ahmedio2017:



First son

The Son of a bitch.
The Son of a woman you had a one night stand with.
The son of a prostitute.
Your son from another man's wife

You give him majority of your wealth, leaving the children of your wedlock with smaller possessions.

Wow. Just WOW.

Are you thinking?

That means you don't love your wife. And you'll leave your wealth to a strange woman and her children.

adams123:
Apostle Paul that wrote half of new testament never met Jesus Christ in his life time.. How can he give account of what Jesus did and say?

In Islam, Qur'an that we are using as a book of guidance was given to Only Prophet Muhammad by GOD through Angel Gabriel.
In this generation of ours, no one among us can't enter heaven except you are a Muslim.

Paul saw Jesus when he went on his way to arrest Christians at Damascus.
And when he saw Jesus, he became physically blind because of the heavenly glory. Jesus talked with him and told him what to do.
Right there he started answering Jesus "Yes LORD"

The armies he was going with heard the voice but they couldn't see anybody. Only Paul saw Jesus.
His blindness was healed by a Christian that Jesus appeared to and sent to Paul.

Mohammed claimed Angel Gabriel gave him the Quran. Where are the witnesses?
There is none.
In the sight of two witnesses is a testament established.

Mohammed sold lies to his people and his people believed it because already they naturally hated Israel. So just tell them what they are itching to hear and he automatically became a rich leader.

ahmedio2017:



I will share it for them because they all remain my sons

Which sons will take the chief of your possessions?

ahmedio2017:


He said "bring your only Son". Referring to the child that God promised him.
Ishmael was not promised but came as a result of carelessness. Sex outside of marriage.


Lolzzzzzzzz see hypocrisy ooooooooo so Ismael is not son of Abraham chai ... Ok who is the father of ismheal?

Why don't you understand simple explanation.

The bible calls Ishmael the son of Abraham. But he is not the covenant son.

Ok, let me put it in this example.

If you are married. And then go outside your marriage and beget children through Adultery.
And you later have children by your wife.
Those children you got by adultery came before the children of your marriage.

When your about to die will you will all your possessions to the children gotten by Adultery or to the children gotten by legal marriage?

ahmedio2017:


Are you saying there is no any verse in the bible that talks about first son?

Ha, my friend.

Isn't it you that said God said bring your first son?
So I said show it to me and you are asking me to show it to you lol

O.k since you didn't know, there is no verse that God said to Abraham, bring your first Son.

God said "bring your only Son". Referring to the child that God promised him.
Ishmael was not promised but came as a result of carelessness/impatience with God. Sex outside of marriage.

ahmedio2017:



Bible said Abraham first son
Now the question is who was Abraham first son?

Please can you stop meddling?

I just showed you a full page of texts, God telling Abraham severally that he will establish his covenant with his Son Isaac, who was not yet born (and I can show you many more) And then worried Abraham asking God about Ishmael's future.

Please show me where bible said take your FIRST son.
As you can see, I did my talking with scripture verses not mere claims. So bring yours.

Ok

ahmedio2017:




According to the Bible, the sacrificed is said to be Abraham's only son (or his firstborn in some versions), which cannot fit Isaac ; according to the Qur'ân, the good news of Isaac said that he would have a progeny and consequently God cannot order Abraham to sacrifice Isaac before the promise is fulfilled. Again, according to the Qur'ân, the sacrificed cannot be Isaac.


You like twisting things, God ordered Abraham to sacrifice his FIRST SON now the question who was his first son?

The Quran never mentioned it's Ishmael that was sacrificed.

When God said "thy only son" he was referring to his unique son, the son that God promised him.

Also, you saying the bible said is just RIDICULOUS. Read this:

Genesis 17:
15And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be.

16And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.

17Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?

18And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!

19And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an EVERLASTING COVENANT, and with his seed after him.

20And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

21But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

22And he left off talking with him, and God went up from Abraham."

linearity:


Your responses are typical and void of any intelligence!

Lightning strikes the Statue of Liberty on average about 600 times each year. The status was uniquely designed to divert lightning strikes away from buildings and protect things around them. It is doing its work according to the human Architects that designed it.

There is a major fault under New Jersey and about three minor faults under Manhattan, plus Manhattan is an Island surrounded on all sides by water. When there is an earthquake, the tremor travels along underground fault lines, so what happened was typical and expected.

Mathew 24:
Jesus said, "..Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name....for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet..."

So if you are a true Bible student, you will understand that wars, earthquakes, afflictions, etc are not the signs of the end of time....because these things have been happening from the beginning of time.

In Mat 24:14:......The Preaching of the Gospel in all the world is the one prerequisite for the end to come.

According to the Joshua Project, about 42% of the world has not been reached with the Gospel.
https://www.globalfrontiermissions.org/missions-101/the-unreached-peoples-and-their-role-in-the-great-commission

So, if it takes about 2,000 years to get here, it simply means none of us would be alive to to see the coming of the Lord, more so Gospel propagation has slowed down considerably because of lukewarmness.

In my opinion, the critically major sign of rapture isn't really "the gospel preached to all nations". That is already happening at a fast pace than ever before in any century due to digital media, social media, transportation ease, technology, divine revelations/encounter.

Also, I don't think the bible says everyone must hear it. It could mean in every nations there will be many witnesses that gospel was preached.

Now to the major sign.
The major sign is the emergence of a one world government, financial system and religion. Revelation 13
It's being fulfilled. The WEF, U.N have called for it severally. "AGENDA 2030"
And WEF chief says by year 2027, the world populations will be microchipped.

No more use of credit cards/paper money.
Digital money is the current hype now among government offcials because they can now control money and people than ever possible before. So those in power are looking forward towards it's global implementation. And Paper money will be phased out when US. dollar collapses.

They are preparing a major cyber pandemic that will ensure collapse of the current global financial system and majority of infrastructures to compel people to transition into the new financial system.

Inotherwords, the Rapture is near.
And there is a falling away prophecy coming to pass as Paul prophesied in 2 thessalonians 2

Michael547:

So was it God that caused the earthquake?
Simple question you cannot answer.

Whether God, man, or devil

Fear Almighty God.

If you want peace in your next life.

@Muslims

Is Israel really illegal state?

Where were they expelled from before year 1948?
Which Jerusalem did David, Suleman and other respected prophets of Allah rule Israel?
Or was Jerusalem in Africa by then?

ahmedio2017:



You are the one that is a fool here,
According to you, you said ismheal is not from God, in order word he's from devil is that what you are trying to insinuate?

It is you that needs to be wise honestly, that Satan you were referring was one of the angels of God. But purposely God turned him to a Satan for a reason best know to God...

See, God is beyond you and your entire pastors he knows tomorrow and hundred of thousands of years to come. So all what that happens between Abraham, Isaac and Ismael God knew everything and that's how he want it to be....

You know why I don't want to argue with you??
Because according to you guys god can make a lot of mistakes and you guys even said your god REGRETTED. Those statement is full of rubbish, God is the best planner he knows everything and he can never make a mistakes. You saying that god make a mistake by giving Abraham ismheal is a rubbish statement. And it was ismheal that God ordered Abraham to sacrifice and not Isaac... You have a lot to learn and to unlearn....

Did I not also mention idolaterers pagans and sinners? They will go to heaven because "they're from God"?

I never said God made a mistake. You changed my words.

I said Ishmael was a generational mistake committed by Sarah. She forced Abraham to sleep with their concubine.

Where in the Quran did God order Abraham to sacrifice Ishmael? Please give the quotation.

Michael547:

So your God has been the one using earthquake to kill people indiscriminately?

Fear Almighty God.

The rest of your eternal fate will be determined by him.

Iamzik:


Who sold this lie to you?

No natural human being is born with homisexualty trait. You are either XY or XX. How do you guys get convinced easily to turn basic biology upside down??

100%.
In the worst case, it's children that were conditioned from early childhood.
Perhaps they saw or heard things that made them to begin to unconsciously have homo feelings. Or they were touched improperly.

From 2 years I think children can begin picking those things thereby molding their instinct.

ahmedio2017:



Lolz who is Hagar ?
And that your Hagar if from who?

Point of correction I'm from God, I'm one of God creatures, perhaps you are from Israel... who created Israel? U go explain tire.

Hagar is an ordinary woman in the Torah.

Satan the creature is also from God but he is an enemy of God and the father of evil. Likewise all sinners and unbelievers (are creatures of God) will end up in hell.

Abraham ----> Isaac ------> Jacob.

JACOB'S name was changed to ISRAEL.......by the angel of God.
He had 12 sons. Which till today are the 12 tribes of Israel.

You have no sane words to refute my argument.
Instead of turning to the truth, you have turned instead to deliberately act foolishly.
Be wise.

ahmedio2017:




Are you taking it personal?
You said ismheal is not from God and I asked you if he's not from God then he's from WHO?

He's from Hagar.

Who had nothing to do with God.

ahmedio2017:



So therefore ISHMAEL is not from God?
Is from who?
I love what you are smoking...
Why did God gave him Ismael in the first instance?
Anyways your god used to makes mistakes though perhaps your god made another mistake here

Where did you come from? Are you from God?
Ishmael is from Hagar, his Mother.

You don't have to insult me. You are simply ignorant because the backbone of your knowledge is Quran which have a very little detail about Abraham's life and the Israelites in general.
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According to the Torah, God gave Hagar's son the name Ishmael because of Hagar's suffering.
Sarah cast Hagar out of her matrimonial home.

And Hagar began to suffer until God showed her mercy. The angel of God said to her: "his name will be called Ishmael because his hand will be against every man and every man's hand will be against him. "

Is that a blessing or a curse?

This was the only thing the angel of God said to Hagar, his mother.

And if you look from the beginning till now, the Ishmealites have been stirring up religious wars and strife for centuries.
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Moreover, God never spoke to Ishmael.
But God appeared and spoke to Isaac several times. And reminded him of the covenant he made with his Father Abraham.
And God appeared to Jacob, Isaac's son to remind him of the covenant he made with his Father Isaac.

You are just ignorant and closed-minded. That's all.

God never said anything good about Ishmael. Neither did God bless him.

ahmedio2017:




Why are you guys like this, why can't you guys use your senses? If ISHMAEL is not from God then he's from where?

Didn't I just tell you?!

Islam is about promoting Arabs and Ishmelites but they have been enemies of God and Israelites since the beginning.
And from begining they always watch for God to forsake Israel so that they can attack Israel.

That's why Mohammed deceived his followers to believe God has forsaken Israel forever. He is not the first not 1000th heathen leader who indoctrinated like this.

Didn't God command Israel to destroy their nations on several occasions?

I will repeat it again.

God promised Abraham a Son with whom he will make a great nation. and told him to be patient. Abraham was barren for 25years.
Sarah, Abraham's wife became impatient and forced Abraham to have a son with their CONCUBINE, Hagar.

This was not God's plan.

At Abraham's age of 100 years, God appeared to Abraham and told him his wife shall conceive. Which she did.

When Isaac grownup boy, God appeared to Abraham to test him.
God said to him: "Take ISAAC, YOUR ONLY SON and offer him up to me for a burnt offering on the mountain I will show you."

Why did God call Isaac, his only Son?
Didn't God know that he had another son?

But was that a legal Son? No.
Why did God not recognize Ishmael as Abraham's son?

God should have said '"take your Son, Isaac."

But he said take your only Son, Isaac. Because Ishmael is not a product of the holy union/marriage of Abraham and Sarah his Wife.

MidasTouch15:
It's not past tense.

Please kindly explain.

ahmedio2017:



Ok Arab (ISHMAEL) is not from God?
They are from who?

This is not my focus. My focus is on the atonement law.


But to answer your question.
Ishmael is not from God. He was a result of Sarah's impatience who forced Abraham to sleep with their CONCUBINE.

Isaac is the covenant child that God promised Abraham whom he had with SARAH his WIFE.

Ishmael's birth was a generational mistake. Just as bad as Adam's transgression.
And his seed has been an evil thorn in Isaac's flesh till today. When Israel sinned, God allowed their enemies including Ishmelites (Philistians, Moabites, hivites etc) to afflict and enslave them.
But whenever the Israelites repented from their sins, God raised a leader/prophet to lead Israel to destroy their enemies and obtain their freedom from slavery

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ahmedio2017:




That's why I said you lack understanding bro... You have a lot to learn and unlearn honestly....

Now let me come down to your level...

God have only one religion (ISLAM) which simply means submission to the will of God.
Now there are numerous laws, guidance and constitutions which is known as books of God. What are these books TORAH and injeel, and Quran....

All the prophets of God are all Muslims, they all preaches oneness of God. They all have the same mission but with different laws and dimensions that's why there is always amendment. Understood?
Before Moses there were prophets of God before him isn't it?

Now when the Jesus Christ PBUH came what did he said?

He said I didn't come to ABOLISHED the LAWS but to AMEND it..... Each prophets of God came with AMENDMENT the last prophet which is Muhammad s.a.w was the one who perfected the religion of God (ISLAM) no more prophet.......

Now it is hypocrisy that is affecting you guys why did you believed in Jesus and refuse Muhammad? Did you met anyone of them? Is it not what they have been telling you about those prophet that you believed? Why not make a thorough research about Christianity and ISLAM....

God or Jesus didn't recognize Christianity it is a religion of Man (Paul) and not Jesus or God... Did Jesus made mention of anything Christianity? Or Trinity? You have to ask yourself a lot of fundamental questions....

Jesus never said he came to amend the Law.
He came to FULFILL IT.

He came to fulfil Isaiah 51 which prophesied about the Messiah offering himself as a sacrifice for the sins of God's people. Isn't it written?

Atonement of sins by blood is enshrined in Moses Law, the constitution of God. It cannot be changed

Quran/Islam has no regard for this.

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Moreover, anyone can claim that they serve one God.
It could be idolaterers or satanists.

Eventhough Jews say they serve on one God but you Muslims want to kill them all. Not only to take the credit of their forefathers but takeover the promised land (Jerusalem) that God gave them for inheritance.

Check in Jewish history, no Arab prophet was sent. Because none of them are from God. They're all false.
And that Mohammed is prophesied in the bible is an absolute forged lie, no bible theologian can agree with.

Oghene86:


If this was done against the Moslem, by now we will be counting the numbers of dead people.

Religionofpeace.com as they say

"The bronze was as if it burned in a furnace"

And possibly explain of it's a past tense, present tense or present continous tense etc.

Dsimmer:


It wasn't stated that it was "burning" but "burned in a furnace" which was to describe how the brass looked. Go get a brain if you can't understand simple statement. Same was also stated in Daniel where it was stated that his feet and arms looked like burnished bronze.

I don't even know why you're crying with your head in the mud despite several facts in your face.

You saw the fact that Jesus' parents hid him in the previously old black Egypt country.

Or the fact that people regarded the Hebrews as Egyptians because they looked like the Egyptians.

Heck, the old drawing pictures of the
Hebrews recently unearthed are all blacks.

Meanwhile, you can see the old terracotta heads of the Hebrews.

All these are several facts. Meanwhile, the first human is a black man.

So what gibberish are you wailing about exactly? You dey craze? I deal in facts, not in stupidity.

I know. You are obsessed.
And therefore you can't reason straight.

It doesn't change the meaning of the sentence.

It doesn't says "as if it had burned in a furnace" or "as if it was burned in a furnace" or "as if it was burnt.."

The book of Danial says polished Brass.
The brass of the angel in Book of Daniel is different from the brass of Revelation.

Just like a cooled metal is different in color from a hot metal being refined.

Also looked at this website. People who deal in burnished brass.

https://blog.furnitureguild.com/burnished-brass/

https://rawurth.com/product/burnished-brass/

Only Begotten means Jesus came out from God.

" I came out from God neither came I by my self but he sent me"

"His name is the Word of God." Revelation 19:9

Dsimmer:


Na you no get comprehension na. I simply told you same which is actually the truth. Simple as ABC. So why are you wailing?

Brass which had been burned in a furnace is simply to describe how the brass looked. Same was described about the Messiah in Daniel scripture and was even described as a burnished bronze.

You can't even answer simple question in light of question asked. Or you don't know the meaning of "Paraphrase". See you talking about comprehension.


Let me paraphrase "as if it burned in a furnace".

Answer: as if it was burning in a furnace.

Rock, metal is color BLACK. But when it burns in furnace or under extreme heat, it's color is bright RED or ORANGE.

Lava or magma is bright red. But when it cools becomes a very black rock.

Furnace is extreme hotness. It says his legs looks like brass that is in extreme heat/fire

And that complements his countenance which is like the Sun. And his head and hair which are white.
Black is not a complement. Infact it is odd.

Dsimmer:


Na you no Sabi comprehension. It was describing how the brass looked. A Burnished brass! Same was described in Daniel scripture when the Messiah was described.

You dey craze?

Simple question, you wan turn am to fight.

Paraphrase "as if it burned in a furnace"

Dsimmer:


You're still crying despite facts displayed in your face?


"His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters". Revelation 1:14-15

Isn't his head supposed to be black?

Have you seen a black man with a white head before?
I've never seen one. I'd like to see one. That is differently rarer than albino species.

"as if they burned in a furnace".

Guy no sabi English oo.
Can you rephrase this sentence please.

Dsimmer:


You're still wailing when the scriptures stated that Jesus was a black man. His feet and arms were described as brass which have been burnt in fire. Brass itself is dark brown in colour, now imagine after it had been burnt in fire?

The scriptures says his face shone as touchlight/sun/fire. God is often described as an embodiment of light or fire to begin with.

In his appearance, his head has a woolen hair while his face/eyes shone as touchlight or fire. His feet and legs looked like brass which had been burnt in fire! That's a black man appearance.

What bible version are you using?

I'd like to see where it says "burnt brass" or "had been burnt in fire.".

There's a big difference between a burning metal and a burnt metal.
It's like night and day.

Dsimmer:


You've seen the terracotta depicting the Hebrew while they were in Egypt.

In the scripture, He was described with woolen hair, burnished brass arms and feets. That's typical black man features.

So we should look on terracotta as accurate despicton of Jewish history?
What if it's creator or ruler at the time had mischievous intent??
Because the enemies of Israel had always sought to expel Israel out of their land, even Jerusalem.

You are quoting Revelation 1:14-16
It says his HEAD is white? That's not just his hair.

It never said about arms. That's you.

Do you even know the color of brass when it burns in the fire? It's the color of the Sun.

What color do you see when an ordinary metal rod is "RED" hot?
Black or red?

HazardAwka:
Imagine someone that says a few word and the world came into existence. He punished Sodom, punished Adam and man for their sins and you think he will make himself human to come and die and be mocked by his creation.
Enough said!!!

That you quote the bible doesn't mean you know it. He came to pay the price of sin which is eternal death.

Isaiah 9:6 states, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." This verse foretells the coming of the Messiah, who will be responsible for leading the people and will be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, and Prince of Peace."

1 Corinthians 2:8 "Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory."

Philippians 2:6 "Who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equal with God but made himself of no reputation. And took upon himself the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men.".
{Isaiah 51, Isaiah 51, Isaiah 51}

Revelation 5:5,12 "Saying worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches and wisdom and strength and honour and glory and blessing............"