to write about jews living in Judea Yet some expected him to write about a pacifist whose ministry was restricted to Galilee and never stirred much trouble with Roman authorities.
SIRTee15: Do u understand my question. I'm asking for extra biblical evidence for Moses. That's what I'm asking for. Don't bring up what's in the bible, we know that already.
Top Ten Discoveries Related to Moses and the Exodus
NOTE: Here is the video version of this blog, from Episode 157 of the TV show, Digging for Truth, by the Associates for Biblical Research.
The account of God raising up Moses to lead the people of Israel out of slavery in Egypt is one of the most important biblical events. In fact it is the most frequently mentioned event in the entire Old Testament, referred to over 120 times in subsequent stories, laws, poems, Psalms, historical writings and prophecies.1 In addition, there has been 3500 years of almost unbroken Passover celebrations. The Exodus is such a seminal event in Hebrew history that it stretches credulity to suggest, as some critics do, that it did not have a historical basis.
Is there archaeological evidence for the Israelite exodus from Egypt? I believe there is, providing one recognizes the limits of archaeology and looks in the correct time period. First, one would not expect to find Egyptian inscriptions directly referencing the plagues or the Exodus, as royal inscriptions never included negative reports about the Pharaoh and his armies.2 Moreover, the Israelites wandered in the desert as nomads for 40 years, leaving little, if any, cultural remains due to their transient nature. This doesn’t mean there is no evidence of the Exodus; it means one needs to look for the correct things (ie. evidence of the decline of Egyptian society) and not expect to find the remans of Hebrew campsites in the desert. Secondly, one needs to look in the correct time period for clues to the Exodus. Fortunately, the Bible gives ample chronological data relating to this event. 1 Kings 6:1 says that it was in the “four hundred and eightieth year after the people of Israel came out of the land of Egypt” that Solomon began building the temple.” A straightforward reading of this verse places the Exodus in 1446 BC.3 This timeframe is affirmed by numerous other passages: Judges 11:26-27, Acts 13:19-20 and the number of generations listed 1 Chron. 6:33-38.4 Thus, one needs to look in the 15th century BC for evidence of the Exodus, not the 13th century BC as some scholars claim.5
Here then are the top ten discoveries related to Moses and the Exodus which I believe are evidence of the historicity of the biblical account.
10. Proto-Sinaitic Inscriptions
A Proto-Sinaitic Inscription from Serabit el-Khadim (Sinai 361). Image Courtesy of Doug Petrovich Some have suggested that Moses did not write the first five books of the Bible, but rather they were written a thousand years later by a supposed group of priests living in exile (or later) who were trying to invent a glorious history for their people. When this theory was first proposed in the 19th century, there was no known alphabetic script with which Moses could have recorded such lengthy reports. We now know that there was indeed an alphabetic script Moses could have used. Remember that Moses was literate, having been educated in Pharaoh’s household (Acts 7:22). In the early 20th century, examples of alphabetic writing were discovered by Sir Flinders Petrie inscribed on stones at Serabit el-Khadim, an Egyptian turquois mine in the Sinai.6 They date from the 19th to the 15th centuries BC.7 The Proto-Sinaitic script, as it is often called, was invented by Semites who worked at the turquois mine and adopted Egyptian hieroglyphic symbols as pictographic letters for their language. Most scholars agree that the language behind this script is from Canaan, but which language has been a matter of debate. Douglas Petrovich has presented evidence these inscriptions were written by Israelites, and that Hebrew is the language behind the script.8 His translation of one inscription (Sinai 361) contains the name of Moses.9 Not all scholars are convinced, however,10 11 which has resulted in much debate.12 It is interesting that an alphabetic script developed at the precise time the Israelites were in Egypt, and that the language behind it is from their place of origin. At the very least, we now know that there was indeed an alphabetic script Moses could have used to write the first five books of the Bible.
9. Egyptian Words in the Hebrew Text
The Egyptian word for the Nile is “great river”, represented by these hieroglyphs, literally itrw, and ‘waters’ determinative. The word “river,” in the biblical account of baby Moses refers is not the normal Hebrew word for river (nahar), but rather a transliteration of this Egyptian word. Image: Wing/Wikimedia Commons/CC BY-SA 3.0 One of the often-overlooked elements of the Exodus account in the Bible is the use of Egyptian words in the Hebrew text. After the birth of Moses, we read, “When she could hide him no longer, she took for him a basket made of bulrushes and daubed it with bitumen and pitch. She put the child in it and placed it among the reeds by the river bank” (Ex 2:3). Egyptologist, James Hoffmeier, has highlighted the numerous Egyptian words that are often missed in this verse. The Hebrew word for “basket” is tebat (nan) and derives from the Egyptian word dbjt. Similarly, the words “bulrushes” and “pitch” have Egyptian etymology and the Hebrew word “reeds,” is unquestionably the Egyptian word twfy. The word “river,” clearly referring to the Nile is not the normal Hebrew word for river (nahar), but rather a transliteration of the Egyptian word for the Nile.13 Even Moses’ name is Egyptian, having been named by Pharaoh’s daughter (Ex 2:10). Hoffemeier writes, “There is widespread agreement that at the root of the name of the great Hebrew leader is the Egyptian word msi, which was a very common element in theophonc names throughout the New Kingdom (e.g., Amenmose, Thutmose, Ahmose, Ptahmose, Ramose, Ramesses).14 The Egyptian loan-words in the Hebrew text are difficult to explain, unless one acknowledges Moses’ Egyptian education and authorship.
8. Papyrus Brooklyn 35.1446
Papyrus Brooklyn 35.1446 records the names of 95 household slaves, including some that are Hebrew. Photo: Brooklyn Museum / CC BY 3.0 Central to the Exodus account is the presence of Israelites in Egypt to begin with. The Bible describes Joseph’s entrance to Egypt as a slave (Gn 37:28), his rise to power (Gn 41:41), his initiative in bringing his family to Egypt (Gn 45:18), their subsequent growth (Ex 1:7) and eventual bondage (Ex 1:11). Some scholars, however, do not believe the Israelites were ever in Egypt. For example, in a 1999 article in Ha’aretz, Ze’ev Herzog boldly declared, “This is what archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel.”15
There is evidence, however, of the Israelites in Egypt. Papyrus Brooklyn 35.1446 is an Egyptian document written in hieratic script, that names 95 household servants of a noblewoman named Senebtisi.16 Forty of the names are Semitic (Hebrew is a Semitic language),17 and several have been identified as Hebrew names. These include Menahema, a feminine form of the Hebrew name Menahem (2 Kgs 15:14), a woman whose name is a parallel to Issachar, one of Jacob’s sons (Gn 30:18), and Shiphrah, the name of one of the Hebrew midwives prior to the Exodus (Ex 1:15).18 To be clear, this papyrus dates to the 13th Dynasty (ca. 1809-1743 BC)19 just after the time of Joseph, and does not refer to Hebrew slaves at the time of Moses. Titus Kennedy summarizes its importance: “This list is a clear attestation of Hebrew people living in Egypt prior to the Exodus, and it is an essential piece of evidence in the argument for an historical Exodus.”20
7. Egyptian Records of Slaves Making Bricks
A brick-making scene in the tomb of Rekhmire in the Valley of the Nobles in lower Egypt. Photo: Ferrell Jenkins – https://ferrelljenkins.blog/2020/03/12/ One of the tasks the Israelite slaves were pressed into was making bricks (Ex 5:7-. When Moses petitioned Pharaoh to let God’s people go, Pharaoh responded making their labor more difficult (Ex 5:6-18). The biblical description of slaves making bricks is affirmed by a painting in the tomb of Rehkmire (ca. 1470-1445 BC), the vizier of Egypt under Thutmose III and Amenhotep II. The painting depicts Nubian and Asiatic slaves (Egyptians called people from Canaan “Asiatics”) making bricks for the workshops of the Karnak Temple.21 Slaves are seen collecting and mixing mud and water, packing the mud in brick molds, and leaving them to dry in the sun. Nearby Egyptian officials, each with a rod, oversee the work.
In addition to the Rehkmire tomb painting, a leather scroll in the Louvre which dates to the time of Rameses II mentions forty stablemasters (junior officers) who each had a quota of 2000 bricks to be made by the men under them.22 Two further Egyptian papyri (Anastasi IV and V) record that “there are no men to make bricks and no straw in the district,”23 which highlights the importance of straw as a binder in brickmaking, and the dismay the Israelites felt when Pharaoh stopped supplying it, but still required the same number of bricks to be made (Ex 5:18-21). Egyptian records affirm the biblical description of the process of making bricks.
6. Discoveries at Avaris
The city of Avaris beneath the city of Ramesses. Image: (c) Patterns of Evidence, LLC. Used with Permission https://patternsofevidence.com/ According to the biblical text, the Israelites settled in “the land of Rameses” (Gn 47:11) sometime in the 19th century. While they were initially free, at some point they became slaves to the native Egyptians and pressed into building the city of Rameses (Ex 1:11). When they left Egypt in 1446 BC, some 430 years later, they left from Rameses (Ex 12:37).24 The use of the word “Rameses” is an update of the biblical text by later editors to replace an archaic place name with one that was more recognizable, as it is in Gn 47:11: “So Joseph settled his father and his brothers in Egypt and gave them property in the best part of the land, the district of Rameses, as Pharaoh directed.”
Palace F and Palace G from ancient Avaris date to the time of Moses. Image: Bryant G. Wood, Associates for Biblical Research. Based on Figs. figs 4, 33 and 34b in Bietak, Manfred; Dorner, Josef; and Jánosi, Peter 2001 Ausgrabungen in dem Palastbezirk von Avaris. Vorbericht Tell el-Dab‘a/‘Ezbet Helmi 1993–2000. Egypt and the Levant 11: 27–119. Thanks to five decades of excavations by the Austrian Archaeological Institute of Cairo at Tell el-Dab‘a in the eastern Nile Delta, we now know this was the site of the city Rameses, which was itself built over a previous city named Avaris. While the site is most famous as the Hyksos capital,25 it was originally settled in the 19th century (the time of Joseph) by a group of non-Egyptians from Canaan, as evidenced by the Canaanite pottery and weapons they used.26 There is even evidence of a four-roomed house in the village, the same layout as those typical of Israelite settlements in the later Iron Age, as well as a prominent tomb in which the remains of a statue of a Semitic man with a multi-coloured robe was found. The town grew and became more Egyptianized, with a mansion built atop the four-roomed house which some believe to be the residence of Ephraim and Manasseh, Joseph’s sons.27 A palace precinct was later built at Avaris during the Hyksos period, and then expanded during the 18th Dynasty, forming a new royal citadel.28 This later palatial complex dates to the time of Moses and is likely where he spent time when he was raised in Pharaoh’s courts. Interestingly, the excavators at Tell el-Dab’a note the site was suddenly and mysteriously abandoned after the reign of Amenhotep II, suggesting a plague may have been the reason.29 Bryant Wood summarizes the occupational history of the site: “The excavations at Tell el-Dab’a have revealed the presence of an “Asiatic” community who first settled as pastoralists, then grew in number as well-to-do entrepreneurs, became subservient to the Egyptians and finally left. This scenario exactly matches what we read in the Bible.”30
Righthussle: Dear God, please in my next life, if there's anything like that, make any of these women my wife. If for any reason you don't make any of them my wife, please I don't want to exist or come to earth again after this life. Thanks.
And if you are not in a higher position then the women you posted, man they will make you their boy boy in the house, know this and know peace.
I mentioned ifa just as an exmple. But let's stick to Moses you asked about in the Jewish traditional religion. If you read the Books of Moses and other Jewish religious books, you will find out more for yourself.
SIRTee15: Is SIRTee15 ok, I asked for historical evidence of Moses, what are u giving me?
Answer my question or swerve.
You cannot compare Moses in the Jewish traditional religious beliefs to that of your invented religion. Traditional religious beliefs give the communities that practiced them knowledge of rularship system, how to buid a community, how to make things, how to make iron from special sand and fire, how to weave clothes, marriage traditions to follow and so on.
But what has your invented jesus christ and invented christianity taught, to give to Caesar who is the occupier what is Caesar, not to have interested in the rularship system of your nation because the invented jesus christ has gone to prepare an imaginary mansion for you in the sky, for slaves to fear and obey the invented jesus christ like they fear and obey their worldly masters etc. Are these not psychologicals tools to control the people in an occupied nation?
SIRTee15: So somvayuna, can u give me one historical evidence of Moses. Just one. Thanks.
Moses is part of the Jewish traditional religious belief when they were not under any occupation by another nation, just as the Yorubas had their traditional Ifa belief before they were under occupying. These traditional beliefs were not forced on them by any occupying nation. But jesus christ is not a traditional religion, but was invented during occupation and was and is still a psychological tool forced on people in nations that have been occupied.
EruditeSupport: I never expected more from EruditeSupport. I already studied EruditeSupport and knew his intellectual capacity. EruditeSupport didn't dissapoiint. Kudos.
No one wrote outside their invented New Testament that they saw their invented jesus christ.
Philo Judeas Born: 25 BC, Alexandria, Egypt, in the Roman province of Egypt, was a Hellenistic Jewish philosopher who was around during the time of Jesus Christ, during His ministry and after the ministry of Jesus Christ. Did not write about their invented jesus christ. But had this to write instead:
Philo Judeas wrote about Caesar Augustus Rome’s Greatest Emperor, in the eastern roman empire was claimed to being god's anointed one and the son of god. The account of the birth of Caesar Augustus in Rome also has some similarites to that of their invented jesus christ. So the Jews are correct that the Jewish Messiah has not yet come.
EruditeSupport: Can you see what EruditeSupport have done to himself?
Ride on. We'll soon know who's the big fool between you and I.
I can't believe that a fully grown human being like EruditeSupport would copy pasting all the jargons EruditeSupport posted above. EruditeSupport does not know what concerns chatgpt with court cases? Chai!!
When your ChatGPT is giving fake references to recent fake court cases that never existed, so if you are not the BIG fool you won't beleive that ChartGPT can tell you what happened 2000 years ago. I'm a programmer and I can created a ChatGPT for you to say any garbage you want.
A New York lawyer is facing a court hearing of his own after his firm used AI tool ChatGPT for legal research.
A judge said the court was faced with an "unprecedented circumstance" after a filing was found to reference example legal cases that did not exist.
The lawyer who used the tool told the court he was "unaware that its content could be false".
ChatGPT creates original text on request, but comes with warnings it can "produce inaccurate information".
The original case involved a man suing an airline over an alleged personal injury. His legal team submitted a brief that cited several previous court cases in an attempt to prove, using precedent, why the case should move forward.
But the airline's lawyers later wrote to the judge to say they could not find several of the cases that were referenced in the brief.
"Six of the submitted cases appear to be bogus judicial decisions with bogus quotes and bogus internal citations," Judge Castel wrote in an order demanding the man's legal team explain itself.
Over the course of several filings, it emerged that the research had not been prepared by Peter LoDuca, the lawyer for the plaintiff, but by a colleague of his at the same law firm. Steven A Schwartz, who has been an attorney for more than 30 years, used ChatGPT to look for similar previous cases.
In his written statement, Mr Schwartz clarified that Mr LoDuca had not been part of the research and had no knowledge of how it had been carried out.
Mr Schwartz added that he "greatly regrets" relying on the chatbot, which he said he had never used for legal research before and was "unaware that its content could be false".
He has vowed to never use AI to "supplement" his legal research in future "without absolute verification of its authenticity".
Screenshots attached to the filing appear to show a conversation between Mr Schwarz and ChatGPT.
"Is varghese a real case," reads one message, referencing Varghese v. China Southern Airlines Co Ltd, one of the cases that no other lawyer could find.
ChatGPT responds that yes, it is - prompting "S" to ask: "What is your source".
After "double checking", ChatGPT responds again that the case is real and can be found on legal reference databases such as LexisNexis and Westlaw.
It says that the other cases it has provided to Mr Schwartz are also real.
Both lawyers, who work for the firm Levidow, Levidow & Oberman, have been ordered to explain why they should not be disciplined at an 8 June hearing.
Millions of people have used ChatGPT since it launched in November 2022.
It can answer questions in natural, human-like language and it can also mimic other writing styles. It uses the internet as it was in 2021 as its database.
There have been concerns over the potential risks of artificial intelligence (AI), including the potential spread of misinformation and bias.
EruditeSupport: Chatgpt is telling you fake history. You don't need the Holy Spirit to learn the truth about historical events. Do you?
Isn't it foolish of EruditeSupport to hold an opinion based on ChatGPT which was created by a nonentity who doesn't know what he was saying? Are the historical archives of YouTube not more accurate than that of an ignorant chatgpt?
EruditeSupport can Keep deceiving yourself. EruditeSupport have chosen your path and we can see where it's leading.
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by MindHacker9009(op): 2:14pm On Sep 30, 2023*. Modified: 2:47pm On Sep 30, 2023
. When Moses petitioned Pharaoh to let God’s people go, Pharaoh responded making their labor more difficult (Ex 5:6-18). The biblical description of slaves making bricks is affirmed by a painting in the tomb of Rehkmire (ca. 1470-1445 BC), the vizier of Egypt under Thutmose III and Amenhotep II. The painting depicts Nubian and Asiatic slaves (Egyptians called people from Canaan “Asiatics”) making bricks for the workshops of the Karnak Temple.21 Slaves are seen collecting and mixing mud and water, packing the mud in brick molds, and leaving them to dry in the sun. Nearby Egyptian officials, each with a rod, oversee the work.