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Radoillo:
Bwahahaha! First off, Obalike never revealed that anybody from the towns you've mentioned (Aro or Onitsha) brought him gifts during his coronation. Onitsha might have (Arochukwu certainly not), but it is not on record that Obalike ever said so. I’ll even help you make your case by quoting the exact information Eze Nri Obalike gave Northcote Thomas in circa 1910. Note he said nothing about anybody bringing gifts. He only mentioned 'settling disputes' (which Thomas saw no evidence of), and made vague questionable statements about people (including the Bini) 'acknowledging' him - whatever that means.

“The Ezenri claimed that he had to settle disputes in the
territory that acknowledged him, i.e., as far as Amansi in
the east, Agoleri in the north, Umucuku in the south.
How far precisely he is recognized in the west I did not
ascertain. He mentioned among the towns subject to him,
Asaba, Isele, Agbor, and the land as far as Idu (Benin city),
but I have no evidence that Nri men go nearly so far west.
So far as I could see no disputes were referred to him at all….”

I’m assuming that you’ve seen this quote before, and that you thought ‘Umucuku’ was a reference to Arochukwu. Wrong. In the northern axis, Umuchukwu was (until about 1908) the official name of the town now called Aro-Ndikelionwu in Orumba area of Anambra state. In colonial records of the early period, ‘Umuchukwu’ appears as the actual name of Ndikelionwu. Ndikelionwu people occasionally still use the name. [Although fairly recently another town in that area has officially changed its name to Umuchukwu.]

What Eze Nri Obalike was actually saying there was that Ndikelionwu (not Arochukwu) was among the towns which acknowledged him and in which he settled disputes. Like all rulers Eze Nri exaggerated the extent of his authority. (Imagine saying Benin recognized his authority!) We have evidence (even evidence from traditions collected by Onwuejeogwu within Agukwu itself) that the Aro colonies, including Ndikelionwu, were completely irreverent to the authority of the Eze Nri. I’ve already mentioned the incident between Okoli Ijoma and Ezenri Enweleana. There are more examples of such show of non-recognition of Ezenri’s authority. The Aro-Ndikelionwu overwhelmed Nawfia (an Umu-Nri town) and used their road network to attack the Awka area in the 19th century. Aro-hired soldiers attacked Enugu-Ukwu, another Umu-Nri town, although they were successfully repulsed. Aro-hired soldiers attacked Nteje, an Umu-Eri town in 1891 and they fled to their kinsmen in Asaba. These are not the actions of a people that had any regard for Eze Nri’s authority. You can see some of the traditions mentioned here in Onwuejeogwu’s Nri Kingdom and Hegemony, Dike and Ekejiuba’s The Aro: a case study of state formation in southeastern Nigeria. There’s even an eyewitness account of the aftermath of the attack on Nteje in Isichei’s The Igbo Worlds.

I wouldn’t take an Eze Nri who says Benin was subject to him in the early 20th century seriously if I were you. Apparently every people that came into some sort of contact with his ritual agents were interpreted by him as being ‘subject to him.’ Note what Northcote said, “So far as I could see, no disputes were referred to him at all….”

You are doing a good job. Come back when you’ve found something better than Obalike’s self-aggrandizing words (which in any case made no reference to Arochukwu or many major towns in Igboland.)


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Jedrej and Shaw never set foot in Igboland. Why would you think they would have anything ‘revealing’ to contribute here, beyond making the same mistakes people like Ehret made, sitting in their studies in US and Britain, and writing about something they knew so little about? In any case, can you quote Jedrej and Shaw’s actual words?

Perhaps its time to even place Nri in its right context in Igbo cultural history. Starting with the true nature of their relations with the Adama. And I may do so here on this thread.



I don’t know about elephant tusks. We did make the otonsi for Nri priests, the supreme paraphernalia of their ‘priesthood’. We never made one for Umuoji, though…because they were never ritual agents or representatives of the hegemony. Only the ‘Brahmin’ Nri families in Agukwu-Nri, Oraeri, and the Urunebo quarters of Enugu-Ukwu formed the hieratic elite that defined Nri’s hegemony.

Why is an Umuoji man carrying Nri matter on his head to the extent of having an ‘NriPriest’ moniker? No Umuoji man was ever an Nri Priest. Your Nriness is just as trivial as the Nriness of an Ogboli-Ibusa man, or an Aku (Nsukka) man

You made a lot of points here,but I will like u to know that acknowledging or recognizing someone doesn't necessarily mean being subject to the person's authority.Benin might have acknowledged Nri,exchanged embassies with them(not saying it happened),that doesn't mean one was subject to the other.
Just saying.

chucky234:
My mum is from Ogume, dad from Obiaruku but both were born in Lagos and that make me a Yorubaman by birth.

Your dad is from Obiaruku n u didn't know the town was founded n majorly populated by migrants from Awkuzu?.
Bros,please tell us another story.

Radoillo:
Yes 'oba' means a number of things in Igbo. 'Oba' means 'barn'. There could be other possible meanings in other contexts. Looking at the name Obajiaku, the first translation that comes to my mind is 'Wealth is in the Barn' (i.e, how big or how stocked your barn is is a measure of how wealthy you are.) But maybe it could mean something else.

That's the literal meaning of the name.A more deeper meaning is that wealth lies in what one has worked n laid up for oneself.No other meaning from that.

Radoillo:
"Most parts" is definitely an overstatement.

Meanwhile, history fabricators have been at work. The earliest recorded traditions of Enugu-Ezike people say nothing about the Bini (though the Igala are mentioned, as well as the Nri in some accounts.) This whole Benin thing appeared fairly recently, and is clearly the work of revisionists.

Someone noticed that the eponymous ancestor of the Enugu-Ezike people was called Ezike Oba (sometimes also rendered as Ejige Oba) and leapt to the conclusion that the 'Oba' in the name indicates Bini ancestry. Needless to say there are no grounds at all for reaching that kind of conclusion.

Following their twisted logic,my grandmother was Benin royalty too.She was named Obajiaku afterall.
Nonsense n ingredients.

Obinoscopy:
If Akeju was truly a party member, don't you think it's a constitutional matter?

I've seen cases where courts besides the tribunal has abdjucated electoral matters. The Celestine Omehia Vs Rotimi Amaechi case comes to mind.

The Amaechi case was a constitutional,pre-election matter about who really was the party's candidate,not whether the party's candidate won.
Constitutionally,INEC's recognized make-up are the National Commisioners headed by the Chairman.And inec is the body empowered to conduct elections.Before the recent constitutional amendments,the Constitution was actually silent on the party status of RECs.I'm not even quite sure the amendments updated their status to that of National Commissioners viz partisanship,but yes,RECs then could be card carrying members.RECs don't conduct elections,they only oversee it's preparations.In the past,recs had bn accused of being partisans at election tribunals,yet that didn't count in the overall judgement from those tribunals.
The main crux to any election being valid is this: Was it conducted in substantial compliance with the constitution n the electoral act?.If so,all else is white noise n don't count.
I'm sure u know the Osun assembly has sat since the CA struck out INEC's appeal n with the full complement of police security.That ought to bring it home to u.

Obinoscopy:
It means that INEC has two options:

1. Accept the verdict and re-conduct the 2011 legislative elections. This automatically means that the senators/reps that were elected in 2011 have lost their mandate. Also this means whoever wins in the new elections has less than 6 months to stay in office before the next 2015 legislative elections.

2. Appeal the verdict at the Supreme Court. In this case, there are 3 possibilities:
a) The Supreme Court might reaffirm the judgements of the lower courts. In this case, we're back to option 1.
b) The Supreme Court could nullify the judgement. In this case, the status quo is maintained
c) The case might linger in the Supreme Court till 2015 elections. In that case, whatever verdict the Supreme Court gives would just be an academic exercise as it's ruling would be overtaken by events .

A 2011 case still ongoing till 2014...........this shows how slow our judiciary is. I don't think it's healthy for our democracy. We need a judiciary that would give fast judgements without necessarily compromising it's efficiency.

Actually,the judgment means nothing to the positions of officials elected 2011.Their elections are valid.Thus says the Constitution n the Electoral Act.Only an election petition tribunal or election petition appeal tribunal can nullify their elections.
Also note that the electoral act bars the high courts from stopping the conduct of any election for any reason save a constitutional matter.
Again,this case was about stopping Akeju from presiding over the elections,not about stopping the conduct of the elections.To the best of my knowledge,Akeju was not the returning officer in any of the elections.

Vessi:
Hahahaahahah. PDP!!! Full of surprises. And now Adamawa state belongs to PDP. This same shock will happen in 2015 Presidential elections. Atiku has lost his state to PDP.

Erm......Fintiri has just been removed n Ngilari to be sworn in,doesn't that mean PDP lost out or u reside in an alternate universe?

Finally,some measure of sanity.

Sunnybobo3:
Read through before commenting. Shalom

onatisi:
point out the portion in the write up where obi said he has joined pdp

Was about saying the same thing.PDP mustn't attach by force,Anambra is APGA all the way especially as pertain the forthcoming legislative elections,which is what this visit is all about.

@OP,I didn't see anywhere he declared for the PDP in that report.He,in fact maintained the same stance he'd always ever since PDP started wooing him even while a Governor,that of everyone in the region working together regardless of political persuasion.

Klinee:
The Igala in Anambra comprises of many towns;NZAM(headqauter and also the largest town in Anambra west, also the largest oil deposit in Anambra state), INNOMA, OWELLE,UKWALA, ODEKPE,IGBEDOR, IGBOKEYI,ODE, ALLAH and ONUGWA. We lies at the river Niger and omambala coast. Located in Anambra west L.G.A. We have 98% of oil deposit in anambra state. Predominantly farmers,fishing, we are the food basket of nation. Our language is gradually going into extintion. We speak Igala but most our young ones today speak Igbo more than our language. I dont know if they are feeling shy to speak the language, i remember meeting one of my town person at onitsha, i greeted him in Igala he answered me in Igbo ,it goes like this" ME: John kayi dee? JOHN: nnaa! Udo di,ME: kabe enale? JOHN: nnaa! Ka munwa fu madu ebaa." I think the government of Anambra state is not doing well to Igala language just as they do to Igbo language. I know that we are minority language in Anambra with about 5% of the population. It dosnt mean that we shouldnt be value. The government only recognise and promote Igbo language where igbo lang is being taught in every basic and post primary schools in state. I remember in my primary school days where the teachers(IBOS) normally constrain us not to speak Igala in forecorner of school,is either we speak Igbo or English. In the government media companies; Abs 1 & 2 radio, Abs awka tv, Abs onitsha tv, purity radio, Nta awka tv, Nta awka tv and many other private radio and tv stations in Anambra. Out of all these media companies only one station allow Igala language that is Abs 2. And the programme takes 10mins only in a day with two occurance in a week. The government need to help and promote our language. I think inferiority complex is affecting our young ones due to the fact that the language is not being promoted to people of Anambra. If we are conversing in our language maybe in any of the major cities in anambra, the igbos around normally refer us as foreigner in the state because many never know that we are full blooded Anambrian. Imagine commissioner of information,tourism & culture(now former) Hon. Maja Umeh saying in a live interveiw that he did not know that igala is in anambra. We have also had discrimination mostly people from anambra central&south,enugu,abia,imo claiming that we are not anambrian. I want to use this medium to appeal to government of anambra state. If it will be possible to appoint two or three igala indigene as commissioner or any appointive position. Secondly to charge the medias to employ igalas to enable them create a programme where the language will be desseminate to people.

U are a liar.
All government-owned media in Anambra broadcast news in English,Igbo n Igala.They also broadcast Igala-specific programmes just as they do Igbo,otherwise normal programmes are in English

tonytony208:
I've reported you to the moderator.

Chai,so na u be that with lips like elede own?.Omo,u ug o

Shekau has already turned a title,just like Sultan,Shehu or Emir.It no longer matter whether the military killed Abubakar or Ibrahim,the main thing is Shekau will continue to live so far as Boko Haram still waxes strong.
Degrade/destroy Boko Haram n Shekau will die,it's as simple as that.Not rocket science

django1:
Whatever rocks your boat you sad little man.

No,u are the little man here.A piss-poor excuse of a man,u n ur ilk
U glorified n celebrated mass murder by ur "hero",now the chickens have come home to roost u want it kept quiet.

django1:
A lot of civil war soldiers die everyday, not many get giving state burials like Adekunle and Ojukwu. Adekunle does not have the political relevance that ojukwu had but I am very sure that when someone with as much political relevance die you will see the politicians there.

Ibos follow ojukwu so its natural to see politicians fussing over his dead body to buy the backing of his followers.

You guys are selling yourselves cheap to compare Ojukwu with this man.

No,no one is selling anyone short here.U guys claimed a criminal n murderer as ur hero n role model,now ur faces are being rubbed in it.U laid this bed,enjoy its comfort.
Btw,Ojukwu was given a state burial,boots reversed n a 21-gun salute as befits a former head of state,by the same country he supposedly rebelled against.Ur Adekunle was buried as a middling officer,albeit a dismissed one,learn the difference.I did not see any boot on Adekunle's coffin,reversed or otherwise,neither was he paid any much respect by the military establishment.The CDS wasn't there,neither was the CNS.Heck,his former C-in-C kept his distance,tho he was in town.
So much for Nigeria's "military hero".

Francis5: If you were half as smart as my dog, you would have noticed I am ignoring you. But as a stray and unfed dog, you can keep tagging along, like a fly.

Hahahahahaha
And you quote me?.You really are such an id1ot.
Just in case u are too obtuse to have noticed,am making your e-life uncomfortable,this thread n the other one.

Francis5: Like I said previously, you folks should go through my history before you shoot off about me not being an Igbo. It takes a lot to make me go this angry. Chino and some other Anambra folks here such as Odenigboaroli (whatever that means) have been obtrusive for far too long. They needed to be brought back from planet Mars to face the grim reality of planet earth.

Yeah,you are Igbo n you don't know what Odenigbo Aroli means.What a laugh.
Dude,come off it.You come across more stup1d the more you try.
Like I advised earlier on today,ask Aljharem how he fared when he embarked on such a f00l trip.

MayorofLagos: they make it fuvckng men a$$, we already know the dirt on Anambra.

This is why Insha Allahu I am wiping them off the face of alaibo map. In fact, i want biometrics registration on all Anambrayan.

Freaks!!

Koni da f'eni fi kini yi se o.K'a j'ere laye e.
Amo,iwo na re w'agbo e mu.

Francis5: Stop trying to tag along with me. I do not give a rat's eye about inconsequential beings like you. Now run along to join your mates like Chino.

Hehehehehehe..........I laugh in ikwerre.
Tag along with u?.Dude,thank your lucky stars I'm in a mellow mood ere u wouldn't have liked yourself by the time am done with u.
Just thank God your scheme of sowing strife among igbos on this forum never got off the ground.
As for those sons of nama,chino n abagworo,we'll deal with them in due time.

Francis5: You can't be more foolish than this. What do I do with you? Give up on you?

Your kin gave up on u long ago,u just got the memo?

Francis5: Thank you for noticing that. You may be Yoruba, but you have made a point here.

Yeah,he's "Yoruba" same way you're "Igbo" n I am the King of Gwynedd.
Nonsense n condiments

Notice to all Igbos on here,the F00l OP is not even Igbo.Do not let him get at u or try to cause strife between brothers.
That's been his motive from the get-go

Francis5: How foolish can you get? As an all-round Igbo man, not some parochial Nnewi warlord, I go round all Igbo threads and make comments and that includes Enugu thread. In that thread, I doubt I have made more than one comment and that should show you I am not from Enugu. But I see that you Chino, using all your different monikers have taken parochialism and sectionalism to a different height. Go on and post crap on the Enugu thread. You will do nothing more than posting bad Enugu roads. But I will show the world including our collective cyber enemies, namely the Yoruba, how you Anambra guys make the money you claim you have. Do you still want to play?

You really are an idi0t,wherever did u get the impression Chino is from Nnewi?.
What's ur beef with Nnewi?.This is the second time in less than an hour u derogatorily refer to Nnewi.I would advise u thread with caution,else Nnewi will cook for u n u will never be able to finish it.

Francis5: I WILL ADVISE YOU TO READ MY PREVIOUS POSTS TO DETERMINE WHETHER I AM IGBO ENOUGH OR NOT. NOT COME HERE TO SHOOT YOUR LOUSY MOUTH. OKAY?

No such thing as being Igbo enough,u either are or u are not.
Thus far,u come across as not.U can't fake Igbo.Ask Aljharem,he's tried before n failed.
Btw,I'll advise u drop the insults.U won't like what's left of u should u get me going.

backtosender: I don't think you are a real igbo person,there is not signs that show igboist from your comment.

The guy is not Igbo,just an imposter trying to cause/foment discord between igbos

Heck,this is worse than a pauper's burial.I've been scouring Nigerian news sites all afternoon,not even a passing mention of it.This kind of "military/state burial" must be unique,one-of-a-kind,as befits a cowardly dog cashiered out of the military for malfeasance.

Why are you all replying that Freef00l of a guy?.He's not even from Anambra state.

A Magistrate’s Court in Abuja on Friday
discharged an African Independent Television
reporter, Amaechi Anakwe, of the charge
relating to addressing the Assistant Inspector
General of Police in charge of Zone 7, Abuja,
Mr. Joseph Mbu, as “controversial”.
Mbu had on Thursday ordered Anakwe’s arrest
after he was invited to the AIG’s office for
making the statement on air.
The Chief Magistrate, who presided over the
court, Anthony Ogboi, discharged the AIT
journalist, after the prosecution counsel,
Chijoke Okezie, orally applied for the
withdrawal of the charge.
Okezie told the court that Mbu instructed that
the charge be withdrawn and that Anakwe be
brought to his office for further clarification
on the issue.
The defence counsel, John Kalu, had earlier
informed the court that he had yet to get a
copy of the First Information Report to enable
him to know the offence his client was charged
with.
He however did not oppose the application for
the withdrawal of the charge but he prayed for
an order restraining Mbu or its privies from
further harassing or arresting Anakwe.
In a short ruling, the magistrate discharged the
journalist but declined to make an order
restraining the police.
According to the magistrate, making such a
restraining order could amount to impeding
the duty of the police.
Meanwhile, Anakwe’s lawyers, Kalu and Ayo
Ogundele, described the arrest of their client
as gross abuse of rights.

http://www.punchng.com/news/journalist-flaws-controversial-mbu-in-court/

Balkan: Your Hero was covered under the sound today unceremoniously for termite to feast on

He lived a rat,died like a rat and was buried deservedly,like a rat.
C'est finis