₦airaland Forum

12salim:
A lot of us(cushites) have "caucasoid" features. It's quite common actually, but i disagree.Africa is the birthplace of humans,so consenquentially we have all the phenotypes of humans. So my phenotypes are not caucasoid,my phenotypes are cushite and im fuckin proud of it!!

About the woman, she asked to be rated about her photo,well, i posted my opinion and I don't give a fucck if you like it or not.

LOL, I am glad your true anti-black sentiments are coming out

Prof. Alan Cooper, director of the Australian Centre for Ancient DNA at the University of Adelaide, analyzed DNA from ancient skeletons and found that the genetic makeup of modern Europe was established just 6,500 years ago.

Read that, boy

You caucasian groups are new to us humans

Your caucasoid traits mutated from the original humans barely 6000 years ago according to your own scientists

So no, you are not ancient, you are a scientific experiment went wrong

You can never have our natural rhythm or athleticism

Insult a black queen again if you so tough "Cushite"

12salim:
No,im cushite (Somali+Amhara mix)

Your phenotype is due to a caucasoid admixture

The original man is black

By the way

I would appreciate if you stopped insulting dark skinned women ever again on nairaland

I have your posts and I can screenshot it and report you if I want

Black women are my queens and I honor them

Keep to your own nation and stay off ours

12salim:
No,im cushite (Somali+Amhara mix)

You are no Kushite

These are the kushites I know

You look nothing like an original kushite in your profile

12salim:
yoruba aren't moorish

Show and prove

Olu317:
The writer only sensationalised the account of part of Samuel Johnson's book. Lamurudu didn't exist during Islam. Secondly, there is nothing like staff of Bilqis in Ileife. Thirdly, Islam existed ,400-500 years after Jesus in Middle East,which made the story open to extreme criticism.

You are assuming lamurudu=nimrod of ancient babylon and you are also assuming bilikis=queen of sheba of antiquity

People take on names of great ancestors

Olu317:
I replied this post of yours but had issue with antispam bot for information that's neither copied anywhere nor having offensive statement. It is sickening.

findthebeginningfirst@gmail.com

12salim:
It isn't. The Adal sultanate was glorious,Ajuuraan dominated the Indian Ocean trade. You claim an empire that's not even of your own people to begin with and depreciate all sub-saharan great empires with your inferiority complex.

afrikan heritage is my own!

f.uck outta here

I found something interesting

Olu, googi, Obalufon all my brothers read this

https://zh-cn.facebook.com/notes/agunbiade-pius/the-yoruba-mythology-and-ancient-history-both-of-mecca-and-berber-land-of-ancien/10151404635628428/

Apparently Yoruba existed in Mecca as polytheists.. Lamurudu was on the throne but was killed by mohammed I think during the civil war

The war was polytheist vs monotheist

We fled to Egypt with king odduduwa, son of our slain king lamurudu, then we fled to Sudan and finally to Yorubaland where we met the ilaje and Benin in the land, they are related to us also apparently

Very interesting theory

An American friend also confirmed this same theory last night to me

Olu, googi and Obalufon , your thoughts please?

Also our original name was Sabeans and Nabateans

I also called myself a sabean and I never knew why

I just felt that was my original nationality since 3 years now

Very deep

Maybe that explains sungbo erodo for bilikis (queen of Sheba/sabe)

Olu317:
You do have a good heritage man. Oyo reigned for centuries. Although different people wrote about Oyo but the close time Oyo fell was around 1823-1824 through Afonja, after, Capt clapperton visited Oyo in 1822 and left.

Anyway,all the best.

I was thinking about this link

Mohammed warred against a highly polytheistic arab population

And Yoruba migration theory states we fled the east due to a religious war..

Crazy

Olu317:
You do have a good heritage man. Oyo reigned for centuries. Although different people wrote about Oyo but the close time Oyo fell was around 1823-1824 through Afonja, after, Capt clapperton visited Oyo in 1822 and left.

Anyway,all the best.

Thank you

Olu317:
Well, you do have a point. It only support the saying, Òmòdè gbòn àgbà gbòn nì wòn fì dà'lèifé. And if that be the case,it means,all of us are working for the unraveling of the mysterious Yoruba hidden and lost history. Although,to be near accurate with one's finding or research as it may seem,one need a lot of authenticity of one's claim,which ,I find unchallenging because ,my oriki itself acknowledges challenges but triumph always. So,irrespective of challenges,I will triumph.

On a last note, the research is to glorify Yoruba as a Race.





Cheers bro

Oyo Empire c.1600-c.1836: A West African Imperialism in the Era of the Atlantic Slave Trade by Robin Law


All my Yoruba brothers, please read this book


It is apparently the best work on Oyo


Our empire crumbled 50 years before European imperialism into Africa, that is why there is scant information on our empire from literary sources


That is why Dahomey, Benin and Asante seem more significant than our empire! They were still standing when the white man came, so he had artifacts to write about, oral accounts etc


Robin law seems to have done a good enough work from what I have read so far


I just paid $46 for this book, but it could be my most important purchase to date


Always wanted to know about my heritage

Olu317:
Yes, I do and I have release some. As I expect you to know,it is for my research work. Although, you can view some on, Arab origin of Yorubas. So also on Meaning of Adimula's thread.
I would have copy and pasted them but I have bot's problem.

That is an interesting idea.. Is there a way we can prove these things?

Some living elders might know something u know?

Olu317:
There was no known man in ancient Egypt, be it lower or upper Egypt that bore such name as Odudua. The record of prominent or noble people who lived in Egypt were all written in Aramaic papyri that was found in Egypt.

But, the prominent names with close found in Egypt's history and Yoruba's were Yebu,Juda-Jews, Ilù and the land of Onias . etc

The question are:

1. Who was the father of Odua and Obatala?

2.Where did all the scientific knowledge of herbology came from?

3. How did many words alien to west Africa are found in Yoruba's lexicon?

4. Where was the land of Orù,that Yoruba ancestors said they onced lived and there were claims that the city was destroyed few times?

5. The deity known as Ra in Egypt is associated with sun. What is the meaning of Okè ‘Òrà' in Yoruba land ?


Hopefully,the scholars, the Ph.D holders and Professors on this platform will explain the meaning of Òrà in ILEIFE.

Do you have examples of some alien words found in Yoruba language ?

kayfra:
Except you just call all dark-skinned West African and North African Moors.

Lmao

*called

googi:
No ill feelings. These issues are complicated and even worse but for the painstaking and ardous work by Diop.

Yet, we cannot totally dismiss oral history at the same time, we have to wait for scientific evidence to back them up.

I plan to read more cheikh anta diop and ivan van sertima

googi:
Thank you, that is obvious from organ donor genetic matching where family members do not match but people from different continents and colors match.

But prejudice is stronger than scientific facts.
Do not forget that black dynasties in Egypt at different periods, history and edifices were obliterated.

Even the flat nose of the Sphinx was disfigured.

Go figure that out.

And brother, about the earlier spat we had

I call truce

Our histories were suppressed/wiped out so I believe I need you, as well as all my other brothers to reconnect the pieces

When odduduwa says he came from the east, it could simply be kush/sudan

We all know the destruction of Kemet/egypt is what led to our downfall/enslavement

The pale skinned humans had to conquer the entrance to africa (Egypt) before penetrating the mainland

So it is very well plausible that our origins are truly eastern (egypt/sudan/kush)

kayfra:
Still, we are not moors. Though we have traces of admixture, just means we are humans. Every human is mixed

Moor is not even our original name

it was the romans who called us that

Moor was a derivative of Ta Meri, Ta maurians, then it became maurs, that is the original land of Mauritania that we held before the invasion of rome.. however the arabs helped us re-conquer that land, thats when we named it mauritania

Anyway Ta meri, Ta seti (Egypt and nubia) were quite possibly our first civilizations before we spread throughout the mother continent

Peace

biafranqueen:
3 years ago I warned Nigeria about the backwardness of the APC top dogs. I spent hours bringing to N/L and Facebook the progress Nigeria was heading in, not PDP, APC, NPC, APGA, but Nigeria and Nigerians. Imagine in 2 years over 200 Chineses companies came to Nigeria and opened a company.

It took about 1.5 years to get OBJ off GEJ's back it took another year to try an figure out we have to make our own weapons because the whole world including the United States refused to help us fight Boko Harem, they took our millions in South Africa and gave it back to Buhari. Where is that money Buhari got back from SA by the way? Clinton even refused to call them a terrorist organization, USA was hating on Nigerians progress and used puppets like Tinubu who was let out of jail to come and join the raping of Nigeria's economy.

You were warned by me and others that Buhari went to War College in Virginia when it was set up to be a school of assassins and economic hitmen. APC supporters like Berem said it will help him take down BH in 3 months. Not only did he not stop them but two smaller terror groups blew up and started killing Nigerians in the North and Middle Belt. Now 3 years later, more people have died than GEJ's 5 years, the infrastructure has not been maintained.
The only thing maintained in Nigeria the last 3 years is Buhari in the London hospitals.

We need a whole new leadership, we don't need APC or PDP anymore. Those old warlords have failed us completely we have to really go for a change this time not change of party. We have to take another chance and vote in a non- politician non-government woman /man into office.

Hypocritical statement that

You praised PDP for most of your post

Didn't know our fathers had significant presence in Timbuktu. That is something to be proud of.. I wonder what secrets those books in Timbuktu might hold for Yoruba and African history in general

The South African government is sponsoring the project to translate the books at the moment

Mike4S:
The poster should know that economic hardship in Nigeria is the most salient factor most Nigerians consider before making that move. In general, handsome salaries usually make people to sit tight because we believe here that: "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush."
While I've never met with the poster, my conjecture about her is that she has left Nigeria long ago. Nigeria today is not encouraging for job-seekers. Only those that are benefitting from the status quo are averring that all is well.
Those from economically disadvantaged backgrounds will always leave Nigeria to look for opportunities because there is no hope for them. As for me, I'm completely unmoved by every blandishment the poster is trying to use in her desperation to stop me from immigrating to the west if I see the opportunity.
There is a growing consensus that the situation is dire-and looking bleaker everyday. When it comes to making decision that affects other people, you had better base those decisions on consensus reality. The only way to escape the economic hardship in Nigeria is to leave Nigeria at all cost.
Come back to Nigeria you will see that our government's ruthless policies have caused the population to try any available wild escapade. It is better to receive execrable treatment outside than to receive it from your own people. If only you have searched for jobs and did not get it just because you don't have anybody at the top to help you, you will understand what I mean.
If only you have paid for electricity bill that you did not consume you will know that it is better to stay in a place where you will be paying as you consume. If only you have lived outside your state and you got a treatment that placed you as a second citizen you will understand what I mean.
As I'm typing this, my continue stay in Nigeria is contingent upon my ability to raise what will take me out to any first world country. Even though it is to enter into servitude and work as an unpaid labour for sometimes many Nigerians are ready to do it. Here in Nigeria, we are ready to work but we are not offered work.

Couldn't agree more

Especially the part about draconian government policies

And

The willingness for the youth to work but no opportunities

Olu317:
Quite funny , ‘Maybe that's why I have a huge Jewish looking hooked nose'.
Kindly find time to look up ancient Hebrew alphabets - words and English translation. You Will be shocked.

Ok.. here it is ..

googi:
Believe me, it is not easy but I have avoided superfluous adjectives that people use when they cannot use logical points to counter insurmountable issues in a discussion.

I do not know how proximity of Sudan and Ethiopia that has been known since ancient time got to do with similarlry of your nose to those you wish you were.

It reminds me of a girl with blue or green eyes that was celebrated on this site sometime ago.

Until you come up with useful discussion, this is my last response to you.

Okay, bye bye!

geosegun:
Being a geoscientist I can state that topography, surfacial processes and geographical locations (vegetation) would never favour preservation of fossils in West Africa, hence the paucity of fossilized remains of ancient man.

While I am not against or in favour of these argument. It's good to look at all reasons and available evidences from both angles. I have read somewhere that one of the longest strain of DNA comes from West Africa and Close to Ife, in present Osun state. This surprised the scientists and hence the reason they narrow their research to Ife within the Yoruba enclave.

I am open minded and learn everyday. There is something about that IFA, it gives the practitioner a lot of confidence and hence being adopted even in foreign lands. It was IFA that states the life begins at ife. It may as well means that civilizations of the Yoruba race began at Ife? Just thinking out loud.

As far as science is concerned, the earliest remains of human beings are agreed to be located in east Africa

Until unequivocal evidence on the contrary is discovered

That remains the status quo

Thank you!

googi:
Moore,

I wish I can convince you but you are an educated man that skewed your knowledge to inferiority complex. But most blacks do that even outside Africa. They always refer to their one drop of European blood no matter how much African blood they have in them.

Then, when looking for organ donors, whites are surprised that their closest genetic match is black or the other way around.

Does that make a white man black or a black man white?

You are no different from the most pure Hausa that claim Fulani is their blood in order to gain privileged class.

BTW, the oldest fossil evidence of man is closer to Sudan than Ethiopia. Your East Africa come after. That is still closer to lfe.

Your problem is not education or more info. but complex that has turned Africans into providers of raw materials for life.

Your post is erroneous

You said ife is the source of man and verified your claims by stating the oldest human fossils stem from Sudan?

Do you even read your posts?

Your problem is lack of proper education and fundamental geography

If you had the latter, you would know Sudan is nearer Ethiopia than Nigeria is to Sudan

googi:
Buroda,

Inferiority complex go kill you. It is undisputed that life began in Africa.

When you guys talk about originally or origin of a word or people, it can only come from Africa. Stop twisting it the other way round.

Ife in Africa is closer to the origin of man than Garden of Eden or whatever anywhere else. Stop relating to people who do not give a damn about you or relate back to you.

No wonder they give you Bible, Koran and mirrors and give you their culture to cherish but devalue your gold diamond, uranium etc in other to sell them back to you after devaluing your currencies.

In those days as kids we used to call morons compound fools. But not anyone here because you guys are supposed to be highly informed.

So please display your educated instincts here.

You show me no proof to back your assertions

Yes, east Africa being the cradle of mankind is an accepted norm due to the fossil evidence

However that is east Africa. West Africa is a different story altogether. West Africa, if u consider fossil evidence, is even younger than the Asian continent and Eastern Europe (Russia), and southern China

You claim ife as man’s birthplace but have no proof besides oral narratives and blind faith

I reiterated severally that I do not speak for all yorubas, I am speaking specifically for myself and my own family and other yorubas with Afro-asiatic tribal admixtures. My mum is Fulani from her male lineage.. that alone qualifies my moorish identity if Yoruba does not gaurantee me that.

You didn’t teach me anything new, besides exposing your own ignorance

Obalufon:
Do you know Italian Sicilian have 10% sub Saharan DNA in them ... I have a friend from Bornu state that had a DNA test done on him it shows 2% middle east 1 %Greece , people migrate .. Nupe man DNA will have Sudanic/ middle east admixture ..likewise fula...

People are just stupid , from knowledge of anthropology and etymology i know all blacks aren't the same .. we come different genetic variant that gives human diversity...

I do know about Italian African genetics

Nigeria has its perks

America is also a shithole in a sense; ethnocentric police brutality, homosexuality, racism, transgenderism and trap music

And Nigeria is the father of shits but there are opportunities for us here, businessmen and entrepreneurs if you can pay your way into that opportunity..

Its a tough climate, but we must adapt to survive here

kayfra:
Average yoruba guy carries at least 5% Fulani (Mali and Senegal) DNA. Those guys have extensive admixture with moors

My mum is pre-dominantly fula

Olu317:
Yes Sir,I have. In fact ,he was one of those that claim and support Arab's origin of Yorubas .
You see,I have read his account on Yoruba's history. Quite interesting as it is but, he pegged yoruba only to be associated to Noble class of the Arabs .

He also mentioned, Moors,Nubians and Black(whom I feel,he meant Bantoid groups) as the other group that formed the Yoruba ethnicity. He didnt mention Ancient Hebrew in his account but some of the words he listed are shared among the Ancient Arabs, the Hebrews and the Yorubas. Unfortunately, he didn't provide shared words with other groups he mentioned. For example, he did only comparison between Yoruba and Ancient Arab,while I did the the analysis of the Ancient Arabs,Ancient Hebrews and the Yoruba's. The Ancient Arab's– (Fatilah), Ancient Hebrew –(Phateelah) and Ancient Yoruba (Fitila),which mean ‘ancient lamp with ‘wick'. So also, Ancient Arab(Āsal), Ancient Hebrew(Haylil or lel) and the Ancient Yoruba ( Àlé,Àsàlé,Iró'lé),which mean ‘Evening/Night'.

The point is that the close similarity between the Ancient Hebrew's langauge ,is too strong ,to be ignored. I do acknowledge the cleric's knowledge because, he showed and proved with some of the shared words of semitic origin that there is a possible of Middle Eastern people were among the settlers in present day Yoruba land. Certain words are present in Yoruba lexicon that are in ancient Middle East, especially western part of Middle East. and these word list are alien or not found in Hausa and Fulfude languages,which are classified as Afroasia. Take for instance, Yoruba' ‘Eshù', , which has same meaning with Akkadian's Eksu—Aksum,(waksum ) which mean; sassy,perilious, racy, tricky,dangerous.

Again, I find something incoherent between the Muslim Yorubas and Christian counterparts, because I have observed there is slight arguement between the two groups on the meaning of ‘Lord of Heaven',
And in this arguement the Christians scholars and the Muslim counterparts agree on Óló/Ólú but disagreed on the claims of Chirstian's ‘Órún' and vice versa by the Christian scholars on Muslim's ‘Óhún'.

From your understanding, which word was original used to reference heaven?



Cheers

Olu I advice you to pick up a Hausa bible and compare with a Hebrew one

The Hausas are highly related to the true Israelite

I have both bibles and the evidence is shocking

kayfra:
On top of that, 8% of our DNA is related to an unknown early human form.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5573301/Modern-day-people-West-Africa-carry-genes-unknown-species-human-ancestor.html

8% is a huge number

And this unique DNA sequence is exclusive to west Africans

Interesting

OMANBALA1:
This thread is very embarrassing. It makes you guys look like inferiors.
This reminds me of an incident with a Hispanic guy who want to be white so much. He looked at me and asked what race do I think he is and I mischievously said white ,of course.... . But, whenever he runs into trouble with white people and they treat him like dirt he screams white people are devils. This is a characteristic of a weak man, he is not content with what God made him. And to be really honest very few human are satisfied in what God made them....RIP Malcolm X.

Can u show me any ancient structure in the sub Sahara dating before 8000bc (the ancient boat from northern nigeria is the only artifact dated 8000 bc) show me anything before that date

Can u point to any fossils dating beyond the ones found in east Africa, the middle East?

Common sense will make u open minded to other ideas on our history

Even your own forefathers claim an extraneous origin outside Africa... this is a fact

Study all the oral narratives of West African tribes

They all claim middle eastern Asiatic origins

You need to calm down and be open minded

OMANBALA1:
This thread is very embarrassing. It makes you guys look like inferiors.
This reminds me of an incident with a Hispanic guy who want to be white so much. He looked at me and asked what race do I think he is and I mischievously said white ,of course.... . But, whenever he runs into trouble with white people and they treat him like dirt he screams white people are devils. This is a characteristic of a weak man, he is not content with what God made him. And to be really honest very few human are satisfied in what God made them....RIP Malcolm X.

You are the inferior one here

You come at us for having knowledge of black sovereignty over Europe from 700AD till 1900s

Something acknowledged by the Smithsonian museum in Washington DC I have been there to see it for myself !

Now if you are arguing against Yoruba Moorish identity that is understandable because moors were mostly afro Asiatic from the maghreb

However you also had sizeable conscripts from the sub Sahara so what is your problem if I choose to embrace a Moorish identity rather than this s.hitty Nigerian identity ?