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Joshthefirst: you can give epileptic comebacks wheen you've recovered from the shock.

You have already implied everything I wrote in the question and answer session.

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My point has been made, you don't need religion to be do the right thing.

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Absolute law giver my assshole

Joshthefirst: did we not just conclude that a lie with the intent of selfish is always wrong? How is that relative?


Do you want me to break the news for you? To give you the end of this matter?

Please break the news. Wrong is relative. Empathy is enough to tell me what is wrong. Empathy is something we all possess, atheist, muslims, chrsitians, judaist, satanist or buddhist. Whether or not you disregard empathy is up to you. Belief in a super natural being does not equate morality. Morality is Morality, belief is belief. If you are telling me you need a 3000 year old book to tell me what is wrong then you are telling lies, and you know how your god burns people for no reason

Joshthefirst: so we'll go on to the next phase of this question and answer session.

Do you agree that for something to be wrong, it means a law is broken?

No. wrong is relative. Fornication is wrong according to christians, not to me. Contraceptives is wrong to some christians, Not to me.

Joshthefirst: ^^^
But if you have actually lied to take what does not belong to you, or for your selfish interests, it means as you have admitted that you have done wrong.

Assuming i have, and so?

Joshthefirst: have you ever lied? As in, not to save a life, I mean lieing now. You understand.

Now this is the last time i would answer this same question. I have a lied millions of times and i would lie trillions more. So far is it necessary at that point and it doesn't hurt my fellow man. I am not telling lies to take what doesn't belong to me. I would lie!

rationalmind: Bro, he is trying to box you into admitting lying is absolutely wrong after which he can throw in his omni skydaddy.

Lol, i know ure wiser anyway.

I can never admit lying is absolutely wrong. NEVER. I can lie a million times to save a life. I would kill a million times in self defense. a billion times self.

Joshthefirst: are you talking about physical harm? Have you ever told unnecessary lies?

I remember taking something prohibited from the fridge when I was little, and lieing that I did not. That did not cause physical harm, but it was a breach of empathy and conscience.

Harm, any type of harm. Unnecessary is relative. I would never tell a lie that would hurt my fellow man. You took something prohibited because you were a naughty little brat and not because you lacked empathy. Atleast, you admitted you knew it was wrong. Whether or not you disregard empathy is totally up to you.

Joshthefirst: Okay. You've lied. I have too.

Now, do you realize lieing is disregarding empathy and breaching conscience?

No, not when the lies is necessary and it doesn't harm my fellow man

Joshthefirst: good.
First, I am not trying to make people think religion is the only way to be moral. That would be deceitful. Remember, I am against religious hypocrisy.

Now, what brings about empathy in this case? What makes lieing wrong? Have you ever lied before? For selfish reasons?
Have you ever disregarded empathy and conscience at all?

1. human emotions
2. Empathy
3. Yes.
4. No. Atleast none that would harm my fellow man.
5. Can't remember ever doing so.

Joshthefirst: for pete's sake man, stop trying to digress here. I am not claiming anything, just asking questions:

Okay, let me ask again: is it always telling lies for selfish reasons?

Telling lies for selfish reasons is wrong and empathy is enough to tell me that. The point has been made. Another dumb question from you and i unfollow this thread. Stop trying to make people religion is the only to be moral, it is a big lie told for selfish reasons.

Joshthefirst: cool. I'm not talking religion here. What brings about empathy? Can empathy nopt be ignored? Is it not conscience that brings about empathy(in this case?)

I asked if lieing for selfish reasons is wrong, and you told me no? For petes sake?

where did i say telling lies for selfish reasons is not wrong? You have come with your lies. You claim religion is the only to be moral. Empathy is. Whether it is ignored or not is totally upto to the individual and none of my business.

Chatted with a guy on facebook today and he admitted that this section has deconverted him from christianity. He is in the skeptic/Agnostic path now. The ministry is moving

Joshthefirst: you've just proved the op.

But wait first, before you explode, "If a god actually existed", would he be relevant to moral standards? Will he know what wrong doing is? And would he punish it? In your opinion?

Maybe. Doesn't change the fact that what you wrote in the o.p. is bullshit. Empathy is enough to tell me what is right and wrong, i don't need religion.

Joshthefirst: answering his question or not answering his question will not prove anything, as you're both bent in your paths.

same goes to you.

Answer the question or shut up!

Joshthefirst: cool down guy. What about lieing for selfish reasons? Is it wrong?

No. Empathy is enough to tell me that

thorpido: Dull brain?Some of you are just so shallow.

Answer his question or Shut up!

thorpido: Christianity is meant for a Christian to come and prove or defend something to you?You must really be joking.

A Christian who understands Christianity has nothing to prove to you.Christ came and accomplished what He came to do.Jesus said,'it is finished'.

Pack your self commot from here!, if you cannot answer his questions go and use your dull brain for something else

Rubbish

Joshthefirst: so telling lies outside the law court is not wrong doing?

Yes! if i lie to save a life it is not wrong doing! If i kill in self defense, it is not wrong doing!.

I said Telling lies in the LAW COURT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joshthefirst: the law court is sometimes ineffective and impotent since it does not possess absolute knowledge.

But wait first, is lieing a wrongdoing? Lieing with the intent of deciet?

Yes, telling lies in the law court is a crime punishable by law and there is no such thing as absolute knowledge, Your christianity has done nothing to curb any of this all you do is lay threats, the law court is action based on facts and proof. Not some bi polar psychopath god that burns people for eternity because he wants to show he is boos

Joshthefirst: wow. You're finally making a little sense these days.

So where is this law? Does this law demand justice?

The first question is particularly important. So I need your honest answer.

The law is the law court and it enforces justice, we don't need allah or yahweh for that.

Joshthefirst: I believe God is not aunctioning for worshippers. Is wrongdoing, ie lieing, stealing, etc a problem of mankind or not?

They are and that's why we have the law

slye: my brother you're going back. we ve settled the issue that its not a religion toyou. OK?
now someone shd ans my points made abt luke and jesus's prophecy. Thanks

Everything in that book is a made up political propaganda

Please what is sin?

like he said worshipping jesus is a sin to the muslims, how is that a problem to mankind?

Maybe Breaking the law is a better clause.

vickyO: He is no more an atheist. May the truth revealed to him be revealed to you.

he never was

Joshthefirst: I never said you don't speak out against immorality, I said you mostly do not speak out against immorality. You just go about trying to disprove God mostly.


The fact is that you did not read the op objectively. You just lashed out in butthurt.

buhahahhahaha

The christians started the mockery by calling atheist fools, and now it is obvious the atheist are winning you become butt hurt. You come up with a silly accusation of atheism not speaking out morality. You my friend is stupid. Do you know how many times the atheist on this board have lashed out at logicboy when he takes things little overboard, mumu, is this your new form of trolling?.

And do you even consider yourself moral with the insults and lies you tell on this board?

Dumb dumb dummy

onyfrank: All atheists believe in
evolution, which means
they don't believe in
morality and think we
should all act like
animals.

Dummy 1 of Nairaland.

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i like how all the christians shyed away as usual

re·li·gion (r -l j n)
n.
1.
a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as
creator and governor of the universe.


Keep on fooling yourself saying christianity is not a religion

Forza Barca!

@plaetton when would you consider writing a book?