₦airaland Forum

ThierryJay:
Still not getting it. Yes we would have been late to the party without colonization, but by now we would still have had some exposure.

There are currently territories that were NOT colonized but still have some level of development . Trade made this happen. There can be interactions without colonization.

So do not assume by looking at only one side of the issue.

You claim by now, we would have exposure. What exposure are you talking about.

People that were scared of the ocean, couldn't build ships for international trading would have catch up.

Do you realise that as far back as 1960, people were still walking naked in Nigeria. The most developed parts of Nigeria were those along the sea coast specifically Lagos.

Pls can you mention the territory that we're not colonized but has the same infrastructure as the western world.

justtoodark:
you dey craze....your mind don miss road....

Lol

So Christianity was invented in Africa

No be rituals and human sacrifice una dey do

Una never still stop

YoungBlackRico:
Shut up, getting those things would have probably take time but they are all things we could have gotten through TRADE, without necessarily been enslaved.

Haha.

Obviously would have taken more than 1000 years

If colonization wasn't here, you will still be walking naked and dancing naked all over the place .

This should have been your brother and sisters

justtoodark:
why are you shiftin topic now....??

Why are you crying

Wasn't Christianity brought to you by your colonial masters

Or don't you know that??

ThierryJay:
There is a vital aspect you are missing out on.

We didn't have to be colonized to experience exposure to some modern amenities. The long passage of time and greater level of international trade would have ensured that to a large extent.

There are some territories that were not colonized and they currently have many of these facilities you speak of. How? Through trade and globalization. And they don't have to speak English, Portuguese or Spanish.

If Nigeria were not colonized, we would have had more control of our resources though most likely have dictatorships. And we definitely wouldn't be living in huts right now.

The big point you missed is that we were isolated from the world.

You need ships and merchant for international trade, we didn't have that.

Another fact you are missing is that you can not create something you have no idea of or haven't seen before.

Colonization actually brought international trade and exposure to western way of life.

justtoodark:
you are mad....i should be thankful to evil people....??

you are a shame to your ancestors....if you were chinese and talked like this you would disappear fast....
dont even try it with indians sef....their own na finish you at the spot....

Stop all these your online threat.

All your Christian pastors practicing the colonial masters religion told you all to hate your ancestors and that there are ancestors causes that passes from generation to generation.

Are you practicing traditional religion or Christianity?

It is obvious that you are a Christian and practicing the religion of your colonial masters.

justtoodark:
stop talkin....!!

this is insane....!!

You are the one that need to stop talking

The fact that you are typing in English say thanks to your colonial masters.

Or is English your native language

pillager:
Go back to school man

Someone is saying that I should go back to school, the same school set up by the colonial masters and instructed in the colonial masters language

What an irony!



You guys are a joke

bammo:
They also brought diseases. And don't forget we had traditional and inexpensive health remedies before they came. They came and set up a corrupt system of government which they can manipulate for their own advantage and they did this without our consent. I think without them, we would have been just fine just like our ancestors were

They brought diseases that is true

Our traditional medicines couldn't solve many diseases. Many of us died off from malaria and other diseases we had.

Western medicine brought lot remedies to many diseases we had in Africa.

Without them we would have been fine and won't have been where we are right now.

bammo:
And you think Lagos is heaven now?
I went to Lagos and everyone was begging to survive.

More better after colonization

zumbigbo:
They are building huts now all over the place in the West. It's called eco-living - using what we were using before, wood, bamboo, earth. lol..

Keep on juggling their balls in your throat.

They are not building any hut in the west.

Europeans have a style of wood architecture that is commonly in the country side

We have a mud style because of availability of mud here in Africa

Ghostagain:
Again, you are either a child or not very smart or you are just trying to vex. Am I supposed to seriously respond to this ?

I am not so smart for understanding the reality of life.

The man saying I am not very smart is even typing in English brought to him by his colonial masters from Britain.

He even look down in disdain on people who speak his local language.

Ghostagain:
It's hard to reply you because you don't focus on anything, nor do you actually have any arguments, you seem to be more interested in vexation then in actually seriously discussing the topic.

1. We didn't need paved roads.
2. We didn't have a written form of language, we had our own indigenous systems, not European schools.
3. There is clearly a horse in the painting of Oba of Benin.
4. You are basically saying that we were not Europe. Yes we were not, we were Africans and we had our own way of life, our own culture, our own needs and our own centres of interest which are not the same as those of Europeans.
5. Benin had its own architecture which was not limited to walls

See there is nothing to discuss

You only want to tell me that the benin kingdom is great because they built a mud wall.

1,The kingdom is so great that 14 soldiers destroyed the kingdom and stole all its artifacts which are all in British museum today.

2,You didn't have paved roads because it was not an advanced society, now you have paved roads brought to you by your colonial masters.

3,You didn't have a written form because the people weren't educated even in their local language, they couldn't even read and write, that is one reason why the British conquer the land. Today English is been taught all over benin schools.

4. They didn't have any form of writing. Because there was no schools or university. Today you all write in English and not in your local languages.

5.The horse must have been a gift from the queen or king of England.

6. Benin had its own architecture which was hut or mud houses. These architectures can still been seen in benin city today

RodgersAkpafu:
still being mentally defeated
Mud houses and huts were suited for the environment and our own way of life which worked for us at the time

Well built mud houses were the ultimate insulators, keeping the heat out, while keeping inside cool
That was exactly what we needed at the time and it worked for us

Our farming was labour intensive because that's what was suited for us (we had large families)

Our ways of life was in tandem with the environment (we were eco friendly)

We had our own legal system in place (fear of African Gods were the beginning of wisdom and kept everyone in check)

We had our own forms of quarantine (dubbed as "evil forests" were undesirables were banished to, so they don't infect the general population with diseases or whatever )


We don't need sky scrapers because we have the land and the space
Thinking sky scraper is a sign of development is peak delusion because rill today, many countries in central and Eastern Europe don't have sky scrapers (very minimal if at all) because unlike dumb Africans, they stuck to their historical style of building and people are appreciating it
The list goes on and on

the white man came and convinced you that your ways were inferior to his and YOUR DUMB ASS BELIEVED HIM.

And you say you are not mentally defeated
Okay, you have adapted his way of life, governance and all that
How well have you fared since then ?

Think for goodness sakes !

You have been programmed to think less of yourself and you are buying into the crap...
Your ancestors will be ashamed of you to see their descendant cooning.

White man tell u say you be descendant of Ham (a nigga you have never heard of before ) and because he was cursed by Noah (yet another nigga you never heard of before) ; and by virtue of that, you are designated inferior, and you believe him

You claim mud houses were suitable for the environment but here you are writing from the comfort of a House.

Why are you not staying in a mud house or hut

Your guys aren't always tune with reality.

Basically all the stuff you are enjoying are as a result of colonization.

The suit you wear and your mannerisms, even the churches you attend are as a result of colonization.

If they tell you to go do Traditional religion, you will be here shouting in the name of Jesus your colonial masters brought to you.

The only reason you typed all these is because you want to argue

But deep down in your heart, you know that without your colonial masters, you won't be able to write in English.

Can you even write in your local language or even preach fluently in your local language?

Do you worship, the benin Gods or the white man God?

Do you attend traditional God's festival or you do the Christian festival?

I am sure you do none of your local traditions but respect the Christian traditions and here you are trying to say i am a dumb African

Call me dumb because that I can see the reality and not argue blindly like the way you are doing.

Call me dumb for accepting the reality, that we were colonized, defeated and a foreign God and way of life was imposed on us. I accept the badge of dumbness gladly

Ghostagain:
You've got proof or you're just talking out of emotions towards your slave masters ?

You talking about walls, I am talking about infrastructures like paved roads, hospitals, schools, universities, irrigation systems, tap water, drainage systems, electricity, horse or cart as a means of transportation

The only stuff you brag about is a wall which the British destroyed with 14 soldiers from the north.

You posted a drawing of benin drew by your colonial masters. It is obvious you don't have written history

Did you see men without clothes and women naked in that picture?

Isn't that the benin king selling his people into slavery

What are you defending?

You have no argument if you are showing me mud walls and mud huts

You all claim you are free from colonization but you run there and want to live there.

Your country Nigeria is a member of the common wealth controlled by the king

Golan007:
What's wrong with the house?

Can you live in a hut

Golan007:
And so what?

You obviously have no argument.

Golan007:
Without skyscrapers we aren't human?

We had huts, they had skyscrapers, that is the point

Now that there are houses

Can you live in a hut after living in an apartment building or a house concept brought by colonization.

Datguy5:
how? most of those things weren't invented during the times of my ancestors

but here

" Fred Pearce wrote in New Scientist:

They extend for some 16,000 km in all, in a mosaic of more than 500 interconnected settlement boundaries. They cover 2,510 sq. miles (6,500 square kilometres) and were all dug by the Edo people. In all, they are four times longer than the Great Wall of China, and consumed a hundred times more material than the Great Pyramid of Cheops. They took an estimated 150 million hours of digging to construct, and are perhaps the largest single archaeological phenomenon on the planet."

"The Impluvium was used in Benin architecture to store rainwater. Among the residences of the nobility, a compluvium channeled the rainwater into the impluvium in order to permit light and air through the walls since windows were absent among these structures. The stored rainwater in the impluvium was discharged out of the house through a drainage system beneath the floor.[59] Archaeological works from the mid 20th century has revealed the existence of edge-laid potsherd pavements in Benin city, dated around or prior to the 14th century.[60] The Walls of Benin are a series of earthworks made up of banks and ditches, called Iya in the Edo language in the area around present-day Benin City, the capital of present-day Edo, Nigeria. They consist of 15 kilometres (9.3 miles) of city iya and an estimated 16,000 kilometres (9,900 miles) in the rural area around Benin.[61] Some estimates suggest that the walls of Benin may have been constructed between the thirteenth and mid-fifteenth century CE[62] and others suggest that the walls of Benin (in the Esan region) may have been constructed during the first millennium AD"

All these na grammar

Show me picture. Show me picture

Atleast in 1890, there was pictures of skyscrapers in New York

How was benin in 1890

Was there a sky scrappers?

Was there hospitals?

Was there a school?

Was there modern housing?

Was there drainage systems and tap water facilities?

Was there electricity?


Benin in 1890 was filled with huts

Metrofox:
Did they fight because of tribal differences or religion like India and Nigeria?

They civil war was about slavery.

The south wanted slavery, the north wanted to abolish it

The clash in ideas led to the civil war

Chonchin:
Reparation for what exactly? Slavery was already an established institution being run by Muslim Arabs before Europeans ever stepped in Africa.

Is Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries going to pay reparation for enslaving Africans longer than Europeans ever did ? I don’t think so. Britain owes non of you reparations

There was slave market before the arabs and European came.

They just capitalize on it and expanded it

Datguy5:
Actually, this is very wrong and can be prove wrong by a simple google search, maybe it is your ancestors that were savages, not mine

Ok

Show me the hospitals, the paved roads and the city centers, the rail way, your ancestors built

The skyscrapers, the cars, the ships, your ancestors built before colonization

RodgersAkpafu:
This is very crazy to read
Africans are truly mentally defeated people
Shame

We are not mentally defeat

I can show you videos and pictures

There are historical facts.

If no because they came, Lagos and many part of Nigeria as we call it now, will still be a jungle

This would have been your house

Dogalmighty17:
See broda! Broda wey mumu. Broda wey no wise.

I no wise and I mumu.

If not because of the British, no be hut and farming you suppose dey do.

Highest na to tie leather for your waist dey waka go your neighbor hut go gist.

Gerrard59:
My friendship with Tensazangetsu20 is based on trust and freedom of expression aka Say As It's. Between ourselves, we've shared our job hunting struggles and wins. I've seen his pay slips and employment letters. He started with less than a $3K per month remote job, but now has two more jobs with the most recent being with The State Bank of Chile. Altogether his earnings is more than $10K per month. Trust me when I say he's living an extremely comfortable life in Chile.

cc: motymop & press9jatv

With the state Bank of Chile??

Can he speak Spanish?

You are telling me that they choose him to work with the state Bank of Chile( a Nigerian,)

It is hard to believe anyone on naira land.

RodgersAkpafu:
How can it be true ?

The language you are typing with

Who brought it?

The primary school and the university you went to, who brought the idea

The cloth you are wearing, obviously western, who brought it

The concept of living in a house and not a hut, who brought the concept

Thanks to colonization

To be realistic, his statement is true.

The British brought western education, hospitals and clinics, roads, new way of farming, improved farming tools and seeds etc, obviously they also brought their religion and churches.

I have watched lot of videos, to be sincere we should be thanking them.

Many of us will still be living in hut, sold as slaves, naked without electricity and no ambition

I saw this stuff online and I was not happy

They say it is skit but your skit is encouraging violence on people

Why can't people correct others with love and care.

If that was her child, will she do that to her.

I am becoming to have a negative opinion about Nigerian women

Are they just violent not all but most

Even the men that were supposed to call out the act were busy laughing

Something is wrong with most Nigerians

YoungLionken:
Una don begin do alnight for nairaland .?

The so called Gambaryan committed the same crime (fraud) with our own Hushpuppi, but the foreign government maintained silence and negotiated with our government. But when it's their turn, it becomes wrong as they foreigners suddenly become "too holy" to release a criminal ...

Where is the evidence that he committed the crime

Is he the owner of Binance

Gerrard59:
I would sound like a broken record, but Tensa20 is doing very well as he earns not less than $10K per month even on a student visa.

What do you have against Chile - South America's most developed and prosperous country?

Bros...calm down with your yarn.

No be everything you go dey believe

Verify info first then talk

misreal:
Can you imagine?.
See what we were saying na.
If Israel fires 200 missiles into Tehran,Iran will just finish.
Israel is entering Iran with little resistance.
Abeg Iran should behave abeg.

Stop watching movie and use your head to think

Israel had to stop their invasion of Lebanon because of losses

Do you think a country with a population of 6million will defeat IRan of 80million

That is impossible.

Israel can not invade Iran

Iran are the super power of the middle east and will defeat Israel to the last man because of population