₦airaland Forum

Jodera:
Lol...
Been following this debate tho, and I'll say both sides are right in their own way. But here's my view.

First thing first, I think the decision makers saw iwobi as a winger and not really an heir to ozil, else I don't think they would have sold him. Also, remember, part of iwobi's money was used to fund Pepe's deal for him to come (they see pepe as an upgrade to iwobi as a winger), plus the money was good to turn down. While Pepe is Manning that wing, Nelson is been prepared as Pepe back up(reason he wasn't sent out on loan again).

So if you look at it critically, you won't blame the board for selling iwobi.
Moreover, Emery never liked the number 10-role, and he was expected to stay long(not sacked at arsenal), iwobi also love the no 10 role, which Emery can never grant him that. So all these coupled with that, the sale of iwobi makes sense to both arsenal and iwobi, since iwobi feels he'll see the number 10 role at Everton (it was barely vacant there, as sigurdsson was struggling, and iwobi was viewed like an upgrade or competition to him)


Also, what made you think Arteta would have used or improved iwobi the way you sound certain @mostob. I mean, torreira have all the qualities needed for a DM, yet Arteta isn't looking at him. So we can't be so sure too.

This shouldn't cause arguments sha between us, Iwobi is gone, we're hoping on Aouar, and if bought, we hope he performs more than expectation. Iwobi might still even be used in the wing sef if he was Here, who knows?. After all, he hasn't played Am for us for once (nor can I remember any). So we should just chill.
The bargain was right for both parties at the onset, and the money wasn't expected to upgrade the Am position but the wing(and it was).
Now that we need and also upgrade the Am, it is time to go for it. So no biggie at all.

Coyg!!

You have a point. but...
1. Ozil ,willock and sometimes Torreira were playing the no 10 role while Iwobi was playing the LB.

2. I'm sorry to say, Torreira doesn't have the required height to play the DM role. He would have been our new Santi (in CM) but he doesn't have the ball playing skill.

3. Ozil et al were supposed to fill the Iwobi void but they were all inconsistent. Pepe that was brought in didn't help either...Thank God for saka that at least create some chances.

4. Pepe transfer fee was paid installmentally while we received €40M immediately from Iwobi sale so that was never a like for like replacement.

5. All in all, the inability to properly replace Iwobi was what made me implied that his sale was a wrong move.

Make we dead the talk abeg

Danielnino00:
I don't think Aina needs time to settle at Fulham..
He isn't new to English football..

yea ..you're right. let's just keep observing

Danielnino00:
Me too o..
He should settle on one particular position..
LW,RB,RWB,LWB... Moving positions all the time isn't good for his development..

But is that the reason he hasn't played for Fulham yet? Cus the coach is considering him for CB?

Probably or maybe he is trying to settle down.

Akinbahm:
They will keep deviating away from the main argument till they turn it to a moot argument...

Lolz.. let's just close the chapter Oga mi .

Danielnino00:
Na wa o.

Aina already has problem with concentration as a full back,now they want to move him to CB...

I hope it is not true sha. I want him to nail down a position.

I sincerely hope AINA will not be moved to CB. It might affect his NT performance.
cos I read one article here about the coach mentioning him among his various CB alternatives.

Oga Isan .... I understand what you're insinuating but it was too early.
Even when he didn't score yesterday, I was worried too because the fans may not be patient with him .
But you got all it wrong bringing Tammy into this.
Giroud couldn't scored a single goal at the world cup but he still get to play almost 80% of their match. Does that make him bad? No.
As a striker, it is a matter of what you can bring even when the goals aren't coming. The 2 matches Osimhen played, he didn't score but his impact was felt in that match.
Now the question is Can Tammy has such influence? What else can he offer apart from goals?

BlueRayDick:
Good! I'm glad you agreed Selling an average player for good money is a good move. But do you also know that replacing such player with another average player would've been counter productive? Arsenal probably decided to keep the money while promoting youth like Reiss Nelson to the flanks(Where Iwobi has continued to struggle), promote Willock to the middle (Who has been as inconsistent as Iwobi was) and getting Ceballos on loan.

Now if Arsenal feels they have found a replacement who would be worth every penny we are willing to pay, I dont see any issue with that. You really need to allow Aouar play before you know whether he's an upgrade or not.

I'm not against Aouar but paying €50M for such a player when there is still a major loophole (Partey?) in our midfield is kinda somehow taking into context, the lack of funds too. And TBH ,I watched some of his highlights, I don't see him as an upgrade to Iwobi.
Now, imagine Iwobi still at arsenal, the Aouar fee will instead be used to fund partey move and the major loophole will be solved.
And pls, willock can never match iwobi and Nelson plays different role so I don't see any comparison here. And I ask , has these guys effectively filled Iwobi's shoe since he left?

iamoyindamola:
Pained ass_wipe is here
Cry more

Maybe he is sarcastic cos the pictures already contradict his words

iamoyindamola:
What point?
That we sold an average player for a good money, we should be worried about those who approved buying Pepe instead.
I still insist we didn't miss it regret selling iwobi
Well your opinion matters and mine also

Selling an average player for a good money is not a bad move but failing to properly replace him made it a wrong move considering we have no good alternatives at that time. This is simple and straightforward na .
I'm not against his sale but failing to replace him with an upgrade is the issue.
Imagine we are paying €50M for Aouar... TBH I don't really see him as an upgrade to iwobi .
You grab now

iamoyindamola:
That fool will try to twist everything please don't be involved. You can make your point without insult but if you want to feel insulting is part of it be my guest

You know he made a good point.
But as for insults, pls let us tone it down. We won't get paid for winning arguments. Arguments is what make this thread lively.

andrewbaba44:
Yeah

so funny. They should have allowed him snap with it and keep it till he clocks 18 before releasing it to him sha

Spy360:
Don't be surprised soon by next year they will claim you said Iwobi was better than Aouar or Kevin De Bruyne...

MuMu dem.

It is expected

Spy360:
You saw it too.

Iwobi improving under Arteta is still tentative and probable. But when you see how Sterling improved with his shooting under Pep/Arteta you have belief that Iwobi can improve too.

I supported the sale of Iwobi because the money was good. But our failure to land a better player with the proceeds was the ish.

Iwobi would have improved under Arteta and arsenal might have probably use this Aouar fee to secure other positions (especially DM)

Your last paragraph is what I was talking about. His sale was at the wrong time even if the money was good. Especially when you consider we only have Ozil and Willock as our #10.
If we had properly replaced him, it might have been understandable.

Spy360:
You are the one that is misunderstanding mostob. He didn't say Iwobi is KDB or Silva. He said at that time when we had shiits in our squad Iwobi was our most creative player that his problem was scoring, that if he had still been around with Arteta working on him we probably wouldn't need Aouar.

Sometimes sentiments make people lose comprehension, but you can clarify things with simple questions and answer.

First iamoyindamola claimed he was not a starter and requested for stats which Jodera provided enough of, yet you guys still argue facts that are glaring.

This is the nonsense I hate on this thread. Arguing without direction.

Thank you !
So apt!

andrewbaba44:
Ansu Fati a 17 year old Virgin have scored as many goals as Eden Hazard for 2 seasons

Heard he was supposed to be given the man of the match award but he is underage. The sponsor is budweiser, an alcoholic company.

timay:
They replaced him with Willock and Nelson

And Torreira

Akinbahm:
Iwobi compelled me to curse Emere and Kola on Europa final day against Chelsea baba came in a substitute and he changed the rhythm of that match...

I could remember also majority of sensible Chelsea fans I watched the match with at sport centre opined that as they sighted Iwobi on the line their heartbeat raised up yet some Arsenal fans still considered him average despite playing with clown Kola.

Fkhalifah, back then do criticize Kola work rate that he's clueless some fan here attacked him saying Kola is good just bcus of assists he does easily with the help of others Europa final is an example of ow clueless kola was.

The same Iwobi I called for his head just because of his shooting prowess was even the one who made kola to be significant in Arsenal shirt with assist.

Iwobi being sold is good as far as transaction and/or business is concerned but worst as far as the team is concerned cause the management failed to upgrade him with a better replacement ...

God bless you .
The bolded was my major talking point.
Iwobi might not be a complete product but that guy was highly underrated.

BlueRayDick:
He will start at Madrid because he will kill players like Modric, Kroos etc at their prime so that he can start ahead of dem àbí?....smh

Iwobi played at Arsenal and couldn't establish himself as a mainstay. Alaye rest. This Iwobi image laundering we no dey buy am.

I no rubbish anything, I warned u I was going to drag him. You failed to bring any proof to back Ur claim of "Iwobi was our best playmaker".

Some of us do not attach sentiments to any player, we say it as we see it. Never will we support players to stay at the club with little improvement in their game. The Era of players turning out to be theo Walcott has gone. You don't live up to expectations; u move!

Agreed he won't make their starting line up regularly but as a Youth championship best player,he should be at worst a squad player yet Madrid preferred 17yo Mavin to him. SMH
Iwobi created the highest goalscoring chances in his last season with us.
I still don't know why you can't comprehend my POV ..''Iwobi was sold at the wrong time''.. and here you are dragging the young man.
I don't attach sentiment to any player too.If we had replaced him with maybe Isco or Coutinho,this argument won't surface.
But bro, You really need to watch Football and understand what a player brings to the team. We were all here when you were criticizing Xhaka and Guen but......let me stop here.
And if you can't get my point quoted above, you are OYO.
And can you please continue to drag Iwobi pls

BlueRayDick:
lolz.

Ceballos that was European U-21 best player. E get reason why Zidane gree sell am......shey na that one u dey use compare Alex "potential" Iwobi? Whether u agree or not the fact is ; Iwobi had his chances. His time is past.

We have moved from those kind of players to getting players that fit into project Arteta like Aouar. Anybody that still wants to watch Iwobi should go and pray He at least makes Everton's Carabao cup team so they can see him do his thing

The same Ceballos? How come he couldn't even make their starting line up.? Even a certain 17year old Marvin made his debut last weekend.
Oga Iwobi 's sale was a wrong move. Finito
I too have moved on ... the way you dey rubbish the guy was what brought all these arguments.

daveP:
Im not convinced. The fact that we having midfield hunger is kinda making him overhyped to me. The +ve outta all of this is that for Arteta to want him, then he fits the philosophy. If Iwobi was around, survived Emery and happened to be at Emirates with Arteta at the helm, we all, nobody on here can say crap. Rather we'll be singing high praises at how Mikel has madr Iwobi a better player, and insult Emery further.


Maybe we judge Iwobi by goals that's why he seem ordinary to us. We seem yo forget that even with Auba on the pitch, it got to a point that we had no chances created till Iwobi came on.


Well he's at Everton, and suddenly he looks so bad and many saying he was crap. Smh. That was fast.


He's declined since he got to Merseyside.


Aouar can come.



There's a reason I call him an Iwobi that shoots at goal. Till then, I'm indifferent, save faith in our Coachito.

Gbam!! louder abeg .
What made me brought up the Iwobi is because of this same Aouar transfer. To be frank,I don't see him as an upgrade to Iwobi which made me wonder why selling Iwobi when we will be paying €50M just to replace him 2 years later.

daveP:
he'd have flourished.

Exactly.

BlueRayDick:
As in I just tire ó. Ìwobi that could not even make first team at his time of departure..... Person wey still no make Everton first team. Smh....

I get its the Nigerian root that's deceiving people making them not see how Ìwobi was average

Ceballos is more or less a mere squad player in Madrid... Even the Aouar we are chasing, It is a gamble. Don't talk as if we have some world class midfielders in our squad.

iamoyindamola:
Iwobi was not a starter at arsenal FFS

He was. Especially during Emery era

komekn:
If you are talking about Oforboh l have my doubts in the HERE and NOW he is not Outstanding.

Frank Onyeka l don't know much about, one thing l do know if you are outstanding in a lower league better teams from higher leagues come for you.

This is his 4th consecutive season and he is still in the Danish league with Midtjylland fc, that is a league that's more or less on par with the English league one. He is getting paid a pittance, so he should be hungry if not for football success then £££€€€. Why is he still therein thus backwater league ❓ Because he is too good ❓

Samson Tijani has signed with Austrian side Red Bull, how many games has he played to justify a call up to the SE ❓.

Selection to the Senior national team should be by merit. Not by speculative projection.

My suspicion which is not without substance and l have said this before. When you play for the youth national team in Nigeria particularly the U17. This becomes a big opportunity for European football. As a consequence you will have sponsors or Godfathers within the NFF. Which is the DNA of most activities in Nigeria, it's simply corruption.

This means you will be given undue favour to boost your career. Because a huge benefit is coming the way of your sponsors.

Below a excerpt from a report on the matter of Tijani, we can see obvious CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

Make up your own mind.


As previously reported by this website, a top NFF official based in Lagos, Dotun Coker, who is the Chairman Technical Committee Lagos State Football Association, Siji Lagunju of the NFF Technical Department and Chief Joseph Uzoma Ebowusim will receive monetary payments for the transfer of the defensive midfielder.

Who ask you? All these are mere epistle. If they perform excellently and receive another call up for November double header, go and remove their names.

At this rate, any Foreign born that NFF approach should consider himself himself lucky. He should grab the opportunity with both hands and continue to work hard to improve himself.
Philip Billings was doing shakara before, he would have been our second choice DM now but guy dey form for us. Now we have Onyeka, Agu, Ofobor et al in contention for a spot and maybe 2 or 3 players might join them soon.

Spy360:
I don't think his sale was wrong. £30m was too good to ignore. The mistake was we didn't replace him properly.

I though believe other points you made like him improving under Arteta.

God bless you bro. You got my point.
The transfer fee was a decent price but the mistake was arsenal inability to replace him.
And to think Ozil and Willock who later played his role were inconsistent.
Anyway, we move

BlueRayDick:
I asked you for "facts and figures" showing he was "our best playmaker". Abi shey playmaker na by mouth?

We have thrashed that okpata yarns about "Ìwobi's sale being wrong" over and over here. You are talking about Ozil being inconsistent like say Ìwobi's best output is not just 6 assists in a season which is even a one-off . If inconsistency was a drug I tell u, Iwobi was on overdose of it while at Arsenal. He was on the way to pulling a Walcott on us ; remaining as a potential till he is in his late 20's when to sell him for 10 million sef will be Herculean task.



I honestly don't know where you suddenly got this notion of Ìwobi being the best thing after slice bread o.

Which void would Ìwobi have filled free of charge? . Arsenal fans sef ehn. When we had many average players here and there and we couldn't compete with local rivals in competitive match we were complaining about the crop of players we had in dem Ìwobi and Co..... Now the club is trying to change that narrative and bring in players that have proven records to assist build a team that compete both in the league and Europe we are suddenly hearing of Ìwobi's audio exploits. I can agree with you on any other thing ó, but saying Ozil's sale was wrong lailai.

Calm down Oga, If arsenal had used the proceed from his sale to replace him, it would have been understandable. An ambitious club will never sold Iwobi when there are no proper replacements. And please don'tmention Ozil and Willock. I'm not against his sale but considering other factors, HIS SALE WAS A WRONG MOVE.

From the bolded.....Which players? Ceballos and Aouar?

BlueRayDick:
Which yeye playmaker? Which year was that exactly?

Bring out facts and figures to back this ur claim of “our best playmaker” . Show me why his sale was wrong. I want to check something

Oga ..Iwobi was our best playmaker. Ozil was inconsistent then and who else do we have?... Willock..Even in some match, Emery had to push Torrera forward.
Since Iwobi left,why do you think we struggle to create chances?
I'm not saying Iwobi is world class but his sale was wrong. Why?
1. Arsenal should have realized how much Ozil was declining then and the fact that there was no other playmaker.

2. What is the use of going for Aouar with Partey deal left hanging when Iwobi could have easily fill the void albeit free of charge? That Aouar fee could have been used for Partey deal.

daveP:
Iwobi has declined since he left. The Arsenal Iwobi cannot be benched in Everton which is a fact many don't wanna hear.

Thank you..I keep wondering how much he would have improved with Arteta now at the helm of affairs.

BlueRayDick:
Which yeye space ?

E be like u wan make I drag Iwobi for here ba?

Drag am ...you are free..but the fact still remain that Iwobi was our best playmaker before he was sold. The fact that he didn't do a KDB every match doesn't mean the guy is bad.

daveP:
Aouar is just an Iwobi that shoots at goal. That's my own opinion after watching him sincerely. They are very much similar in style of play. But as usual, no one would love to see it that way.

Iwobi eh...and to think we retained Ozil then. Now, see where we are....baba no gree comot, iwobi wey suppose fill the space, dem sold am.