Satan or The Devil never fell from a position of Grace or Perfect Beauty.
He has always been evil from the beginning.
Jesus Christ said in John 8 vs 44
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Notice the - He was a murderer from the beginning line meaning he has always been evil from the start
Isaiah 14:12-17 was talking about King Nebuchadnezzar not an evil entity or a divine being.
Lucifer is a Latin word that means “light bearer” and was originally the name for the planet Venus, known as the “morning star.”
Note that Prior to 1611 , Lucifer never appeared anywhere in scripture....
Isaiah 14 vs 16 simply says this entity is a man.
"Those who see you will gaze at you, And consider you, saying: ‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms"
TenQ: Sorry for misrepresenting you. I will answer all your questions if you mind BUT To be on the same page can you answer this question that was asked by JESUS.
Mat 22:41-45: "While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, Saying, What think you of Christ? whose son is he? They say to him, The son of David. He said to them, How then does David in spirit call him Lord, saying, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit you on my right hand, till I make your enemies your footstool? If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?"
TenQ: Can you please first respond to this below then we can have an interesting conversation
Someone asked, why so much interest in prophet Mohammad?
The answer is not difficult It is because your prophet is the strangest prophet in the history of Prophethood 1. He's the only prophet his God never spoke to directly 2. He is the only prophet to be squeezed three time by an angel with a command to READ 3. He is the only prophet that even after receiving a direct Command from Allah three times to read, he still couldn't read 4. The only prophet to covet and marry the wife of his adopted son 5. The only prophet that was caught by his wife committing adultery with the slave of his wife 6. The only prophet ever to be accused of stealing a red velvet cloth after the battle of badr 7. The only prophet who married a six year old and did all manner of unthinkable sexual things to her until two years later he couldn't help but penetrate her. 8. The only prophet he had sex with a woman whose family was killed less than 24 hours after 9. The only prophet whose God permittedd prostitution for Muslims 10. The only prophet above the laws of Allah for all Muslims.
You will agree with me that this makes prophet Muhammad an extraordinary prophet worthy of being mentioned by ALL whose prophets seem like Saints in comparison.
All these and much more are from Islamic literatures o.
Sorry, we wish all these are LIES but they are from your Islamic literatures!
What do you expect us to do. If Jesus has 1% of these flaws, we would have all converted to Islam.
Thank you
QUESTION: Please why this aberration?
Oga I'm not Muslim....You can see I never mentioned Allah or Prophet Muhammad in all my posts.
I'm also not here to abuse or ridicule Jesus....
If Apostle Peter who was with Jesus could deny him,why can't I raise questions?
If Judas Iscariot can betray Jesus even after being not just an apostle but Jesus's treasurer. Why can't I raise questions?
Kobojunkie: Yes and Yes! But you forgot to make clear what it means to say He is Son of God? What does it mean to say Jesus Christ is God in the flesh?
What I meant is that he's the Son of God means he's the only one begotten of the Father....No Other Person... Begotten not Created.
Jesus is God's incarnate meaning he revealed God in human form - That means he's God in the flesh...If he's not,that means his death is of no use to humanity.
Kobojunkie: 2 different agreements/Covenants/Contracts aka Laws means 2 different Ways. God never gave men religion. Instead, what He gives are His Laws and His mandate in each and every case has been obedience or adherence to the terms and conditions laid out in the applicable Law if one is to benefit from Him. Just as the Israelites are written to have gotten it wrong by following the religion of men instead of sticking to God's Law, so also have Christians in following the traditions and doctrines of men rather than the Truth aka God's Law as given to them by Jesus Christ, the one who embodies God's Law in the Kingdom of God.
You had asked of the Messiah and the messianic age, well, if you had taken time to read through scripture for yourself, you would have infact realized that Judaism has got it all wrong in terms of order of events. The details, picked from here and there, in that blog you posted earlier is focused on events to take place at the end, close to the time of the resurrection(of the dead) when the actual gathering of the lost sheep from every tongue, every language and every nation is to take place. It largely ignores all that God stated would take place prior to the return of the lost sheep back to Israel by God Himself, the only Shepherd.
Anyways, I hope you aren't thinking Judaism is the religion for you or something. The Law of Moses is a Constitution meant to be used in the Land of Canaan by the Israelites alone --the foreigners among them can benefit from the blessings that come with it. Now, will even the foreigners who live in the land of Canaan among the Israelites be resurrected at the end when the Messiah comes to reign? Well, according to isaiah, instead a memorial will be set up to remember them implying their is no eternity awaiting foreigners under that Law implying God indeed did not change His mind about His ruling in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 regarding those to partake in the promise He made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Only those who are of that particular bloodline will benefit from that agreement.
ediplan: Exodus 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn
Deuteronomy 18
15 The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
16 According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17 And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
So you mean Jesus is a Prophet? Son of God or Prophet? Which one is he?
Also note that Exodus 4 vs 22 which you posted,God called Israel aka Jacob his Son.
Exodus 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Is Israel same as Jesus or God has many sons
Note that the living God called Israel aka Jacob his firstborn son.
HisSplendor: You don't understand. We both worship Yahweh. The only difference is that judahism is still waiting for Yahweh's Messaih while Christianity believes that Yahweh already sent the Messaih in the person of Jesus.
When Jesus walked the earth,what religion did he practice?
Kobojunkie: What you refer to as Judaism is a religion built around a National Constitution belonging to the Nation of Israel in the Land of Israel. That Law, the Law of Moses, was given specifically to the people of Israel whom God practically conscripted for His own purpose, and for life and living in the Kingdom of Canaan. So Christians, those who are called to a new and different agreement --- the agreement of peace which applies to a different Kingdom ---from the Constitution of Israel cannot logically worship God under that very same agreement.
Now as for whether they worship the same God or not, why again is God not allowed to have different laws in different Kingdoms?
Hmmm
So you mean Christians & Jews worship the same God in different ways?
HisSplendor: Christianity had to add the Jewish holy book because we serve the same God. Islam can't add the Bible because we do not serve the same God.
The ritualistic nature of the old testament scriptures was just a physical symbolism of God's spiritual program for man.
The Old testament was a shadow, an allegory. God was using it to teach us spiritual principles. It wasn't the real thing. And when God was done with the teachings, He abolished the Old testament and ushered in the New.
Christianity is based on the New testament which is entirely spiritual, but the old testament scriptures are necessary to enable us understand our spiritual walk and relationship with God.
Jeremiah 31:33
"For this is the new covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people."
The new covenant makes the existing covenant old. "After those days", refers to after the days of Christ's complete sacrifice. The days of the old testament was complete and became outdated when Jesus said on the cross "It is finished."
Your claim that Judaism & Christianity worship the same God is ridiculous.
Judaism don't even believe in Jesus... Infact they refer to him as a fake messiah so how can Jews & Christians worship the same God when Jews don't believe in the christian God?
In Judaism, worship of man or anything with form is idolatry....Also in Judaism, God's name is Yahweh....What is God's name in Christianity?
Please before you abuse the lady,do some findings.
Julius is a serial fornicator and even all the time he was sick,he was cheating on his wife with different girls.....I can't count the number of times I've seen Julius at popular hotels & hangouts on the island frolicking with prostitutes.
Why won't she leave you? Look at the way he painted it as if the wife just left her without him doing anything wrong.
Kobojunkie: 1. You would need to ask your pastors of this since they are the one's who fed you these doctrines.
2. Wrong! YHWH is the name associated with the National Constitution which God gave to the people of Israel in the Land of Israel. Before that Covenant, God's name was not YHWH. God's Law is named YHWH for the israelites. Jesus Christ is another one of God's Laws particularly He is Law in the Kingdom of God.
3. It is OK if you don't believe in Jesus Christ. Afterall according to Jesus Christ, He was sent only to the Lost sheep of israel and even then He came to save those who are weary and heavy-laden among them - Matthew 11 vs 28 - 30 . So if you are not of those He came for, you can't even have a part in Him to begin with.