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ifeness: There we go again, he cannot reason without the Quran. *shaking my head*

No point talking to you......your brain is on permanent vacation

druid06: I don't understand Arabic so I can't read the Quran, where else would I get my information from except from anti-Islamic websites as you call them. Thanks for clarifying my afforementioned contradictories. I still have more but I will let it slide for now. BTW, I am not a Christian. I have no religion. I'm more like a free thinker and I take values from all religion that matches my idea about GOD. I would say I have a relationship with GOD in my own way. If you think the Bible is not Holy because of the horrors and contradictories then my friend, I would then say the Quran too is not Holy. I by no means is trying to put a dent on your religion or something. I'm just saying. There are some overwhelming facts the user Desika has made that no muslim on this thread has successfully been able to counter.

ayenny02: Can u tell me where prophet (saw) said they shud read Bible if they don't understand Quran? You don't have proof

Luke 1:2-3
2 just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word delivered them to us, 3 it seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write to you an orderly account, most excellent Theophilus,

If Luke said he himself was not an eyewitness and the knowledge he gathered was from eyewitness and not as words inspired by God, do you still believe the Bible is God's word?

TechyGuy: I saw the post earlier but decided to not bother reply you as it is obvious you didnt ask to learn but for mischief.
I have tried it before, it doesn't yield much progress. I only post that comment because that fellow tried to mislead people and a single post can stop it from happening.
As for yours, I would have to pick each verse and put them back into context and explain to you but I must admit, knowing that you didnt ask to learn, there is no need.
And explaining the new testament part will be very difficult. This is the reason:

1 Corinthians 2
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

olumidazz: @talk2me006 and tintinz, if u knew who I am u would dare not insult so I forgive you for that. I hv asked you to disprove desika in all he has portended here based on logical myths or common reasoning even though they are without facts. Ayeni an lyrix hv not made any sense with their contributions, desika had dealt with their delusions succinctly. It is not enough to just say desika is confused when infact you have not disprove his points, if and when you do, only then would you have convinced a whole lot of rational thinkers how confused desika is. That's my point.

ayenny02: I don't need sorry MAN, please explain those above verses to me and bring any contradiction in Quran if you can?

ayenny02: WHO'S SON? Sorry man u can't defend it just accept that ur Bible is ...........

galadima77: after reading through d debate.....i'm a better muslim. Allahu akbar

kq: @deSika so one of your arguments says that because the Prophet's grandpa who was an idolator named his son Abdullah and since Abdullah means servant of Allah and him being an idolator then Allah is an idol.

My response:
Please try and make some effort to study the Pre-Islamic religious deities of the Arabs. They did not have any idol called Allah as they identified the word Allah with a supreme being. Just as Yorubas who were idolators identified the word Olorun (Olu-orun) as the supreme being does that mean christians or Yorubas who name their kids with the prefix Olu are referring to an idol. Well i guess you know the answer to that. The proper historical context is that Arabs and Jews being descendants of father Abraham at one time or the other identified a supreme being called Yah Weh or Allah but of course somewhere along the line they strayed e.g. The Israelites carving an idol for themselves after being delivered from Egypt. Like i said a proper historical context would have helped you instead of re-hashing the same old story from antagonists of Islam.

I really dont know where you got your story from that the Arabs referred to one of their deities as Allah when they had a pantheon of gods just like the greeks. even each family or tribe has or had its own god they dedicated themselves to. So even if one tribe referred to Hubal as Al-ilah does that mean another tribe accepted that? Besides if an Arab christian tells you that God in the Arabic language is Allah can you claim to know the language more than speaker? here is a challenge can you provide the etymology of the word Allah then?

rezzy: Hope you passed your jamb o?

abu0710102013: our muslim bethren todays JIHAD is that is that of the pen let us try as much as possible to use wisely. I would like our muslim brother to put their comment on the topic which i just posted : is jesus God?

aurenflani: Desika is a sorry sick mind! Lies are not a way to proslytise ur religion in tje sense that it never help you get new converts. On the contrary it opens the eyes of the curious christians who sincerely start to perus through the Qur'an and subsequently revert to Islam. This is true study the rapid conversion to Islam amongst Americans and Europeans, you will see what I am saying.

Mamacita007: I have only one question becos I don't know anything abt islam even though some of my family members are moslems.

As pastors open churches can imams open their own mosque like that?

adeola555: smtimes I ask myself wat is xtianity.jesus was neva a xtian nd neva preachd xtianity al prophets of God were nt xtians... Wat did dey cum 2 preach ,dat dere is only 1 God nd notin else nd we shld nt associate partners wit him,is dis nt wat islam preaches...it is as simple as ABC. we muslims shldnt waste our time wit dis ignorant pple.dats al I wanna say

obadiah777: YOU ARE JUST A BLINDED REPROBATE. YOU SEE BUT UNDERSTAND NOT. YOU HEAR BUT PERCEIVE NOT. OK LETS SEE THIS VERSE. CONSIDERING YOU THINK THE BIBLE IS LITERAL EVEN THOUGH THE LORD SPECIFICALLY SAYS HE WROTE SCRIPTURES IN PARABLES.

REVELATION 8 VS 8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; <<< BREAK THIS DOWN FOR ME. DOES THIS MEAN LITERALLY A MOUNTAIN ON FIRE IS GOING TO FALL INTO THE SEA ? SMDH

obadiah777: I AM NOT IMPOSING ANYTHING ON YOU. I OPENED A THREAD. YOU VOLUNTARILY CAME INTO IT LIKE THE SCOFFER YOU ARE TO COME AND GAINSAY AND SCOFF SMDH

ATMC: @obadiah and most high why do you characterize someone when they see things not d way you do? Smh...evidence dt you haven't come up thither afterall but ye claim to, smh

obadiah777: LISTEN IF YOU WANT TO STARVE YOURSELF IN FASTING, THATS YOUR PROBLEM. THE PREMISE OF THIS THREAD IS THAT FASTING AS PRACTICED BY THE LORD HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOD. HE DID NOT GO 40 DAYS AND 40 NIGHTS WITHOUT FOOD. THATS NOT WHAT THE BIBLE IS TALKING ABOUT

From that day, i don't just read the bible, i tend to look beyond the basic illustration and pray to God to help me unlock the mysteries.

obadiah777: THATS YOUR PROBLEM. YOU ALWAYS LEAP BEFORE YOU LOOK SMDH

obadiah777: ALL THE VERSES YOU HAVE QUOTED STILL SUPPORTS MY POINT. SO I DONT GET WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO. LIKE I SAID, A FAST IS GOING AGAINST WHAT YOU NORMALLY DO. FOR CHRIST, HE NORMALLY TEACHES AND EATS SCRIPTURES. HE STOPPED DOING THAT TO PREPARE FOR TEMPTATION. IF YOU ARE A WICKED PERSON WHO IS ACCUSTOMED TO DOING WICKEDNESS 365 DAYS OF THE YEAR ? A FAST TO YOU WILL BE NOT TO DO WICKEDNESS FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD. SEE IT WORKS BOTH WAYS. YOU STILL NOT MADE ANY POINT YET

Goshen360: @ mintayo,

Have you heard of "second class hatred"? That's what you and other Christians do on this forum. You didn't read what Goshen said about fornication by YOURSELF but what SOMEONE ELSE reported to you and you took those words and began to work on it, second class information; just like some Christians don't feed directly by themselves in the word, but whatever their medium (pastors) tell them. Lord help y'all religious people.

obadiah777: AM SAYING WHAT FASTING MEANT WHEN THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT FASTING MEANS TODAY. TODAY FASTING IS ASSOCIATED WITH NOT EATING FOOD SIMPLY BECAUSE SOMEONE DIDNT INTERPRET THE SCRIPTURES CORRECTLY. ITS MANY BIBLICAL WORDS THAT DONT MEAN WHAT THEY MEAN TODAY WHEN THE BOOK WAS WRITTEN

Mintayo: what is fornication?
Fornication is any Sexual INTERCOURSE OUTSIDE MARRIAGE...meaning that if i have sex with a prostitute,i have fornicated contrary to what goshen or obadiah said.
Now lets check what the Word of God says about Fornication.
1 Cor 6: 12-19. (NLT).
12. You say, '' i am allowed to do anything''-but not everything is good for you.And even though ''I am allowed to do anything,'' I must not become a slave to anything.
13....But you cant say that our bodies were made for sexual IMMORALITY. They were made for the Lord...
Lets go to 18.
18. Run from sexual sin(fornication)! No other sin cleraly affects the body as this one does....

Eph 5:3
3. Let there be no sexual IMMORALITY, IMPURITY, OR GREED AMONG YOU. SUCH SINS HAVE NO PLACE AMONG GOD'S PEOPLE.
VS 5. YOU CAN BE SURE THAT NO IMMORAL,IMPURE OR GREEDY PERSON WILL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF CHRIST AND GOD...
6.DON'T BE FOOLED BY THOSE WHO TRY TO EXCUSE THESE SINS,FOR THE ANGER OF GOD WILL FALL ONALL WHO DISOBEY HIM.

HE THAT HAS AN EAR LET HIM HERE.
STAY WITH THE BIBLE NOT WITH THESE FALSE TEACHERS.

THE FACT THAT FORNICATION IS A COMMON PRACTICE DOES NOT MAKE IT ACCEPTABLE TO GOD.

GOD BLESS US AL

Paschal007: I love nairaland's religion section.

Goshen360: Sex between 2 unmarried adults (fornication) is not sin.