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TMKsouth:
It's not just "that particular Nigerian" - it's a Nigerian cultural phenomenon.

Other than the statements being of an irritating nature, what parts of it are inaccurate?

IronGalaxy:
The house nigga pattern, o yea.

Not even close to that idea as eloquently elaborated by the great Malcolm X.

The house Nigger has a "we' mentality.

LeSudAfricaine:
What does it say about your people when they say basically the same brain dead nonsense every single day. Doesnt it fit the pattern raised by IG.?

All it says is that there are "stupid" people in every group of nationalities.

IronGalaxy:
The thread has to do with a black vice_chancellor handing chocolates to he students then ou of the blue someone says the bolded. And they wonder why I keep refering to them as coons.

Hey, I can't argue in reference and context of that particular Nigerians response.

TMKsouth:
Morpheus and long-S responses

Dude, there's a comment I know u absolutely gonna love on my latest thread. Apparently the reason why a black Vice-Chancellor is handing out snacks to students is because of the whites. I immediately thought of u

No comprende my amigo, No entiendo lo que estás diciendo.

JaceBlaze:
Absolutely nothing.

Eh Mampara, don't just drop one liners and leave the stage. Demolish the logic otherwise remain silent.

IronGalaxy:
You've basically said nothing

The above statement will get you no where without elaborating but alas I know you get fatigued at such banters so the floor is yours. Prove your assertion!

IronGalaxy:
Lol,either way.I as a South Africans understand exactly what's she saying since we as South Africans we are bombarded by the same BS from Nigerians. You are on the other side of the fence and making excuses for your countrymen.

I fully empathize with AA and South Africans when they are "bombarded" by ignorant statements by "some" Nigerians. However, I can't control the sensitivity of some people over others. What is poignant is that we stick to the facts and don't get emotional because emotions cloud good judgment. Ergo my assertions are not "excuses" as you state but a level headed approach and interpreting and analyzing these situations hence the referenced to my opinion as the woman being too extra.

The point being AA's, Saffers and Nigerians deal with many a stereotype but we must all agree that stereo types are often times "true" but never the less "generalizations"

JaceBlaze:
They keep inserting themselves into our history.These people are desperate for relevancy.

We have undoubtedly been inserted in your history, in what capacity is the debate.

Case in point the below individual made his way to Nigeria on exile when the Apartheid govt was after him and lived and very likely died in Nigeria so you see we are there they just don't tell you.

IronGalaxy:
Point.1 The Somalia example was used to prove that your countrymen place so much currency in white people that the mere thought of their removal will result into a "Somaila" type situation. Most definitely not sensitivity

you are entitled to this "opinion" as much as the person who believes your country becomes a Somali situation.


Point 2. You can inherit something you helped build. if you want to go in-depth into this point then we will.

IronGalaxy:
You can't! whether we had whites or not we would have had infrastructure regardless. Your assessment is not a fact but a theory, something becomes fact when proven.

You are simply trying to dance around logic here. You are now dealing in a hypothetical. Every country is Africa has some sort of infrastructure after colonial rule. This is not the point being contended. Stop creating a strawman argument.

IronGalaxy:
I find that many Africans romanticize white settlement in South Africa, these people held us back in many ways.

You are straw manning the argument again. This has nothing to do with what the factual point being addressed. Stay on point.

IronGalaxy:
Point 3. Because Africa has 54 countries and very few have functioning democracies doesn't mean we would have fell into the same trap because again we simply do not know, Africa and Africans aren't a monolith .As much as you have a Yemen and a Syria in the Arab world, you also have the UAE and Qatar.

This is a strawman argument again. The point is not that you would or would have not fall into the same trap. The point is the inference on the long standing settlement and relationship with Whites in South Africa is evidential as having influence on the present outcome and dynamics of the inherited democracy in SA. FACTS!

IronGalaxy:
Lol, oh the typical "it's because they are jealous of us" narrative, thought as much!. 1. You are also falling into the trap of lumping all black Americans as these people who only speak "Ebonics" right? much like how an average white Americans sees them..smh. This goes deeper than the use language .Listen to the African American lady talking>As a South African I identified with the things she raised.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mWRx0cR6CE&t=96s

The lady in the video is a little too 'extra" if you ask me but lets calm down and address the real points She raises.

Point 1. The perception of Africans against AA is a 2 way streak born out of a lack of knowledge of each others experiences. If you were paying attention properly you would see that I addressed this in my previous posts. The general narrative perpetuated by the media of African Americans is one of the "angry" ebonic speaking gun shooting, purse snatching person and this narrative is what informs the perception of Africans who believe that African Americans are wasting away opportunities they have.

Likewise the Africans first contact with AA is that of disdain. Before cultures became visible through social media and increased travel of AA to Africa. The African was seen as a "jungle booty scratcher" who rode on elephants, lived in huts and hunted Animals all day. Therefore AA are as guilty of this cross perception as the Nigerians so that ignorance cancels the other out.

Point 2. You noticed that the woman in the video mentions these comments emanated from "Nigerians" in Nigeria in particular.

Point 3. I do not generalize because I have experienced America and so come from a point of knowledge and not assumptions. There are AA's of many persuasions so you cannot lump them all in one category, however i can testify that the Nigerian and American relations in America is not what you make it appear to be and the interactions are far more pleasant than in comparison to Nigeria and SA and I have made my observations as to why that this.

Point 4. The evidence you present is anecdotal at best. I can likewise post the below to support my own points neh


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYKix8a1nXw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmC8d8wxOx4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9KfDHN2aeE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1so1OswmY4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKYmSOTTDvw

IronGalaxy:
The same overseas Nigerians are accused of house nigga mentality by African Americans for example.

That's because AA have an antagonistic relationship with Whites. The "angry" ebonic speaking black man is the supposed default perception or interpretation for anyone black from the Western hemisphere.

ergo when an African American sees any Nigerian using proper English and engaging his fellow white counterpart in the workplace or outside on the streets he interprets this in the best way he can based on his experience with whites and labels that interaction the "UNCLE TOM" hose nigger negro.

The sad ness is this AA is limited by his experience in America and cannot interpret any scenarios outside of it so he interprets it as what makes the most sense to him, much like the average Saffer don't you think?

IronGalaxy:
It is not a fact because we simply do not know, we could have been better or could have been worse, there's simply no way of knowing. To say we would have been "another somalia" like your countrymen are fond of saying is presumptuous and smacks of bitterness. The fact that you even think this is "fact",to me it immediately puts you in that "average Nigerian awed by white people" bracket because it implies without whites you'll be underdeveloped even though there's proof of the contrary around the world.

Point 1. The statement that states that "South Africa would have been like Somali if not for whites is not a factual statement but an opinion. If you are pained by that then that's just your sensitivity azz in play.

Point 2. We are not dealing with "what ifs" when the statement "you are better off because you inherited a fully functioning democratic systems and infrastructure from whites". That statement is factual supported by evidence that is verifiable and that which supports the claim made by Nigerians in this instance.

There are 54 countries in African and very few functioning democracies when compared to democracies in western countries. Whites controlled these institutions in South Africa for 400+ years and governed in a far more different manner than in comparison to other colonial establishments in other countries in Africa. The democracies that were controlled by the white minority mirrored the same patterns as those in far more developed democracies in the West. Check and balances were strong and fully instituted thus the better functioning system you have in SA today.

What you conflate or confuse is that you assume this statement means that you are "incapable' of building or sustaining such a system, that can only be proven over a good period of time.

IronGalaxy:
You can be awed by the novelty of white people without thinking they're superior than you, and many Nigerians fall in into this trap, they believe innately is superior than them, Nigerians even attribute the building of a windmill to whites, that becomes a problem

The term 'superior' needs to be used in the right context for those accusations to make sense. Whites are superior or advanced in several aspects however this does not mean blacks are incapable of becoming superior. Its like conflating smartness with intelligence. They are two different things.

IronGalaxy:
what is it then that has "conditioned" an average Nigerian to be so obsessed/enthralled/captivated bey white people because trust me this phenomenon also does exist.

The lack of exposure to "whitey" in general. You will never here such statements from Nigerians that have lived over seas and have general interactions with "whitey" on a constant basis.

IronGalaxy:
All I can say is your people need a complete mindshift, whites are human with flesh and blood and mistakes etc. Lol. ...can't believe I'm typing this

Nigerians in "general" do not come in contact with White people as regular as do Saffers do thus the "awe" factor that is present but you Saffers miss the pint when they mention the fact that you would not be where you were today if not for Whites in terms of Infrastructure, strong and developed political systems and a sophisticated economy. This is fact.

IronGalaxy:
Your tendency of speculating where I'm based therefore I should know 1 and 2 won't work with me, whether I'm based in Alex or Balito is irrelevant to my points.
Lol, call African Americans "intelligent" here on this forum to prove a point but your brethren in the states call them "lazy"and "entitled" to appease white people. You aren't fooling anyone here

There are stark similarities btw the South African experience and the AA experience which warrant the stigma and name calling in reference to "laziness" and "entitlement". The issue is derived from the fact that like South Africans there is a "conditioning" of the minds of these respective groups that takes place over a long period of time under an oppressive regime that results in several verifiable instances where a groups that have suffered these indignities do feel a sense of "entitlement". This is without a doubt a reality and the average immigrant including Nigerians in America jump on this assumption without a full understanding of the history or implications of their statements. Their accusations are not entirely incorrect but they are likewise not fully correct when put in full context.

While the above statement is a reality the general relationship between AA's and Africans in general and "Nigerians" in particular is not as you paint it to be. It is far more different in comparison to the relationship between Nigerians in South Africa and Saffers themselves. Unfortunately a majority group of Nigerians that end up in South Africa are of a certain socio economic class and back ground which lends to these tensions in South Africa.

Fortunately for the Americans a majority of the inflow of Nigerians are of a higher socio economic background thus the better overall relationship between the two groups.

Though your statement is somewhat true when put in real context it does not defend your overall assumption of the two realities that exist in the respective countries neh!

IronGalaxy:
Lol. Ha ha. The term "xenophobia " has lost its sting my sister, you people absolutely abuse this word, it has no meaning none whatsoever.

You think Im calling you coons because of that video? Again you're missing the point.This video is just to butress the point. Im trying to show you the same BS you say to black South Africans you say to African Americans as well. I'm showing you the pattern. A pattern of cooning to whites. Now, If you are really really honest with yourself and not trying to argue for arguing's sake, you know your people, and you know your people absolutely adore whites and whiteness in general.

Nigerians upon engaging South Africans on any media social media the first arguments a Nigerian is gonna raise is the one of white people how we must be thankful to them" or how we were destined to be another Somalia if it weren't for the whites" I've heard this line of reason a million of times an all on all social media and in person which points to me that this is a general way of thinking.
Nigerians on this forum will turn any thread that to has do with SA,a battlefield, a "let's bash blacks SAns and lets praise whites. Anything progressive in SA, Nigerians are the first to tell us that is the work of the whiteman because we are supposedly "lazy " right? All these things you also say to African Americans too hence I pulled that video. Everything progressive in SA is apparently attributable to white people and anything regressive to blacks, which to me points out to a deep-rooted inferiority complex.
Nigerians will make threads on this very forum abou how a whiteman was seen eating Garri" or how so and so marries his oyinbo wife" etc . And you wonder how I keep refering to you as coons.

All I can say about this point is that the DA which is funded mostly by White Jewish monopoly capital based in the Western cape is slowly taking over governing in South Africa. The white man is slowly crawling his way back into power, they just use black-face tactics now.

IronGalaxy:
This is predictable

What yo scared you have no where to hide on Nairaland anymore.

Don't fret I am only on here occasionally but when I am. I wreck havoc on your azzes.

IronGalaxy:
There are tensions between Nigerians in America right now because of Nigerians in Americans looking down on AAs but pander to whites. Ive called the coonery of Nigerians out for many years now on this forum , the evidence is everywhere on this forum alone. I called another idiot out two days ago on another thread where a South African girl committed suicide, one of you ou of the blue says " we must thank whites" out of the blue.

The snapshots of twitter were from honest Nigerians who admit to your house nigga tendencies. You are in denial.

Where do you get this false notion of tensions in between Nigerians and AA's. Have you left your enclave in Alexander to investigate that matter.

The real story is that there are groups of AA's who are beginning to see foreigners as a threat to their advancements in America and this includes all groups of "foreigners". Groups such as ADOS, Black Hebrew Israelites and the likes are the ones that perpetuate a false narrative of Nigerians and Africans in general. These groups are similar to your groups in SA such as your #SouthAfricans first movement.

These groups usually pick on the most vulnerable in society to advance their agendas as they create "false" enemies in an attempt to galvanize a base.

We thank God the AA as a group are far more intelligent and do not fall for these narratives and gimmicks unlike some Saffers.

IronGalaxy:
Lol'if you think this is about "comebacks" then you are missing the whole point. The point is to highlight your tendency of butt_kissing whites. That my dear sister is connery, I dare repeat it..you are coons.

I personally don't kiss whitey's ass but I know you SA's are terrified of them. That much I can attest to.

TMKsouth:
Malema's Africa policy is influenced by the fact that he's from Limpopo - same as Ramaphosa who went on a whirlwind tour of Africa to apologize for the xenophobic attacks (irking many in the country). If u know the tribal dynamics in SA and Limpopo's position on the fringes u would understand why he is aligning with Africa. So it's not like Malema is going out on a limb - it's a natural dispossession.

Yes because they are the two tribal groups in South Africa who live in closer proximity to other Africans and have always been outliers when it comes to your tribalist attitudes in South Africa. The Venda have always been suspect as not being "truly" South African because they are a minority tribe and the Pedi have multiple interactions with other fringe tribes alond the north eastern borders that they are closer to thus their alignment and understanding of the complexities of African groups. Yes I know your tribal politics Mfethu.

I see EFF stifling the efforts of the coalition in Johannesburg as the coalition remains a minority government if formed and need their votes to form a majority government. in other words you get your Mayour Mashaba but he will have a hard time passing any xenophobic policies.

We wait to see what happens.

TMKsouth:
LOL, I actually don't dislike him - he's got a crucial transformation role to play. But I don't want him anywhere near SA public funds - plenty corruption scandals inside ANC Youth League and now with VBS. I pity any municipalities they'll get to run - they'll be cleaned out in a year.

Malema though extreme in some instances, stands on principle and reminds us Africans of the young Thomas Sankara. He puts race over nationality, an admirable quality and one that is risky but he does it non the less in the face of all that is going in South Africa. To endanger your political advancements on such principle where you go against your own kind is nothing short of bravery in my eyes and I salute the comrade.

The man will go down in history in the same respect as your Malcolm X's, Patrice Lumumba, Thomas Sankara and the likes. Radical but non the less a truth speaker and we all know noone really wants to hear the truth about themselves, do they


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP44gUixhSA

Lionessza6:
The presidencies of Ramaphosa, Biden, Justin Trudeau and others were not democratic but rigged to push the NWO.

I can't speak for Ramaphosa but where is your evidence of rigging in the US or Canada. Please stop peddling conspiracy theories. The electoral system in America is air tight. The Democrats had an advantage over the Republicans because they strategized early voting and voting via mail which is the overwhelming reason they beat the Republicans. No one rigged anything.

Lionessza6:
These cloned idiots continue championing policies that are destroying their countries as per the script given to them . They want a revolution so that they can claim these places are chaotic and therefore in need of military intervention where the UN will come in with their army to "help for sometime" and from there ......we will be fckd!!. Some parts of Australia are exactly what they're aiming for .....total control . These " sparodic" lootings in SA,black lives matter protests , white nationalists protests all over the world etc all these are tests and projects. The real thing is yet to come. South Africa is too calm right now ,that means something hot is coming .

Point 1. Does the UN have a standing army? Nato troops and UN troops are a coalition of soldiers from many countries that act on the orders of the UN with the US being the biggest contributor in terms of arms and soldiers so why would the US want the UN to intervene when their own army is stronger than that of the UN. Conspiracy theories I tell you.

Black likes matter, SA looting and white nationalist movements are consequences of a world that is shifting to the left where liberal ideas are being aspoused and not because some group of people are planning a world order somewhere. Liberalism is seen as progression but that is what is in debate. Is liberalism ie. liberal economic policies, liberal life styles etc moving the world forward or not is the bru ha ha that is going on.
Your countries politics is simple to diagnose. It is caught in a conundrum of creating an extremely liberal constitution but hampered by a conservative capitalist system which wants to hold on to economic power, therefore you have a colliding of political and ecnomomic ideologies. This is the reason you are having issues..

Lionessza6:
Yes,because they were probably caught red handed or there was hot pursuit and no chance to run off and disappear as they usually do.

Gosh! If you catch the Malawian,and that's a big IF. He will obviously have no choice but to tell where he's from ,HE HAS BEEN CAUGHT,no? . The point was that it's difficult to go after them when they're not caught red- handed or if the crime is not in a heavily policed area.

The Malawian could commit a crime in Jozi and then move to Cape town and no one would know,perhaps only his picture and whatever name he used would circulate on police list of wanted people, but how many South Africans have access to such lists?

Your response makes no sense at all. Does every South African who commits a crime carry his ID book with him for you to immediately identify him?

If the Malawian speaks perfect Xhosa and states that he is from Umtata how do you confirm this information?

Stegano:
Why is everyone crying to be in our country, yet we don't even wish to be in your countries.

If you don't know the answer to that question you are an I.diot or just playing dumb.

TMKsouth:
He's nostalgic of those days coz there were no hijacked buildings, overpopulated decaying CBDs and 'Worst Africans' on every dark street corner playing chemist. And he's actually proven his worth in just 2 years that he's the promise of a clean, peaceful and prosperous Johannesburg. In 2024 we will unanimously promote him to do the same on the national level while freshly minted President Tinubu in Nigeria turns 90.

Yes and those days he was also excluded from freely moving around Johannesburg and mostly Jewish people owned the buildings downtown. He was mainly secluded to his Bantustan where he exploited his own people.

At the end of Apartheid in come the location dwelling "South African riff raffs" into the same down town areas and out go the white flight Jews leaving the property value of the CBD area to plummet.

As the CBD deteriorates due mainly to crime committed by "South Africans" out go the burgeoning middle class to the surrounding suburbs and income the poverty and under class of foreign migrants taking up the spaces and taking advantage of the abandoned jewish buildings to exploit for money.

Yes he is coming to rescue downtown so it turns back into the beautiful haven it once was and once he runs these "dirty" foreigners out of the CBD, it will become a haven once more. Big buildings and sky scrappers will be built and your people can once more move back into the inner cities and re-claim your down town

Same script, different location in my experience.

Clap for your mayor. He is about to do wonders!

All hail Mashaba the savior of South African people!

TMKsouth:
Atleast he's not an 80-year old with bust-up knees, using a walking stick, spending months in overseas hospitals and yet frontrunner to become the next president of a country with the median age of 18.

That is true but if that statement is supposed to stare some sort of annoyance on my part, it fails woefully.

The comparison with a military dictator with an education of grade 12 who forced his way into political power and has really nothing to give to his people is not a good juxtapose to a local mampara from Ga-ramatose who also finished at grade 12, exploited his people by selling them dangerous hair products that fried their "kaffir" hair and is nostalgic of the days when he ran around the streets of ramatose and Rankuwa when there were no "foreigners" is a poor comparison if you ask me

But hey I concede, I do see some similarities.

TMKsouth:
He did wonders in the 2 or so years he was mayor and residents noticed that and that's why they wanted him back. Business confidence was also at record highs in a decade or so. He also closed off many of the corruption channels that were used by the previous adminstration.

Lets see what he does against the Illegals no?

We shall be back here discussing his success 5 years from now.

All Hail Mashaba, the people's savior

TMKsouth:
BREAKING NEWS: He's back!

Coalition of ActionSA, DA, ACDP, COPE and FF+

You actually think I am somehow grieved that he becomes your Mayor, like I have a stake in the matter.**laughable**

I actually want to see what the mampara will do given his time. Lets see if he is able to perform the miracle that he professes.

If I were a gambling man, I would surely bet against it.

TMKsouth:
All South Africans admit the government has failed on illegal immigration and that the police force is increasingly corrupt. Why else would they take the law into their own hands?

Looting of foreign shops is a blend of criminality and destroying foreign-owned businesses so that they would be discouraged and return home.

Right in your pursuit to justify lawlessness you want to understand that it is born out of frustration, therefore using looting as a defensive tactic is justified or in your own thinking "excused"

And you come here to lecture people about lawfulness. Hypocrite.

TMKsouth:
We want to regain control of the immigration system and have vetted people that we actually want in the country, and with critical skills or seeking asylum from anywhere in the world. Not all of Africa and it's criminals.

No issues with that. Mind you the greatest number of immigrants in your country are from your region in Africa and no where else but that's another topic of its own.

TMKsouth:
And I've also said it a million times that people have lost confidence in law enforcement authorities because drug dealing and fraud are lucrative and therefore cop bribery is prevalent. That's why communities take the law into their own hands.

Point 1. So the government you elected is complacent in your plight?

Point 2. So when you target foreign national communities, do you target them all or you target these brothels, hijacked buildings and drug dens? Why do you loot these foreign stores and steal peoples goods?

So in your efforts to rid your society of miscreants , "innocents" like your precious South Africans are hurt in the cross fire. Oh I understand now.

TMKsouth:
That's why people have turned to politicians like Mashaba who promise to deal with this problem decisively and "clean" the streets of Joburg - that's why he did so well in the recent elections even as a new entrant.

If your previous Mayor was a reasonable man I could reason with his drive to rid communities of criminal elements, however he does not articulate this in any of the speeches I have heard and simply positions himself as a savior of all things wrong in Gauteng. A good politician but a terrible leader.

He cannot and does not articulate the differences amongst immigrant communities in addressing poignant issues, instead everyone is lumped together and attacked for the dubious purpose of galvanizing your vote.

IF you wish to attack criminality then attack criminality first, then come to the subject of perceived competition with unskilled labor forces in South Africa. I have heard most of his speeches and sorry my friend that man instigates rather than communicates. My opinion.