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lanrexlan: Brother,see your words you said ''WHAT's THE USE OF THE SUN WITHOUT HEAT AND LIGHT?''

Brother,heat and light are products of the sun and they aren't equivalent to the sun i.e. Heat isn't the sun and light isn't the sun.

But [b]trinitarians[/b]do claim all these three-the father,the son and the holy spirit are the same.

hope I have made myself clear,i don't understand and comprehend a fabrication,a concoction.

God is one

and doesn't dwell in anyone

deSika: just one thing I need u to help me do

Pls can yu explain "a king from among thy brethren " deut 17: 15

deSika: just one thing I need u to help me do

Pls can yu explain "a king from among thy brethren " deut 17: 15

lanrexlan: Brother mintayo,before I reply to your claims above,my question is are trying to say that the son and the holy spirit are products of the father,just like heat and light are products of the sun? If you can answer that correctly,then I will analyse the above claim....Peace

lanrexlan: Brother mintayo,before I reply to your claims above,my question is are trying to say that the son and the holy spirit are products of the father,just like heat and light are products of the sun? If you can answer that correctly,then I will analyse the above claim....Peace

To mister bolean

,the sun is a body its products are heat energy and light energy.Without the sun,there's no heat nor light.

God is omnipotent,he exists alone he doesn't need anybody to be part of him.

The only thing you guys are comparing is because all your claims are in threes,so God can be in 3persons but still one...

obadiah777: PAY ATTENTION. I ALREADY GAVE INTERPRETATION FOR THAT.

48 MATTHEW 24 And he saw them toiling in rowing; for the wind was contrary unto them: and about the fourth watch of the night he cometh unto them, walking upon the sea HE SAW THEM STRUGGLING AGAINST THE REPROBATE AND BELLIGERENT ROWDY SCOFFERS AND HE WALKED UP TO THE SCOFFERS AND BATTLED THEM

alexis: Let me ask you a question - Did the "Lost Injeel" have the Godhead in it? Trying to explain the Trinity to you is almost like imagining a plastic glass

I gave you an example of an ATOM - you understood that concept yet BRANCHED OFF totally and talked about the decomposition of the atom . I never mentioned the decomposition of an atom but for some reason you decided to deviate from the central theme .

I thought about another example that should make sense to you - I AM FULLY AWARE YOU WOULDN'T ACCEPT IT BUT I AM INTERESTED ON HOW YOU WOULD VIEW IT

Time exists as Past, Present, Future - they are 3 but 1. Is this a simpler example for you mate

alexis: Let me ask you a question - Did the "Lost Injeel" have the Godhead in it? Trying to explain the Trinity to you is almost like imagining a plastic glass

I gave you an example of an ATOM - you understood that concept yet BRANCHED OFF totally and talked about the decomposition of the atom . I never mentioned the decomposition of an atom but for some reason you decided to deviate from the central theme .

I thought about another example that should make sense to you - I AM FULLY AWARE YOU WOULDN'T ACCEPT IT BUT I AM INTERESTED ON HOW YOU WOULD VIEW IT

Time exists as Past, Present, Future - they are 3 but 1. Is this a simpler example for you mate

talk2me006: interesing
taking my breakfast with hot cofee and bread
i cant stop laughing with these people.
keep them coming , your yansh will be exposed one by one. i promise !

just let me come bak and charge my laptop.

Bidam: Abeg go siddon.Obadiah has more bible sense than you

obadiah777: AND I REPEAT, THE NEW TESTAMENT FROM CORINTHIANS ON DOWN ARE LETTERS WRITTEN BETWEEN PEOPLE. YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO INSERT YOURSELF INTO IT. WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO GET FROM THOSE LETTERS IS WHAT THESE ELECT MEN HAD TO GO THROUGH IN ORDER TO UNITE THE WHOLE WORLD BOTH JEW AND GENTILES TO GOD UNDER THE LAW. THATS WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO GET FROM IT. NOTHING MORE. THEY ARE NOT MEANT FOR YOU TO THINK YOU WERE GIVEN GRACE OR YOU ARE ABOVE THE LAW. YOU NEED A REAL LESSON IN HOW TO READ AND UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE CHIEF. YOUR PASTOR HAS FAILED YOU. IF YOU ARE HUMBLE ENOUGH TO LET GO OFF ALL THE LIES YOU HAVE BEEN TAUGHT FROM YOUR PASTORS, I MAY GIVE YOU A FEW POINTERS. HOWEVER YOU HAVE TO APPROACH THIS AS A CHILD WITH ABSOLUTE ENTHUSIASM AND WITH A CLEAN SLATE. YOU GOTTA GET RID OF WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW CUZ IT IS RUBBISH THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH. YOU GOTTA BE MEEK AND HUMBLE ENOUGH TO SAY THAT WHAT YOU HAVE LEARNT SO FAR IS RUBBISH. I WENT THROUGH THAT PHASE TOO. FORTUNATELY FOR ME, I DONT HAVE THE SPIRIT OF A HOARDER OR SCOFFER ALWAYS UNWILLINGLY TO LET GO OFF THINGS I HAD LEARNED FROM SINCE I WAS A KID. AS SOON AS I GOT INTRODUCED TO THE RIGHT WAY OF READING THE BIBLE, IN THAT SECOND I QUICKLY DITCHED EVERYTHING I THOUGHT I KNEW. WASNT EVEN ANY RELUCTANCE ON MY PART

ONLY THE ELECT WERE GIVEN GRACE AND ARE ABOVE THE LAW.

Qkeyxyz:
23But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25[size=13pt]But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor[/size](Galatians 3:23-25)

lanrexlan: Mr boleanI can't keep wasting my time replying you because your brain rating is very low,you can't reason and assimilate easily,my advice for you get yourself a memory card,maybe 128MB and a RAM of 56MB,maybe that may help you to process information very faster...Peace

tintingz: Mintayo you got served!

Thank you sir lanrexlan

I dey miss alexis for this thread o

lanrexlan: Mr boleanprophet muhammed(pbuh) isn't the founder of Islam.

No prophet ever founded any religion,they all came to preach one thing-THERE's NO DEITY WORTHY OF WORSHIP EXCEPT THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE(ALLAH)

They want to islamize the nation and killing of those people will turn them to muslims? Can a dead man worship? Can't you think at all?

What did prophet muhammed(pbuh) did? He fought the enemies of Islam,ALLAH and those that fought him on the account of his religion,the oppressors and transgressors.

Mister,USA is the greatest terrorist in the world,do you that?!!! George washington was the number terrorist of america.

Mr bolean,I can see you are really following jesus(pbuh),[s]he believed and worshiped only God,he bowed in his worship[/s]

He never believe in trinity

he never clap nor beat drums.Which of his teachings do you follow?

lanrexlan: Mister,we don't need bible to validate islam or quran.

If christians claim they don't believe in the quran,then at least you believe in the bible.Then we prove the truth to you from the scripture you follow

,and it's none of your business if I had posted something before...

tintingz: so what will you say about Boko Haram, Al-qaeda etc are they truly muslims that follows the teachings of Quran and Sunnah of the Prophet(sa)

Study Islam and not the muslims! If truly you accept that those crusaders that wore cross during their war are not christians?

also apart from that it has been proving for u several time in these forum that THE REAL INJEEL HAS BEEN LOST.If you didnt believe that, you get a long way to go.

I CAN'T BE FORCED TO BELIEVE A LIE MADE BY YOU!
YOU HAVE NOT PROVEN THAT IT WAS LOST!
IT WAS LOST? IT WAS CORRUPTED? WHICH ONE SHLD WE BELIEVE?
AND YET YOU ARE VALIDATING YOUR QURAN AND MOHAMMED FROM A LOST AND CORRUPTED BIBLE?


This is the right question you suppose to ask your present leader who contantly produce the fresh new version of bible every time.

JUST AS YOU HAVE DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE QURAN?

you also to have asked the dead one- AGAIN I DIDNT CLAIM THAT THEY ARE LOST-U DID AND YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO TELL US ONE NAME OF THOSE JEWS THAT LOST THE BIBLE.

Since bible is the pirated version of Injeel, it is very possible to still see some element of truth originated from injeel which your people forgot to touch
a word of truth like :
(HEAR URSELF NOW)
THOSE THAT SUPPORT MOHAMMED'S LIES? AND THOSE THAT VALIDATE QURAN? OR THOSE THAT DID NOT SUPPORT MOHAMMED'S LIES?

dont fornicate(TELL THAT TO MOHAMMED), dont steal(TELL THAT TO MOHAMMED AND BOKOHARAM),oneness of GOD ET.C(WE ALSO BELIEVE IN THAT TOO)

We can only know the truth word in this your current bible by a reference from the HOLY QURAN.
(YES NOW,THOSE THAT MOHAMMED COPIED RIGHT?)

Mark 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:


see reference from quran:

[b]"Say: He is Allah,(THE REFERENCE ABOVE DIDNT SAY ALLAH,IT SAYS GOD)
"He begets not, nor is He begotten.
(ITS A MISERY THAT MOHAMMED CAN'T UNDERSTAND NOW)

DO YOUR PERSONAL REASEACH ABOUT BIBLE AND U WILL BE CONVINCED THAT U NEED TO CHANGE YOUR MIND.
(I have done that along time ago,i have seen the TRUTH and i am free;you are the one in BONDAGE BUT JESUS CAN SET U FREE)


WE MUSLIM READ OUR QURAN VERY WELL THEN READ BIBLE TO EXPOSE YOU ALL(Or to validate the lies in it and see the lies ur prophet told you).

READ QURAN ALSO AND MAKE SURE YOU DONT QUOTE THEM OUT OF CONTEXT.
(TELL THAT TO BOKOHARAM,ALQUEDA,AND SAUDI OR IRAN ETC)

AbdH: Trinity has to be the most lucrative fraud of all time. Thanks be to Allah, we could have been swept off our feet by such preposterous doctrines as yours. You better seek God and stop confusing yourself and us.

Proffdada: You still don't get it, but i'll help you: you see as humans we tend to judge by the perception of our five senses but the spirit is what discerns beyond these, therefore God exists in three persons as you can analogize as three states of matter but unlike matter each one still exist within transition. I hope this explaination is noy too much for your primitive brain. God was,is and forever is One

Infoman51: You must be a learner there it goes : TERRORISM IN THEBIBLE
Deuteronomy
Chapter 2 :
33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34 And we took all his cities atthat time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. ( So Moses and his army killed womenand children. Moses broke the 6th commmandment, thou shall not kill ANYONE)
Deuteronomy
Chapter 7:
2 And when the LORD thy God shalldeliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroythem; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them
5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images,and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire. 6
Deuteronomy
Chapter 13
9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God
Numbers
Chapter 31
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man bylying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves ( almost all the Nigerian lady will be kill)
1Samuel 6:19-20
And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able tostand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up fromus?
1 Kings 20:35-36
Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man,"Strike me!" But the man refused tostrike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soonas you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked andkilled him.
What?!
Ezekiel 9:5-7
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile theTemple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."
Another massacare.
eremiah 51:20-26
"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers andoxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD.
Another massacre, same old story.
Exodus 21:20-21
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished,since the slave is his own property
So you can beat the hell out of your slave as long as the slave does not die, this is straight from the Bible

tintingz: you should cover yourself in shame, i didnt even bother reading those trash in that site... What does Jesus said about the law before him, from his word:


"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3)"

From these verses did he(Jesus) ignored the LAW before him? Did he brought a new law?

tintingz: They are christians the crusaders wore cross, held cross to show that they are real christians fighting for christiandom!

tintingz: hahahaha! and christians will tell us the crusaders didnt fought for christiandom, that christians dont kill for their god, remember the crusader also killed many jews the chosen people in your bible

Evangelist Adolf hitler also plan to destroy the entire jews on earth

CAMEROONPRIDE: So you mean, you can't present and explain your religion(Islam) without mentioning Christianity?

How so? How do you know the guys insulting your religion is Christian? Do you know the amount of abuses Christian receive? What if they say all the offenders are Muslim?
As for Muslim who doesn't insult Jesus my guys Jesus is not the only one in Christianity , you may respect Jesus, but I have seen several times your lots rubbish the bible, insulting Mary etc, so don't try to play the innocent victim.

tintingz: you should ask the christians same question...

novicali: Isah is not the name of Jesus... the Arabs and the Hebrews are first cousins and the language up to date inter-related. How Muslims or Koran go the name Isah as Jesus name is unfounded. We know that Jesus is a Greek language, and the real Hebrew name or Jewish name of Jesus is Yelshuwa and this name has the same meaning in Arabic langauage, and Arab Christians address Jesus by this name.

AbdH: So Christians killed to regain a city? Why didn't they turn the other cheek? No doubt that the bible inspired them to kill. Let me pay you back in your own coins: the crusaders have always been the real Christians for they follow(ed) the bible with zest. The rest of you are just pretenders who profess fake love just so you can lure the weak to polytheism.

lanrexlan: Wecome mr 'copy and paste',know nothing about islam quoting verses out of context.This is your answer.This verse has been misquoted in a manner similar to other verses
to prove terrorism in Islam and to make people hate it.It is also
historically out of context.
The full context is:
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the
Pagans wherever ye find them and seize them,beleaguer them,
and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war);but if they
repent and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity,
then open the way for them:for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most
Merciful.If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum,
grant it to him,so that he may hear the word of Allah and
then escort him to where he can be secure.That is
because they are men without knowledge. How can there be for
the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His
Messenger except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-
Masjid al-Haram?So as long as they are upright toward you,
be upright toward them.Indeed,Allah loves the righteous
[who fear Him]. " [Quran 9:5-7]
The verse once again refers to those pagans who would continue
to fight after the period of peace.It clearly commands the
Muslims to protect those who seek peace and are non-
combatants.It is a specific verse with a specific ruling and can in
no way be applied to general situations. The command of the
verse was only to be applied in the event of a battle.As Abdullah
Yusuf Ali writes:
The emphasis is on the first clause: it is only when the four
months of grace are past, andthe other party show no
sign of desisting from their treacherous design by
right conduct, that the state of war supervenes-
between Faith and Unfaith. (Yusuf Ali, The Holy Qur’an,
Text, Translation and Commentary, emphasis added)
Dr. Maher Hathout gives an explanation on the historical context
of the verse:
This verse was revealed towards the end of the revelation
period and relates to a limited context.Hostilities were
frozen for a three-month period during which the Arabs
pledged not to wage war. Prophet Muhammad was
inspired to use this period to encourage the combatants to
join the Muslim ranks or, if they chose, to leave the area
that was under Muslims rule; however,if they were to
resume hostilities, then the Muslims would fight
back until victorious.One is inspired to note that even in
this context of war,the verse concludes by emphasizing
the divine attributes of mercy and forgiveness.To
minimize hostilities,the Qur'an ordered Muslims to grant
asylum to anyone,even an enemy, who sought refuge.
Asylum would be granted according to the customs of
chivalry; the person would be told the message of the
Qur'an but not coerced into accepting that message.
Thereafter, he or she would be escorted to safety
regardless of his or her religion. (9:6). (Hathout, Jihad vs.
Terrorism; US Multimedia Vera International, 2002,
pp.52-53, emphasis added)
Ibn al-`Arabi, in his commentary on the Qur’an, writes:
“It is clear from this that the meaning of this verse is to kill
the paganswho are waging war against
you.” (Ahkam al-Qur’an: 2/456, emphasis added)
The verse 13 of the same chapter makes it clear that it is a self
defensive verse revealed by Allah
“Will you not fight people who broke their covenants and plotted
to expel the Messenger and attacked you first?” [Sûrah al-Tawbah:
13]