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haddeylium:
You're yet to make a grasp of Gen 2:7. Now, it's Revelation.

Lake of fire there is symbolic meaning Eternal destruction

Notice in the preceding verse
Death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.” (Revelation 20:14, KJv)

Death is not something concrete, but it's said to be cast into the lake of fire- Meaning, Death will be no more.
Hell (Grave) is also cast into it- Grace will be no more.
Which means , they die, the cease to exist.
So, it will be for humans who endup there, they will cease to exist.
with no resurrection hope

Thanks

First, you say all bad humans just die and cease to exist.

Yet, here you are arguing about a resurrection of the bad people for an eternal destruction.

Moreover, verses like Revelation 14:9-11
Says they shall be tormented, day and night for ever and ever before the angels and the Lamb of God."

How could you wish it away from the Bible?

haddeylium:
what can't be found?


You still need more Bible knowledge.
what you don't know is that , the removal of 'Begotten' is actually a subtle support for Trinity doctrine.




So, why did you consider KJV to be original?

No, it doesn't support. The opposite.

I used to use English Revised Standard before.

I started discovering how fake and treacherous these translations are when compared them using Biblehub.com
When you Google a scripture verse, it brings biblehub which shows different translations at once. I discovered a lot of inconsistencies and that unbelievers were winning debates when they used other translations other than KJV.

haddeylium:
Same place with Human.

Simply, they return to dust and their thoughts perish that day.(Eccl 9:5)

But for faithful humans, death is not the end, God's word promise them a resurrection .
God will awaken the Dead soul by giving them 'Breathe of life' to become a Living Soul

Lol. This is just funny all round.

Ok. So we should just throw away Revelation 20:15, Revelation 21:8, Revelation 14:9-11, I Cor 6:9 and many other scriptures like they didn't exist? Boy, maybe you should just go and write your own Bible translation like those before you have done. or DappaD what do you think? Lol Funny Hebrew-mongering peeps

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

DappaD:
Ecclesiastes 3:20-21 is there for you.

So based on that scripture, what is your answer? Where do animals go after they die?

haddeylium:
There are other Bible translation before KJV was made and also after it.
They copied from the original manuscripts.

This verse in KJV can't be found in the manuscript it was copied from.
I know you accepted it anyway, cos' that's what you might have grew up it.

what makes you consider KJV to be original?

Can't be found at that time? This can only be equal to a lie.

Why did other versions remove "Begotten".

All these were a deliberate attack on the proof of Trinity.
Today, people can use those versions to argue there were sons of God in the Book of Job. Arguing that Jesus is not the only Son of God

haddeylium DappaD
I would like to ask you. Since you argue animals have a soul, where do all animals go after they die?

haddeylium:
Which Bible translation today did God's word reveal to you to be original?
You've showed how it was the original manuscripts it was copied from?
You really want to discuss 1 John 5:19.
You're not made for it.
You making inferences based on the much you know.

Thanks for your time and meditate on those

1 John 5:7 "There are three that bear witness in Heaven. The Father Son and Holy ghost. These three are one."
Removed from other translations who definitely had ulterior motives against the truth.
They've today become useful tools in the hands of false teachers

DappaD:
Lol. Says the person who disagrees with the meaning of the original Hebrew/Greek words “nephesh/psykhe” which translates “soul” in modern English.


Which translation have I used a basis here?


MrPRevailer, that's why I said you need to do research on your own. That's the only way you'll learn. Go and search for “Johannine Comma” on Google and you'll amazed by what you find.



You actually don't know how funny you sound right now. Yeah the curse definitely has to be on those KJV translators
They're the cause of your confusion but you don't realise it yet.

Ok. So I uphold KJV as the original. This is what majorly sets us apart in this discussion.

I don't know greek or Hebrews. But I know the most spiritual Hebrew translators have done a good job writing the KJV. I don't need endtime Hebrew teachers yo impose their pervasive/subversive doctrines taking advantage of me/others because
I don't know Hebrew language.

haddeylium:
Give the question a try

The eternal breath of life is the raw material of the Soul.
The dust of the earth is the raw material of the Flesh/body

DappaD:
MrPRevailer I won't say I blame you though. You just need to do more research on your own
That's the way you'll learn.
The way the Bible defines several things is different from those defined by popular opinion.

Simply put, you have been deceived by modern translations which aim to change the original translation to kill the scriptural power and uniqueness.
In that same translation, i'm sure it also removed the word "Begotten" in John 3:16
It also removes the trinity of God from 1 John 5:7
The father,Son and Holy ghost. These three are one.

The Bible warned us of those in the last days who will deceive many by coming in the name of Christ. These news translators have removed and added to the Bible. The curse of Revelation 22:18-19 is upon them.

DappaD:
Did God breathe the soul or the breath of life into Adam?

Slap yourself hard please.

haddeylium:
I'll only focus on the discuss

Another thing that will help you is comparing different translation together.

New American Standard Bible
The second angel poured out his bowl into the sea, and it became blood like that of a dead man; and every living thing in the sea died.

New King James Version
Then the second angel poured out his bowl on the sea, and it became blood as of a dead man; and every living creature in the sea died.

King James Bible
And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

Did you see they part?
EVERY living things/ Every living creatures/Everything living Soul.

Thank you

Revelation 20:

20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged EVERY MAN according to their works.

Every man. It does not say 'every man and animal, or every creature. Didn't much animals die in the sea too?
This is the death the Bible refers to in Ezekiel 18:4 for sin and transgression. So we can see only man has soul.
Also see revelation 21:8

DappaD:
Please quote Genesis 2:7 from your own Bible.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

DappaD:
I'm actually struggling to understand what MrPRevailer is saying up there. The Genesis 2:7 he has since been quoting disagrees completely with his “Man has a soul” dogma.

There is no disagreement but a lack of simple understanding on your part.

The formed body/flesh is the carcase. The breath (eternal) that God breathed is the spirit of man, the soul.

haddeylium:
Most times, many Bible translators express based on their personal conviction.
But, honesthearted people confirm with the Original to make sure.
Check the attached file
The Word Ne'phesh means Soul.
it was translated to Creature in KJV, others use Life, some Soul.
To Show Naphesh= Life, Creature, Animal, Man
If Animals have life, they're a living Soul


Seems you're familiar with KJV, I do use it too

Consider this too in your KJV
Revelation 16:3
And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
Animals are Souls .
Some translator use creature too in that verse.
Human and Animal are Souls.


@bolden- Show ls that Soul is not mortal, it's that person himself.
@italicised- Humans and Animals are Soul,so the same thing will happens to them in death. Nothing survive them


Yeah .
Faithful humans are assured of resurrection hope!

Thanks for your time

Your analogy is wrong.

It's like you saying that all mammals are dogs because all dogs are mammals.
All creatures are not souls. All souls are creatures.

"Soul" is not synonymous to "Creature"

Revelation16:3 is not proof that soul referred to animals. Again you are using same analogy.
The fact that both animals and humans died does not mean Soul is referring to both.

The Soul cannot lose consciousness. Eternal Separation from God is called death as in second death) Romans 6:23.
And it's nothing but sin/transgression that result to that type of death. It is sin, not the mere mortal wound of creature. So are you saying animals, insects will go to hellfire?

Revelation 20: shows us that all living and dead souls were judged.
20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead[b] which were in them: and they were judged [b]every man according to their works.

Every man. It does not say 'every man and animal, or every creature. Didn't much animals die in the sea too?
This is the death the Bible refers to in Ezekiel 18:4 for sin and transgression. So we can see only man has soul.
Also see revelation 21:8

Janosky:
John 20:17, John 17:3 did Jesus Christ reject your claim?

No.

It is written John 8:42, John 16:27-28

Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,1:11 Saying , I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:

Revelation 19:13 "And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God."
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Janosky:
All things were made THROUGH Jesus.
Emphasis on the word: "THROUGH"/ by means of".

Yahweh created Jesus,

Romans 11:35-36. Hebrews 1:2 confirmed.

Colossians 1:16 "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

Janosky:
The finger/hand of God must touch everywhere during Creation. Psalm 8:3. Isaiah 48:13.
Luke 11:20 and Matthew 12:28...

Jesus is God

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Genesis 1:2 "And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the deep.
3: And God said "Let there be light"

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God and the Word was God. All things were made by him"

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gaetano:
I no fit invite lord chosen person for my wedding, e sure me say dem go wear cape come

God is not a man.
It has not occured to unbelievers and worldly believers that the ways of God is foolishness to man's wisdom.
Yet God is WISDOM.

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hinere:
Why didn't the children wear their Apron on top their suit and gown. Afterall, they said it's bullet proof

To be honest ehn...this Pastor get sense. The only Pastor wey use members as Marketers come give them Yellow Crested Vest Apron make dem dey wear up and down.

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What can wearing apron do for you?

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Coolbadguy:
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Come to the Lord's Chosen and prepare your soul for rapture. We are not trying to prove we are holier. The ministry is manifest to preach the undiluted Word of God so that people will be qualified for heaven.

"Without holiness, no man will see the Lord". Hebrews 12:14

Samakus:
I hate this thing Chosen members wear on top of their clothes. Makes them look somehow

I'll share with you a striking testimony someone gave recently about Chosen apron

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Glory be to God.

After the Rapture of the prepared Saints, Lord Jesus Christ the bridegroom will wed the Church (holy bride). Revelation 21:9


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haddeylium:
You might be wrong
The Hebrew word 'Nephesh' in the Bible translated to Soul in English refers to Person and Animals


Darby Bible Translation
Gen 1:20- And God said, Let the waters swarm with swarms of living souls, and let fowl fly above the earth in the expanse of the heavens.(compare with Rev 16:3)



Do you notice that Bolden
It didn't say Man was given a Soul but he became a living Soul after the breathe of life was breathe into his nostril.
So, after the 'breathe of life' goes out. He'll become a deal soul/Person.
So with Animals(Eccl 3:19)


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Firstly, every Bible student should know that 90% of translations are subversive of the original. Personally, I maintain that KJV is the most authentic/original version as many Bible scholars concur. Moreover, the bible KJV uses the word "Creatures" in that verse.

False teachers always use "Hebrew" translation in attempt to subvert the scripture or drive their own doctrinal teachings. I never buy that.

Ofcourse, the common thing among all creatures on the earth is that they die.
Using Ecc 3:19 to prove animals have soul is incoherent.

There are living (heavenly) souls and dead souls(the damned).
Ezekiel 18:4 "Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die." Only humans have souls.

Moreover, the death of a soul/"Second death" (Revelation 20:14) is different from death of the body (physical death)

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

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Animals DON'T have a soul, they cease to exist after death.

God Spoke
Genesis 1:20 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven."

God breathes into man
Genesis 1:26"Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness.

Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."


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holyDaniel:
My brother, the way you go to your pastor who is still flesh and blood for prayers is thesame way we go to Saint like Mary who have overcome the world and became victorious over death, who we believe is in Union with Jesus(John 14:20) for prayers.

Mary is not praying for you. Her works are over. She is resting.

Hebrews 4:10
"For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his. he that."

The Bible said we have ONE ONE ONE (1) advocate and intecessor; Jesus Christ. Why don't you just pray only to Jesus Christ and escape unnecessary danger/mistake that can cost you your soul, for eternity

Colossians 2:18
"Let no man beguile you of your reward in a @voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind"

holyDaniel:
So Mary backslided?� you guys are always sounding funny when it comes to the person of Mary. Please don't hate her because of the believe of Catholic less you become guilty. The womb that bears our salvation and the woman that raised our salvation till he started his work need honour, respect in fact we need to celebrate her as a woman who never joke with our salvation. Brother or sister that woman is great all women need to emulate her to raise a child for a better society.

Mary backslided! Are you trying to sabotage my comment?
Mary is a Saint, a vessel of God. Just as every apostles and believers are.

Apostle Peter, Paul did alot of miracles. They won alot of souls to Christ.

You are overstating boundaries by praying to Mary. All catholics who die in this idolatrous religion will be rebuked and denied by her.

The Pharisees highly respected and idolized Moses. Jesus told them

John 5:45: Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

debaj10:
soo…
ur saying what?
d angel was in error?
him go wrong message?!

The Angel of God was saluting Mary because she was filled of the spirit of God as a result of carrying Jesus, hence the salutation.
The apostles and believers were also filled with the spirit of God.

She is no more carrying Jesus. She is a servant used by the Master, Jesus.

debaj10:
"Hail Mary, full of Grace!"


And proclaim as instructed-
"All nations shall call me blessed!"


TGI Sunday.

That the angel Gabriel saluted Mary when she was pregnant doesn't indicate Christian believers should be worshipping, praying to or glorifying Mary. This is idolatry = condemnation

Hail Jesus, full of Grace. King of Kings and Lord of Lords..