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LaaJiblik:
GOD DECIDED THAT JESUS WILL COME THROUGH[b] A MORTAL, REPEAT MORTAL MARY[/b]

I was specific, as to the seed of a man.

LaaJiblik:
If God never wanted any “human-interference”
Why would he send his son to come as a baby?

What makes you feel God and Or Jesus will feel disrespected if another child sucks his mothers breast? Or come from his mother’s womb?

Why didn't Jesus come through the seed of a man?

LaaJiblik:
So after the Birth of Jesus, Joseph started firing blanks.
All the sex Joseph had with Mary did not lead to more children.

Is there anywhere in the Bible that expressly states:
“And Mary DID NOT have any other Children after Jesus “

Please show me EXACTLY where that was written in the Bible

You seem to think everyone is interested in sex. The bible says people give up for the sake of the Kingdom of God.

in Rev14.4
These are they who were not defiled with women: for they are virgins. These follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were purchased from among men, the firstfruits to God and to the Lamb:
And in
Mt 19:22
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are somep eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it

LaaJiblik:
Okay, maybe Mary didn’t have children after Jesus.

But that means all the subsequent sexual Intercourse between her and Koseph never Med to any fertilisation?

Some people decide to be Virgins for the sake of the Kingdom of God
Mt 19:12
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it

Emyogalanya:
WHAT PURPOSE DOES PERPETUAL VIRGINITY SERVE? THE APOSTLES CREED IS THE SUMMARY OF ALL THE ARTICLES OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH. PLS NOTE THAT VIRGIN BIRTH IS CAPTURED IN THE CREED BUT THE PERPTTAL VIRGINITY IS NOT COVERED IT SERVES NO NEED. WHY WOULD MARY STILL NEED TO HOLD ON TO VIRGINITY THAT WONT BE IN FUTURE NEED. WILL SHE NEED IT TO HAVE ANOTHER JESUS? DOES IT MAKE YOU A BETTER CHRISTIAN? AND LET ME MAKE THIS KNOWN TO YOU THE VIRGIN BIRTH DID NOT SAVE ANYONE BUT HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS DID

Here is your answer. Some people chose to be Virgins for the sake of the Kingdom
Mt 19:12
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are somep eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

So you may as well ask Jesus what is the use of remaining perpetually a Virgin

MosesAlex:
LaaJiblik you can make you points with out been harsh or insulting anybody
Mt 19:22
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are somep eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

If you must know this the basis the whole discussion. Both Mary and Joseph planned to be eunuchs (Virgins) for the sake of the Kingdom but God had other plans for them. Hence they were able to be eunuchs for the Kingdom and at same be foster father and Mother to Him who created them.
John 21:25 (makes us understand that not everything is recorded in the bible)
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
In Luke1 :29 note the bible did not say Mary was scared of the Angel but that She was troubled by what he said. Now why would someone betrothed to a man be scared when told that she would bare a Son. It should be natural for someone about to wed that the Son would come from the wedding, but she had already vowed to be a Virgin for life hence the Angel had to explain to her that the power of the Most High would do it

felixomor:
Genesis was written in Hebrew
Matthew and other gospels were written in Greek

Also, Jesus brothers didnt believe in him when he was on earth.
Its clearly written

Pls read more about Judas Lebbaeus here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jude_the_Apostle
Its even very clearon wikipedia.

@Felixomor Wikipedia is not quoted by academics. Why? Its because anybody can edit what you have in Wikipedia

LaaJiblik:
LETS ASSUME (WHILE NOT CONCEDING) THAT SHE HAD NO OTHER CHILDREN. ARE YOU SAYING JOSEPH BECAME A EUNUCH AFTER THE BIRTH OF JESUS? OR MAYBE JOSEPH AND MARY DID NOT REMAIN MARRIED THEREAFTER? OR MAYBE, JOSEPH BECAME IMPOTENT? OR PERHAPS MARY'S WOMB BECAME CLOSED, SO THAT ALL THE SUBSEQUENT SEXUAL INTERCOURSE BETWEEN HER AND HER HUSBAND JOSEPH DID NOT LEAD TO FERTILIZATION?

LaaJiblik you can make you points with out been harsh or insulting anybody
Mt 19:12
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

felixomor:
Its quite straight forward.
The names of the disciples from Matthew and Luke resolves everything.

Judas Lebbaeus the son of Thaddeus is not the son of Joseph
He is not a brother of Jesus as you believe.

Its quite easy.

Brother here means a relative. There are examples in the bible where relations are called brothers.
In Genesis 12:5, it says that Lot was Abraham's nephew, it also says it in Genesis 14:12. But in Genesis 14:14, it says that Lot is Abraham's brother. "And when Abram hear that his brother was taken captive....". It also says in Genesis 14:16 that Lot was his brother...
So when you say James is Jesus brother you are right but when you say from same parents that's not correct

[quote author=LaaJiblik post=63654983]DOES IT REALLY MATTER IF MARY REMAINED A VIRGIN?
DOES IT AFFECT ONE'S SALVATION?

Its disgusting how these catholic apologists think.


In order to justify their SEXIST doctrines, they had to FIRST of all accord Mary a Divine status.

Catholics teach that Mary is human, a creature. So speak for yourself

Isn't it an Irony that the catholic church revers a mortal WOMAN (Mary) this much; they realize how powerful God can be by using Women to achieve his most noble intentions for mankind. YET they denigrate WOMEN and confine them as second fiddle to men. So much that women cannot be ordained.

So if Mary is so important in the Catholic Church without being ordained a priest, it favours the argument that women do not have to ordained priest to impact the world or the Church. And we have many women in the Church history that influenced the Catholic Church.

So, God can use Mary; but no other woman.

False conclusion

[quote author=felixomor post=63640639]

Error 1: Fallacy of assumption that the Son of Alpheus called James had no namesake called James in all of Israel during Jesus time.
Which is most likely impossible. [/color]

Your claim is here is that there is a possibility that they are simply namesakes, but that possibility does not eliminate the possibility that it just one person being discussed and not two persons with the same name.

Yes. And they even introduced his mother and sisters as well.
Which means he also had sisters.
And they even implied that these people grew in their front.

This does not matter.
Read below.

This is where your assumption comes to Light
James the Son of Alpheus is a disciple of Jesus
Matthew was also the Son of Alpheus
So, James was most likely a brother of Matthew

This is where you miss it. Luke 6:16 ( KJV) I quote below.
Luke 6:16: And Judas the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor.
Judas and Jude mean the same thing, some versions of the bible used the name Jude to differentiate from Judas Iscariot. In Jude 1:1, St Jude introduces himself as “Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James”.

So in Luke 6:16 and Jude 1:1 correspond with respect to James the less( son of Alpheus) being the brother of Jude or Judas (not the traitor).

[color=#770077]Sorry, this James Alpheus is not the same James the brother of Jesus
Why? Because James the brother of Jesus didnt believe Jesus when Jesus was alive, so he couldnt have been a disciple.

Read:
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John 7:5 says, "Even his own brothers did not believe in him."[/color][/color][/color]

Well at a time his brothers did not believe but Acts 1:14 mentioned that the brothers of Jesus also devoted themselves to prayers. So when did this conversion happen? Can you show me where the bible said the conversion was after Jesus death? We know they believed in him before before Peter sermon of Acts 1:15

Righly so.
because Alpheus was also the father of Matthew.
So it couldn't have been Joseph.

Which further means James Alpheus (disciple) is different from James brother of Jesus (who was an unbeliever during this period)


Another mixup
You replace Judas with Jude. Wrong
Matthew 10:3
List of disciples refers to this Judas as Lebbaeus the Son of Thaddeus.

So this Judas is obviously not a brother of Jesus
He was the son of Thaddeus
His other name was Lebbaeus

I have already addressed this above , Jude and Judas are actually the same name. You may do a little research to confirm.

Another assumption you made here
Read the next verse. The Mary mentioned here is described further

[color=#770077]Mark 15:41 (Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.

So that Mary you just read, was Mary the mother of James and she came from Galilee, not nazareth.

And Galilee was the area Jesus recruited disciples from.


I quote

John 19:25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas , and Mary Magdalene .
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Nice quote but how did you miss that Mary wife of Cleopas( Cleopas is the Greek version of Alpheus) is mentioned to be a sister of Mary in John 19:25 and by necessary extension has children ( James the less and Joseph as stated in Mk 15:40) are Jesus brothers.

My brother, look at the number of corresponding things
Mary of Cleophas is the Mother of James the less, and Joseph, she is also a sister of Mary Mother of Jesus
Gal 1:19 talks about James the Apostle being the brother of Jesus
Jude1:1 and Luke 6:16 Say James the less and Jude or Judas are brothers
Mt 13:55(KJV); listed the brothers of Jesus as James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas

PrecisionFx:
No need to go down to the ignorance.

U can't luv dead people

You call those with Christ dead?
. Phil1: 22 If I am to live in the flesh, that means fruitful labor for me. Yet which I shall choose I cannot tell. 23 I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better

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Jesus Had Brothers??
Doesn’t a casual study of the Bible prove that Jesus had brothers, and that Mary had relations with Joseph after Jesus was born? Well, no, it doesn’t, but in order to come to the truth, one has to study the entire bible, and know the exact meaning of certain words. In other words, actually STUDY the bible, and not just take everything on superficial face value. So let’s take a look and see why Mary’s Perpetual Virginity is indeed the Truth.

First off, one has to realize that in the Greek that the New Testament was written in, there is no specific word for “brother,” but rather a generic word that could mean brother or cousin or nephew. That Greek word is “adelphos.” This word “adelphos” is used numerous times in the New Testament to describe “the brothers of Jesus.” Specifically, in Matthew 13:55-56, four men are named as the brothers (adelphos) of Jesus – James, Joseph, Simon, and Jude. But if you cross reference Matthew 13:55-56 with John 19:25, it says that at the cross were present the mother (the Blessed Virgin Mary) of Jesus, and her sister Mary (the wife of Clopas), and Mary of Magdala! That is 3 Mary’s at the foot of the cross! Why is this significant? Because in Matthew 27:56, we learn Mary the wife of Clopas is the mother of James and Joseph, the cousins, not brothers, of Jesus. Tradition has it that St. Jude is also the cousin of Jesus.

And besides the connotation of the Greek word “adelphos,” there is Matthew 23:8 where Jesus declares us all to be “brothers.” In Mark 3:35, we learn that whoever does the will of God is the brother and sister of Jesus! This is very evident with St. Paul, who calls Timothy his brother in 2 Corinthians 1:1, Colossians 1:1, 1 Thessalonians 3:2, and Hebrews 13:23.

There is also the scripture in Luke 1:34, where the archangel Gabriel tells Mary that she is to be the Mother of the Messiah, and Mary asks, “How can this be, since I know not a man?” We already found out earlier in Luke 1:27 that Mary and Joseph were betrothed to one another. So why would Mary, who knew the facts of life (we know this because of the nature of her question) ask such a question if she and Joseph were already betrothed? Because of her vow of virginity. We learn that her vow of virginity taken as a youth can even be enforced during marriage, if her husband doesn’t object, in Numbers 30:2-7:

"When a man vows a vow to the LORD, or swears an oath to bind himself by a pledge, he shall not break his word; he shall do according to all that proceeds out of his mouth. Or when a woman vows a vow to the LORD, and binds herself by a pledge, while within her father's house, in her youth, and her father hears of her vow and of her pledge by which she has bound herself, and says nothing to her; then all her vows shall stand, and every pledge by which she has bound herself shall stand. But if her father expresses disapproval to her on the day that he hears of it, no vow of hers, no pledge by which she has bound herself, shall stand; and the LORD will forgive her, because her father opposed her. And if she is married to a husband, while under her vows or any thoughtless utterance of her lips by which she has bound herself, and her husband hears of it, and says nothing to her on the day that he hears; then her vows shall stand, and her pledges by which she has bound herself shall stand."

In John 19:26, Jesus gives his mother to the Apostle John, which would violate Jewish customs that the next son in line would have to care for the mother. Jesus made sure that Mary was taken care of by a non-blood relative, the apostle John.

But what about Matthew 1:25, where it says that Joseph knew her not UNTIL she borne a son? Doesn’t the word “until” mean that Joseph had relations after Jesus was born? No, it doesn’t. If a Dad tells his kids to be good UNTIL he gets back, he is in no way implying that they should be bad after he gets back! Jesus said that he will be with us UNTIL the end of the world, which in no way implies that he will not be with us after the end of the world. And in 1 Timothy 4:13, Paul says to attend to scripture, preaching, and teaching “until I come.” In no way is Paul implying that Timothy should ignore those things after Paul returns. In 1 Corinthians 15:25, Paul says that Christ must reign UNTIL he has defeated His enemies. Paul is not saying that Jesus will stop reigning after that!

But besides all of the aforementioned, Mary is the bride of the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary with Jesus. This HAS to be a truism, unless you really want to believe that the Holy Spirit was somehow fornicating with Mary (an IMPOSSIBILITY) and that Jesus was the illegitimate son of Mary and the Holy Spirit. St. Joseph would in no way want to infringe on the Holy Spirit’s right to the body of Mary with any conjugal relations. That right belonged to the Holy Spirit only, not any man. Mary surely needed a man to protect her and care for her on this earth, and God chose the holy St. Joseph for this task, not only because he was chaste and holy, but also because Joseph was a direct descendant of King David. Jesus had to be born a true son of David in order to claim the crown of the Kingdom on earth that had been vacated since the divided Kingdoms fell 500 years earlier. And Joseph knew that Mary would have been put to death if people thought that she became pregnant through fornication with no husband, so St. Joseph served as her protector in that regard as well!

So, as the old riddle goes, "What do you get when you combine Mary with the Holy Spirit? JESUS!!!





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Jesus Had Brothers??
Doesn’t a casual study of the Bible prove that Jesus had brothers, and that Mary had relations with Joseph after Jesus was born? Well, no, it doesn’t, but in order to come to the truth, one has to study the entire bible, and know the exact meaning of certain words. In other words, actually STUDY the bible, and not just take everything on superficial face value. So let’s take a look and see why Mary’s Perpetual Virginity is indeed the Truth.

First off, one has to realize that in the Greek that the New Testament was written in, there is no specific word for “brother,” but rather a generic word that could mean brother or cousin or nephew. That Greek word is “adelphos.” This word “adelphos” is used numerous times in the New Testament to describe “the brothers of Jesus.” Specifically, in Matthew 13:55-56, four men are named as the brothers (adelphos) of Jesus – James, Joseph, Simon, and Jude. But if you cross reference Matthew 13:55-56 with John 19:25, it says that at the cross were present the mother (the Blessed Virgin Mary) of Jesus, and her sister Mary (the wife of Clopas), and Mary of Magdala! That is 3 Mary’s at the foot of the cross! Why is this significant? Because in Matthew 27:56, we learn Mary the wife of Clopas is the mother of James and Joseph, the cousins, not brothers, of Jesus. Tradition has it that St. Jude is also the cousin of Jesus.

And besides the connotation of the Greek word “adelphos,” there is Matthew 23:8 where Jesus declares us all to be “brothers.” In Mark 3:35, we learn that whoever does the will of God is the brother and sister of Jesus! This is very evident with St. Paul, who calls Timothy his brother in 2 Corinthians 1:1, Colossians 1:1, 1 Thessalonians 3:2, and Hebrews 13:23.

There is also the scripture in Luke 1:34, where the archangel Gabriel tells Mary that she is to be the Mother of the Messiah, and Mary asks, “How can this be, since I know not a man?” We already found out earlier in Luke 1:27 that Mary and Joseph were betrothed to one another. So why would Mary, who knew the facts of life (we know this because of the nature of her question) ask such a question if she and Joseph were already betrothed? Because of her vow of virginity. We learn that her vow of virginity taken as a youth can even be enforced during marriage, if her husband doesn’t object, in Numbers 30:2-7:

"When a man vows a vow to the LORD, or swears an oath to bind himself by a pledge, he shall not break his word; he shall do according to all that proceeds out of his mouth. Or when a woman vows a vow to the LORD, and binds herself by a pledge, while within her father's house, in her youth, and her father hears of her vow and of her pledge by which she has bound herself, and says nothing to her; then all her vows shall stand, and every pledge by which she has bound herself shall stand. But if her father expresses disapproval to her on the day that he hears of it, no vow of hers, no pledge by which she has bound herself, shall stand; and the LORD will forgive her, because her father opposed her. And if she is married to a husband, while under her vows or any thoughtless utterance of her lips by which she has bound herself, and her husband hears of it, and says nothing to her on the day that he hears; then her vows shall stand, and her pledges by which she has bound herself shall stand."

In John 19:26, Jesus gives his mother to the Apostle John, which would violate Jewish customs that the next son in line would have to care for the mother. Jesus made sure that Mary was taken care of by a non-blood relative, the apostle John.

But what about Matthew 1:25, where it says that Joseph knew her not UNTIL she borne a son? Doesn’t the word “until” mean that Joseph had relations after Jesus was born? No, it doesn’t. If a Dad tells his kids to be good UNTIL he gets back, he is in no way implying that they should be bad after he gets back! Jesus said that he will be with us UNTIL the end of the world, which in no way implies that he will not be with us after the end of the world. And in 1 Timothy 4:13, Paul says to attend to scripture, preaching, and teaching “until I come.” In no way is Paul implying that Timothy should ignore those things after Paul returns. In 1 Corinthians 15:25, Paul says that Christ must reign UNTIL he has defeated His enemies. Paul is not saying that Jesus will stop reigning after that!

But besides all of the aforementioned, Mary is the bride of the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary with Jesus. This HAS to be a truism, unless you really want to believe that the Holy Spirit was somehow fornicating with Mary (an IMPOSSIBILITY) and that Jesus was the illegitimate son of Mary and the Holy Spirit. St. Joseph would in no way want to infringe on the Holy Spirit’s right to the body of Mary with any conjugal relations. That right belonged to the Holy Spirit only, not any man. Mary surely needed a man to protect her and care for her on this earth, and God chose the holy St. Joseph for this task, not only because he was chaste and holy, but also because Joseph was a direct descendant of King David. Jesus had to be born a true son of David in order to claim the crown of the Kingdom on earth that had been vacated since the divided Kingdoms fell 500 years earlier. And Joseph knew that Mary would have been put to death if people thought that she became pregnant through fornication with no husband, so St. Joseph served as her protector in that regard as well!

So, as the old riddle goes, "What do you get when you combine Mary with the Holy Spirit? JESUS!!!





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lordm:
How does is brothers secure your salvation

You shall know the truth and it shall set you free

There is a common question, did Mary have any other children?

Many quote Mt 13:55 that list the brothers of Jesus.

See the identity of the brothers of Jesus so that so may you may understand that these are sons of Alpheus (Two of them are apostles).

The brothers of Jesus listed in Matthew 13: 55 are James and Joseph and Simon and Jude.

Gal 1.19 Identifies one of the apostles James as the brother of Jesus. (Note two of the twelve apostles bear James. One the son of Zebedee and the other son of Alpheus)

Luke 6:15: Says James father is Alpheus (not Joseph, ).
Luke 6:16: identifies the apostle Jude as the brother of James the less.
Mark 15: 40 Acknowledges that the mother of James the less is also the mother of Joseph. Hence James and Joseph are brothers. So with this we can see that James the less, Jude and Joseph listed as brothers of Jesus in Matthew 13:55 have been identified .
John 19:25 Identifies Mary of Cleopas(Alpheus) as the sister of Mary the mother of Jesus.( Note Cleopas is the Greek version of the Aramaic name Alpheus).
Hence the brothers are simply his relatives. Since their Mother is a sister to Mary the Mother of Jesus

felixomor:
Scripture please?

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See the identity of the brothers of Jesus so that so may you may understand that these are sons of Alpheus (Two of them are apostles).

The brothers of Jesus listed in Matthew 13: 55 are James and Joseph and Simon and Jude.

Gal 1.19 Identifies one of the apostles James as the brother of Jesus. (Note two of the twelve apostles bear James. One the son of Zebedee and the other son of Alpheus)

Luke 6:15: Says James father is Alpheus (not Joseph, ).
Luke 6:16: identifies the apostle Jude as the brother of James the less.
Mark 15: 40 Acknowledges that the mother of James the less is also the mother of Joseph. Hence James and Joseph are brothers. So with this we can see that James the less, Jude and Joseph listed as brothers of Jesus in Matthew 13:55 have been identified .
John 19:25 Identifies Mary of Cleopas(Alpheus) as the sister of Mary the mother of Jesus.( Note Cleopas is the Greek version of the Aramaic name Alpheus).
Hence the brothers are simply his relatives. Since their Mother is a sister to Mary the Mother of Jesus

Investnow2017:
You never cease to amaze me and all honest-hearted readers here. How can you make such assumptions and claim they are revelations.
If your arguements do not hold water why not be humble enough to accept the truth. Must you go against every rationality? How can you flush a clear statement of a Bible writer that James was the Lord's brother with a harmless statement of Luke where he simply referred to believers as brethren or brothers. I know you know that the word brethren can refer to brothers and sisters. How can you compare that with where the Bible clearly refers to James as the BROTHER of Jesus? Is that how to compare Scriptures with Scriptures? Matthew 1:25 is too clear to be interpreted unless you want English people to change their own language to push up your argument.

I have one recommendation though. Pick up a version of the Bible in your own language, perhaps you will find it easier than the English language. You may be surprised it will help you to unlearn the false teaching which you have held so dear.

Did you not see in Gal 1:19 that James the brother of the Lord was an Apostle. Are the fathers of the two James Apostles not Alpheus and the other as Zebedee. Was any one mentioned as the son of Joseph. The Apostle James son of Alpheus is referred to the less, some versions use the younger to differentiate him from the second James, the son of Zebedee.
Does John 19:25 not say Mary the Mother Jesus is a sister to Mary the wife of Cleopas (Greek version of Alpheus) is the mother of James as said in Mark 15:40.

Nauttyprof:
Brother, why are you lying just to suit your motive? Bible never mentioned James the less in Galatians 1:19. I have checked most Bible Translations and have not found less attached to it.

Why can't you just be silent where the Bible never spoke. Stop teaching people your view but allow the Bible speak.

The Bible clearly states, James, the Lord's brother.

Don't teach assumptions or human view.

You accuse me of lying, I was hoping you were sincere in the discussion but your accusation seems you have ulterior motive.

Did you not see in Gal 1:19 that James the brother of the Lord was an Apostle. Are the fathers of the two James Apostles not Alpheus and the other as Zebedee. Was any one mentioned as the son of Joseph. The Apostle James son of Alpheus is referred to the less, some versions use the younger to differentiate him from the second James, the son of Zebedee.

Investnow2017:
Thank you dear.

Consecrated here means for a singular purpose of bearing Jesus. The King of Kings. I wonder it is difficult for you to believe that the womb of Mary was consecrated biologically for her biological Son alone Jesus.

See the identity of the brothers of Jesus so that so may understand that these are sons of Alpheus.

The brothers of Jesus listed in Matthew 13: 55 are James and Joseph and Simon and Jude.

Gal 1.19 Identifies one of the apostles James (the less) as the brother of Jesus. (Note two of the twelve apostles bear James. One the son of Zebedee and the other son of Alpheus)

Luke 6:15: Says James father is Alpheus (not Joseph, ).
Luke 6:16: identifies the apostle Jude as the brother of James the less.
Mark 15: 40 Acknowledges that the mother of James the less is also the mother of Joseph. Hence James and Joseph are brothers. So with this we can see that James the less, Jude and Joseph listed as brothers of Jesus in Matthew 13:55 have been identified .
John 19:25 Identifies Mary of Cleopas(Alpheus) as the sister of Mary the mother of Jesus.( Note Cleopas is the Greek version of the Aramaic name Alpheus).

So we are left with just one of the brothers of Jesus to identify. That's your assignment

Investnow2017:
The Lord of Host is a title that applies only to God and not to Jesus Christ. This was how the ancient prophets referred to God Almighty even before Jesus was born.

The angels were told to worship him. Heb1:6
Without Him nothing was created that was created John 1
Or don't you know at the mention of His Name all in heaven, on earth and beneath it bow.
Don't you know that Jesus is God

Mt 1:25 And he knew her not till she brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

Simply means Jesus conception was not by man. It means that Joseph was not the biological father of Jesus for emphasis sake

Emyogalanya:
IMAGINE HOW YOU REASON YOU MEAN FOR 12 WHOLE YEARS HE WAS JUST LOOKING AT MARY WITH EYES

So you think the womb where the Holies of Holies, the Lord of Host dwelt would not be consecrated for God alone

Nauttyprof:
Assumptions again. The Bible stated what was clear for anyone to read.

Matthew 1:25 talked about future sexual intercourse after the birth of Christ. So, there was no assumption to the first bold texts. The virginity of Mary ended after the birth of Christ.

In all, the Bible remains the sole authority.

Someone quoted the bible for you to read and you call it assumptions that he should quote the scriptures. That is called prejudice.

The brothers of Jesus listed in Matthew 13: 55 are James and Joseph and Simon and Jude.

Gal 1.19 Identifies one of the apostles James (the less) as the brother of Jesus. (Note two of the twelve apostles bear James. One the son of Zebedee and the other son of Alpheus)

Luke 6:15: Says James father is Alpheus (not Joseph, ).
Luke 6:16: identifies the apostle Jude as the brother of James the less.
Mark 15: 40 Acknowledges that the mother of James the less is also the mother of Joseph. Hence James and Joseph are brothers. So with this we can see that James the less, Jude and Joseph listed as brothers of Jesus in Matthew 13:55 have been identified .
John 19:25 Identifies Mary of Cleopas(Alpheus) as the sister of Mary the mother of Jesus.( Note Cleopas is the Greek version of the Aramaic name Alpheus).

So we are left with just one of the brothers of Jesus to identify. That's your assignment

Nauttyprof:
Like I stated you've brought assumptions into this. The Bible didn't speak of the Pharisees referring to Mary's sister but directly mentioned those names as Jesus' brothers.

They are the ones given birth to after the birth of Christ.

When you quoted Jude 1:1, it doesn't validate any point as to no existence of Jude being Jesus' brother. Can I show you what Galatians 1:19 says - I saw none of the other apostles —only James, the Lord’s brother.

Tell me, if the Bible also made an error here.

We speak where the Bible speaks and be silent where it doesn't

The quote on Gal 1:19 Says James is the Lord brother. Now check Luke 6:15. You would see that this James is also the son of Alpheus. The other James is the Son of Zebedee

Primebuilders:
When you said he that is why she is always refer to as Virgin. Where in the Bible is Mary always refers to as Virgin Mary apart from Catholic church doctrine.
Are you telling me Joseph did not have sex with many after Jesus was born. If he did how is Mary always a virgin?,,

Mark 6:3 "This is the carpenter, the son of Mary and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas, and Simon, is it not? And his sisters are here with us, are they not?” So they began to stumble because of him."

That scripture indicate that Mary have other children. She never remain a virgin through out her life

Isaiah 7:14, Mathew 1:23
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel.

Some verses in the holy scriptures referring to first born son. There is a special significance to a firstborn. It does not depend on having more than one child

Exodus 4:22 And you shall say to Pharaoh, Thus said the LORD, Israel is my son, …

Exodus 13:2 Sanctify to me all the firstborn, whatever opens the womb among the …

Deuteronomy 21:17 But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, …

Psalm 89:27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.

Jeremiah 31:9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them…

James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should …

Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. …

Investnow2017:
Oh i like your references and persuasion. Yet this is not to be taken that Mary never had other children. She continued to remain the wife of Joseph after the birth of Jesus. If the equation of Joseph is refutted of what essence was he in the entire picture?

Reading the gospel account leaves no room to draw conclusion that Mary continued to remain a virgin. Those said to be BROTHERS of Jesus were actually his half brothers, children of Mary by Joseph. Where the context suggests otherwise it would have been indicated.

For instance, Elizabeth was referred to as Mary's COUSIN, Luke 1.36. And the other gospel writers make clear that Jesus had sisters too.

As there were many Marys so there were many Josephs, Judahs, Simeon, etc. And to a large extent some of these are actually related in some way. If those referred to as BROTHERS of Jesus were cousins or nephews, this would have been captured.

Joseph might have died before Jesus, hence Jesus handed his mother over to John his disciple-friend closest to him. Why? Apparently because his own half brothers by Mary were not yet believers according to John 7:5. But after his death, they became believers that is why subsequent Bible writers like Paul while writing endeavoured to differentiate the direct brothers of Jesus as he did in his letters at Galatians 1:19 and 1st Corinthians 9:5.

The apostle Luke who identified Elizabeth at Luke 1:36 would have done the same while referring to Jesus' half brothers as BROTHERS at Acts 1:14.

Yes, Mary had other children after her virgin birth of Jesus, hence Jesus is rightly called Mary's FIRSTBORN son, Luke 2:6-7.

In all, however, it does not justify praying through Mary or in her name when there is a clear command and principle that prayers should be said to God THROUGH Jesus Christ, who himself says I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father except through me, John 14:6

In the Jewish tradition a firstborn son has a special significance Ex 34:19 -20
The first offspring from every womb belongs to Me, and all your male livestock, the first offspring from cattle and sheep. "You shall redeem with a lamb the first offspring from a donkey; and if you do not redeem it, then you shall break its neck You shall redeem all the firstborn of your sons None shall appear before Me empty-handed.

An only child qualifies as a firstborn.

Junny04:
1. James
2. Joses
3. Simon
4. Judas

The bible said they were Jesus brothers but never said Mary's children.