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felixomor:

the totality of space-time oo

felixomor:
Ok, for equality sake
Let me answer ur question. I meant time.
Now define universe for me.

space-time..

felixomor:
Please define "universe"

and here you just told someone about having decorum...ille est answering questions with statements..

But you're answering my questions with a question..

Ok oo

Wilgrea7:
it's very logical for a creator to exist outside of time... God is not subject to the laws of physics.. he exists in different dimensions.. time as we know it had a beginning... he was there before that beginning... and if i may ask .... what do you call “time" ?




i don't understand what you mean by “a god"... there is only one which exists out of time.. because he is the creator of everything and anything.. everything created is subject to laws.. God is the only uncreated being therefore he is not subject to laws.. cuz he created those laws.. the creator is not subject to the creation



cuz only an all supreme being can create all that we see in the universe today... randomness cannot form orderliness. nothing cannot form something... especially not in an orderly manner.. and yes... God does watch over his creation.. he is the very essence that gives life to every single thing in all the galaxies and even on earth.. he is that consciousness that radiates life to everything we know... so yes .. he watches everything.. if he didnt, that means he isn't radiating life and that would all mean that everything in the universe will cease to exist.. maybe you're trying to picture him as someone up in the sky watching everyone with a telescope or something.. no.. he is everywhere cuz his life force is all around us and all within us

my answers from a deistic view

1..randomness does create orderliness...
Too many times..

2)..your take on God watching everything,radiating life to everything...doesnt seem deistic...


3)time is just a frame of events...
If a creator lives outside of time do you mean no ''events'' occur ?

felixomor:
Anybody that exists outside time, needs no creator to exist.
Unless you dont understand that.

Nowadays, everyone wants to become scientist by force becos of apetheism.

Mscheww

what do you mean?

Exist outside of time?

Or did you mean space-time?

Because time is just a measure of events

damogul:
Did you read her interview? Or are you also blind

i dont care about her interview!
I only care about your wrong definition of agnostic deists!

damogul:
I suppose you do not know who an agnostic deist is and that the only difference between an atheist and an agnostic deist is on the issue of creation. You really are not so bright are you?]

baba this is a lie o...
Agnostic deists can be evolutionists as well as believe in creation..
Agnostic deists believe in a deistic god...whose nature is unknown..

felixomor:
Thanks

Stop equating sexual cohabitation with marriage.
They are not the same.

like i said...
''Animal laws are not up to ours''....

The society there accepts it...

The parents may not ''formally'' give ''consent''
but they do not/are not against such relations either....i.e can be aware and not bat an eye...




The penguins dont have to meet another penguin on a pulpit who says ''you may kiss your bride'' before you term it ''accepted''

Birds bathe in waters..sometimes in half clean waters...we still say those species of birds are interested about thier cleanliness..although in the human setting..it is silly...

Get?

felixomor:
E fit not be panadol, e no fit be panadol. I guess u have heard it before.
Case closed.

your initial question revolved around the idea of what i've explained to you..
''Who taught man how to marry''
notwithstanding bro... Believe what you want

dalaman:
Her name is Joan Walsh. She is a popular on air personality in the USA.

felixomor:
So get a girl, reproduce and put her in your house. Then come back and tell me you are married.

this is the part i was talking about bro.. Parents consent and all that...

Animal laws are not up to our standards are they?

dalaman:
Damogul please go and sleep I beg you. Don't yu see that this was under satire? Didn't you see the satire as the heading on the link. What is wrong with you my brother? From.fiction to satire. Please go and sleep it's past your bed time.

you sire...
Are a very funny man!

felixomor:
Animals dont marry. They may have mating partners and some try stay faithful.

whats the essense of marriage if not the underlined?
What other basics are involved/needed? Living together... Make children? Take care of the children made together?

What else?
Penguins do all these..

Please dont because of argument, bend it to "marriage".

it is.. And it is a fact in many other animals too

felixomor:
Quiet.
The fact u put the "marry" in quote is enough for me.

must you always sound insultive?

Did you try to research it to see if im wrong??


I put it in quote because it cannot be 100% similar to human marriage...eg paying of bride price,,consent of parents and other human inputs...
Thats all..

The basics are the same for both penguins and humans..

dalaman:
First man on earth? Scientifically speaking there is nothing like that. Human anthropology has shown us that humans started worshipping natural agents of nature like the sun, the moon, mountains, rivers etc before they started worshipping spirits and later to invisible beings.

If there is anything like the first man then he invented what ever concept of God he worshipped and others after him kept inventing their own various God/Gods concept.

Sex is natural it exist in nature. If you place 20 years old a man that has never seen a woman in his life beside a Nked woman he'll get an erection. If the woman touches him he will respond. He will not have to be tought to have an erection. It will be automatic.

If all the people in the world are to be presented with the bible on their 20th birthday and told that it is the word of God for example many will just laugh and very few will accept it.

i have this feeling the worship of yahweh started with the observance of volcanic mountains...

Maybe mount sinai was volcanic or so

felixomor:
U are the one who weds them?

seriously i hope you dont intend to be funny by asking me of penguin church wedding services and receptions
??

Penguins ''marry'' and stay faithful..

felixomor:
You are the one who failed. If u say God must be indoctrinated into man, Who then indoctrinated the first man on earth? Who taught man to marry woman? Provide proof for your claim of indoctrination.
U failed again.

even animals ''marry'' without being taught anything...
E.g penguins!

KingEbukasBlog:
Having a personal relationship with God (interaction) does not necessarily mean he intervenes . Please read about deism and stop making ignorant claims .

do you know what a relationship is?

Is a relationship one sided?

Not everything is about ''read''

KingEbukasBlog:
Deists can't be nihilists because they can have a personal relationship with God - since they believe that God can interact with men but not necessarily mean he would intervene . They don't believe that life is meaningless and purposeless . Some deists believe that God punishes man even in this life and in the afterlife - yes , some deists believe in the afterlife

oboi stop this mental gymnastics

na simple question i ask!

1) If a deist has a personal relationship...
Its no more deism baba!


2)clearly you ignored where i said materialist deists...
If you like...dodge the question...

Are materialist deists nihilists?

Consciousness has been proven through experience to exist outside the material/physical body

story!
On the contrary...
Consciousness has never been proven to be immune to the authority of the brain!

You committed a fallacy called the shortgun argumentation by inundating me with so many (irrelevant) questions - these questions don't even address the points I raised

maybe you forgot the part where you initially strayed off point by asking me why i used a specific bible translation and other irrelevant stuffs

You still haven't shown me the connection between Nihilism and Christianity

Mr Misinterpreter...

My initial input was when you said.... A person who believes in God cannot harbor nihilistic thoughts!

Which i have successfully disproved!

damogul:
If its an early form of nihilism according to him and is not applicable to modern times why then did you push it forward?

being an early form of nihilism does not null it from being nihilistic in nature..

Early forms of football differ from modern times...it doesnt stop it from being football..

Early forms of atheism differ from modern atheism...it's still atheistic..

Even early christianity is different from modern christianity..but yet it is still christianity!

Levelling is some form of nihilism..and he advocated for it...
Thats the issue

KingEbukasBlog:
Wikipedia is the only source of information ? Right ? I've told you what Nihilism is and its roots and there is no harmony between Christianity and Nihilism

oya show me a reputable site where nihilism is defined as ''no God''...
Or stop the rambles

The bible says that all murderers will go to Hell.

the bible says a whole lot of other rubbishes too...

It also says that if you sin and ask for forgiveness from god...he will forgive your sins..
If the bible expected christians to be 100% sinless as the definition of christians...such forgiveness statements would not suffice..

You cant be a Christian and claim to be a suicide bomber .

how?
What do you mean?
What do you u mean by claim? Can you suicide bomb more than once?

What does these scriptures mean?

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:8


If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 1 John 1:10

what nonsense are you then saying?

Christian atheism accepts the teachings of Christ but reject his divinity as God . The same thing with Christian deism.

stop this mental gymnastics bro...
Its unhealthy!
From your definition...jehovah witnesses fit under it..so you see..it is shallow..
A better would be;
Christian atheists accept his teachings about life but reject his teachings about having knowledge of an author/being the author of the universe.....

My point is,
if christianity and atheism are compactible...then christianity and nihilism are compactible..

They all don't represent the truth in Christianity

yes,,only your small church represents the truth in christianity...
Though that was not the idea/what i was saying

Why did you make use of a different translation ?

how?
Does my usage of the GNT affect the meaning of the statement?
Is the GNT void?

I used GNT because im used to it...i didnt even check other versions...

90% of bible verses ive posted here on this forum are all in GNT version...

Other versions may have vanity
vanity still means useless..
Whats your point?

That bible verse explains why life is meaningless without God...

ebuka! You can lie for africa..

No where did he make mention of such in that chapter!

Lieing is okay..as long as am lieing for jesus abi?

You have not shown me the connection between Nihilism and Christianity this guy ![/b] Stop the circumlocution and show me the compatibility .

it is you who is blind to reason...

You quickly said atheism is compactible with nihilism...although atheism has no doctrines..it just a disbelief in God...

I also asked you if ''no meaning in life'' automatically translates to ''disbelief in God'' and reverse...which you're stumbling at..

Also i asked you if deists are nihilists..since God has no atom of interference or anything to do with the universe but you've failed to respond!


you said...a person who believes in God cannot harbor such thoughts...

And i've clearly shown you..not oone but two christians who did.

Na you sabi sha!.

damogul:
A nihilist is a man who judges of the world as it is that it ought not to be, and of the world as it ought to be that it does not exist. According to this view, our existence (action, suffering, willing, feeling) has no meaning: the pathos of 'in vain' is the nihilists' pathos — at the same time, as pathos, an inconsistency on the part of the nihilists.

— Friedrich Nietzsche, KSA 12:9 [60], taken from The Will to Power, section 585, translated by Walter Kaufmann

[b]Stanley Rosen identifies Nietzsche's concept of nihilism with a situation of meaninglessness, in which "everything is permitted." According to him, the loss of higher metaphysical values that exist in contrast to the base reality of the world, or merely human ideas, gives rise to the idea that all human ideas are therefore valueless. Rejecting idealism thus results in nihilism, because only similarly transcendent ideals live up to the previous standards that the nihilist still implicitly holds.[34] The inability for Christianity to serve as a source of valuating the world is reflected in Nietzsche's famous aphorism of the madman in The Gay Science.[35] The death of God, in particular the statement that "we killed him", is similar to the self-dissolution of Christian doctrine: due to the advances of the sciences, which for Nietzsche show that man is the product of evolution, that Earth has no special place among the stars and that history is not progressive, the Christian notion of God can no longer serve as a basis for a morality.[/b]

in deism...God has nothing do to with humanity...
For materialist deists...he doesnt judge...there is no after life...

They are not nihilists right?

the death of God was on christianity...

Its just a book's label..

Just like dawkins ''the God delusion'' which focused on religious Gods but never a Deistic God...
And many others like that!

KingEbukasBlog:
Nihilism avers that God does not exist or He is dead . Nihilism says that life has no meaning or purpose since there is no creator . The word nihilism comes from the Latin word nihil, which means "nothing" and it shares the same root with "annihilate" , which is "to destroy completely"

correct me if im wrong..
But in that wikipedia page...
In all the types of nihilism listed...
None stated God..

Anger , hatred can can induce the urge to destroy and the bible exhorts us to love and be peaceful . The devil in the bible has been associated with destruction .

All these things in Nihilism are incongruous with the teachings of Christ . So how can you subscribe to Nihilism as a Christian ? Show me how intelligent you are and prove to me why 'Christian Nihilism' makes any modicum of sense to any one cognizant of both teachings .

the existence of christian suicide bombers...
You can connect it right?

Also..the existence of ''christian atheism''

also..i dont think ''christ'' defines christianity alone..

The bible is an authority in christianity too

Ecclesiastes 1 Good News Translation (GNT)

2It is useless, useless, said the Philosopher .Life is useless, all useless.

damogul:
You did not finish the article. Let me help you. Cherrypicking is a bad thing.

[b]Note however that Kierkegaard's meaning of "nihilism" differs from the modern definition in the sense that, for Kierkegaard, levelling led to a life lacking meaning, purpose or value,[20] whereas the modern interpretation of nihilism posits that there was never any meaning, purpose or value to begin with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

Sire,,I did not cherrypick...

I bolded where the article said that he held the belief of an early form of nihilism..

And on the levelling,,he posited and advocated for it

KingEbukasBlog:
In reality , since you deny the existence of God and believe that life has no general purpose or meaning that you are professing ideas in existential nihilism .

As far as you are without God and trying to invent meaning to your life in a universe you consider purposeless and meaningless then you are an existential nihilist , basically .

i dont think the belief in God entails purpose of life..

Not all Gods demand worship..
or have anything to do with us
E.g The deistic God(s)

so what do you say then?

KingEbukasBlog:
In Christian atheism , an atheist can himself a Christian . So there you go .

Christian nihilism is like an oxymoron . There is no such thing as that .

Christ :Come unto me all ye that labour and are heavy laden and I will give you rest

Nihilism : Leads to depression , suicide , impulse to destroy and commit so many sinful acts .

Where is the compatibility ?

dont ask me..
Ask them

and dont gimme an atheist can call himself a christian...
Or else
Grizzlybear is a muslim then


David has books against atheism...he has books affirming his belief in a creator,,

m guessing he doesnt believe god gives meaning to life..

at least you've seen someone can believe in God and harbor such thoughts!

jonbellion:
lol Ebuka is obviously a diest He's just laying low so as not to disappoint his christian pals Ebuka you can join the cool kids

he maybe a christian...na him know...
I prefer to go by what one classifies themselves to be!

KingEbukasBlog:
Read Grizzlybear's threads and see how

https://www.nairaland.com/3498459/think-human-race-needs-stop
https://www.nairaland.com/3479134/meaninglessness-human-existence-immortality-religion

And tell me if anyone who acknowledges the existence of God will have such thoughts

yes..in a way!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bentley_Hart
He's a known christian author
in his webpage he released his views:
some form of ''christian nihilism''

our religion is one of very
comfortable nihilism.

https://www.firstthings.com/article/2003/10/christ-and-nothing

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

from wiki's page on nihilism,

[quote]Søren Kierkegaard (1813–1855) posited an early form of nihilism to which he referred as leveling.[17] He saw levelling as the process of suppressing individuality to a point where the
individual's uniqueness becomes non-existent
and nothing meaningful in his existence can be
affirmed:

Hes a christian
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Søren_Kierkegaard

dalaman:
. You are happyily announcing that you have no position and can dance to any tone. Well done.

he's confused!

You know he speaks with both sides of his mouth like c.85% of all the time but i never considered it a double standard stuff...

I knew he is confused!

KingEbukasBlog:
Look at my posts and what I discuss and compare them with yours . Does it look like we are on the same level

we cant be on the same level...

You're still evolving at an atomic rate!

I'm miles ahead bro and can switch to so many philosophical propositions , religious perspectives to support my view . While all you do is poison the well .

switch?
Philosophical propositions?
Religious perspectives?

And you're a stanuch christian?

Indeed your are confused!

KingEbukasBlog:
abeg shut up jare .

liar

i believe i have jolted your memory...

Anything you like you can spew!

KingEbukasBlog:
which article , where ?

which article do you guys bring up in your nonsense rambles of ''percentage composition''?