₦airaland Forum

alexis: Can you provide a reference or a COPY of the LOST Bible/Injeel please. You have said many times the Bible is Corrupt, that is not new. All you are doing is copying and pasting. Please provide a link to the LOST Injeel if you can. That is the only way you can CONFIRM if the present BIBLE is corrupt.

THE VERY SAME QURAN SAID THAT CHRISTIANS SHOULD/MUST JUDGE BY THE GOSPEL - Surah 5:47. That is everything a Christian does should be done using the Bible.

Now, muslims say - the Bible is corrupt - We ask them if it is, where is the original version or the lost version. NO MUSLIM ALIVE OR DEAD can give anyone the LOST Bible. So, we ask them - how can you claim something is corrupt when you can't back it up with the original version. They responded - not all part of the corrupt bible is corrupt. Anything in the corrupt bible that agrees with Islam and the Quran is the part that is not corrupt.

We find that hard to believe because if a fruit is rotten/bad/corrupt - you can't eat parts of it - the whole fruit is bad. So muslims are going around in circles when you can't provide authoritative proof that Christian Bible is corrupt. We ask that muslims obey Allah in Surah 5:47

[size=15pt]Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein[/size]. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

We are asking muslims to obey Allah

abi now... But they just continue move about i.e roam in a circle...saying the same thing over and over again!
D bible is corrupt(and the quran says it is not,and it later says the jew threw it away, and later say allah gave it to themplease when did they throw it away,was it when allah gave it to them?) yet you continue to quote from it to validate urs-what is that?


Shalom.

alexis: I think that would be a good approach. However, no amount of scholarship proof on my side would allow you see otherwise. Let me offer a suggestion - a prominent muslim scholar debated a prominent Christian doctor on this VERY topic. Would you like to review the findings. It is safe to say that both scholars are more versed than both of us - right?

you are right,they will not c otherwise...wait a minute,which Bible do u wana analyse?the 'original' or the 'lost'@laxtran?

lanrexlan: Mr 'copy and paste',point out one of my posts where I contradicted the quran or called ALLAH a liar(nausoubillah)if you are truthful.I took my time to explain all the verses you raised about JIHAD,but I don't think you even read it at all,even if you read you can't comprehend it because your brain is working anti-Clockwisely...Peace

i dnt think i need ur message-send it to the boko-haram-bcus they are d one that can convince us about ur jihad story-they are d true follower of islam and mohammed.
Send ur message to them in afganistan,iran,iraq,malaysia,saudi-arabia-they need them gannn...they are the ones telling us what jihad means,they are the ones preaching the quran not YOU!

alexis: Most muslims don't like us to talk about the raids that Mohammed engineered and took part in. But can muslims deny history.

The caravans of Mecca passed by Medina on their way to and from Damascus, full of merchandise and goods. Mohammed and his followers (muslims) would set an ambush for them, quickly robbing and killing the merchants. It is regrettable that the first job Mohammed, the spiritual leader of Islam had in Medina was robbing caravans and killing merchants.

Yet NL muslims want us to believe that whenever Mohammed fought, he was defending himself - WE KNOW THAT IS NOT TRUE BECAUSE HISTORY SAYS OTHERWISE.

Mohammed first raid was known as the raid of Al-Iwa', where he assaulted a camel caravan that belonged to some Quraishis (Reference = See the Life of the Messenger by Imam Muhammed bin Abd Al-Wahab, page 85)

The 2nd raid was known as Bawat, where he assaulted a caravan from Mecca led by Umia bin Khalaf, which he succeeded in robbing

In the 3rd raid, know as Al-Ashira, a caravan going to Damascus was assaulted by Mohammed and his followers
with the intent to rob it only but ended up killing 5 of it's men during the robbery.

HOW CAN A PROPHET OF GOD BE ENGAGED IN ARMED ROBBERY AND MURDER?. Does that sound different from Boko Haram or Ansaru?

These are just few examples Oh

and they are comparing him with JESUS CHRIST-i laugh...even Jesus disciples are better than that... A prophet who doesn't knw where he will end up-whether heaven or hell...i am even short of words...

alexis: Asking question with another question. Not answering the question, evading it and re-affirming the VIOLENCE in Islam. Can you tell us which Crusaders are in Northern Nigeria please. While at it - can you answer the question please

Here is the question again - [size=15pt]Would Northern Nigeria be a better/safer/peaceful place if Boko Haram were Evangelical Christians?[/size]

that is what they know how To do best;they point fingers bt decided to close their eyes to their own contradictions and lies-they c christainity as a threat to their religion,therefore they do everything to bring christainity down-but it won't work-so many ppl have tried it and THEY FAIL!

lanrexlan: Brother,nobody is using the quran to judge the bible,ALLAH(swt)has given us the final instruction manual(quran),a guide for the whole of mankind.We don't need the bible,it's because you christians don't wanna believe in the quran,then at least you believed the bible.Then we prove to you from the book you believed in.

Brother,muhammed(pbuh)was an unlettered man,can't read nor write.But it's a miracle,a revelation being delivered to an illiterate.See your ignorance now,your bible even confirmed muhammed(pbuh)being an illiterate.
Book of Isaiah 29;12-''and the Book is delivered to HIM that's not learned,saying read this,i pray thee and HE said I am not learned''.
Which book is being referred to? The glorious quran,who's the unlearned? Prophet muhammed(pbuh).When the first revelation came to muhammed(pbuh)in cave hira,angel told him read,read and HE replied I am not learned.
Hope that answers your questions....Peace

lol @ Isaiah,using the lost 'isaiah' to validate Mohammed...good one bro...thank God u have seen the 'lost' part of the bible.
Now let me ask u d same question alexis ask u- the verse u quote up there;is that the original bible or corrupt one?

tintingz: The True Meaning of "Jihad"

Jihad is usually associated with Islam and Muslims, but in fact, the concept of Jihad is found in all religions including Christianity, Judaism and political/economic ideologies, such as, Capitalism, Socialism, Communism, etc. Islam defines Jihad as striving and struggling for improvement as well as fighting back to defend one's self, honor, assets and homeland.

Also, Jihad is interpreted as the struggle against evil, internal or external of a person or a society. Jihad, in Islam, means doing any or all but not limited to the following: Learn, teach, and practice Islam in all aspects of one's life at all times to reach the highest and best education in order to benefit oneself, family and society.
Be a messenger of Islam everywhere, in every behavior and action. Fight evil, wrongdoing, and injustice with all one's power by one's hand (action), with one's tongue (speech), or at least with one's heart (prayer).

Respond to the call for Jihad with money, effort, wisdom and life; yet, never fight a Muslim brother, a Muslim country, or a non-Muslim society that respects its treaties and harbors no aggressive designs against Islam or Muslims. Suicide under any pretext is not condoned as Jihad in Islam. Converting people to Islam by force or coercion is never Jihad but a crime, punishable by law.

The concept of Muslim men rushing out to kill themselves to get "70 dancing virgins" in Paradise, is really quite silly. The fact of the matter is, the "companions of Paradise" are mentioned as being pure and so much above anything we might imagine on earth, so as to indicate to us they are perpetually "virgin" and are not "touched" by men or devils. The words "perpetual virgin" even in English, should give anyone the understanding these are not such as we have known on earth. There can be no mistaking the meaning in the Arabic language as to the purity and innocence of these companions.

The Levels of Jihad A personal struggle within one's self to submit to Allah, fight evil within one's self, achieve higher moral and educational standards - Inner Jihad.

Jihad against evil, injustice and oppression within one's self, family and society - Social Jihad.

Jihad against all that prevents Muslims from servitude to God (Allah), people from knowing Islam, defense of a Muslim society (country), retribution against tyranny, and/or when a Muslim is removed from their homeland by force - Physical Jihad or an armed struggle.

The Quran defines physical Jihad as being the highest level of Jihad that one can undertake. Its reward is eternal Paradise.

Muslims also know that all humans are accountable for what they have done during their life on this earth. Muslims will be asked about what they did with their lives and their level of submission to Allah on the Day of Judgment.

so jihad is found in christainity,budhism,hinduism?? Funny guy...abeg when last did you hear that a budha guy blew up himself in the name of his god?
Continue to decieve urself dear-and continue to contradict ur book and ur god-continue to show that he is not saying the truth sogbo...
Social jihad...no more defensive jihad...laxtran don lie b dt o!

talk2me006: WHICH AMONG your gods of trinity ORDER THOSE TERRORISM IN THOSE BIBLE VERSES I QUOTED FOR U OTHER TIME?

you answer that now,aren't you the teacher here ni-u are the one that say that we have three gods- why we say no we don't-so u shld be able to tell us which of them did that-otherwise you have no point...

lanrexlan: They do,I don't deny but seerah also gives explanations and the reasons why verses were been revealed.It's not a must that every quranic verse has an hadith to back it up,you can't see hadith to back then use seerah....Peace

no more quran,no more hadiths now we have seraah,it is good sha...but sorry friend,i c desperation here;u people are so desperate to validate ur book,that is why u attack the bible like anything,but lik i said,it is good sha...

lanrexlan: Brother,walah this is one thing I hate about you,the above verses you quoted have been thoroughly explained.Just go back and read the explanations if you want the truth...Peace

i won't stop saying it too,you are contradicting the quran,you are showing that ur god doesn't knw what he was doing-how could he say onething here and say another thing again-i don't mean what i said before-he is not a man now,or is he?

alexis: I am throwing this question out there to everyone - both Muslims and Christians alike:

[size=20pt]1. Would Northern Nigeria be a better/safer/peaceful place if Boko Haram were Evangelical Christians?[/size]

we all know the truth now-but thy will come and deny their brothers-the ones that follow mohammed teachings and lifestyles but they will NO...this ppl are funny but inwardly,they so happy!

talk2me006: WE CAN ONLY TAKE THE ONE THAT HAVE REFERENCES FROM ONLY QURAN.SINCE THE ORIGINAL COPY(INJEEL) HAS BEEN TAMPERED BY YOUR PEOPLE.

E.G DONT STEAL, DONT FORNICATE, DONT DIE AS A CHRISTIAN ETC

THE QUESTION IS..... DOES YOUR BIBLE WHICH U BELIEVE IN SUPPORT TRINITY. IF NO WAT ARE U STILL DOIN IN DAT RELIGION.

i think i understand,you can only take the one that favours Mohammed's ministry but the one that exposes him;the one that shows that he may be lying is Lost,right? That is good of you.

talk2me006: I TOLD YOU !
THEY WILL NEVA SEE IT.
MINTAYO WELDONE.
TRY AGAIN LATER

A day and night of fighting on the frontier is better than a month of fasting and prayers.
Swords are the keys to paradise.
He who draws his sword in the path of allah has sworn allegiance to allah.
The unbeliever and the one who kills him will never meet in hell.
Allah sent me as a mercy and a portent; he did not send me as a trader or as a cultivator.the worst community on the day of ressurection are the traders and the cultivators except those (of them) who are niggardly with their religion.
GO IN THE NAME OF ALLAH AND IN ALLAH AND IN THE RELIGION OF THE PROPHET OF ALLAH! DON NOT KILL THE VERY OLD,THE INFANT THE CHILD OR THE WOMAN. BRING ALL THE BOOTY(ABOVE MENTIONED),HOLDING BACK NO PART OF IT. MAINTAIN ORDER AND DO GOOD,FOR ALLAH LOVES THOSE WHO DO GOOD.
IF YOU FIND 'the tithe collector', kill him.
Expel the christain and the Jews from the arabian peninsula...

(hadith of kanz Al-Muttaqi, Vol. II, pp 252-286).

What did i do? Those are not my words now!

Shalom.

tintingz: [size=18pt]SLAVERY IS AUTHORIZED IN THE BIBLE BY THE BIBLE GOD!!![/size]

Leviticus 25:44-46
"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way".

Exodus 21:2-6
"If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever".

Exodus 21:7-11
"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment".


Exodus 21:20-21
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property".

Ephesians 6:5
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ".

1 Timothy 6:1-2
"Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them".

Luke 12:47-48
"The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given."

lool...i have seen this one before,i quess,ayenni gave this to you...good one bro!
Why not help ur helpless brothers instead derailing from ur 'contradictions'.

Shalom.

talk2me006: ONE MORE THING:


[b]Consider the following incident mentioned in the Bible:

"And behold, one came and said unto him, ‘Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?’

And he said unto him, ‘Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.’ "
[The Bible, Mathew 19:16-17]


MY ANALYSIS

Jesus (pbuh) did not say that to have the eternal life of paradise, man should believe in him as Almighty God or worship him as God, or believe that Jesus (pbuh) would die for his sins. On the contrary he said that the path to salvation was through keeping the commandments. It is indeed striking to note the difference between the words of Jesus Christ (pbuh) and the Christian dogma of salvation through the sacrifice of Jesus (pbuh).

ALEXIS AND CO WHY ARE YOU BRAINWASHING PEOPLE WITH BLOOD OF JESUS?

QUESTION: Does jesus talk about blood here?
please think well.



the commandment said above is belive in oneness of God. not trinity.

[/b]
peace............

looooool...i cnt just help but laugh,it is like you ppl like the Bible so much-you use it to validate the quran and ur prophet and you also condemn it(that is very funny)-so much more for a lost 'injil'...looool.
Concerning those verses,why not read(since you are already a Bible teacher) the whole chapter and hear JESUS response...guy you make me laugh...i wonder what mohammed would have said if he were to be the one in Jesus shoes...(i am jus curious ni o)

shalom.

talk2me006: LOL!

boolean ! boolean!
i have come across many christians explaining this trinity in many funny ways.boolean again!
it is now glaring that your religion is a confused one

let me correct your notion:

God is One

The following verse from the book of Deuteronomy contains an exhortation from Moses (pbuh):

"Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adna Ikhad".
It is a Hebrew quotation which means: "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord"
[The Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4]
let me ask u
now proffada! let me ask u, is there any confusion in the above verse.[The Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4].

tell me where did u see ur trinity.mr man think very well dont be brainwashed.



see this also from quran:
The Most Concise Definition of God

"Say: He is Allah,

The One and Only.

"Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.

"He begets not, nor is He begotten.

And there is none like unto Him."

[Al-Qur’an 112:1-4].


PEACE...........

yes now,we all know that,Allah is one-i am not even disputing that!
And i am sure ur Allah is not equal to the ALMIGHTY GOD OF THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK(JEWS AND CHRISTAINS),because he hates them so much that He said his prophet should kill them;except there is another allah!

And dear, check the previous post,i have given a simple illustration(given to me by a muslim-convert) and definition of the Trinity...so don't derail from what we are saying...bcus i v learnt so much from this thread...LOL

Shalom.

lanrexlan: ,Brother where's your proof that said prophet muhammed(pbuh)break the peace treaty? The truth is that, many people even some
muslims inclusive have the misconceptions
that any war fought by muslims whether
good or bad is called 'Jihad'.Brother,so any war fought by muslims is JIHAD?If you
translate 'Jihad' into Arabic Language is called
'Harabun Muqaddasa',but surprisingly no
where does this word 'Harabun Muqaddasa'
exist in the Qur'an or Authentic Hadith.
Meanwhile,'Jihad' is derived from the Arabic
word 'Jahdah' which means 'to strive &
struggle'.In fact in the full context,Jihad
basically means to strive & struggle against
one's own evil inclination.It basically means
to strive & struggle to make society better. It
basically means to strive & struggle against
oppression. It also means to strive & struggle
in the battle front in self defence.I'm aware
one of the forms of Jihad is Qital which is
fighting in the way of Almighty GOD in the
battle front,which even @ that you can only
fight those who fought you (that is the way
of GOD) strictly in the battle field against
oppression & aggression.But generally
speaking 'Jihad' does not basically mean
'Holy War' or killing innocent lives as most
people think.Brother talktome has said it all,it's like a waste of time arguing with you because you won't accept the truth...Peace brother.Muhammed(pbuh)wasn't the author of the quran,and nothing was my own interpretation.It's the interpretation of islamic scholars.

interpretations of islamic scholars? That got me thinking.
So,it is no more defence of ur 'muslim' country again but defense during battles? You see,you are contradicting urself again my dear.

These are the things most of ur scholars tried to do,they see that the wars or better put 'raids' of mohammed tarnishes their images,so they(Deedat and co) say many contraditory things and at the end,they become confused and make ppl call ur god a lie!

Mohammed spread his religion by 'Jihad'.

After he fought his 1st jihad with d meccans&looted them(d nakhla raid before d popular battle of badr-which came later),he was encouraged as a results of his victory;and later covenants were made btw him&d meccans not to fight for some yrs; bt mohammed cancelled the covenants with those made with the jews in Yathrib.

Shaykh (sheikh) Abdullah bin Muhammad bin hamid the chief Justice of Saudi Arabia Said:
then allah revealed in sura Bara'at (repentance IX) the order to discard (all) obligations(covenants, etc) and commanded the muslims to fight all the pagans as well as against the people of the scriptures(jews and christains) IF THEY DO NOT ACCEPT ISLaM,till they pay the Jizya.

My friend please stop these contradictions and accept the TRUTH!

Shalom

talk2me006: welcome pastor olempe!
You need to know more of those verses in your bible.
is like you want to answer the question which hav not been answered by ur oga at the top.
it is either u explain this terrorism verses with proof or remain ignorance for life....

[b]TERRORISM IN THE BILBLE

TERRORISM IN THE BIBLE

Deuteronomy
Chapter 2 :
33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. ( So Moses and his army killed women and children. Moses broke the 6th commmandment, thou shall not kill ANYONE)

Deuteronomy
Chapter 7:
2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them
5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire. 6

Deuteronomy
Chapter 13
9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God

Numbers
Chapter 31
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves ( almost all the Nigerian lady will be kill)

1Samuel 6:19-20
And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us?

1 Kings 20:35-36
Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him.

What?!

Ezekiel 9:5-7
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."

Another massacare.

eremiah 51:20-26
"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD.
Another massacre, same old story.

Exodus 21:20-21
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property

So you can beat the hell out of your slave as long as the slave does not die, this is straight from the Bible.[/b]


pls pastor olempe!
kindly explain those above sentenses!

i repeat, if u cant remain silent foreva .

I think Alexis gave a wonderful definition of who you are-follow-follow!
And until you pple stop listening to the 'lies' ur ogas at the top tell u abt christainity,i believe you still have a long way to go-guy put up a thinking-cap and think for yourself-i believ you are a man!
I have seen those bible passages being recycled by ur muslim brothers-think for yourself man or are u not a man!
Anyways if you want ur questions answer on those verses,then open another thread otherwise just keep it to urself!
Think man,THINK!

SHALOM.

Heatblast: Doesn't matter what your Jewish deity did so long as christianity comforms with the english definition of the religion, the case is stamped and settled;

religion[ ri-lij-uhn ]
noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

http://m.dictionary.com/d/?q=religion

That dictionary definition just confirmed what i said-religion is MAN-MADE ATTEMPT TO SAVE HIMSELF.

Jesus did not bring religion.

alexis: Block for Truth? Omo - are you speaking English? Did you mean to say "Block to the truth"?

What truth - THAT ISLAM CONTRADICTS ITSELF. Now we all know that is TRUE

they just showed us that now-THE TRUTH.

alexis: Block for Truth? Omo - are you speaking English? Did you mean to say "Block to the truth"?

What truth - THAT ISLAM CONTRADICTS ITSELF. Now we all know that is TRUE

you see that,i didnt bother answering them again(laxtran and talktome); the guy could not just stop 'digging' his own pits. Kept repeating the same thing again and again(in another form)-calling their god a lie-i don't know whether he knows more than him...Allah said this,you say he didnt mean it that way when it is so glaring! (no consistency,contradictions and no arrangements-verses and chapters scattered),and it is a book from a god!
May the Lord open their eyes.

Shalom.

rhymz: Now I am going to worsen your mental delusions by pointing clear lies by your biblical God;
Let Me Start with:
Gen 3 vs 6
In this delusional biblical verse, God warns Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit from the tree of evil, that if they do they will die. Funny enough, it is worthy to note that thesame Adam lived for 930 years according to thesame bible in
Genesis 5 vs 5. Apparently, God lied to Adam to scare him, in fact, the Devil was actually the one that told Adam the truth.
Here is another big lie from your "big God" :
2. Gen 4 vs 16
According to this 4cking verse, as punishment for killing his brother, Cain will be a vagabond and a fugitive "Yet in just a few verses ( Gen 4:16-17)
Cain will settle down, marry, have a son, and build a city. . .lol. . This is not the activity one would expect from a fugitive and a vagabond. Abi your God forget to administer im punishment ni?
You need more lies from your God??

my brother,the death there is not a physical death;if you read that part well,you will know that they(adam and eve) were both naked and they knew it not-but the moment they ate the fruits,their eyes were opened(spiritual death);hence sin entered into the world-the death there is a spiritual death(they were cut-off from relationship with God)-same thing go for christain today;if we sin,we will be cut-off from God except we ask for forgiveness and repent.

Same thing goes for cain-he was banished from the Presence of God! Read vs 23 and 24 of that same chapter.
Jesus loves you BIG BIG.

rhymz: Now I am going to worsen your mental delusions by pointing clear lies by your biblical God;
Let Me Start with:
Gen 3 vs 6
In this delusional biblical verse, God warns Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit from the tree of evil, that if they do they will die. Funny enough, it is worthy to note that thesame Adam lived for 930 years according to thesame bible in
Genesis 5 vs 5. Apparently, God lied to Adam to scare him, in fact, the Devil was actually the one that told Adam the truth.
Here is another big lie from your "big God" :
2. Gen 4 vs 16
According to this 4cking verse, as punishment for killing his brother, Cain will be a vagabond and a fugitive "Yet in just a few verses ( Gen 4:16-17)
Cain will settle down, marry, have a son, and build a city. . .lol. . This is not the activity one would expect from a fugitive and a vagabond. Abi your God forget to administer im punishment ni?
You need more lies from your God??

my brother,the death there is not a physical death;if you read that part well,you will know that they(adam and eve) were both naked and they knew it not-but the moment they ate the fruits,their eyes were opened(spiritual death);hence sin entered into the world-the death there is a spiritual death(they were cut-off from relationship with God)-same thing go for christain today;if we sin,we will be cut-off from God except we ask for forgiveness and repent.

Same thing goes for cain-he was banished from the Presence of God! Read vs 23 and 24 of that same chapter.
Jesus loves you BIG BIG.

musKeeto: *head falls off*

Been laffing...very funny dude.
Though you don't believe in God,i just like you...you are a good man,with a good heart(i may be wrong though); but being good isn't enough-you have to be saved-accept Jesus into your life!

I love you...Jesus loves you MORE!

(Still laffing@*head falls off*)

Heatblast: You hate religion but you love Jesus ... it's just like saying you hate sport but love football

religion and Jesus are not the same.
RELIGION is a man-made attempt to save himself; but REDEMPTION (through JESUS) is God's way of saving man!

They are two different thing-Jesus didnt bring religion but He brought reconciliation(to God) and salvation (for man)!

Until we know the difference then God help christainity!

lanrexlan: I can see how ignorant you are,I have nothing to say on this again,where in my did I call ALLAH a liar? Subhanallah,you denied the quran and it's high time I left this forum.Salam alaikum.....Peace

you don't have to 'say' it now!
And none of you have given me a reason to accept it!
Shalom.

lanrexlan: One thing I noticed about alexis is that he loves starring at the obvious truth,no wonder your christian brother even condemn you for that(remember the first time I debated concerning prophet saleh(pbuh)'s miracle).you failed to admit it to be a miracle....Guidance comes from only ALLAH....Peace brother.

please where is the truth? That the quran contradicts itself?
That the jews and christains threw away their book-a book given to them by allah(which they still have today-Bible),yet allah's prophet curse them?he also said you shld kill them if they don't accept him...AND YOU CALL THAT THE TRUTH?
LET ME TELL YOU THE TRUTH-THE TRUTH IS THAT "YOU KNOW THE TRUTH BUT YOU DECIDED TO FOLLOW LIES''.
ANOTHER TRUTH- JESUS LOVES YOU NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY AGAINST HIM.

Shalom dear.

lanrexlan: Thank you brother tintingz for your support,after all the point I have provided it's still baffles some people don't understand.Not your fault their faults,guidance comes only from ALLAH.No matter how harder I try to explain to you,you won't understand because ALLAH's guidance hasn't come.Ours is to deliever the message,only ALLAH guide...ALLIAMUADULILAH I'm a muslim.......Peace brother.

you have not explain anything,you have only expose the contradiction in ur book and call ur god a lie...may he forgive you.

tintingz: The bible god is something else... carnibalism?? Eeyuk!! what kinda god will be so wicked or is it the handy work of the authors of the bible? Read:


Leviticus 26:29 You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters.

Deuteronomy 28:53 Because of the suffering that your enemy will inflict on you during the siege, you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the LORD your God has given you.

Deuteronomy 28:56-57 The most gentle and sensitive woman among you?so sensitive and gentle that she would not venture to touch the ground with the sole of her foot?will begrudge the husband she loves and her own son or daughter the afterbirth from her womb and the children she bears. For she intends to eat them secretly during the siege and in the distress that your enemy will inflict on you in your cities.

2 Kings 6:29 So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we may eat him,' but she had hidden him."

Jeremiah 19:9 I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, and they will eat one another's flesh during the stress of the siege imposed on them by the enemies who seek their lives.'

Lamentations 2:20 "Look, O LORD, and consider: Whom have you ever treated like this? Should women eat their offspring, the children they have cared for? Should priest and prophet be killed in the sanctuary of the Lord?

Lamentations 4:10 With their own hands compassionate women have cooked their own children, who became their food when my people were destroyed.

Ezekiel 5:10 Therefore in your midst fathers will eat their children, and children will eat their fathers. I will inflict punishment on you and will scatter all your survivors to the winds.


The christians and the jews should explain these disgusting scriptures of their Jehova god!!

funny guy,now you are resolving to defense...or should i say jihad?
In your despiration you have posted what ur 'ogas at the top' gave you without reading the whole chapter or book(you won't anyway since it is lost...lol) yourself?
We are not talking about the Bible here mate-if you want me to answer that,open another thread in the christain forum...don't feel defeated;its not one of Mohammed characteristics!

NB-you are contradicting Allah again;he didnt say you shld do this to the bible! Is that not a sin?


Peace my brother!

lanrexlan: Brother,I challenge to point out the arabic word for ''holy war'' in the quran,if you are truthful.JIHAD means to strive and struggle in the way of ALLAH with your Life and wealth,to fight against oppression

(LET ME FOLLOW WHAT YOU SAID:: PLEASE LOOK UP THE MEANING OF STRIVE AND STRUGGLING IN THE DICTIONARY!
LIFE-THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW; WEALTH-SAME THING,IRAN IS SPONSORING TERRORISTS AND FIGHTING DAILY WITH THE JEWS!
WHICH OPPRESSION? TALKING AGAINST QURAN IS OPPRESSION? DRAWING THE DIAGRAM OF MOHAMMED IS OPPRESSION?).

Allah said in the glorious quran in surah Al-baqarah 2;109-''Many of the people of the scriptures(Jews and Christians) wish that if they could turn away you as disbelievers after you have believed,out of envy from their own selves,even after the truth has become manifest to them.But forgive and overlook till ALLAH brings his command.Verily,ALLAH is able to do all things''.[/quote](THEN DEAR,I STILL STAND MY GROUND,YOUR ALLAH IS NOT CONSISTENCE AND HIS BOOK IS CONTADICTORY-HOW WILL A GOD SAY SOMETHING NOW AND SAY ANOTHER THING AGAIN I.E HE REPENTS OF HIS WORDKILL THEM FOR ME, OKAY DON'T KILL THEM AGAIN,I HAVE CHANGED MY MIND).


We realised the form of JIHAD in above verse is forgiveness.The concept of JIHAD keeps changing from time to time.[/quote](JIHAD CHANGES=DOES THE QURAN CHANGES TOO?),

you said when khadijat(RA) and Abu muttalib died,muslims fled makkah for medina,brother muslims didn't fled,ALLAH instructed them to leave makkah,they(pagans of makkah)were killing muslims and the rest of muslims wanted to fight back but ALLAH said NO,migrate to medina and leave makkah for them.[/quote](WAS THE QURAN GIVEN TO HIM BEFORE OR AFTER HE LEFT?
AGAIN WHAT I QUOTE FOR YOU IS IN THE QURAN PLS CHECK BEFORE YOU CALL ALLAH A LIE AGAIN).

That type of JIHAD is patience.[/quote](YES NOW AXIS HAD MADE A CLEAR ANALYSIS,PATIENCE WHEN THEY ARE FEW,BUT WHEN YOU ARE MUCH THAN THEM,KILL THEM UNTIL THEY ACCEPT ALLAH-I PITY AMERICA-YOU ARE CALLING HIM A LIE AGAIN).

One day,the wife of muhammed(pbuh) Aisha(RA) came to the prophet and asked;Can a woman participate in a war? The prophet replied;The best type of JIHAD for women is to perform hajj perfectly[/quote](YOU MEAN OPPRESSION LIKE in iran or 'lack' of freedom SAUDI? AND AGAIN WAS THE QURAN GIVEN BEFORE OR AFTER THEN)...

LIKE AXIS SAID,YOU ARE JUST ROAMING IN A CIRCLE;YOU ARE CONTRADICTING YOURSELF AND THE QURAN-YOU ARE DESPERATELY LOOKING FOR A WAY OUT BUT IN THE PROCESS YOU CALLING ALLAH A LIE,IS THAT NOT A SIN?


Shalom.

lanrexlan: @Brother alexis,this is the concept of JIHAD you asked for.There's nothing like holy war in
islam.If you don't understand the concept
of JIHAD,just don't take words from the
media or what people do say.The arabic
word 'JIHAD' means to strive and to
struggle.The arabic word for 'holy war'
cannot be found in a single verse of the
quran.Allah commanded every muslim to
carry out JIHAD,to strive and struggle in the way
of Allah with your wealth and your
life in order to make the society a better place,free from oppression and people are free to choose their religion.During the lifetime of our beloved
prophet muhammed(pbuh),the common
type of jihad then was fighting,most of all
the wars muhammed(pbuh)participated
in was in self defence.As Allah said in the
glorious quran in surah Al-baqarah
2;190-192-'and fight in the way of Allah
those who fight you,but transgress not
the limits.Truly,Allah likes not the
transgressors.And kill them wherever you
find them,turn them out where they have
turned you out.And al fitnah(oppresion) is worse
than killing.And fight not with them at al
masjid al-haram unless they first attacked
you there.But if they attack you,then kill
them.Such is the recompense of
disbelievers.But if they cease,then Allah is
oft-forgiving most merciful'.So the above
verses are telling muslims to fight in self
defence and fight against oppression,tell me what's wrong with that?'.Hope that answers your question...Peace brother.

my dear brother,please you need to go and find more details about Jihad(and probably learn more about arabic);it is in ur book,except you are claiming(not me but you) that there are contradictions in it;lets observe this very carefully...

Jihad(Muslim holy war) is ordained for you(muslims) and you disliked it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you.Allah knows but you do not know.( Sura 2:216 Al Hilali and Mushin Khan).

This is the 1st revelation of Allah to Mohammed when he first mobilized for jihad when he was looking for a way to convince his followers who fled and settled with him in Taif and later Yathrib(medina) after the death of his powerful wife(khadijah) and uncle(Abu talib) both of which meccans were afraid of.
HE DEFEATED them OFCOURSE AND OBVIOUSLY LOOTED THEM AND THSI ENCOURAGE THEM FOR OTHER JIHAD(THAT IS NOT DEFENSIVE MY BROTHER).
I don't want to go further because you people know the truth but you are just shying away from it.
There are so many jihad made by mohammed and Allah approved of them in the quran.
Reading Surah 9:41,allah told muslims to 'strive hard with your wealth and YOUR LIVES in His cause...(no wonder Iran is sponsoring terrorism and yet the citizens are sufferring).
What about those who had lost their lives(killed or you want examples?) in 'speaking against islam'? IS THAT DEFENSIVE??-WHO ARE YOU DEFENDING?
Servant of allah once said-''the purest joy in islam is to kill and be killed for allah".

"In order to achieve the victory of islam in the world,we need to PROVOKE repeated crises, restore value to the idea of DEATH and MARTYDOM. If iran has to vanish,that is not important. The important thing is to engulf the world in crises...1984;Ayatollah Khomeni.(pls don't tell me he is not a muslim).
My brother time will not permit me to continue...
But i will quickly add that your message of, 'jihad does not mean holy war' should be channelled to the appropriate quarters(i am sure you know what i mean),because those people need them more n they have not been able to convince us.

tintingz: alexis and co. you got served

not really,i think you just showed to us that there are contradiction in ur quran after all,that ur allah is not consistent,(atleast from laxtran post)that he(allah) changes his mind rapidly and you(not me) called him a lie?
Now i know one thing-for sure(even though i know before)-CONTRADICTIONS(IN THE QURAN) AND INCONSISTENCY(BY THE WRITER)-EXCEPT IF OUR BROTHER LAXTRAN IS LYING!

SHALOM.