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RealSleek: Obviously u missed ur history class.....the crusaders fought to regain jerusalem for christendom and yes, the fought with muslim invaders

lanrexlan: To your second verse you quoted out of context.The verse is taken out of context both historical context and the
context of the verse itself in the Qur'an. Let us first examine the
full verse:
"[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with
you,so strengthen those who have believed.I will cast terror
into the hearts of those who disbelieved,so strike [them] upon
the necks and strike from them every fingertip.That is because
they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever
opposes Allah and His Messenger - indeed,Allah is severe in
penalty." [Anfal 8:12-13]
That is the context of the verse in the Qur'an. The historical
context is that this verse was revealed at the Battle of Badr, a
battle in which the pagans of Makkah traveled over 200 miles to
destroy the Muslims of Madinah.The Pagans of Makkah had an
army of about 1000 while the Muslims were only 300 followers.
The Prophet Muhammad ((peace be upon him)) and his followers
had suffered severe persecutions and torture for 13 years in the
city of Makkah. Having fled from Makkah to the safety of Madinah,
they found that they were once again threatened by Makkans and
have to defend themselve.It is clear from the below verse that
the Makkans were fighting against Allah,His Messenger and Islam
"There has already been for you a Sign in the two armies that
met (in combat): One was fighting in the cause of Allah,the
other resisting Allah; these saw with their own eyes Twice
their number.But Allah doth support with His aid whom He
pleaseth. In this is a warning for such as have eyes to
see." [Qur'an: Al-i-Imran 3:13]
The Makkans were not satisfied with expelling the Muslims from
Makkah and subsequently desired that they be purged from the
surroundings of all major trade routes.So God supported the
Muslims and informed them that God would allow justice to
prevail over oppression. He informed them that they should not
fear fighting in God's path, but it is the enemies who should fear
God's retribution for their oppression and injustice. Also, God
inspired the ANGELS to support the believers and strike the
disbelievers.This was NOT a command for the Muslims.
Allah helped Muslim at Battle of Badr by sending angels.The
Quran confirms this in
"(Remember)when you sought help of your Lord and He
answered you (saying): "I will help you with a thousand
of the angels,each behind the other (following one another) in
succession." [Anfal 8:9]
Ar-Rabi bin Anas said: “On the day of Badr people could see
those who had been slain by the angels among the dead
by the blows above the necks and on their fingertips which
looked as if fire had burnt them.” [Bayhaqi]....peace

lanrexlan: Abi jare,ALLAH said in the glorious Quran in surah Al-baqarah 2;18-''They are deaf,dumb and blind,they will never return to the straight path.''
@brother desika and alexis,inform us anytime you open another thread,we are always ready to expose your ignorance about Islam and misconceptions....Peace.

tintingz: i quoted out the gospel of barnabas from your brothers website and stop spitting rubbish!

lanrexlan: [url][/url]Brother,I have replied you before,nowhere in my posts did I say you can't the quran in other languages,I simply said arabic is one of the most difficult language to translate.Every muslim do read arabic daily,during the 5daily prayer,SOLAT are being prayed using arabic quran,So all the points you raised up there has been nullified.Maybe this link will clarify it.

http://opishposh.com/10-hardest-languages-to-learn-for-english-speakers/

lanrexlan: I will once again show your ignorance.The other time I told you The quran wasn't revealed in English,that it was arabic and arabic is one of the languages that's not easily translated,you said rubbish that day telling me if I tried persia.You never understand arabic,you don't have a quran(arabic or even english).

tintingz: This from a christian site on the gospel of Barnabas, long but start from the main issue


The written Gospel of Barnabas

Whereupon he caused him to be scourged by his slaves, who were paid by the scribes to slay him under the scourges. But God, who had decreed the issue, reserved Judas for the cross, in order that he might suffer that horrible death to which he had sold another. He did not suffer Judas to die under the scourges, notwithstanding that the soldiers scourged him so grievously that his body rained blood. Thereupon, in mockery they clad him in an old purple garment;, saying: 'It is fitting to our new king to clothe him and crown him': so they gathered thorns and made a crown, like those of gold and precious stones which kings wear on their heads. And this crown of thorns they placed upon Judas' head, putting in his hand a reed for sceptre;, and they made him sit in a high place.

And the soldiers came before him, bowing down in mockery, saluting him as King of the Jews. And they held out their hands to receive gifts, such as new kings are accustomed to give; and receiving nothing they smote Judas, saying: 'Now, how are you crowned, foolish king, if you will not pay your soldiers and servants?' *The chief priests with the scribes and Pharisees, seeing that Judas died not by the scourges, and fearing lest Pilate should set him at liberty, made a gift of money to the governor, who having received it gave Judas to the scribes and Pharisees as guilty to death. Whereupon they condemned two robbers with him to the death of the cross.


So they led him to Mount Calvary, where they used to hang malefactors, and there they crucified him naked;, for the greater ignominy. *Judas truly did nothing else but cry out: 'God, why have you forsaken me, seeing the malefactor has escaped and I die unjustly?' *Truly I say that the voice, the face, and the person of Judas were so like to Jesus, that his disciples and believers entirely believed that he was Jesus; wherefore some departed from the doctrine of Jesus, believing that Jesus had been a false prophet, and that by art magic he had done the miracles which he did: for Jesus had said that he should not die till near the end of the world; for that at that time he should be taken away from the world.


But they that stood firm in the doctrine of Jesus were so encompassed with sorrow, seeing him die who was entirely like to Jesus, that they remembered not what Jesus had said. And so in company with the mother of Jesus they went to Mount Calvary, and were not only present at the death of Judas, weeping continually, but by means of Nicodemus and Joseph of Abarimathia; they obtained from the governor the body of Judas to bury it. Whereupon, they took him down from the cross with such weeping as assuredly no one would believe, and buried him in the new sepulchre of Joseph; having wrapped him up in an hundred pounds of precious ointments.

http://barnabas.net/chapters/265.html?task=view

Now someone should tell me if this is false or true?

deSika: hi Lanrexlan and others. i am particularly interested in this question

talk2me006: if u admit that.let me know.

coming bak later for u.....

just few hours i will be bak....

talk2me006: not in some way! admit that you didnt asnwer my questions and that the only two u are trying to answer are answered out of context.

admit that first then i will now answer your question perfectly.

Esss: In other News Boko haram promises to welcome the President of America with open hands and fireworks..

talk2me006: i dey laugh in kanuri

who first ask u a question? for you to answer my question with a new fresh topic, that mean u have confused already!

just answer my question or admit those terrorism verses i quoted for u then i will now knock u out with a valid answer to the fresh question u nw ask me.


ALEXIS ! YOU JUST PROVE TO ME THAT U ARE A EMPTY BARREL.

remember also u must answer all the question i will ask after i answer ur own.

so answer me first.

tintingz: Lolz... Quran 19:33 says Jesus died? Lanrexlans explained the verse and yet these trinitarian worshipers still argue like lost sheeps


Here is what Noble Verse 19:33 states:

"So peace is upon me [Jesus] the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life."

Trinitarian Christians believe that Jesus was GOD Himself, or part of GOD, came to earth, was crucified on the cross to purify our sins and then raised from death back to life and went up to heaven until he will come back again to this earth.

The Noble Quran does not in anyway support this theory!. We Muslims believe that Jesus was born from a Noble Virgin; Mary the Virgin, preached the word of GOD to the people of Israel, raised to Allah Almighty alive (even though he might have been put on the cross, but never actually died), will come back to earth again to fight the army of Satan and then die a natural death and then be raised again back to life from death as we all do in the Day of Judgement. Some Muslim scholars say that Jesus not being crucified in Noble Verse 4:157 means that he was put on the cross but didn't die, and others say that it means that he was not put on the cross itself and never died either. There are some Christian sects such as the Basilidans, the Docetate and the Marcionite do not believe that Jesus was put on the cross.

Either way, it doesn't really matter whether he was put on the cross or not. The more important point is that Jesus never died according to Islam. There is a similar Verse to 19:33 in the Noble Quran that was mentioned to another Messenger of GOD:

"So peace on him [Yahya, or John the Baptist] the day he was born, the day that he dies, and the day that he will be raised up to life! (Quran, 19:15)"

This Noble Verse (19:15) is similar to 19:33, where it does not at all state that any Messenger of GOD was crucified or will die twice!. The reason why no Messenger of GOD will ever die twice is because Allah Almighty said clearly in His Noble Book that every soul He creates (this includes all of His Messengers and Prophets even Jesus) shall taste death once;

"Nor will they [all humans who end up in heaven] there taste death, except the first death; and He will preserve them from the penalty of the blazing fire. (Quran, 44:56)"

Did John the baptist died and ressurected??

alexis: One day during a lunch break from your job in Washington D.C, you are waiting for a friend on a street corner when a strangely dressed couple approaches you and asks if they can speak to you for a moment.

The man has a powered wig on his head and is wearing a silk shirt, a waistcoat, breeches that reach only to his knees, silk stockings and black shoes with a silver buckle on each shoe.

The woman is wearing a powdered wig and a long, flowing dress that reaches almost to the ground. They look like a couple that has just stepped out of a movie set for an American Revolutionary War film.

The couple starts to explain to you that they are followers of a religion in which George Washington was a mighty prophet of Ba-al. Everything that George Washington taught, believed, said and practices must be accepted as the inspired Word of Ba-al, who is the one true God.

The speeches and letters which people think came from Washington are in the English language because that is the language of heaven. Even though there are foreign-language translations of some of these writings, they really cannot be understood unless they are in the original English.

The speeches of Washington were actually written in heaven on a tablet of stone. George Washington did not really write a single page of his works; they were given to him bu the angel Gabriel out of heaven. Washington merely recited them when Ba-al so ordered.

The strangely dressed couple went on to explain that because Washington was a prophet of Ba-al, the true God, we must live as George Washington lived. For example, all men should dress the way George Washington dressed, and all women should wear a dress such as Mrs, Washington wore. We must eat the food that the Washington's ate. For example, George Washington did not like peas so no one should eat peas.

Washington political views must be viewed as the only valid form of government. And, since he owned slaves, slavery must be viewed as being a valid political structure for today. At that moment the alarm on the man's wristwatch goes off and he pulls a compass out of his coat pocket. After facing in a certain direction, the couple gets down on their hands and knees and bows in prayer.

After they finish praying, they get up. You can't help but ask them what they were doing? They explained that they must pray 5 times a day toward Washington D.C where the Washington Memorial stands. As a matter of fact, all those who are true followers of GW must make a pilgrimage to Wasington D.C at least once in their life-time.

Once they get there, they must run around the Washington Memorial 7 times. Then they have to run down to the end of the mall and throw some stones at the devil.
The man and his wife also remark that the Washington Memorial was actually built by Adam. Although it had been subsequently destroyed at various periods it was eventually rebuilt by Abraham, and all the biblical patriarchs actually lived at that exact spot. The Washington Memorial is a sacred sire and it has always been part of the worship of God.

At this point they ask for your opinion, so you give it: They can't really be serious about this religion of Washingtonianism. The idea of bowing in prayer toward the Washington Memorial is absurd. The memorial was not built bu Adam or rebuilt by Abraham. The patriarchs did not live in Washington D.C but in Israel. The whole thing seems ridiculous.

They respond that they are in dead earnest and that they really believe that GW was a prophet of Ba-al and that his writings were the Word of God.

You respond by saying, "It seems to me that you have made a religion out of 18th century American colonial culture". Do you really expect people in the 21st century to live, dress, and eat in accordance with the habits and tastes of people living in the 1700's in the United States?

"What if the Russians were to invent a religion in which we were told that we has to pray toward Moscow five times a day? Why can't the Japanese invent a religion in which everyone has to pray toward Tokyo? Why can't the Mexicans say that you must take a pilgrimage to Mexico City once in your life time or you will not be saved?"

"This whole religion seems to be silly at the least and racist at the worst. Why would you expect every culture and every race of people to live the way that people in the 18th century colonial America did? It just doesn't make sense".

At this point, the man opens his coat and reveals a shoulder harness with a gun in it. He says that his religion does not allow anyone to ridicule or blaspheme the holy faith. He says he will kill anyone that speaks anything criticizing his prophet and his god Ba-al.

You tell him - you will speak with him later and leave.


DOES THIS STORY SOUND FAMILIAR?

lanrexlan: Cocoon,all your questions have been answered but I see you are blindfolded and can't even reason,think and see at all.Your questions 1,2,3,4,7 and 8 have been answered perfectly and I don't expect you to accept it.But to your question 6 about the death and resurrection of jesus(pbuh).

Surah Maryam 19;33-''And peace be upon me the day I was born,and they I die and the day I shall be raised alive''.

Brother,not only jesus(pbuh)said that,john the baptist(pbuh) also does,the same applies to him.

Surah Maryam 19;15-''And peace be on him the day he was born,and the day he dies and the day he will be raised up alive''.
So tell me john the baptist(pbuh) also died and then resurrect? The bible said he was beheaded.The explanation of the above verses applies to everybody.Peace on everyone the day he/she was born,and the day he/she dies and the day he/she will be raised alive.Jesus(pbuh) was born and peace be upon him that day,the day he dies(his second coming),he's not dead yet.When he comes back in his second,then he will die a normal death and peace upon him the day he will be raised alive(resurrection).Every Human being will be raised up alive on the day of judgement.So all what jesus(pbuh) and john the baptist(pbuh)said in the above verses applies to everybody.It doesn't confirm the death and resurrection of the bible.Quran doesn't endorse his crucifixion.
I hope that clears that,maybe you will understand because you love beating around the bush,repeating the same question that have been answered.The other time I told you your reasoning is very low and you don't read the quran,copy and paste from anti islamic websites,it was like I was abusing you.But I am saying the truth.....Peace

talk2me006: yes! that is exactly where i see your yansh exposed.

try to bookmark it and enjoy the website. :

http://www.defending-islam.com/page95.html

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=162254240473487&comments


i said it. to every anti-islam website, there are 100 good islamic website that will exposed their liar.

talk2me006: that s very good.
i can see u did not disputed the fact that ur bible is corrupt.

if we didnt research ur bible how will muslim believe wat quran say that your bible has been corrupted.

i was thinking you will dissaprove the above error in bible with point!

shame on you


go to : http://www.al-islam.org/short/closerlook/5.htm


it will solve your problem

talk2me006: mr copy and paste !
you have gone there again and copy it here as usual.

the main problem of you and those who wrote that for u can be summarize below:

(a) YOU AND THEM misunderstands the Qur’an



(b) for the Quranic passages in question, they relies on a faulty translation which supports the misunderstanding



(c) you and them take the passages out of their context to support such a misunderstanding.




now , read here the way they open your yansh : http://www.defending-islam.com/page95.html

ALSO READ HERE TO SEE THE WAY YOUR YANSH EXPOSED HERE TOO: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=162254240473487&comments



man u fail again!
try again.

tintingz: good job brotha... Its better for us to ignore them, what he posted have been answered Mintayo is following the footstep of his brotha alexis who is fun of repeating same questions over and over again

We should not waste our time answering what they already know is like the reason for these thread has faded away, the op who created these thread desika is no where to be found, maybe he is busy

The topic says ''How
Muslims Can Teach Non- Muslims About Islam'' but they are not ready to know about islam but to argue like lost sheeps... peace brotha

talk2me006: TO MINTAYO AND CO



[b]SEE THE REAL 101 CONTRADICTION IN BIBLE



1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)

2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?
Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
Three (I Chronicles 21:12)

5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?
Eighteen (2 Kings 24:
Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)

7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem?
Three months (2 Kings 24:
Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)

8. The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?
Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:
Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)

9. When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?
After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)

10. How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?
Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)

11. When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?
One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)

12. How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?
Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)

13. In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?
Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16:
Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)

14. How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?
Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)
Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)

15. Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?
Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)

16. Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?
Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)
Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)

17. How many were the children of Zattu?
Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:
Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)

18. How many were the children of Azgad?
One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)
Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)

19. How many were the children of Adin?
Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)
Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)

20. How many were the children of Hashum?
Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)
Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)

21. How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?
Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28)
One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)

22. Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:
29,818 (Ezra)
31,089 (Nehemiah)

23. How many singers accompanied the assembly?
Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)
Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)

24. What was the name of King Abijah’s mother?
Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)
Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)

25. Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?
Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)
No (Joshua 15:63)[/b]

full text here: http://sunnahonline.com/ilm/dawah/0009.htm




EXPLAIN THOSE CONTRADICTIONS ABOVE?

talk2me006: mr bolean !
dont vess now!
show us where jesus explain trinity with bolean?

read this:
Mark 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:


MY ANALYSIS

From the above verse,did jesus confuse diciples with bolean to explain oneness of GOD?

read this also:

"Say: He is Allah,

The One and Only.

"Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.

"He begets not, nor is He begotten.

And there is none like unto Him."

[Al-Qur’an 112:1-4].

MY ANALYSIS

From the above verse, no confusion , no bolean

CONCLUSION

FROM THE FACT ABOVE , I CAN CONCLUSIVELY SAY YOU REALY NEED INTERVENTION.
YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU CANT USE UR BRAIN TO REASON PERFECTLY AGAIN.

lanrexlan: You can also see his ignorance again,all the points he(mintayo) raised are very easy for us to refute,but I see no essence in replying him because he will never understand.Brother tintingz and brother talketome,should we leave him to wander blindly in his error or replied to his questions? But he's a cocoon,he will never comprehend a damn thing,a kindergaten child's IQ is higher than his,I don't know how he uses his brain.....Peace brothers

lanrexlan: You are looking for the lost injeel ...Peace

lanrexlan: Brothers,no matter the proof you provided for alexis and co they will never accept it because their hearts are sealed up for the truth.

What is the truth? Quran?


ALLAH said the quran is a judge between truth and falsehood of the old scriptures.

Well,thank God you said allah!what is the quran judging?that allah gave the jews the scriptures;and they lost it?he also asked the muslims to follow the scriptures he gave the jews? And he now provide quran to replace the lost scriptures? Which now contradicts the scriptures he gave-what kinda of a god will do that?i throwey salute for this allah o.


The people of the injeel during the time of prophet muhammed(pbuh)should be judged according to their scripture.Are you among the people of the injeel? Injeel doesn't mean bible.The Quran is the criterion in judging between the truth in the old scriptures and falsehood.I think we provided many proofs for you to tell you the much part of the injeel is lost.

And u av not answer the questions we ask u-the part the scripture u r using to validate quran n the prophet: are those part the lost copy or the original scriptures? How can u b validating quran with a lost or corrupt?


That's why I keep saying if we muslims find somethings in the the present bible that's in line with the quran,we accept and if it contradicts,we decline-


can u c the hypocrisy in that statements-pls hear urself-the part of the present bible that speak for quran is the original(now it is found),while the ones(like isaiah and co and the epistles of Jesus' disciples and apostles) that contradicts the quran is the fake(d ones thrown away by the jews)? Can u c the HYPOCRISY in your words? Can you see the ERROR U V COMMITTED? And you expect me to accept what u are saying?


I pray this answers your question...

YES ACTUALLY-ur last statemet just explained that.

pendusky: When NL wasnt popular then, ther was a kind of begging to be on the site (was younger then) Seun did 80% of the posting and 30% of comment... Most of NL pioneers wer muslim...They wer active and they wer promoted to be a MOD by seun, when the issues of
religion arises in NL, they threaten to leave NL except seun creat Muslim board exclusive for Islam. Seun is NL CE0 bt hes not the one managing it...I am stil watching NL SEASON 7. its hight time I deactivate my account here.

naptu2: I doubt that the insults will bother him. He has seen it all before. This is just another chapter in a long running story.

There was once a time when Seun was the sole mod. People kept breaking the rules and Seun couldn't enforce them. Things got so bad that he had to shut the site down for a day or so. Then Muki volunteered to moderate the site.

There was almost a riot when Seun introduced the word filter (again people threatened to leave the site).

People threatened to leave when Seun banned some popular stock market analysts.

Someone even created a website with a similar name (I won't mention the name, because I don't want to get banned).

There was the 2007 civil war (Diaspora vs Home).

There was the rebellion when Seun threatened to ban the use of the words "Islam" and "muslim" on nairaland.

There were the "get rich quick", multi-level marketing and wonderbank scams (Seun even had to create a thread to warn people about them).

There was the garri rebellion.

Nairaland has survived all of them and will survive this one.

Seun has to enforce rules to ensure that there's order and because he is the only publicly known member of the forum.

naptu2: Reasons for rule 17