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Ferisidowu:
AM sure you aren't a 10 yr old....
even reason shows that a creator will always be different from creation...

How is your first paragraph an answer to my question? If believe in the Bible God then he is a He to you but not to others...that's why I asked...how did you know that God is a he , She or it?

vaxx:
i understand where you are coming from, i have to put you into check so that you will not follow the same standard people with the same ideology like you follow. my concern is to let you focus on the topic and do not derail it yourself. again do not let me see it as a debate, i never said i am seeing it as a debate. be open minded.

Good, a restaurant needs people to operate it since it was built by people and should also be manage by people. good point

so lets apply the same theory to science theory( big bang). your analogy will invalidate the principle of science . since science indicate the universe has no author and it is managing itself. you can see clearly your own answer has invalidate scientific theory unless you want to argue otherwise.

This is why i said , within yourself rest the truth you are looking for, the nature has given you a logical clue that universe cannot come from nothing and it can not be operated by itself , there must be a something behind his wheel. so the something is what the world term as GOD. God is just an appellation, you has an individual may coin your own word to fit your mental position. i prefer calling the something OLODUMARE since that make me comfortable.

Fair enough for my quest.
Thanks

Ferisidowu:
there's something you seem not to know,,, basically humans can't help you if you see them as fools,,,, God can only be known by Revelation....

it your choice to believe or not,,,, no one forces you to believe in him....

come to think of it,,, why doesn't he appear
to everyone... yet that's not an excuse ordinary sense shows that for there to be a creation, there must be a creator

it must be cause before effect


the fact that science complements religion to an extent.....

How did you established that God is a he , she, or it.

Ferisidowu:
you don't know big bang theory,,,, you don't believe the Bible,,,, how then do you want to be taught about God??,,,, or what makes you think there's no such thing as God,?

These are my questions.
is it possible to know God without using the holy books?
Must God be known through the religious angle alone?
The Torah, Qur'an, Bible etc.
Must this books be quoted to solidify the existence of God?
Is there anything in nature or universe that can logically and rationally explain God?

From your own perspective, human must believe in something. Well I don't and that's why I am trying to make sense of it in the absence of other predominant beliefs

vaxx:
i am asking you can a restaurant operate itself without people in it? please try as much as possible to read my post well before you reply, do not let me see this discussion as a debate. we should be having discussion here.

You do not sound as if we are having a discussion. You seems irritated by the question. I answered your question with question it becomes a problem. You don't have to comment if you are seeing it as a debate cos I am not going to accept your opinion just because you believe you are in a position of authority to deal it out.

Meanwhile, a restaurant needs people to operate it as it was built by people and should be managed by people.

Ferisidowu:
do you know much about the big bang theory?

No I don't.

Ferisidowu:
everything talks about God

Do not be vague in your answers. Expatiate.

vaxx:
I ask you a question..... I am expecting an answer.. Do not reply me with question.you are commiting a falacy here. I assume you wanted to learn that is why you ask the question or do you have the answer already. So we can begin dealing with it.

The question again. Can restaurant put itself in motion without people in it?

Do you mean literally or figuratively cos a restaurant which is a house can't move?
Rephrase your question please.

vaxx:
Yes the nature is a typical example. Let's use the science evidence. (Big bang)that the universe accidentally spring forth from an element smaller than an atom to the size bigger than galaxy and hence birth stars , , planets , moon etc in the supernova. And till now it is believe that the universe is still expanding (dark matter) so if you clearly check this follow up , you will gladly see the universe is in motion.

So let me ask you . if we should follow scientific principle ( big bang theory) that universe was accidentally created, should we also accept that universe set itself in motion accidentally?


For example , we ignorantly believe a big restaurant set up itself, should we still believe it can operate itself without people in it? At least somethinog must put the reasturant in motion.......

So that something is God.? Are they many or just one.? Men has been able to set a lot of things in motion..create things too. Does it make man God?

vaxx:
Are you imagine God to be she or he? Why do you use who? It shows a flaw in your question. It presume you already have a clue. Your question should be what is God?

From a traditionalist perspective, ifa monotheistic. I believe in a single creative force known as Olodumare. The Universe in it’s entirety springs from that single source. Unlike the Orisa, Olodumare is not an energy but rather a consciousness. A consciousness big enough to encompass the entire of creation. Everything we know is part of Olodumare, as is everything we are yet to discover.

The books of the abrahamic religion is not the only tools to use when seeking for the truth.and likewise science is not enough tools. But both of them can be use as a parameter to validate the truth.. In other words, The ultimate truth you are seeking for is within you and Not what the books think or science think it should be .but what it is . onlly you can achieve that feet..

From traditional Yoruba perspective? I see... And there are other perspectives of what God is from thousands of traditions all over the world.

Aside from all this traditional and religious perspectives can God be explained through what is around us?

rekinomtla:
Study the philosophical arguments given for God's existence.

Please I will be grateful if you can post the philosophical arguments here. Thanks

MightySparrow:
Yes. But God once used this method but did not work out well. So, he decided to use another method of revelation. read Roman 1: 19 ~ 21

Can you explain what God is without the holy books?
In the absence of any book or writ... what is God?

orunto27:
When Thunder stricks you a little, you will know God.

That means fear of harm is your God. Because you don't want to experience harm so fear becomes your God.

Is it possible to know God without using the holy books?
Must God be known through the religious angle alone?
The Torah, Qur'an, Bible etc. Must this books be quoted to solidify the existence of God?
Is there anything in nature or universe that can logically and rationally explain God?

fSociety:
Licensed Practical What again?

Mumu, acting like you're the only nurse in diaspora on nairaland

To work in the nursing profession, all nurses hold one or more credentials depending on their scope of practice and education. In the United States, a licensed practical nurse (LPN) (also referred to as a licensed vocational nurse, registered practical nurse) works independently or with a registered nurse (RN). The most significant differentiation between an LPN and RN is found in the requirements for entry to practice, which determines entitlement for their scope of practice. For example, Canada requires a bachelor's degree for the RN and a two-year diploma for the LPN. A registered nurse provides scientific, psychological, and technological knowledge in the care of patients and families in many health care settings. Registered nurses may earn additional credentials or degrees.

In the United States, multiple educational paths will qualify a candidate to sit for the licensure examination as a registered nurse. The Associate Degree in Nursing (ADN) is awarded to the nurse who has completed a two-year undergraduate academic degree awarded by community colleges, junior colleges, technical colleges, and bachelor's degree-granting colleges and universities upon completion of a course of study usually lasting two years. It is also referred to as Associate in Nursing (AN), Associate of Applied Science in Nursing (AAS), or Associate of Science in Nursing (ASN).[36] The Bachelor of Science in Nursing (BScN) is awarded to the nurse who has earned an American four-year academic degree in the science and principles of nursing, granted by a tertiary education university or similarly accredited school. After completing either the LPN or either RN education programs in the United States, graduates are eligible to sit for a licensing examination to become a nurse, the passing of which is required for the nursing license. The National Licensure Examination (NCLEX) test is a multiple choice exam nurses take to become licensed. It costs two-hundred dollars to take the NCLEX. It examines a nurses ability to properly care for a client. Study books and practice tests are available for purchase.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nursing

budaatum:
I kind o like you!

budaatum:
Those atheist use jujuwords. Very powerful indeed.

more like mesmerising words.

winner01:
OK sir .
I also don't care about BBNaija or who wins it, Honestly I don't spend my time watching it either .

May I ask what in the world you arc talking about? How is this related to the object of discourse?
You see what I am talking about....just do not get me involve. Thanks

winner01:
So what happens when atheists win arguments?

Okay what evidence are you looking for, make I provide am

I can catch small fun here today

Read through the thread......and leave me out of this abeg. I don't care if God exist or not. Honestly I don't.

Ronpet777:
I am not speaking with kids I suppose. U want me to come here with names of those who were suicidal or Wot? When u can simply just research.

This is how atheist wins argument and you are asking why. They go all out to support their words with supporting evidences while you can't provide or even juxtapose your proof of suicide among the two groups for easy perusal....
Even adding insult join.

Well done

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fSociety:
Help me tell am. There are even 8 months nursing schools with the final step being you taking the nclex (Nursing licensing) exams. If you pass, them, you don become nurse be that

please do not deceive people with his erroneous submission. This is a blatant lie and you know it. Who is a nurse by the way. 8 month you say? Gawd.... Only one qualification is ascribed the title of a nurse and that is RN every others including LPN, CNA are termed assistants which is 18-24 months and 6 weeks course respectively. RN is a 4 year degree as the associate degree is being phased out. RN takes NCLEX-RN while LPN takes nclex -pn exam.

CharleyCharley:
There are other ways to become a nurse and they all involve going back to school. I'm pretty sure that's what he meant by "climbing the ladder". Oga sabinus

No. There is no other way to become a Registered Nurse in the US than getting an associate degree or bachelors degree and then passing NCLEX. Any other type of 'nurse' training apart from this is for an assistant... LPN, CNA etc. It is not promotional like climbing as a cleaner to a doctor.

FrankNetter:
For you to fully understand this next aspect of my story, of my new job as a CNA, I would need to break it down, I would need to make you guys understand the healthcare system in the USA.

See, there is a reason the USA is a first world country. They didn't get here by fluke, (neither by praying and messing around and watching big brother nigeria). In Nigeria, the typical healthcare team consists of Doctors and Nurses (auxillary nurses and bachelor's degree nurses). In the USA, it's much more different, we have Doctors (different specialties), Nurses (Nursing practitioners, Bsc Nurses, associate degree nurses, Licensed practical nurses) And Certified nursing assistants (CNAs) And then we have other people called social workers, physical therapists etc etc. Everybody works as a team, with emphasis on delivering the best care possible to the patient.


The "lowliest" job is the CNA job, as a CNA, you're the person closest to the patient. Both physically and observationally. You are responsible for also making observations to recent changes in the patient (how much did they eat, how much did they _shit, did they urinate enough today?)
I'm sure you must have heard of the people that pack _shit in the USA. Na the job be this. The beauty of the healthcare system here is the ability to climb the "ladder" easily. From being a lowly CNA, you can move up to being a registered nurse in no time.

CNA is not a promotion type of job anyway. Until you get your BSN or nursing degree which is a four year degree program that's when you will be licensed as a Registered Nurse.

Good luck on your Yankee quest.

Ronpet777:
It is obvious that ur hrt is completely shut to any remotest avenue to find this true living God. Hv u wondered why most atheists tend to be suicidal later in life?There r exceptions to this but d void created by not believing in any God is mostly filled by depression. Make d research and point me out.

Where are the stats to support this claims? You pointed it out so do well to bring in some data.

Ronpet777:
Hahahahahahahaha! Then it shows how shallow my belief in God must be to be swayed by sophisticated and seductive analysis. I must say I find them to be very brainy.

I will be watching from the sideline. Confessing that they are brainy is an important factor for you to leave them alone before you get all swooped in by their ' seductive analysis'

Op, for your sake and the sake of your beliefs leave atheists alone. Their logic and intellectual acumen and ability to argue brilliantly will make you question your belief in God.

PastorAji:
she's not on any and she doesn't subscribe to any

Why not use condom instead and save yourself the misery. No law says she must be on something. You are the one that desperately want to nut inside so do something before you give yourself s massive heart attack.

She is scaring you from ejaculating inside so she won't get pregnant. Are you on any family planning ? That's the only way she may allow any inward expulsion .

Ideas on non governmental organizations salary will be highly welcomed.

Please build my motivation.

MuttleyLaff:
Jesus didn't form Christianity,
and Paul didn't form Christianity rather Constantine did

Now someone is talking
. Well what is the fuse all about then.?

Staph what? Or just that ? Never heard of staph except in motor parks and radio stations.